Look at the comments on this video https://www.youtube.com/

>>8887108
Literally go to the tallest building near you and look out at the curvature yourself.

The sun doesn't look like it's millions of miles away to me, just sayin!

What's the source of this culture of stupidity? Is it by design? Are we being unknowingly groomed to be as dumb as possible?

>>8887134
part of it is the stupidity of US public education that generally values obedience over critical thinking. It's like how Trump got away with his 'fake news' meme because people sensed subconsciously that corporate media was all bullshit but the conscious part of his followers thought the facts of say CNN were BS rather than the presentation.

>>8887166
that's clearly a fisheye lens

>>8887134
Yes.
>>8887156
It's not only in the states, flat earthers are everywhere.

>>8887166
>Literally go to the tallest building near you and look out at the curvature yourself.
>name-calling

>>8887166
2/10

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>>8887166

>just name-calling
>Globefags are actually braindead.

>>8887166

Yeah good argument

>>8887382
The only thing worse than believing what you're told is not believing what you're told because you're an edgy contrarian retard.

>>8887382

You can literally buy a telescope (or alternatively look up youtube videos of normal people using them) and you can see that the planets are clearly, obviously spheres. They're not just luminaries in the sky like Eric Dubay will try to argue. If all the other planets are round, isn't it just logical that our Earth would also be round?

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>>8887437
>clearly, obviously spheres
but this is clearly a big flat circle

>>8887442

You don't need to rely on NASA pictures to believe the Earth is round. Look up pictures of Saturn taken by average layman with good telescopes. You can clearly see the shadow that Saturn throws on its ring. If the Flat Earth model is correct and the Sun travels over the disk of the flat earth and its supposedly limited light range accounting for the day/night cycle, then what is Saturn being illuminated by that causes it to throw a shadow?

>>8887108
How is this possible though?

reminder that the people making anti-flat earth threads are the same people making pro-flat earth posts

>flat as fuck , this will come out soon I'm sure, at my daughters school one of her teachers has told them to research Flat Earth and told them its not as crazy as it sounds! how cool is that !!

fug

>>8887452

I hope this is a troll because this argument makes no fucking sense.

>>8887108
For balance and luls god created Smart people and stupid people. Internet just gave them a voice

it's shit like this that reminds me to not take anybody or anything too seriously
i'm not sure how you could take these people seriously without getting depressed

The Earth is a spectrum.

>>8887134
It's a certain type of person that has no capacity to discriminate information rationally, they rely on pattern recognition and emotional whims. The pattern in this case: lying gov/figures of authority has become so pervasive they are unable to accept it and instead lean towards their emotional desires.

>>8887156
Trump wasn't the one who started the fake news phrase

I hate to break this to you fags, but..
>the Earth only seems flat because it is so large that it can only seem as such. If the Earth is flat why is there not a sudden and dramatic shift when a plane crosses the edge to the other side of the planet?
>humanity is fucking doomed to learn backwards thanks to mass media.

>>8887462
How do you know this?

This meme is like half a year old and I still can't tell if it's a joke or not

>>8887894

He seems like he's not joking. Here's a video he made called "200 proofs that Earth is not a spinning ball"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5i_iDyUTCg

And here he is being interviewed by some Mexican conspiracy theory radio host

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wznf3k57fA

>>8887894

It started as a joke but it evolved into actual conspiracy. I know a few people irl who actually believe it.

I see why flat earthers and others of their kind find it so appealing to flirt with 'theories' and conspiracies as such.

Three reasons: they got a whiff of the epistemic limits of the scientific method, they're sceptical and lastly, they're dumb, or not very thorough at the least.

The limits of the scientific method are twofold in that they are predicated on the limits of our senses (empirical) and the limits of our cognition which can only be logical(causal).

Flat earthers are right when they say for instance - the theory of gravitation is not a fact. It is an explanatory model, but it is perfectly imaginable that it could have theoretical implications that are denied by empirical truths yet to be observed. If we do uncover them, we'd have to refine the theory so that it is congruent with those non-local truths. This is how theories work. They are mere explanatory models devoid of internal and external contradictions, but subject to change.

This is how their whole thing is validated: theoretical limits. Where they go wrong is embracing unproven conspiracies to prove their point. But say you agree to debate a person like this, embrace their conspiracies and leave all photographic and experiential accounts out of the conversation. What they do is, instead of coming up with a unified theory that supports their model of Earth and isn't invalidated by the rest of the Universe, they come up with explanations for local objects, which ultimately contradict eachother, or are invalidated by non-local truths.

Ultimately, the only way you can convince such a person is by sending them into the fucking exosphere, or actually putting them on a plane that circumnavigates the earth both from N to S and from E to W.

>>8887694
He probably meant "alternative facts"

>>8887108
If the earth is flat, how come I saw different constellations when I went to the southern hemisphere?

>>8888134
Have fun explaining startrails' motion.
Have fun explaining gravity and strength of materials
Have fun explaining seismic waves propagation

>>8888141

I think what they say is that the stars are much closer to Earth than people believe, so when you move to a different part of the disk you're seeing different stars

>>8888160
Okay that makes some sense. But there is one flaw to that argument. In the northern hemisphere, the sky rotates about the north star polaris. This makes sense because the north pole is the center of the disk. So as you move further south towards the edge of the disk, the sky will appear to be rotating less and less around a point and just be moving across the sky (as one would view from the equator). But in the southern hemisphere the stars revolved around a single point in the sky. How does a flat earth explain this?

>>8888191
You can also notice that the stars rotate counterclockwise from our point of view in the north regions, and clockwise from the point of view of a southern citizen.
The proof for a geodesic earth is literally an hour away from you

I used to think flat earth was as crazy as anyone else does, but holy shit. To say there are suspicious elements to the sphere story is putting it lightly. I just cannot for the life of me fathom why a government, ANY government, would try to trick its people about something so odd.

if the earth is a disk, why are the effects of seasons on the length of daytime more pronounced near the poles? checkmate flatties

>>8887894
poe's law
also
>"Acting like retards brings in actual retards who think they're etc etc"

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Are there people who really believe the earth is flat? No memes please.

What would one gain from the earth being round?
This sounds retarded, even the faggots who claim "Big Pharma has all the cures they're just hiding it!" have a plausible reason as to why. (even if they are flat out wrong)

>>8888281
Big Pharma may not have all the cures but that doesn't mean they can charge $500 per month for insulin and lobby to keep weed illegal.

>rockets are supposed to be tightly closed tin cans to prevent the air from being sucked out in space because that's what space does to air
>meanwhile the earth is a naked ball of rock yet we still aren't suffocating
Someone's either lying about what the earth is, or about space. Probably both.

It's sad that people have become so distrustful that this kind of nonsense catches on. It really seems like it got into full swing around '03 with the 9/11 Truther movement.

Sadly it's not all that illogical either, if it wasn't due to people in high levels of power acting in conspiratorial manners, the trust wouldn't be lost to this extent.

Yes, various people did various shady things at various levels of govt over the last century. BUT that doesn't mean the earth is flat or reptile aliens are controlling your mind.

>>8888325
Low quality bait.

The earth has immense gravity compared to a fucking space ship..

>>8887452
yeah because flat circles cast shadows too

>>8887128
This optical illusion is caused by gravity bending light. Far away objects appear lower than they really are because the light hasn't traveled in a straight line to you.

Round earthers aren't exactly stupid. They understand Newtonian mechanics, they just don't understand relativity.

>>8888622
what's the metric for a flat earth?

This flat earth thing has really just made my life so much more interesting. I know have several friends on Facebook who buy into this. Mind you none of them have anything beyond a high school diploma or ged. The desire to explain away phenomenon with a flat earth is just a truly amazing thing to me.

>>8888622
You almost sound like you know what you're talking about but earth's gravitational field can only bend light by a faction of a millionth of a degree. Temperature differentials alone cause light to "curve" by many many orders of magnitude more and by "curve" I mean it still travels in straight lines but chooses to move in faster mediums for as long as it can.

>>8888622

>This optical illusion is caused by gravity bending light.

I thought flat earthers didn't believe in gravity.

>>8888280

I think it's mostly people either trolling and/or they're so mistrustful of the "establishment" or "mainstream media" or whatever that they just go along with any conspiracy theory (like black people who say mozart was black and shit like that)

If Earth is a flat disk, then the Equator is a 2-dimensional circle. But to travel along the equator all you have to do is go straight forward the whole time. How do the flat people explain this?

>>8888031
...or by beating the ever-living shit out of them to near death. That really does the trick and is the cheapest solution.

>>8889148
>"Have YOU ever actually TRIED to walk around the equator?"

Probably something like this. All conspiratards are the same. If your fundamentals are sound you can spot the places where the arguments for shit like flat earthism and holocaust denial are written in on the same template.

>>8887166
Arguing with creationists and flat-earthers just gives them the attn they crave.

have you actually *tried* to measure the shadow cast by a tall object at two different locations on the earth at different times?

hah thought not
truthers 1
ballcucks 0

>>8887108
Mfw every celestial object is flat.
The sun is flat, earth flat, moon flat, everything flat. A whole bunch of celestial objects looking like paper rotating around other paper like object . Mfw imagining this looks so fucking retarded.

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>>8887108
back to pol you scientifically illiterate retard we don't need you shitting up this board with your autistic shitposting

>>8887131
kek, reminds me of "small, far away" from Father Ted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFTgkibl7DU

>>8889390

You know I'm not the guy who made this video, right?

>>8887894
A lot of them are religious, apparentlly it's an overly- literalistic interpretation of the bible

>>8889143
They usually say that gravity doesn't exist, and the effect is caused by the earth steadily accelerating upwards.

They never explain where the power for acceleration comes from. Furthermore it can't explain gravitational anomalies.

>>8889904
I don't see that anywhere.

>>8891439
Look at the Youtube videos espousing flat earth.

>>8887108
>Another shitty flat earth thread
>>>/x/

>>8891412
Round Earthers never explain where the energy for gravity comes from.

>>8887593
kek

>>8888637
The taxicab metric

>>8888223
That is the least of the issues. Another issue is that it means EVERY government, EVERY airline (down to the flight attendents, and EVERY scientist is lying to you. Just to send money to NASA for gifts.

>>8892314
Gravity is a property of mass. Therefore its energy comes from the mass of objects.

For constant acceleration you would need a continuous supply of energy for thrust.

>>8888622
>They just don't understand relativity

Then how the fuck does the earth bend light?

>>8893034
Gravity, same way it pulls you

>>8892314
Gravitons

>>8893036
Then why can't I just reach out and grab light?

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>>8887108
leave it be, OP
this people here cannot be reasoned with, they will fight tooth and nail for their delusions

>>8888622
>This optical illusion is caused by gravity bending light. Far away objects appear lower than they really are because the light hasn't traveled in a straight line to you.

Actually gravitational bending of light would have the opposite effect (if it were detectable). Downward-bending light would make a flat earth appear slightly concave.

On a spherical planet, it would make it look slightly _less_ curved, not more.

If the Earth is flat why are there mountains?

>>8887156
> trump started fake news
> cnn had facts

>>8887156
>the facts of CNN
top kek

>>8887621
This. Its often far easier to have a very simple world view such as "everything the state says is a lie" rather than "many things the state says is lies, however there are also fundamental truths that no one is trying to hide and it up to us and our own rational judgement to figure out truth from fabrication."
Its a lot easier just to believe the opposite of what the mainstream tells you than it is to judge each dogma on its own.

>>8893034
Space-time curvature. Light has no mass but it follows the geodesic.

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>>8887156
CNN never had facts mate

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>>8888280
I think flat earthers showcase quite elaborately how you can build a pretty convincing lie by simple trial and error.
People saying that the earth is flat have been around for years and years, but in the early days
their arguments were pretty weak and everone saw through their act immediately.
Over the years they have dropped the arguments that were easily disproven or dismissed and focused on the ones that force people out of
their comfort zone, easily baffle them, or just require lengthy explanations to be proven wrong.
Over time they have gotten so good, that people who weren't around to see how retarded their first steps were can be
convinced that there are actual people who believe in flat earth.

I think it's mostly because your average normie can't disprove an experienced flat earth theorist.
They can't just summon perfect counter-arguments out of their ass if they don't do some research first, so they
have to resort to simply trusting that what they've been told since they were children is correct.

This curvature thing is a prime example of an argument that's designed to baffle people.
Every time there'll be someone telling about camera lenses but a flat-earther just needs to go
>camera lenses
with a smug anime girl attached, and suddenly for someone who isn't proficient with how cameras or their lenses work, neither argument is better
than the other. Not when looked at in a vacuum where there is no prior assumption that the earth indeed is round.
In the end most people can only trust in what they think is closer to truth, and while basically everything is built on trust and assumptions
it's pretty irritating when it comes to play this close to the argument. It makes you unable to completely trust either side.

You could resolve the situation by doing some research and understand how things actually do make more sense when earth is round but let's face it; You won't do that.

>>8892346

A tenet of Scientism is that lying is an integral part of institutions...

>>8895789

You first paragraph describes how everything we "know" about "reality" came to be, including the shape of the Earth, be in spherical or flat. The only criterion that has even favored one explanation over an other being Human power and desire.

The shape of the Earth is a meaningless formality but it being flat is no more far-fetched than water being dynamic. Both contradict Empirical data gathered from a far enough vantage point, despite being obvious to our felt experience, and both can be "debunked" by minimal hand-waving, i.e. shifting patters in water are caused by light refraction and do not indicate movement of any sort.

>>8895836
What is the basis of your assertion?

>>8895789
I wonder whether the Constanza meme then was as big as Pepe meme now ...

>>8895836
Yeah, and unconditional love is a central tenet of Christianity. That doesn't mean every Christian practices unconditional love all the time.

By the same token, not ever scientist would lie all the time.

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>>8887134
>What's the source of this culture of stupidity?
I'm pretty sure flat-earth started out a s a troll, and I'm slightly less certain most flat-earthers are still trolls.

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>>8887168
>flat earthers are everywhere.

>>8887128
>>8887134
>>8887156
>>8887437
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>>8887573
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>>8888031
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>>8888281
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>>8895789
>How crazy do you have to be to support the flat earth theory!! Seriously just don't question anything!!
$0.02 deposited into your account

>>8897024
Dude... nobody here's buying your bullshit.

>>8896443
There are a lot of cultish crazies following flat the earth meme.

Eric Dubay has a decent following
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2016/01/1565-eric-dubay.html

>>8896446
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>8897024
>How much of a shill do you have to be not to support the flat earth theory!! Seriously just don't question anything!!

>>8898845
Strawman

>>8887108
>"How high do you need to be to see the curve xD?!?!"
How high do you need to be to see the edge of the earth?
If the earth was flat wouldn't I be able to see skyscrapers in China from The united states?
Why is it even on terrain such as the open ocean where there are no obstructions for hundreds or thousands of miles the horizon falls only a few miles from where I am?
If the world is flat why is circumnavigation possible?
If the sky is a glass dome surrounded by water and rain is water leaking in through the dome why is it not always raining?
If the earth is surrounded by a wall of ice why do you not reach icy waters when traveling east or west along the equator?
Why is it that flat earth theorists despite claiming to be scientists never utilize simple and repeatable experiments to test their hypothesis?

>>8888280
I like to think that flat earthers were originally moon landing conspiracy theorists that had nowhere to go after having multiple countries confirmed the Apollo landings happened other than doubling down and claiming space itself was a hoax.

>>8898898
faggotman

In all honesty, I don't think I've ever actually seen the horizon. I mean, I have seen rolling hills but never have I witnessed the actual horizon. And this video went for miles and I still can't see the horizon. I don't know maybe the Earth IS flat. How could I really know?

>>8888031
>Ultimately, the only way you can convince such a person is by sending them into the fucking exosphere, or actually putting them on a plane that circumnavigates the earth both from N to S and from E to W.
That's my plan, ever since I was a child I dreamed of going into space. My goal is to become the most obnoxious flat Earther in existence so that rich people will pay just to send me to space so they can convince me the Earth is round. It's a fucking genius plot.

>>8887108
>tfw i liked the train part

>>8899827
>never have I witnessed the actual horizon.
Have you not been to the ocean or a very large lake / sea?

>this video went for miles
What video was that?

>>8887108
>flat earthers call people that believe in a round earth balltards

Holy fuck I actually squeezed out a tear laughing.

>flat as fuck , this will come out soon I'm sure, at my daughters school one of her teachers has told them to research Flat Earth and told them its not as crazy as it sounds! how cool is that !!
This made me angry. Adults being retarded is their own business, but forcing children to also be retarded should be a crime.

>>8899827
If you see the video, the lens fucks up the perspective, look at the bottom of the vid

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>>8887108
This trolling is so last year. I'm waiting for something fresh that'll get memed.
Earth is a pretzel and ice caps are made of sugar?
White people are from Mars, invaded Earth thousand years ago and Elon is directing second wave?
We exist in the mind of the frozen Walt Disney?
If at any moment there will not be at least a single soul praying to christian god, the sky will collapse?
USA needs to sacrifice at least one third-world nation every year or economy will get angry and 2008?

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>>8901738
>USA needs to sacrifice at least one third-world nation every year or economy will get angry and 2008?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgY8zNZ35uw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeMooNFtFJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAmk660CWB4
>Flattards
>Globetards
We've got ad hominem from both sides of the argument.

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>>8901759
>People actually think that Antaractia is a giant ice wall surrounding the earth

>>8900140
it's no different than forcing religious beliefs on them

>>8901768
>Antarctica is a giant ice wall
I think most of them gave up on that once it was pointed out that tourists go there all the time via commercial travel organizations.

>>8901759
>ad hominem
Can we all agree to stop overusing this term please?

>>8901759
>I am too retarded to distinguish insult-laced replies, plain insults, and ad-hominem fallacies

I thought you guys were better than this. They are clearly baiting, at least most of them are

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>>8899827
>this video went for miles and I still can't see the horizon
You're talking about OP's video? The whole point is to show the visible horizon.

You realize the definition is the place where the sky appears to meet the ground?

>>8887108
>balltards
comedy gold

>>8887108
Lol, thanks for kicking me out of the fantasy world I was in. Turns out this stuff doesn't just happen to me.
Which means that I have to confront the reality where there's no meaning and I'm disabled.

>>8889390
It's usually the normies who shit /sci/ up with flat Earth and Barnett integrals bullshit, though

>>8887108
>they're all americans
surprise surprise

>>8889390
you just can't stop these flat earther SJWtards

>>8888622
Fuck off with this copypasta

>>8901759
Neither of those are adhom if they weren't the argument in it's entirety.

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>>8903282
if earth isn't flat how come there are no dinosaurs then?

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>>8904824
seems like my factual observation ruffled some feathers

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The music and scenery with the train rolling through the greenery is nice, I guess flat earthers really are correct huh

>>8904989
Why did you post a picture of that Robert Goddard copycat and wannabe

>>8904818
can i send u nudes

while being a sphere cultist myself and being very skeptical of the flat earth theory, i have to admit there's no proof as of yet that earth is a ball, the issue is unresolved and at this point it's just a matter of faith really

>>8905924
>the issue is unresolved and at this point it's just a matter of faith really
It's been resolved for thousands of years.

It's true that many people may uncritically accept the spherical earth model without closely examining it, but all observable evidence points to the standard model being correct.

"Faith" involves clinging to a belief without any significant evidence, and despite all disconfirming evidence.

The flat-earth meme is just a psyop to discredit people who are curious as to why there are no photos from the supposed thousands of satellites circling Earth.

Why can I only find CGI pictures of the Earth?

It's probably just government incompetence but it's weird af.

>>8907918
There are plenty of real images of earth, but you flat-earthers (and related conspirasts) reflexively label everything as CGI.

>>8907918
>people who are curious as to why there are no photos from the supposed thousands of satellites circling Earth.
Those people must REALLY suck at using search engines.

>Why can I only find CGI pictures of the Earth?
Have you even looked?

>>8905924
>no proof
You can literally get on a plane and go around the entirety of the world.

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>>8907988
>>8907992
Every body relax, I found some pictures taken with a camera.

https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/

Now that I have posted this, flat-Earthers can see and BEHOLD, our planet known as "THE EARTH.

>These images were created using the bands from EPIC that are within the human visual range. They have been color and brightness adjusted to represent what a conventional camera would produce.

pic related
>Note that the natural color imagery was fully reprocessed earlier this year, resulting in a new collection of imagery. The filenames and timestamps for those images have changed as well to reflect the difference in processing. The new processing has allowed for an expansion of available imagery as well. Updated lists of available images and file names can be retrieved using the EPIC API.

>>8908025
you can travel in a circle on a plane too

>>8908030
as you can see it's a flat disc

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>>8908033
If you're convinced that the pilot is making subtle turns to trick you, then get your own plane and fly in one direction to see at what point the earth disappears from underneath you.

>>8908038
Where are the other continemps?

>>8908038
Impossible to say based on 2D photography (obviously)

The point is space is real and that is a fact.

>>8908030
fake and gay

>>8908030
>>8908038
>Aerial perspective
>Foreshortening
>Only 1 hemisphere visible

>>8893705
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>>8894989
you stupid fucking idiots, you willingly accepted this brainwashing because you didn't want your feelings hurt by reality anymore