Is "I think therefore I am" invalidated when you consider

"I think therefore I am" is automatically invalidated because it assumes the existence of an 'I' without ever having proved such an existence, it's just a circular argument. If you're not sure there's an 'I' then you certainly can't start with "I think"

>>8731486
if you were an AI you would still exist, just not as what you think you are
>>8731497
t. spirituality fag that wants to act as if this is about the ego and not consciousness

>>8731497
There is no "I" in Descartes's original statement in latin.

>>8731497
We can say with logical validity that at least ones self has a subjective experience. We can then assert with a high degree of truth ones self is responsible for thinking. Until some form of evidence is provided that there is some external force causing consciousness to function, the default position is to accept the evidence at hand.

>>8731497
>There is thinking going on
>Something must exist to be doing the thinking
>I must be that something
>I think, therefore I am

>>8731549
you dont need to be that thing, it is also possible that you, as in the consciousness experiencing, experience thoughts happening that are coming up as a natural function of the brain/body like how you can experience your heart beating without your intention

>>8731577
thats literally who you are retard

>>8731486
If we are or are not AI is irrelevant. Does it change how you feel?

>>8731486
Being a simulation doesn't invalidate sapience. It changes what you are, not the fact of it.

>>8731486
Calling our universe a simulation is very dumb, the level of science required to make this shithole would be way beyond us.

>>8731610
exactly. the implication being that whatever created the simulation is way more advanced than us and what we experience as the universe pales in comparison to what they experience as the universe. it invalidates our existence even further

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>>8731486
THICC

The fact that an AI would try to deceive you is one of the proofs your mind exists. Why would an AI try to deceive an inanimate object?

I think therefore I get doubles

>>8731691
Nice try brainlet, but you just proved you don't think and therefore may not be.

>>8731486
Define existence, why does it matter if we are a simulation or not, we'd still be 'existing'.

Also, last I checked, "science and mathematics" didn't include philosophy?

>>8731530
if your "logic" only works in certain languages, it's obviously not valid
>>8731539
>We can say with logical validity that at least ones self has a subjective experience.
what? elaborate

>We can then assert with a high degree of truth ones self is responsible for thinking.
massive leap even assuming the other line was true, especially with the modern theory of predeterminism

>Until some form of evidence is provided that there is some external force causing consciousness to function, the default position is to accept the evidence at hand.
absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

>>8731486
>Is "I think therefore I am" invalidated when you consider that we may just be AI in a simulation?
No.

>Can I not even prove that I exist?
Incorrect.

/thread

>>8731530
t. non Latin speaker

>>8731486
define'I'

define 'think'

define 'am'

>>8731486
Why is this on /sci/?

>>8731486
>>8731497
You people are retarded and this is a science board not a philosophy board.
The fact that you can think prove that in some way you exist which cannot be said for anything else.
Are you people underage?

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>>8733285
>The fact that you can think prove that in some way you exist which cannot be said for anything else.
the point is that you don't know you 'can think' moron

did you not have any sort of required philosophy class anytime in your life, or are you still in high school? critical thinking is apparently hard to come by these days...

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>>8731486
>Think
>Nigger

There have been a lot of objections to it.

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>yfw existence is a social construct.

It's a moot point.

>>8731486
>invalidated when you consider that we may just be AI in a simulation?

??? So? You'd still exist

>>8731610
>beyond us.
no one said """"we"""" did it tard

>>8733389
Neat
You're still a fagshoe

>>8731530
The word he uses is "cogito" which literally mean "I think," what are you even on about?

You're criticism is that he used the Latin word for "I" rather than the English word "I."

>>8733758
Maybe you should learn English before diving into meme languages

>>8733773
I don't see any miss take. Perhaps the fault is entirely you're's?