>billions of stars >billions of galaxies >we'll

>>8790009
even if we make the Alcubrie Drive work. It is still too slow to get us more than 100 light years with out having to be a generation ship.

we're stuck in this tiny area of the galaxy.

>>8790976
Relativity. People onside the ship will be able to go everywhere.

>>8790009
As it should be? What, you don't think you were made to live and die toiling on this third stone from the sun?

>>8790976
Einstein-Rosen bridges stabilised by the exotic matter from a Casimir effect.

You're connecting point A and B without having to go through C (space).

The Alcubierre drive would be for local interstellar travel between neighbouring solar systems.

One of the few questions I hope you get answered after you die is why the fuck did the universe need to be so damn huge.

>>8791003
>made for specific purpose
Buddy, the universe isn't sentient.

How to spot a douche: Says "Einstein-Rosen-Bridge" instead of wormhole.

>>8791016
Conjecture, offered without proof.

>>8791019
He COULD be an Asgardian.

>>8791019
>>8791027
Not an argument.

There hasn't even been a Moon landing since 1972.

There's still software like Space Engine and Celestia though.

>>8790996
This.

Travel fast enough and you can get anywhere in your lifetime. Everyone not on the ship will be long dead, but hey, you'll make it.

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>>8790976
>Alcubierre drive
meh

Is anyone watching stargazing live? It's pretty comfy

>>8791223
No, but isn't how physics works that in space the more fuel you shoot the faster you go? So couldn't we hit lightspeed or go even faster than that? I'm confused honestly

>>8790009
We gonna get dat life extension technology and upload our brains to cyborg bodies, OP, then we'll explore that shit.

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>>8791226
>more fuel
exponentially sized tank and fuel, and hence mass to accelerate

>faster you go
as you approach c, unfortunately mass increases too

it seems you can't win

friendly reminder they have already discovered life on other planets but NASA and the government won't tell you

>>8791251
ROLLING AROUND AT THE SPEED OF SOUND

>>8791251
What about sucking hydrogen from space (electrostatic ion scoop)?

>>8790009


Even by the off one and a billion chance we find a planet with breathable atmosphere, livable gravity, and develop a means to get there successfully; the entire crew will most likely end up dying within 5 years of arriving from some alien virus or microorganism.

>>8791532
Serious possibility. That's why it would be good to probe the planet to see what kind of life is there, and if it's hospitable with that in consideration.

>>8791532
by the time we can actually travel to distant worlds, viruses and bacteria will not stand a chance vs the nanobots defending our bodies.

>>8791016
>Buddy, the universe isn't sentient.
How are you so sure about this?

>>8791553
>Universe memeing it's self

>>8791555
Why not?

>>8791553
It requires fewer assumptions to form the view based on the data available that the universe is not sentient. It is not directly falsifiable either way, so the question makes little sense.

>>8791586
Very hard to answer concretely, we don't even fully understand what sentience is, or if we ourselves are even truly sentient.

>>8791588
Sentience is a human idea: sentience is as we define it to be, and we are sentient if we fit that description.

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>>8790009
That's why we need to extend our lifespan.

>>8791671
Would be cool, but would come with its own problems

>>8790009
99.999999% of those stars / planets would be totally useless and dull
Think about no man's sky or any game that procedurally generates galaxies : most of them are just not interesting

>>8791677
Yeah, but you can say the same about literally every other piece of technology.

Or social movement, or any change.

It is definitely worth pursuing.

>>8791677
>Would be cool, but would come with its own problems

life.txt

>>8791251
Convert the ship/cargo/crew into photons, duh?

>>8791279
Do you have any proof?

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>>8790009
>not living a healthy lifestyle so you can live as long as possible
>not living until we can extend our lifespans
>not living in your extended lifespan until we can extend it more
>
>not living until space travel is common

>>8790009
>>we'll never encounter them in our lifetime

maybe you won't, pleb

it's like people think they know the future or something

remember when almost every faggot thought that in the 21st century there were going to be flying cars and shit?

it'd be nice if people would stop making terrible assumptions with our current understanding of science as if humanity KNOWS that it's anywhere close to the truth of reality

cynical memeposts are too easy to make these days

but maybe cynic memeism has always been the easy intellectual scapegoat

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>>8790009
You see anon, that's where relativity comes in. If you get up to relativisitic speeds, time appears to pass slower to an external observer. You might be able to see the stars, it's just that by the time you get there everyone and everything you know and love might be dead by the time you get there.

Imagine getting to the stars only to find that anime has been dead for 10,000 years

>>8790009
who cares. The vast majority of them have nothing for us. Even our own solar system is mostly shit.

Would you like to visit Jupiter? Plummet into a big ball of dense gas that has nowhere for you to "land" because it's literally a ball of gas whose gravity would crush you?

How about Mercury? Want to burn to death in hell?

>>8792100
Most Earthlike planets out there could be uninhabitable for people.

>temperature near boiling and too much air pressure
>temperature like Antarctica and too little atmosphere
>planet spins too fast and hurricane-like winds all the time
>planet is tidally locked with an arctic-like night side and a mostly torrid day side

>>8792494

You could probably still build artificial habitats on most of them.

>>8792559
True. If the climate isn't _too_ different, a good shelter could make it comfy.

There's also terraforming -- assuming it works.

Maybe any spacefaring aliens out there live in space colonies instead of on planets, given how few planets would be like their homeworlds, and the relative ease of building a spacecraft as opposed to working with an entire planet.

>>8792494
That doesn't meet the definition of earthlike.
>>8792559
Then why even go to an earthlike planet?

>>8792576
By "earthlike," I meant it more broadly -- oxygen atmosphere and liquid water on the surface.

>>8792583
And how the shit do you get a planet with oxygen?

>>8792611
Just because humans can't survive in an environment doesn't mean other life can't.

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>>8790996
>>8791040
*blocks your path*

>>8792559
yeah and then you and your wreched ilk can get the fuck off my planet and go live on an artificial habitat

>>8791285
GOT PLACES TO GO, GOTTA FOLLOW MY RAINBOW

>>8792637
Oh ok, so you want to play alien invader then? Go find some earthlike planets with oxygen and life on them and break every single rule of planetary protection. Hell why not even enslave the natives while you're at it?

If humanity does this, we don't deserve the stars

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>>8792649
Fuck stem anyways

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we're gonna need fusion if we wanna do ANYof this.

get that first, then come back to me about warp drives.

>>8790976
>even if we make the Alcubrie Drive work. It is still too slow to
What is the max speed? I thought it was FTL.

>>8792904
It's slower than light but it bends space with magic so you travel FTL without actually traveling FTL

>>8790009
>in our lifetime
I think you mean in our entire existence. Our species will be long dead before we can even travel somewhat near another star.

>>8792649
*teleports behind you*

>>8790009
You'll never fully explore one planet in your lifetime.

>>8792067
The whole idea of time being variable melts my mind. Like, I simply can't fathom the idea of it and what it entails. It sounds straight out of science fiction bullshit.

>tfw brainlet

>>8792924
I know how the idea works. It is the same as Star Trek. But if it is FTL, then it isn't too slow.

>>8791698
>comparing life to no man's sky
life is nowhere near as shit as that garbage
also interest is relative and just because they are boring doesn't we can't makem interesting

>>8791698
If you have this frame of mind then you belong firmly on this rock. I sure as shit wouldn't find 99.999999% of the universe to be dull. In fact i'd happily give my life just to be able to explore any semi survivable planet outside our own solar system, and would gouge my own eyeballs out with rusty spoons if I could travel through space and just look at shit until I get old and die (provided I could somehow still see without eyes and ideally have some sort of technology to go with that speed which would stop be driving straight into a black hole like a retard)

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>>8791698

There are, and I'm not exaggerating here, over 100 billion planets in the Milky Way alone. Just from probability I guarantee there are a few hundred or maybe even thousand in our galaxy as nice or nicer than Earth in terms of comfiness for humanity. And that isn't even getting into the possibility of habitable moons or slightly harsher planets where we could survive but it wouldn't be as nice as Earth.

We've been living on Earth for our entire existence and we're still discovering new animals and plants. We still discover new things about the planet itself. We still haven't charted most of the ocean floor and most caves. There is a lot of shit to do with a whole planet. If we could confirm the presence of a habitable planet within a relatively reasonable distance from Earth it would be one of the biggest moments in mankind's history and it would cause another space race.

>>8793057
>and it would cause another space race.
lmao

>>8792719
who the fuck are you to decide what humanity deserves? life is about survival, even if it means invading and enslaving others.

>>8793096

OK I might have gotten a little carried away there, but if we found out the planet around Proxima Centauri was habitable or if we discovered habitable planets in the Alpha Centauri system we would get a lot more serious about space travel.

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>>8791279
>life
only liberal undergards use this word

>>8793117
yeah but that'd be bullshit because we'd nicely miss out on that

I'm just going to be content with our fancy new telescope and its answers and hope I didn't miss some real shit by a few years

>>8792649
*fires proton torpedos*

>>8791279

>friendly reminder that we landed on the moon but conspiracy theorists and flat earthers won't tell you

>>8792649

*bends space around it*

>>8790009
>We'll never encounter them prior to human extinction
FTFY

Lof
>>8793390
Why would we go extinct? At our technological pace exctinction should be a thing of the past.

>>8792719
... what does that even have to do with Earthlike planets with life being uninhabitable for humans?

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>>8790009

>thinking the future history of space exploration/colonization will mimic humanity's previous efforts
>space boats flying across the space sea, meeting new native aliens on the island planets
>space opera bullshit

The galaxy (and eventually, the universe) will be conquered by nanostarship Von Neumann machines, converting all available matter to computronium Matrioshka brains as it spreads. Even stars will be disassembled. Any humans "alive" in this period will be virtual, intelligent (hopefully autonomous) subsets of a much more sophisticated, collective intelligence.

Star Trek is an entertaining show, but don't take it seriously. The future is fleshbag-free.

>>8791011
Is this gonna turn into some Event Horizon shit?

>>8793525
I'm not too familiar with the subject, but what's the point of turning all matter into Matrioshka brains?

>>8793525
>Matrioshka brains

And in the virtual reality generated by them, the "space opera bullshit" happens.

>>8792997
It is slow as in it doesn't have high velocity. Yes it covers huge distances but it is not effected by relativity so while going those distances you do not experience time dilation, which would happen if you were going near c speeds. That's where the magic sets in.

As above so below. They're not as different than you or me. I like the blue guys.

>>8790009
Quantum entanglement concept and observation hides something, not everything is explained yet, and instant action-reaction of entanglement particles gives us some hope.

Lets see what happens the next 1000 years.

If there is a god and an afterlife, I would much rather become a spiritlike mumbojumbo shit and travel across the universe unimpeded until it ends than live in a heaven or something for eternity.

Is there a religion that would grant me my wish? I'm already a good guy so getting in shouldn't be so much of a problem.

>>8793715
>Is there a religion that would grant me my wish? I'm already a good guy so getting in shouldn't be so much of a problem.

Mormonism...seriously I'm starting to like that shit.

>>8793718
Will look into it altough I'm not American. That wouldn't be a problem right?

>>8793531
The book of Even Horizon was lit tho

Fucking blue aliens all night. Imagine that. I like the birds.

>>8793724

>lit

Has anyone figured out what the captain was saying in Latin in the movie?

Was it save yourselves? Or save yourselves from hell?

>>8793723

Considering the Mormon Church sends missionaries all over the world, no it's not a requirement to be American if you want to be Mormon.

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>>8793546

You can then simulate anything, real or otherwise. Even God.

Pic related is the seminal work on the concept.

>>8793550

True. If some guy in Michigan invents a working Alcubierre drive in his garage next Friday, just in time to stop an invasion force from TRAPPIST-1, we'll know we've been living in a SF simulation all this time.

>>8793017
>where we're going, we won't need eyes

Maybe people could be someday revived in a virtual reality somehow, and explore a virtual recreation of a universe? Sounds unlikely.

>>8793715
Some in generic New Age-like thinking think we'll be able to "astral project" around the universe. In fact, they claim you can even do it in this life.

Swedenborg (1688-1772) claimed to visit distant planets in spirit.

>mormonism
http://www.exmormon.org/tract2.htm

>>8793751
He said,
"liberate tuteme ex inferis"
("save yourself from Hell").

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>>8793778
Holy shit, you're right. We are effectively trapped in this boring solar system with no way out.

I mean people are excited about colony on Mars but the fact remains that you can't make an effective Internet between it and Earth, the latency is too shitty. So this colony will be kind of a trap, a local bubble. The parameters of this universe fucking suck.

The only way to endure this hopeless existence is to create the Matrix and disregard the reality, creating worlds where not even sky is the limit.

>>8794022

Thanks

>dubs

>>8794084
I always assumed that this was the answer to the Fermi paradox. That by the time you can start thinking about leaving your solar system you also have the technology to dissappear up your own ass into some giant computer and the latter is just so much more convenient

>>8794265
Thats a load of nonsense, any sufficiently advanced species would have removed their ability to feel animalistic pleasure that isnt caused by curiosity in order to civilized their species. So a virtual reality chamber whos only purpose is to create a pleasure world is useless to these beings, they would rather reconstruct the existing universe to what they want instead.

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>>8794274
Hedonistic pleasures are only a part of the VR experience. The main shtick is unleashing your powers of imagination and creativity to their full extent. Creating worlds out of pure thoughtstuff without any meaningful costs and regards to some "physical laws" that would constraint you.

>>8794274
Also, your curiosity for the real world will quickly evaporate once you fully understand that there are only FLOATING ROCKS that surround you. And even if you could travel enormously fast out of the solar system you would only get to MORE ROCKS.

>>8793424
War and global warming, potentially.

>>8794378
We survived wars now and we have nukes.

>>8791896
>remember when almost every faggot thought that in the 21st century there were going to be flying cars and shit?

They're called planes

>>8794425

no nigger

literally flying cars

it was 20th century thinking of what the 21st century was going to be like

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>>8794436
Yea nigga,
Literally a car with wings

>>8790009
stop shitposting and develop a method to travel thru space then you knob

>>8794444

nice quads, but you fail to understand that not only were there already planes in the 20th century, but that I'm talking about literal flying cars

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>>8794274
>Thats a load of nonsense, any sufficiently advanced species would have removed their ability to feel animalistic pleasure that isnt caused by curiosity in order to civilized their species.

The top-tier AI would, yes, but lower-tier beings (like us) could exist within it, "playing" and learning.

This is why I went from being agnostic to atheist and then to mildly religious...you can't rule out the possibility that this has already happened, or will eventually happen.

>>8794265
http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2010-09-18

Anyway my favorite solutions:

1) We're the among the first (unlikely as it sounds) to have this level of technology -- if not THE first.

2) Spacefaring races are out there, but they're very sparsely distributed and/or they normally don't colonize planets -- moving to post-biological virtual reality or not.

3) "Singularity" or not, interstellar travel is more or less impossible or impractical.

4) It's like Star Trek -- the galaxy is teeming with spacefaring civilizations, but for some reason we have had no known encounters with them.

5) All the crazy UFO bullshit may not be bullshit after all (unlikely).

>>8794274
>any sufficiently advanced species would have removed their ability to feel animalistic pleasure that isnt caused by curiosity in order to civilized their species.
Sounds like they would eventually commit mass suicide.

>>8794274
Sounds like hell.

And that implies that animalistic pleasures are bad and something evolved beings get rid of. Humans still get pleasure from eating, and that didn't die with the transition to sentience. It evolved actually, what with the culinary arts.

So it's possible that a highly evolved species could evolve animalistic pleasures with arts we may not be able to conceive.

>>8791896
>remember when almost every faggot thought that in the 21st century there were going to be flying cars and shit?

Flying cars are a super dumb idea though

Someone in 19th century France thought people would be able to fly with personal wings by 2000.

https://publicdomainreview.org/collections/france-in-the-year-2000-1899-1910/

>>8796642
>someone

I was wrong, it was more than one artist.

What's everyone's obsession with being space explorers? Do you have any idea how fucking boring it would be? Like being an even more boring geologist.

>>8796655
>why does man seek new challenges

>>8796773
>wasting decades of your life staring out a window in a spaceship to "advance man"

pants on head retarded

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>>8796843

>brainlet doesn't know about time dilation
Can't say I'm surprised

>>8796873

there's no such fucking thing and anyone who believes there is is retarded. it's literally 6000 year old earth tier.

>>8790009
Look OP, exploring this solar system, and finding away to build a new self sustaining civilization on Mars and resorts on the moon provide plenty of exciting challenges for humanity for the next 2 centuries, don't worry about other star systems or ayyy shit like that.

>>8792649
>probability

Space is mostly empty space so probability of that happening is very low or else earth will be bombarded by rocks and life would never evolve

There is higher chance of probability you hit an un-expected object driving 70 miles an hour on a freeway.

>>8796873
if it takes you 10 years to get somewhere, you age 10 years regardless of how long the Earth ages

>>8796843
>hibernation pods

>>8796878
>time dilation isnt real

Is this 1800s /sci/?

>>8796873
>brainlet doesn't know about time dilation

Only kicks in at an appreciable percentage of light speed, which will almost certainly never be achieved by a biological human.

>>8791040
>Travel fast enough and you can get anywhere in your lifetime. Everyone not on the ship will be long dead, but hey, you'll make it.

That's not how it works. The twin paradox only arises when you turn around and go back.

>>8796655
Unless there's FTL (warp, wormhole, etc). Otherwise yeah, it might be boring.

http://convertalot.com/relativistic_star_ship_calculator.html

>>8792649
What would happen if you ran into an asteroid in the compressed space an Alcubrie Drive makes?

>>8794416

>we have survived wars and we have nukes

Isn't it great to live in a passive aggressive world dominated by proxy wars, third party defense contractors and unmanned aerial vehicles?

I've heard people claim that there will never be another world war because of nukes and how much relative peace there's been compared to the past. Some even say this is the best time in human history so far as far as less war, poverty, and disease are concerned, and it will only get better.

I'm skeptical, to be honest.

>>8797330
We need a great unifier desu

>>8796642
>>8796648
That was interesting.

Well, most of the stuff depicted here really ended up happening, just in a very different way.

>>8797353
Like the Internet kind of being like that classroom?

>>8797332
If this were the Star Trek timeline, it'd be WW3 soon, then the first warp flight and united Earth sometime after that.

>>8797370
>Like the Internet kind of being like that classroom?

No, when I saw that picture I remembered a class we I had in elementary school called language lab. We would sit in cublices and wear headphones to listen to a story while reading the written text.

It was an oddly familiar setting.

>>8791014
Best wish.

>>8797370
WW3 2045-2055

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This is what would happen if we tried.

>>8790009
>billions of stars
>billions of galaxies

>ours is the only one with life

JUST

>>8797370
>>8797447
If the world is only partially nuclear devastated we become Star Trek. If much worse we Fallout.

It's kind of disappointing that space travel is so ridiculously hard and expensive nowadays. And it's only to orbit.

>>8797493
If it's like Star Trek, then even after WW3 there's still those drug-controlled soldiers and those messed up courts.

>>8796904
>nervousasteroid.png

>>8791032
kek go back to your youtube videos brainlet

>>8793525
>fleshbag-free

There is an advantage to "graduating" from biology: the universe is a lot more habitable when you can survive in all but the most extreme environments, as opposed to a very narrow criteria for survival like humans require.

>>8797074
death probably

I read somewhere that the maximum safe speed (without FTL travel) is .5 c. It was claimed that faster than that risked radiation (due to the background radiation of the Universe being blueshifted into lethal radiation) and impact hazards.

Would it be possible to construct some sort of force field to deflect radiation and other small particles to enable acceleration to the point where time dilation can really be taken advantage of?

.5c doesn't really provide that much time dilation.

>>8797074
Maybe you'd just gently bump into it if its' velocity relative to you would've been stationary had it not been for the warping of spacetime?

>>8790009
Biological immortality is very likely achievable within our lifetime. Dont be sad. Be hopeful.

Can this thread help me to stop being skeptical about how far we can go with inventing things? I know I sound like the people in the early twentieth century that claimed there is nothing more to be invented but... in what direction do we have room to grow? One that doesn't involve us being limited by our planet and the energy that we have at our disposal. It seems rather grim.

>>8794274

you are under the impression that one approach is more just than the other, both are meaningless, but only one of them is enough of a sucker to not realize that the only way to win the game is by not playing it

>>8800890
That "everything that can be invented has been invented" quote was a miss-attributed joke, I think.

That said, there were people in the early 20th century who legit thought that maybe technology could advance no further.

Like in General History for Colleges and High Schools by P. V. N. Myers, it reads:

>It may well be that we have already seen the greatest surprises of the age, and that the epoch is nearing its culmination [...]

>>8790009
E
M
Drive

>>8800959
Isn't that slower-than-light propulsion, assuming it works?

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>>8791532
Thats why any star to star expeditions must be organized around establishing outposts in asteroid belts and orbits first before any planetfall.

Lessons from the expansion into our own outer solar system is going to set up the framework for first stage exploration of other star systems.

>>8798394
Space isnt for monkeys.

We'll all need to be cyborgs, robots and computers before traveling that far.

>>8801009
Thing is, becoming machine may not be desirable or even possible.

I think making a force field may be possible, but if FTL isn't possible and one is biological, interstellar travel may never happen.

>>8800982
Oh yeah sorry forgot

>>8801009
all those brave monkey space pioneer/forebears would like to have a word with you...

>>8790976
don't they suffer from an inability to stop once started, not to mention incinerating/irradiating anything in n around itself?

>>8791504
a bussard ram?

>>8801097
yep. I don't know much about them, but supposedly there's different kinds. The electrostatic ion kind sounds more practical than the other kind due to drag issues.

>>8801202
oh

>>8796904
That doesn't make any sense...

>>8801262
he is trying to say that space is so empty the chance of bumping into something is low which is sorta right. The probability of hitting an object would obvious lt increase inside galaxies, solar systems,ect compared to the empty spaces

>>8801276
>increases inside galaxies

Considering that galaxies are usually millions of light years apart, I don't think much travel will occur in intergalactic space.

Interstellar space is pretty empty of large objects.

>>8793818
Assuming there's no afterlife in a religious sense, would it even be possible for a sufficiently advanced species to somehow reconstruct and revive the minds of long-dead people in virtual reality?

>>8801786
Found an article mentioning something like that:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/virtual-reality-heaven-how-technology-redefining-afterlife-1532429

>>8790996
But you don't actually travel at the speed of light with an Alcubierre drive. You are just riding a bubble of expanding space, you aren't moving through it, right?

>>8791014
Because God made it that way silly billy

>>8801095
engineering problems

>>8801923
That's the idea. No actual movement and no time dilation or other relativity stuff.

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>>8791555
My head hurts
>universe created all of mankind
>mankind has sentience
>universe essentially created a being so smart that it can tell other members of its species that the universe isn't sentient, but not smart enough to beat [spoiler]jude[/spoiler]

Pottery

>>8792574
Fuck yes I want an Arctic/Tundra planet for extreme comfiness. Or a tidal lock planet so I can go swim in hot weather when I feel like it and all I need is a way to get there. Without waiting for seasons.

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>>8795137
6) the UFO bullshit is real, but the ayys are allowed to dick around boring holes in cows and sucking the organs out because they are in contact with government leaders since the 1800's and it's part of the pact

7) there are shitloads of aliens who know who we are and observe us but whatever federation looks over us has a non- interference protocol restricting them from directly interacting with the general populace aside from dicking around in the atmosphere, with tech advanced enough to obscure camera and video viewings, and some aliens happen to enjoy using our crop fields as MS Paint: Ayys In Space Edition

8) ayys are in direct contact with earth's political leaders (see: KGB's book of alien races (probably fake), the YouTube video on the Canadian government official saying we are already in contact with 3+ species of aliens) and there is a large amount of spooky scary jew-like coverup stuff going on that goes over the heads of most humans. Skunkworks, bluebeam, JFK, good shit like that that thinking too hard on will turn you into a conspiracy theorist.

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>>8802135

Bogpill me - do the Bogdanoffs have humanity's best interests in mind or do they work for the ayys?

>>8802165
I hate this shitty meme, but the direct answer [spoiler](I'm an insider for the bog bros)[/spoiler] is: look at his face. Does he look human to you?

>>8802184

Their appearance is the next step in the evolution of mankind.

>>8802165
The call that saved Elon Musk and /sci/.

>>8802071
At least according to Space Engine, tidal lock earths are "eyeball earths."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kepler-186e.jpg

http://www.space.com/20856-alien-planets-eyeball-earths.html

>>8791049
I never noticed that the infinite improbability drive button was so well detailed.

>>8802135
lol

I like how sometimes seems there's only 2 races according to popular culture: humans and the greys.

>>8791803
The fermi paradox confirms it statistically. The odds of life not existing outside earth is near zero. So where is it? Why haven't we seen it? Pro tip, we have, but SETI is keeping quiet about it because what they saw either scares them, or the government has decided that earth should remain silent.

>>8791588
The speed of c means the universe cannot be sentient because it cannot communicate with itself fast enough to form consiousness.

>>8802688
Not if the thoughts were really, really slow.

>>8802685
I think other answers (we're among the first, the universe is sparsely populated, etc) are more sensible than the UFO coverup stuff.

>>8802696
The rate of universal expansion is too great even for light to overcome now. The only part of the universe that's sentient is us humans.

>>8802696
Also we probably aren't the very first, but we are among the first in the era of the universe where galaxies are more stable. The first generation of galaxies were racked by constant gamma ray bursts and supernovas because the first stars were mostly giants. Any life that formed in this period would have been quickly annihilated.

>>8791532
>>8791535
>>8791550
>>8801007
Why though? Most infectious substances require specific receptors to infect us, I mean you can become immune to HIV if you lack a certain type of receptor on your T-cells. They've evolved alongside us which is why they're able to interact with our bodies, to an alien virus we may as well be a rock.

>>8802744
Wrong. Not every micro organisim is a virus. We are sacks of water, sugar and salt. Many alien things would love to get inside our bodies. They could be bacteria, parasites, funguses or things we don't even have a classification for.

This is why we should sacrifice ourselves and let AI replace us. Only it has any hope of spreading across the cosmos.

Alternatively, we could merge with it if at all possible (though unlikely). It still won't be "us" anymore, but at least it might be a more let's say palatable option.

>>8794478
>>8794478
Flying cars have been possible for a while now, Anon. Obviously not antigravity ones like in most fiction. The issue is that people are fucking idiots that already can't drive land cars without killing families while playing Candy Crush behind the wheel, so no sane government body is going to legalize the use of cars that can kamikaze homes at 120mph + and explode on impact.

>>8802711
It took quite awhile for multi-cellular life to emerge on Earth, so maybe the same can be said for life capable of spaceflight.

I knew the universe was expanding, but I didn't know it was that fast. That means that beyond the Hubble radius, there could be a planet of technologically advanced inhabitants who will never know the Milky Way even exists.

>>8790976
>Alcubrie

>>8791019
/thread

>>8791033
>Space Engine

Space Engine is the greatest galaxy simulator. The entire observable universe is recreated in 1:1 distance scales (i.e. if you set your speed as c, it would take you literally millions of years sat on your computer in real time to reach the Andromeda galaxy).

>>8792100

Well you would actually land, eventually, it's just that you'd be dead by that point.

>>8802711
Very speculative here, but what about somehow embedding thought in spacetime itself, since it isn't limited to the speed of light?

>>8792924
>It's slower than light but it bends space

So it's faster than light.

>>8803416
Celestia would do that too, but Space Engine uses procedural generation for the unknown (read: vast majority) universe.

I like the vistas from planets in globular star clusters just above galaxies.

>>8803436

This is one nag I have with the software. Low metallicity inside a globular body would result in no planets forming--only in the globular halo surrounding it.

You mean the stars on the edge of the cluster's volume?

>>8802222
Jesus
Those digits

>>8794084
>trapped in this boring solar system
life on earth has many cities, cultures people and hot girls. If you aren't enjoying life now with so many possibilites out there, what makes you think travelling to another solar system would make you less of a virgin?
Not trying to be mean anon, but go lift, develop social skills go to bars fuck qts, you won't even think of anime anymore

>>8797147
If you don't live in cuckistan, yea life is pretty great.

>>8797040
Long dead and never going back seem to reach the same conclusion that you are isolated of the ones you love

>>8797330
You can be skpectical for sure about the future. But we are definitely in the greatest time period ever recorded for sure. Don't be so negative anon.

>>8802820
>legality stops people
it's not because it's non -regulated you don't see more of them. It's just because it's impractical/expensive to manufacture them along with the cost to operate/maintain
https://www.terrafugia.com/tf-x/
this one goes for about 200k US
If it was feasible to mass-produce them, car companies would have no problem getting them through regulations

Forget flying cars, where's our personal jetpacks?

>>8794490
>this is how i went full retard

>>8803471
It's still possible to have planets in a cluster, isn't it (even if unlikely)?

I found an ocean world with multicellular life .07 AU from a white dwarf. I don't know if that's feasible.

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>>8804235
It's feasible - a car actually costs about that much, if you don't use mass production to create it. A Rolls-Royce will start at a bit more than that, but they're aiming for quality in their 'hand made' cars even at entry level. There are also planes cheaper than that, and they don't really come off production lines.

Getting the legislation ironed out, however, would be a massive investment. Then there's what happens to all these roads to consider, and the risk that it won't quickly be adopted by the main stream.

It may become a thing one day, however, if we can find a cheap way to do it (and power them) but they'll likely be self-dri... flying. Automated drones with passengers on a centralized flight network is about the only way I could see to do it even remotely safely.

>>8796904
still not 0%

I have no doubt in my mind that lockheed and the US Gov already have warpdrive and long distance travel spaceship blueprints being locked up.

And the only reason it isnt shown to the public is b.c. they have no reason to.

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>>8804802
Less likely than the astronaut being hit by lightning on the way to the landing pad. (And pretty much all the other things that could go catastrophically wrong.)

You could draw a line as thick as the Earth in a random direction for 40 light years, every second, for a year, and the odds of hitting anything, other than the sun and the moon would still be a fraction of a fraction one percent.

Folks just don't understand how little there really is out there:
http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html
It's scary, really.

>>8804847
That site really makes the case for why FTL is essential for space travel.

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>>8804973
It isn't, provided you have some sorta biological immortality and/or suspended animation - also take into account what relativistic speeds does to the traveler. It takes a lot less time for the crew to get from one point to another, from their perspective. You can get to such speeds as to make an exponential difference in that regard, at a comfortable 1G acceleration, in a reasonable time frame (just don't ask about the energy costs required to keep that up).

Does mean everyone they know in love is either a lot older or dead and their old world radically changed, even if it was only a few years for them... But generally, if you're off colonizing worlds, the idea is you're leaving your old life behind anyways.

I meant FTL as in faster-than-light (wormholes, warping spacetime). Relativistic and slower than light travel have issues, like the "you age slower" thing you pointed out.

>>8805101
That's what I'm saying, ya don't need FTL. High fractions of the speed of light (ie. relativistic speeds) gets you that ageless effect.

I mean, if you wanna commute to work on another planet, yes, then you need FTL or some way to bypass the limit (warp drive, whatevz) - but if your goal is to begin a new civilization and ensure the survival of your species, no, not really. Don't even *really* need the biological immortality thing for that - just a boatload of continuous power from kugelblitzed black holes or some shit.

Though that maybe an inappropriate use of the modifier "just", considering.

>>8805082
Okay, here's what I don't get. IF the traveller is zipping around at the speed of light relative to the twin, then the twin is zipping around at the speed of light relative to the traveller. So why is it that the twin ages, but not the traveller? Is there some kind of universal reference frame that describes absolute zero velocity?

>>8804847
Why is there so much emptiness around us?

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i seriously fucking pray that we kill ourselves before we reach the singularity

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>>8790009
Heh, you won't. Brainlet.

>>8805169
>ya don't need FTL

You do if you want to return to your homeworld as you remember it. Without FTL, a round trip to a planet 50 light years away may only be 2 years on the ship, but it's 100 years on your homeworld.

With FTL, it might be only 2 years on both the ship _and_ your homeworld. Time dilation doesn't really apply to it.

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>>8802765
Sugars found in humans are chemicals produced by life on Earth, not something that is found in lifeless nature. There are some sugars in lifeless nature but they are not abundant and not the same molecules anyway. No reason why it would be likely to encounter sugar-earting alien organisms.

I also see no reason why salt should make us more edible. Or water.

If you have infinite planets, then yeah, there will be an alien organism that can eat us, but any random planet we encounter should be pretty safe statistically. Not sure how many life forms we'd need to meet before we should even start thinking about the probability of meeting something dangerous but it's probably a huge number.

Most bacteria on Earth require vitamins and other molecules created by life to grow and to do anything. Humans would not have alien vitamins and therefore we'd be pretty hard to digest. There are some bacteria (like E. coli) here on Earth that can make pretty much all the chemicals it needs on its own (except for water maybe) if it is given the required elements (there are dozens of them). While elements should be pretty similar between rocky planets, life forms probably differ enourmously in how much (if any) of any particular element they carry around with them. And most elements usually form compounds that might or might not be usable by a random life form.

Then there's stuff like pH, temperature and pressure and whatnot that would make it harder still. It would be like mixing up some motor oil, dishwasher cleaner, car wax and spent nuclear fuel in a bowl and then pondering if there's a life form that could live on it. There could be. But it's not likely we'll find one.

>>8805303
Like I said, if you're colonizing worlds to save the story of life on your world, not a problem. That's an abandon current life project anyways.

Not that it wouldn't be nice to be able to commute to alpha centauri in the morning and be back by the afternoon.

>>8805403
It's more likely that carbon based life forms operate similarly everywhere. I mean, there maybe "life but not as we know it", but if it is DNA/RNA based and developed anything like life here, even at the primordial level, it's going to be a problem.

Life forms that developed completely independently and never encountered each other before cause horrible fucks ups for one another on Earth all the time, both micro and macro. It's not that they've evolved to eat one another, all those that do simply did it incidentally initially, and got better at it.

>>8805191
Well, that's why it's a paradox.

...and the solution to said, is a simple Lorentz transformation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iJZ_QGMLD0

There is no universal reference frame - everything is relative (outside of internal reference frames). Hence the name.

Same reason the GPS satellites in orbit gain 38 microseconds per day on us and this has to be adjusted for by Einstein's old equation to keep them working (as with precision timing, after a while, that adds up).

http://physicscentral.com/explore/writers/will.cfm

>>8805465
Life forms haven't developed completely independently on Earth. They are made of the same building blocks whatever they are. Even bacteria. Universal Common Ancestor. That's why they can eat each other even if they were isolated from each other for a billion years.

Even having DNA/RNA wouldn't necessarily make a difference. It's not like we need to eat DNA/RNA. We need amino acids, lipids, sugars, vitamins, minerals. Not just any amino acids, the really specific ones. There's no apparent reason why an alien DNA/RNA-based life form would make use of a single same amino acid. Or lipid. Or sugar.

Even if those were same everywhere in the galaxy (maybe these ones are optimal and easy to make because of the same laws of physics) none of the vitamins would be. Well, maybe vitamin C because it's almost identical to glucose. But the rest, no.

Panspermia would obviously change all this.

>>8805480
Well, for starters, we don't know with certainty that life on Earth all developed in the same place at once. There's plenty of theories running amuck, quasi and primordial lifeforms, to suggest that biogenesis may have happened in several different instances, and is indeed still happening.

It certainly, however, did not all develop together. From the most primordial cell onward, we see radical diversity due to isolation and extreme environmental differences. Yet when a fungi that's lived on mud for billions of years unexpectedly enters a human system, bad things happen, despite having so little relation that they don't even share a cell structure or have any discernable matching DNA.

Any DNA/RNA based (ie. carbon based) lifeform has to replace similar materials. It's going to involve cells built from similar stuff. Diversity and competition almost guarantee that it will be designed to adapt hostile environments and do everything in its power be very invasive about it.

I mean, yeah, they may not put you on the menu right away - that takes adaptation - but most biological threats aren't out to eat you either. Most are simply trying to reproduce in a foreign environment (your body), and causing conflict beyond its ability to compensate.

...and even if it isn't carbon based at all - even a silicon based life form, for instance, is going to cause problems if it decides to start rapidly reproducing inside you. (Likely problems that your body was never evolved to counter.)

Does anyone else think life is just too complicated for it to be the result of chance mutations being beneficial enough to propagate through the species?
I was doing some light reading on the immune system and how a fetus's cells know how to grow, a while ago and it's like woah... this shit is fucking organized, everything has a place, everything has a purpose, and it does all that with certain chain chemical reactions.
It just screams "intelligent design" you know?

>>8805496
Dude, you are either drunk or you never attended biochemistry classes.

It's pretty much a fact that all life on Earth has a single ancestor. Just look at the RNA machinery that is common to all life. Or the basic proteins that are shared across every living thing.

Fungi DNA similarity with humans has nothing to do with their capability of harming us (Google says it's 30 %). HIV has probably 0 % similarity with anything in our genome (except for viral retrogenes maybe). The harm from fungi comes from the ability to make use of our cell's nutrients which we both share. The fungus wouldn't be able to procreate and metabolize anything if it didn't have a compatible energy source and building blocks which our cells provide to it.

Silicon based stuff probably can't find enough silicon within us to build more of itself. There's like 1 gram worth of silicon in our entire body. Also, it would need a compatible energy source.

Alien micro-organisms would mostly be a problem in the environment where they might produce toxins or break down oxygen or something like that. I highly doubt that any would be able to live within our bodies for extended periods of time, let alone procreate.

>>8805513
Why would evolution not be able to create complicated things? It's way better at it than anything else we have seen so far, including intelligent designers. Complexity has nothing on evolution when it uses 0 brainpower whatever it does and whatever the application. Evolution is simply a bruteforce trial-and-error mechanism that gets you results that work no matter how complicated it all gets.

>>8802688
I recall a Space 1999 episode where they travel through a black sun (don't ask) and they meet an intelligence that says it has a thought once every million years or so and by travelling near the black hole it is able to communicate with the crew (presumably due to the whole time warping/dilation thing)

>>8801927
Not being able to stop once started due to disconnection from space/time, accelerating faster and faster until it breaks apart from heat and radiation are engineering problems? I'd say its damn near impossible to fix

>>8802777
I'm also not too disturbed by this idea. This universe deserves to be seen. We should be creating the best seers that we can.

>>8805524
Because trial and error can only take you so far. Evolution doesn't have a goal, it's just what works at that certain time, it doesn't have foresight. And when you take a deep look at life on earth, it seems irrational to think that a process with no foresight led to its creation.

>>8805537
Those problems could be present, or they might just be erroneous speculation, like how people in the early 19th century thought traveling faster than a horse was lethal.

>>8800865
none of us will be rich enough to afford that.

>>8804057
GGG

>>8805698
but they aren't, interacting with dust particles, etc as the ship moves with the warpfield around it will cause a build up of heat/radiation.

>>8805548
Take you how far? There's pretty much no limit to what trial and error can do. A human for example is just a long sequence of nucleotides, ATGC. Around 3.2 billion of them if I recall correctly. Another order in that same DNA can produce a tortoise instead of a human. Mutations don't have much in the way of limitations so pretty much any sequence is theoretically possible. Of course only some produce viable life forms. But I fail to see a barrier that would stop mutations from creating hugely complex ATGC sequences over time.

Is there a particular life form or organ or ecology that you think requires foresight? I don't see one.

In the end it doesn't really matter if you personally grasp the subject and the mechanisms and the like. There's plenty of compelling evidence for all to see about how evolution took place. Life on this planet could just be a random mess of separate species but it isn't. There simply could be no close relatives to humans for example, but there are 20 or so extinct species of different types of humans, in the "correct" order and "correct" geographic locations. And there are a couple hundred other primates even though there would be no reason for those to exist if evolution didn't happen. Every species can be traced back to earlier forms and everything looks right.

There's also no reason why DNA sequences should be able to provide information about genetic relatedness of species. Like why whales and hippos have lots of similarity in their DNAs. Hippos could just as well have some gene that is a perfect match for a gene found in sharks while not being a match to whales but we don't see "crazy" stuff like that. There's even nothing crazy about it if common descent didn't happen.

We can literally see billions of things that might as well be different but are not. Common descent has lots of limitations and the natural world abides by them.

>>8805837
Wouldn't they just pass through the warp bubble as the ship moves through different parts of space? I don't see how stuff would just enter the warp bubble but not leave.

And even if an Alcubierre drive doesn't work, maybe some other kind of space-warping faster-than-light method does?

>>8805837
Dust is not a problem in deep space - save maybe inside a nebula (which, technically, isn't deep space).

The heat buildup with Alcubierre warp drive only applies to theoretical FTL uses, and the worry is that you may, effectively, create a temporary singularity at your back end in such a way that you won't be outrunning the Hawking radiation caused by its instant decay. Thus you maybe taking a few petawatts of gamma radiation up the butt every second, and would need some way to shield yourself from that.

Folks have been working like mad on gamma reflecting materials, but no one's made much progress. They would be a game changer though. Not only would it solve that potential Alcubierre drive problem, but it'd let you more easily use kugelblitz black holes for relativistic speeds. Said holes, while they are more difficult to create than Alcubierre drives, don't violate any physical laws, and thus maybe a less fanciful foundation to work with. (Even if you need solar panel arrays the size of a small state in orbit and crazy accurate lasers to create them.)

>>8805403
Your notion that earth biology will always be the side that wins when encountering alien biology is extremely childish.

>>8807374
I didn't say anything about winning. Nor am I suggesting Earth life is anyway superior to aliens.

Alien organisms can't live on Earth organisms and vice versa. If we find a planet with life on it, we can't eat it. Our bacteria can't eat it. And it can't eat us.

Oh my god were just a fucking blip in an infinitely vast nothingness. When we die notbingness will take us back. Im scared sci. Death overrides any drive for me knowing its all arbitrary in the big universal picture.

>>8806055
>A human for example is just a long sequence of nucleotides, ATGC. Around 3.2 billion of them if I recall correctly. Another order in that same DNA can produce a tortoise instead of a human. Mutations don't have much in the way of limitations so pretty much any sequence is theoretically possible.
Any object in the universe is just a specific arrangement of atoms. However, if, say, as a result of a mudslide, a heap of mud were formed that looked exactly like Michelangelo's David, one would be rather surprised would he not?

>>8807867
Even if that mudslide took millions of years? Time can make the improbable probable.

>>8807867
A mudslide has no inherent mechanism to increase complexity.

Life does.

The idea isn't that it's "random", as creationists tend to say. It's that it's inevitable.

>>8807954
...and it's billions.

>>8790009
Most of them wouldn't have life on them anyway or any compatible atmospheres without having to wear protective apparatuses.

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>>8807867
You are correct of course. There are probabilistic aspects to this. We would definitely not expect mutations to produce a person that is born from a watermelon even if it's theoretically possible.

This is just how the conversation is directed from "it can't happen" to discussing the probabilities of mutations and how the steps of evolution take place. It's important to understand that evolution works by changing the letters of the DNA (mostly perhaps one at a time) and not by magically transforming a fish into a frog.

The next step is to look at the number of mutations per generation which in humans is around 130. That means it would take 25 million generations to get as many mutations as there are nucleotides in the genome. OR 25 million people in 1 generation. Assuming humans have had a population size of 1 million for the past 1 million years and a generation time of 25 years (40 000 generations in 1 M years) we get around 5200 billion mutations. In a genome of 3,2 billion letters, that's a lot.

If we look at chimps and humans who differ by 1 %, or around 32 million letters, and find that our species separated 5 million years ago, and assume 1 million population size for both lineages and a generation time of 20 years, we get around 65 000 billion mutations. So maybe 1 out of every 2 million mutations got stuck in our genomes.

To me it looks like there's lots of opportunities for mutations to happen and to spread.

hate to be the one to break it guys....

space aint real...... go look at a star.... it's not a sun like ours or terrafirma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhanw7EyH38

>>8808142
YT sure has a lot of crazy conspiracy crap. Everything from "the earth is flat" to "the earth is hollow" to "dem aliens dun took muh baby" to "stars aren't real."

>>8808142
That water effect is from the waters above the firmament, correct?

Also I read somewhere that stars are actually living beings that live in between the layers of the firmament

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>>8808142
4chan may have a reputation for crazy anonymous rage-inducing edginess, but despite not being anonymous, 4chan has nothing on the Youtube comment section.

Hell, a lot of these people are using their real names. ...and if anything, Youtube is probably more representative of the mainstream than 4chan is.

By the gods, we're so fucked...

>>8809311
The whole 2012 fiasco showed just how stupid Americans can be.

Nibiru, thinking magnetic poles shifting causes massive earthquakes, the 2012 movie...

>>8804642
I also found 2 gas giants orbiting eachother like a pair of binary stars, surrounded by a system of smaller moons. This was in an irregular galaxy about 28 billion light years away IIRC.

>>8791671
I'm on board. How much do money do you want? Give me a workable plan and I will pay you literally any amount of money that it requires.

>>8791671

Anywhere I can read about serious, notable progress or any other information related to this?

>>8809395

I'm with this anon

>>8790009
Seen one, seen em all.

A lot of people get hard ons about the idea of aliens but if there's other life out there its probably just boring shit similar what we know occurred on early Earth.

>>8790009
Our destiny is not mortal flesh.
Eventually we'll end up as a collective intelligence with no need for space.
Kind of like the baddie in oblivion.

>>8793525
Why don't we see dark portions of other galaxies in the universe presumably being overtaken by all-consuming nanostarships?

>>8790009
The hurdle we need to jump is mastering nuclear fission.

Once that's achieved our possibility to explore the universe will be limitless.

>>8810124
*fusion

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>>8810124
Why would fusion enable exploring the universe? Fission is in the same ballpark anyway (energy density). It's gonna be sublight anyway if we don't get something exotic in that front. Even fusion doesn't provide the kinds of energies required for wormholes and stuff like that.

We need AI so we can bring costs down. Construction, R&D and O&M. Then we can go do some sublight exploring and Mars colonization.

>>8810113
Why collective?

I don't want to be Borg.

>>8810167
Where did you get the notion that being Borg was a choice?

>>8810153
>fembot has a corset

>>8810153
Exactly, we also need AI.

The reason I say fusion is that fusion products could be recycled for further fusion reactions.

>>8810171
lol

Anyway, I don't see the benefit to merging into a single intelligence.

>>8803471
https://phys.org/news/2016-01-globular-clusters-host-interstellar-civilizations.html

>>8792800
Why not use Warp Drives to sell the idea of fusion and get it done faster?

>>8790009
How faster than light can warp drives go?

You would need to move 120x the speed of light just to get there in only two months.

>>8810319
why would there be a limit?

>>8810327
Because a Warp Drive stills uses energy

>>8810329
how? isn't it just bringing exotic matter near regular matter to warp?

>>8810340
It takes energy to produce and manipulate exotic matter.

>>8796904
>earth bombarded by rocks
literally millions do every day. they just burn up in earth's atmosphere. that's what shooting stars are

>>8810319
Not Warp 10.

Really though, I don't know if there's an upper limit. Although with the existence of things like Planck time, Planck length, and Planck temperature, there could be a limit to how fast warp can go, and only teleportation (if possible) is faster.

>>8810327
it would be ludicrous

>>8796878
/pol/ please

>>8803425
How many times greater is Jupiter's gravity on its "surface" compared to Earth's?

>>8811393
About 2.5 x Earth in the clouds.

>The temperature at the core boundary is estimated to be 36,000 K and the pressure is believed to be 3,000 to 4,500 Gpa.

https://www.universetoday.com/47966/jupiters-core/

>>8802688
thoughts, information and data might not be considered matter retard

>>8811727
>speed of light
>matter
>light is matter
>information can travel faster than light
Wow. Leave /sci/ immediately

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>>8809311

This is a collaboration from comments that showed up on my own Facebook feed.

Presumably most of these are real people. We truly are fucked.

>>8810195

The scifi meme about running into alien AIs is, imo, more feasible than running into actual aliens.

If we consider that we ourselves would be far more likely to send a ship on a thousand year mission with an AI than with plans to host generations of humans, we would presume others would be in the same position.

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Gentlemen, the Earth is not a ball.
I'm sorry you have been and continue to be fooled by the indoctrination program.

>>8811765
>Creationism has proved again and again that the earth is 6000 - 10000 years old
This reminds me of the creationist kid in middle school at my lunch table. He eventually decided the socially correct thing was to compromise and declare the universe to be exactly 1 million years old instead. Once you're past ~6000, you're needing some very interesting reasoning to keep it low.

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>>8811765
Flat horizon. Please wake up. Santa is just your parents putting gifts under the tree. NASA is a military program. It employed German Scientist. Operation paperclip. Rockets dont work in a vacuum. Look it up.

>>8811822
>Rockets dont work in a vacuum
You idiot, of course they do. They really don't work in an atmosphere. Think about it, why would they need "oxidizer" if they're in oxygen?

>>8811729
>>information can travel faster than light

Not that anon but are we sure of that? Light speed is stupidly slow.

>>8811816
New Zealand is all the way near the edge, like some kind of remote fantastical place.

>>8808142
DUDE STARS ARE LIKE WEED

>>8810058
You could check out stuff by Aubrey de Grey and SENS, might have something

>>8805548
What you see is really random genetic mutations filtered by the environment or natural selection. Intelligent design is a silly notion regarding life.

I've read that if you try to go faster than light in a warp bubble, everything inside it gets incinerated with Hawking radiation.

Hopefully that's just pessimism.

>>8791279
>"""""they"""""
friendly reminder to keep seeing your psychiatrist