1.Did we invent or discover math? 2.Are numbers objectively real

1. Yes
2. Objectively real
3. Ideally
4. Yes

>did we invent or discover math
Consider that math is a tool to describe the universe, not unlike a language.
Would you ask the question "are words invented or discovered?"

>>8828402
Yes.
Words are invent.

>>8828397
>1.Did we invent or discover math?
invent
>2.Are numbers objectively real or just a social construct?
construct
>3.Is math just applied logic?
yes
>4.Does infinity exist?
empirical question.

>>8828403
Then surely you would agree with
1. Languages are invented
2. Math is like a language
3. Math is invented

>>8828409
I guess it's obvious now.
Math is indeed an invented discipline, it's just something we decided to agree upon, it has nothing to do with reality.

>>8828409
If there are a finite number of sounds the human vocal apparatus can make, and a finite number of combinations of them, then one could make the argument languages are discovered.

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>>8828417
spoken languages aren't the only languages

>>8828397
>1.Did we invent or discover math?
Invent, because mathematics is a tool to measure and model the physical world.
>2.Are numbers objectively real or just a social construct?
They arise from physical properties, but are concepts.
>3.Is math just applied logic?
It should be.
>4.Does infinity exist?
In a sense.

>>8828413
What're you on about?
Mathematics is:
>A tool to measure and model reality.
You're a fucking moron. :^D

We discovered math, but we invented numbers and symbols to understand them

>>8828397

Do you like Greek tragedy, OP? Some Shakespeare?

>>8828440

Ah I like this answer

>>8828397
>1.Did we invent or discover math?
The underlying truths are discovered, the frameworks and notation invented.
>2.Are numbers objectively real or just a social construct?
The Ideas of numbers are objectively real.
>3.Is math just applied logic?
Probably yes.
>4.Does infinity exist?
Yes. Just like numbers do.

>>8828397
1. We invent math it doesn't exist outside of the mind
2. Depends on how you define reality. When I say this object is one of something is it real to you or not? I would say it's a model that doesn't exist outside of the mind
3. You define axioms and say this is the basis of logic. I don't think applied logic means anything anyway
4. Yes, the reality comes from some set that contains everything that is and can be.

When I say something doesn't exist outside of the mind I am not saying it doesn't exist since our mind is a part of reality so everything you think of is contained in reality so it is real but it isn't really useful to say everything exists since you can think of it. I mean you can't really prove something even exist outside of your mind since you can't be really objective on that matter and nobody can. So when you say something doesn't exist or does exist it's just your opinion and any attempt to be objective goes in vain.

Infinity exists in lots of places. Examples:

1) Gravity inside blackhole
2) Size of the universe at infinite time
3) Infinite time aka duration of eternity

There are surely more infinities. Most likely even our consciousness might be an infinity at a higher dimensional plane.

Anyone who says math is discovered or invented is a fucking moron and has read too much pop science.

Math is derived from axioms. Some of it is invented, and some of it is discovered, but it's stupid to say that math as a whole was simply discovered or invented.

>>8828397
>>2.Are numbers objectively real or just a social construct?
define objective

>>8830317
>Math is derived from axioms. Some of it is invented, and some of it is discovered, but it's stupid to say that math as a whole was simply discovered or invented.


t undergrad

>>8829173
>The underlying truths are discovered
not relevant
>The Ideas of numbers are objectively real.
the idea of god is objectively real

>>8830317
>Math is derived from axioms.
religion is derived from axioms

>>8828397
"math" was invented, just as pencils were invented to draw

numbers are an abstract model used to describe reality

math is more of a philosophical thing, though it can be used in a logical sense eg. to create repeated predicted steps

infinity does exist and is the threshold of perception in this dimension