Here's a thought experiment: A genie tells you that he

>>8729264
Agreed

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>world will no longer be susceptible to pseudoscientific humbuggery
math desperately needs this

>>8729264


>Not picking Maths

>Brainlet detected

>>8729278
>>8729276
What would be the benefit to society?

>>8729284
Why would someone interested in bettering mathematics care about real world applications? You applied mathemabrainlet

>>8729284
The concept of "irrational" "numbers" would be universally recognized as fallacious.

Genetics so /pol/ will stop raiding us.

>>8729319
/Pol/ would become the real life actually

>>8729302
>"why tf is pi so fucking long? this is bullshit"
hang yourself from a balcony

>>8729264

Without a doubt, psychology. There IS a genuine "science of the mind", but the sheer woowoo and public misunderstandings in this field allow endless numbers of parasitical psuedoscientists to operate with ease.

Think how valuable a scientific study of the mind could be, it could transform ideas about politics, about education, even about religion, philosophy, and knowledge.

How broad do you consider biology to go? Would you say includes psychology, since it is (loosely) connected with biology?

>Bio -> neuro/cognitive science -> psych

Like I agree with OP in that the medical extension of bio would be amazing for people to get, but im curious about how broad that stretches. If you say that we can go hella broad, then I'd say chemistry, cause then that would cover most of biology and medical science, in addition to "muh chemicals in muh food"

>>8729327
Well they should really just round pi off somewhere and call it a day, this whole chasing the tail meme is wasting valuable daylight.

does economics count?

>>8729322
>hurr durr all the scientists are lying the jews and/or liberals are keeping them quiet, but they really know the truth and I'm the only one that realizes!

>>8729330
>If you say that we can go hella broad, then I'd say chemistry, cause then that would cover most of biology and medical science
and also psychology. Could you imagine if parents understood basic developmental psychology? Kid's could actually grow up mentally healthy all the time

t. shitty parents

>>8729330
No I'd separate psychology. Otherwise bio would be overpowered. Let's just use college majors as good boundaries for what is a separate science.

>>8729322
nice b8

>>8729330
>>8729343

Psychologists themselves classify their science as a branch of Biology, and cite evolutionary theory as its underlying basis.

>>8729343
I might have to say biochemistry then.

>biology
>with a chemical basis
>with clear medical application
>and some understanding of the biological/chemical basis for basic psychological phenomena (ie neurotransmitters)

>>8729360
If psychology really is a branch of biology, maybe they should make psych majors take organic chemistry as a required course.

>>8729380
That's just a matter of rigor.
You don't have to know the chemical reaction mechanisms behind the processing of dopamine to know how the brain relays information (notice the use of "know" rather than "understand"). "The brain releases dopamine which makes you feel good" is all they need to know to do their job. Just like an engineer doesn't need to know group theory to do calculus.

>>8729380

They... do? Psych degree courses involve multiple biochem and neurochem modules.

>>8729264

Physics, for the love of quantum.

>>8729396
I'm looking at the requirements for Cornell's psych program and don't see organic chemistry as a core requirement. A biochem module is not the same thing in terms or rigor.

>>8729392
>Just like an engineer doesn't need to know group theory to do calculus.
Right, which is why engineering is not a branch of mathematics in the same way that psychology is not a branch of biology.

Physics, people would finally be able to understand my ramblings

>>8729406

Do you think anyone who wants to study organic chem should first study nuclear physics?

>>8729416
No, and chemistry is generally not regarded as simply a branch of physics, even though there is overlap. That is my logic in separating biology from psychology for the purposes of the thought experiment.

Only an idiot would pick math. Math works well. Medical science is not even a science as it is.

>>8729417
I get the boundaries for the thought experiment, that's all fair and good.
I'm more focused on the implication that psychology can't be considered a branch of biology unless they approach the same amount of rigor as per >>8729380

>>8729436

The reason psychology is generally not regarded as a branch of biology is that the majority of biological theories have a degree of abstraction and independence that sets them apart from the majority of other biological sciences and puts them more in line with the other social sciences. If you're going to say that psychology is biology because humans are an organism and the mind has a biological basis, then you can say that about a lot of other fields too, such as anthropology. If you broaden biology to include anthropology and psychology, the term loses some of its meaning.

>>8729448
>majority of biological theories
*psychological theories*, I meant to write

>>8729448

Biology does include both of those things, tho. There are really only three sciences, physics, chem and bio.

>>8729448
Hmm, okay I can dig that.

>>8729454
>Doesn't get that bio is an application of chem, and chem is an application of physics
lol u wild, clearly physics is the OTS (One True Science)

>>8729454
OK, well if that's what you believe then I won't stop you, but that isn't the prevailing view among scientists or the public at large, and I'm not sure even most psychologists consider themselves biologists.

>>8729448

Psychology is more like a specialisation within bio than a separate discipline. By the nature of its subject, it's an extremely interdisciplinary science, but its underlying theories are the same as biologies, and in principal anything a psychologist does could be done by a suitably specialised biologist. Indeed, many experiments designed for animals have been adapted by psychologists for use on humans.

>>8729454
Biology is part of chemistry and chemistry is part of Physics. There's only one science.

>>8729470
>I'm not sure even most psychologists consider themselves biologists.

In my experience they certainly would, as would anthropologists.

>>8729480

Physics is a spook.

>>8729486
>Physics is a spook.
Thanks Stirner. Now get the fuck out of here.

>>8729332
I hope you're fucking joking. Mathematicians know that finding loads of digits of pi isn't important, but that doesn't mean it isn't irrational. It would be moronic to say otherwise.

>>8729345
>>8729335
Why is /sci/ so bluepilled?

>>8729474
OK, well if you believe that then that's fine, but most biologists disagree.

>>8729486


>In my experience they certainly would, as would anthropologists.
Really? So a person who designs experiments based on surveys or a clinical psychologist who conducts therapy sessions is practicing biology? Is this really what psychologists believe? Because to call these people biologists dilutes the term to the point of meaninglessness.

>>8729507
>Really? So a person who designs experiments based on surveys or a clinical psychologist who conducts therapy sessions is practicing biology?

Yes, in the same way that an ecologist collecting data in the field is doing biology.

>>8729504
why are you still on /sci/, then?

>>8729264
Maths.

With maths, people will understand physics and engineering.
With physics, people will understand chemistry.
With chemistry, people will understand biology.

Really hitting 5 birds with one stone.

>>8729503
It's not about pi really, it is just that the idea of complete metric spaces is madman's ramblings and whoever came up with it should be gassed.

>>8729302
An irrational number is just a convergent sum of rational numbers

Why is this so difficult to understand for constructivists and finitists

>>8729512
Because I don't know of any places to discuss science and mathematics that are less bluepilled.

>>8729524
convergent to what?
You mean Cauchy sequences of rational numbers?

This is my problem with real numbers. People who use them don't seem to understand them and overuse them in contexts where complete sets aren't needed.

>>8729530
Biology isn't a science.
Try >>>/his/

>>8729546
>history and humanities
That's not what I asked for.

Also, /his/ is just as bluepilled as /sci/.

People saying math are stupid. That's like the trickle-down economics of science.
People that understand math will not, by necessity, understand the sciences unless they make an effort (which, given the profound idiocy and mental laziness of the general public, I wouldn't count on). Physics can give you a deeper insight into chemistry, but by no means does it make chemistry easier to understand. Just because I can tell you all about math doesn't mean I know how to apply it to physical problems (see: pure math majors being autistic when asked "what application does this have?")

>>8729511
>Yes, in the same way that an ecologist collecting data in the field is doing biology.
In the end, the boundaries between different fields are abstract human concepts. Society saw fit to decide that the study of the entirety of human behavior was too big and unwieldy to fall under the purview of biology. Otherwise economics, political science, and various other fields would be considered biology, but they're not. Again, I'm not going to change what you believe, but what you believe goes against the general consensus among educated society and when we're talking about human definitions that's what really matters in the end.

>>8729546
nice try JIDF

>>8729517
this
this is how things work

>>8729530
Why don't you try getting cyanidepilled you fucking cretin

>>8729615
Why do you have to be so rude?

>>8729276
>>8729278
>>8729517

This is the worst idea.

>remove contradictions from maths
>someone develops a consistent definition of infinity and an associated theorem of absolute convergence
>all millennium problems proven in the same year
>no prizes offered for future math problems because math is now very easy
>math eventually becomes a brainlet-tier branch of study because everything has already been done

The strength of math lies in that it is completely incomprehensible to the non-ascended masses

Use the genie on something nobody cares about like sociology

>>8729686
The brainlet-ness of this reply is beyond amazing.

political science

>>8729697
your infinitesimal brain no doubt finds everything amazing

>>8729700
Quick on the draw there, how long have you been saving that one?

I choose relativistic astrothermodynamics, so that nobody will ever ask again what will happen if a sun made of ice collides with a sun made of lava.

>>8729616
>>>8729615
>Why do you have to be so rude?
His life is miserable, of course.
He blames everyone but himself. Or herself.
It's an epidemic of soullessness.

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soooo....
2 words here , thought and magic.
and a concept, dont kick the goads.
you cant directly change game elements.
pro tip : stop harassing the npc's they are part of unity, shes doing her best but has to unwind on weekends.

Sexology
Maybe then I'll lose my virginity.

>>8729702

That's a dumb question anyway, because you can't have both types of sun in the same Universe.

>>8729284
it would auto fix a lot of other sciences by proxy

misapplied statistics and misunderstood probabilistic concepts are what prop up a lot of bullshit theories in "genetics", social/political """sciences""", and economics

some pseudoscientific physics and medicine would also cease to fool anyone

I'd say biology, it would instantly wipe out /pol/niggers, the alt-right, and the social science leaning left.

>>8729278
Math isn't a science.

>>8729327
>one irrational number exists, therefore they all exist.

>>8729524
Because given a randomly chosen real number there is a 100% probability that you cannot give it a finite description and thus it is impossible to formalize under any logical system. The only way around this is by invoking garbage workarounds like the axiom of choice that let you quickly say "it exists because axiom". Such axioms aren't allowed in constructive math, moreover giving a number means actually giving a formal description of said number.

>>8729686
literally retarded. Only a brainlet highschooler has such a dumb understanding of mathematics.

>>8729517
you're like a walking buzzword

>>8730505
Not an argument.

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>>8729503
Why the hell is it rational. Besides the fact that pi is an irrational number, what affect does knowing the bajillionth digit of pi have in calculation?

>>8729264
Medicine. So I can live longer.

not picking sex science so cute girls will fuck you.

>>8729264
>Which branch of science do you pick?
The science closest to logic.
That would have transfer to everything else.

>>8729264
Eugenics

>>8729700
*Infinitesimally small
*amazing.

Whats wrong with him finding things amazing friendo? :^)