Can someone give me a quick rundown on this guys Moon Tourism

>>8710718
its gon b gud

>>8710718
>Hey guys, I have a big announcement to make! And yes, I am announcing a future announcement on twitter for you so that you know that you should care!

...

>THIS ANNOUNCEMENT. IN 2018... I WILL BE MAKING MORE MONEY. Yes, technically it is a space mission but it will not yield any research, nor new technology, nor will it even be public because actually I have used all these government subsidies for space exploration so that now I can launch billionaires into orbital tourism on your dime and not mine and yes, I will be getting very fucking rich from it. Thank you for all that government money I used for research. It would have been so hard to invest my own money and be an actual fucking company. I am so glad space is still a meme so that I could use it to steal money to use to kickstart my own private company. Heck, I don't even care particularly about space. If the meme had been "ice-cream" then I would have gotten government subsidies to research ice cream and then kickstart my private ice-cream business. Who the fuck cares. Free money is free money. I am so sorry that you are poor and are suffering. Fuck you. I am a billionaire.

Okay, now. Now that /sci/ has seen first hand how shit capitalism is can we now become /communism/ and campaign to genocide all the 1 percenters?

Zuckerberg is perhaps the only man who'd be able to pay for that without being considered too old/physically inapt.

>>8710818
>inapt

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>>8710814
>percentage-based genocide campaigns

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>>8710814

>western communist

You deserve the terror that thing is. Underage or not stupidity must not be prevented from reaping the reward of consequences.

>>8710937
>I support a billionaire using tax payer funded money to help himself

>I don't support everyone using tax payer funded money to help each other

>>8710818
there are a lot of billionaires and multimillionaires in their 30s and 40s.

it would cost between 80 and 150 million per person. This is roughly what NASA pays.

>>8710945

As I said you fully deserve the horror you wish to experience. Just limit the experiencing part to yourself and your buddies.

>>8710814
Get fucked and kill yourself in a slow and painful way

t. Former-USSR fag

>>8710997
Meh, we don't NEED communism.

We could stay with capitalism and have Bernie Socialism.

Or we could stay with capitalism and what we do is that every 10 years we genocide everyone who is too rich.

>>8710814
proof that commies are anti-progress

>>8711010
Bernie socialism is shit and wouldn't work either. Besides, you can't really pick and choose parts of an ideology you like and parts you don't. The same philosophical foundation will eventually drive the system to its logical conclusion. See the social democrats in places like Sweden going completely batshit insane as of late.

If you choose equality as a value, you will end up with marxism and social collapse sooner or later, because arbitrary boundaries can easily be moved. Either way, this belongs in /pol/ and not on here, so get fucked you kike whoreson.

>>8711025
>Bernie socialism is shit and wouldn't work either.

The fuck are you talking about?

We simply pool money from the rich and middle class and then pour it down to the middle class and poor to aid them with healthcare, transportation, food, [insert other basic needs for the modern world], should they need that help.

What is wrong with that? It is completely benign. Top billionaires paid like 2 million a year for obama care. Like 2 million dollars are going to fucking hurt a billionaire. They barely even notice because they make that amount of money so quickly.

What is wrong with helping middle class and poor people live a decent life?

>>8711038
nigga fuck off

tax money shouldn't go to billionaires pockets but it shouldn't go to fund your useless social studies degree either.

>>8711044
What is wrong with free education?

Do you not think that education is a NEED in the modern world? Are you retarded.

Fuck, I bet you are right now going to university paid for by your parents, telling me that university education is not a basic need.

You have the worst kind of cognitive dissonance and if you want to claim that you don't then drop out of college and just go out to the world as an uneducated person to see how far you get.

>>8711038
Because that shit does. Not. Work. I live in a country with lots of free shit, and said free shit is of exceptionally bad quality while our neighbours who pay far less in taxes live a lot better. Not least because everyone likes doing business there before here.

The problem with states, economics and politics is that they do not follow simplistic linear models. There are huge amounts of variables with highly nonlinear effects, many of which are hidden. Everyone goes through a socialist phase - it sounds so nice on paper. Except it does not work. Do you really thing no one thought of redistributing wealth before Marx? Furthermore, the bigger the state, the harder it is.

>>8711064
>I live in a country with lots of free shit, and said free shit is of exceptionally bad quality while our neighbours who pay far less in taxes live a lot better. Not least because everyone likes doing business there before here.

Let me fix that for you.

In our country, with lots of free shit, middle class and rich people live a little bit worse because we pay more taxes. Meanwhile poor people live a better life than they would otherwise.

In our neighbour country, rich and middle class people live so much better as they pay less taxes, but their poor people fucking starve to death on the streets because the government does not give a fuck about them.

There. Hopefully that will give you a better point of view when comparing two countries. You were clearly looking at the rich people of the other country while ignoring how shit it must be to be poor in a country with no social programs.

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>>8711052
one, not all education is equal, a degree in gender studies is pretty much worthless

two, especially on /sci/ you're making the wrong argument for socialism

the fundamental issue is that we're going to reach a post scarcity world in the near future. do we want an ancap shitshow? do we want a world where scarcity is constructed artificially by government through IP ? do we want a star trek style transhumanist utopia?

your take on politics is absolutely plebian

democrats are the party of the past. find a better liberal politics or kys

>>8711079
>let me tell you what you should think
Poor people don't live any better. In fact, the living standard and income inequality are worse than in the evil capitalist neighbour. Nice assumption there, faggot. Making the data fit the hypothesis is one of the hallmarks of marxist academia.

>>8711082
>one, not all education is equal, a degree in gender studies is pretty much worthless

Great because nowhere in my argument did I advocate for free gender studies degrees.

I argue for free education in a nation. I have no control over which degrees universities offer. If you want gender studies degrees to disappear then fight that battle at the university level, not at the government level.

>the fundamental issue is that we're going to reach a post scarcity world in the near future. do we want an ancap shitshow? do we want a world where scarcity is constructed artificially by government through IP ? do we want a star trek style transhumanist utopia?

If we are going to live past scarcity then what would you choose?

Option 1: There is a protected upper class who amount to 1% of the population who lives a lavish lifestyle. Meanwhile everyone else starves to death as the upper class takes most of the resources.

Option 2:
We pool resources and we all slowly either go out and die together, or man through the problems together.

I would choose option 2 every time because remember, if you choose option 1 then there is only a 1/100 chance that you will be in the protected class.

>>8711087
Then your taxes are obviously not going towards social programs, so your high taxes have nothing to do with socialism, retard.

>>8711052
Your social studies "education" is absolutely not a need, better to invest in trade. University is filled with people who are way too dumb to be there in the first place.

> I bet you are right now going to university paid for by your parents

Nope I work and they gave me a 70% scholarship by merit.

SpaceX. woo.

>>8711082
>ancap shitshow
Obviously the wrong approach, as it will like as not destroy the civilization that created said post scarcity society
>startrek utopia
You'll end up wasting everything on sustaining a population of hedonists and possibly a repeated population boom among the lower strata. There needs to be some incentive to work, because the people actually interested in conquering the stars will be far outnumbered by those just looking for infinite pleasure. And if the latter have any say, where do you figure all our energy will go?

I personally think the optimal solution is simple - basic income to any adult who chooses such, but with mandatory sterilization. That way we are not burdened by dead weight, and don't even have to resort to violence.

>>8711094
>Your social studies "education" is absolutely not a need, better to invest in trade. University is filled with people who are way too dumb to be there in the first place.

Trade schools are still schools, genius. So free education implies free trade school for anyone who wants it.

I see that when you say that universities are filled with people too dumb to be there you include yourself in that list.

>Nope I work and they gave me a 70% scholarship by merit.

>I am a working class person and I am against capitalism

Lol no. No one is believing that, retard. Tell me, which managerial position did your dad give you at his firm?

>>8711092
>option 1 or option 2

idk about your options but i can see you missed the point as you're posing a 20th century dilema about distribution of scarce resources

>Great because nowhere in my argument did I advocate for free gender studies degrees.

the policy you're proposing has a consequence of funding a huge number of fucking useless degrees, just pointing out that that education is in no way necessary in the modern world. it is a luxury that you'd like your government to provision

>>8711103
the whole premise is idiotic, there's no such thing as post-scarcity

>>8711104
Meant to say "against socialism".

>>8711104
>no "working class person" is pro-capitalist
>let me ignore all the working class people who vote Republican
>let me ignore all the lumpenproletariat scum that votes for bigger government higher taxes and more free shit

>>8711106
>the policy you're proposing has a consequence of funding a huge number of fucking useless degrees

No, I simply fund degrees. Nations have minimal control of what universities can teach.

Do you want to also advocate for more government regulation in universities that will restrict the creation of certain degrees? Great. More regulations is my fucking jam. Lets go, comrad.

>, just pointing out that that education is in no way necessary in the modern world.

Great. Then please drop out or burn your college degree and go out into the world with your prestigious high school diploma. Then in 5 years contact me and tell me how well you are doing at Burger King with no upwards mobility at all.

>>8711115
You misunderstood my post but that is kinda my fault.

Anyways, I am glad that I seem to have been spot-on when I predicted your job was at your daddy's firm.

Nice hard work there, pal.

>>8711103
a lot of people propose basic income but they actually tried it in the UK in the 19th century and it had a huge number of unintended consequences(i can prolly find the article if u want)

idk if mandatory sterilization for 90% of the population is a good option either

would decimate(literally) the population and what benefit does it provide if we dont have to fight over resources? plus that requires a pretty crazily authoritarian government and would certainly have unintended consequences(eg proliferation of fake work)

>>8711052
it's pretty obvious that you're a gullible teenage retard that just gobbled up all the bullshit your high school teachers fed you, and you have no real life experience.

fact is that most people don't belong in college. i can't personally speak for top universities, but in mediocre universities many of the students are barely literate and they only graduate because there is so many idiots in all the classes that they bring the average low enough allowing them to ride the curve and get a C.

what the fuck is the point of "educating" people like that? they don't learn anything. they just put off having to get a job for 4 years.

>>8711118
the government can just decide which degrees it wants to fund, doesnt sound that restrictive to me, universities can continue to provide luxury degrees to children whose parents are willing to pay for them

>>8711092
>your taxes are not going towards social programs
They are, though. Almost exclusively. You know why they aren't having an effect? Because there are less taxes being paid as many businesses have died under ever increasing tax burdens, our manufacturing industry is pretty much dead. Tax raises tend to wipe out the middle class, not the rich - the few really rich businessmen we had have long moved offshore or just gone illegal through various means. The end result is that even shit as basic as grocery store chains are all owned by foreigners. If I make potatoes and want to sell them to you, I have to go through foreign-owned distributors. The profit margins are so tight that not even a fucking chain of grocery stores can exist without being backed by a large foreign corporation.

What you socialist faggots don't understand is that pretty much every real world system is some sort of feedback loop. You raise taxes, you get consequences. A graph showing gross revenue over tax levels would not be a straight line.

>>8710718
He is gonna put LED screens on windows of an upturned bus attached to bags of cats and dogs that viciously eat each other to simulate a rocket taking off.

>>8711125
>it's pretty obvious that you're a gullible teenage retard that just gobbled up all the bullshit your high school teachers fed you, and you have no real life experience.

I am 19 years old and a sophomore studying pure mathematics.

>fact is that most people don't belong in college.

That is not my concern with free education. Like I said before, free education also implies free trade school and free whatever. AND you are also free to not do any post-highschool education if you want.

>in mediocre universities many of the students are barely literate and they only graduate because there is so many idiots in all the classes that they bring the average low enough allowing them to ride the curve and get a C.

Well, that is also not in any way related to free education. My free education does not say "retards have free education". It says "Everyone has free education if they desire it".

It is called equality. Now, if you want to increase the education level in high school and have harder admission tests for the SAT then we can also campaign for that together.

>what the fuck is the point of "educating" people like that? they don't learn anything. they just put off having to get a job for 4 years.

Well, among the people who would benefit some would be geniuses.

And remember, right now we live in a system where rich idiots can go through university, but poor geniuses (or at least above average learners) can't.

I want to fix that. Maybe I can't ban idiot rich people from going to university, but I can at least ensure that every poor smart person can go and that is good enough for me.

>>8711120
I work in exchange rate and I hate it. No matter. You're full of shit, don't feel like paying for your sociology degree.

>>8711107
I guess. I assumed what anon meant was "so much energy and food with so little work required that most people can simply live for free". What they don't understand is that resources in space ain't infinite either. It will take an absolute assload of resources and work to become s star fairing civilization, even if and when supporting a human on earth is trivial. I guess it's mostly the sort of unremarkable person who'd be fine with jacking off on earth till it gets fried by the sun. Hence why the mandatory sterilization - let these people exist, but don't allow supporting them to become our only purpose in life.

>>8711137
ha

>>8711118
>our businesses have died under ever increasing tax burdens, our manufacturing industry is pretty much dead

dont be such a chump, businesses have moved manufacturing abroad because an american worker costs 10x as much as a chinese worker and 20x as much as a vietnamese one

most businesses just evade taxes in the same way that the rich do, so cutting taxes makes a pretty small difference to them compared to labor costs

>>8711092
>Then your taxes are obviously not going towards social programs, so your high taxes have nothing to do with socialism, retard.
the bulk of the 15k i pay in property taxes per year goes to spic filled schools to provide them with free education and meals. the same schools that consistently score below state average.

this is not touching the state and federal taxes i also pay. how much taxes do you pay, you worthless leech? i'll be the first to support more social programs the day all worthless shitstains like you starve.

>>8711130
Sure. I am not against that. I just want free education as in every poor person can get a degree for free.

Restricting what those degrees can be is limiting but fine with me as long as the list is wide enough to support different kinds of talents. By that I mean, some STEM, some business and some art.

>>8711133
Clearly your politicians are fucking corrupt. If the country is so poor then they shouldn't even allow foreign companies to come in. Everything should be subsidized by the state, with national owners, so that the population can slowly grow richer.

Globalization killed your country, not socialism. Believe me, you are not the only poor country being taken advantage of by rich countries. That basically describes all of Africa.

>>8711147
Not my fault you hate your life. Socialism would help you, not hurt you.

Right now there are billions of dollars owned by rich people that have been inside of a bank for decades just multiplying and serving no use for no one.

All I want is to take that money and give it to you, but you won't let me.

>>8711155
>Socialism would help you

sure thing m8

just look at the wonders of socialism in Venezuela, with all that free education, housing, food, nearly free gas and electricity.

>>8711138
>And remember, right now we live in a system where rich idiots can go through university, but poor geniuses (or at least above average learners) can't.
what is FAFSA? what are merit based scholarships?

you have no clue what you're talking about, and this goes for your whole drivel filled post not just what i quoted.

God fucking damnit i just wish laws were properly applied in 3rd world shitholes.

>>8711154
>the bulk of the 15k i pay in property taxes per year goes to spic filled schools to provide them with free education and meals. the same schools that consistently score below state average.

Well, I am sure it sucks a little for you but just try to think for a second how much your life must suck so that you even qualify for those free education and meals.

Those kids are suffering more than you imagine giving them a little food and some education so that in the future they can at least compete is the best we can do. Your 15k are being well-spent.

>how much taxes do you pay, you worthless leech?

You know the answer to that. I am a fucking college student.

>>8711156
>just look at the wonders of socialism in Venezuela, with all that free education, housing, food, nearly free gas and electricity.

Venezuela's government was corrupt to the core. They milked the land's resources for themselves and gave the population pennies. That is not socialism.

Socialism implies that NO ONE gets too rich so that everyone is not too poor. If you have a rich political class then you are not a socialist country.

>it's a teenage retard that pays no taxes tells tax payers how their money should be spent episode
lmao

>>8711161
>what is FAFSA? what are merit based scholarships?

Well, think of my free education as simply expanding the scholarships system.

We are not giving you free education. We are giving you a scholarship!

Now, happy?

>>8711155
>Right now there are billions of dollars owned by rich people that have been inside of a bank for decades

billionaires have their wealth invested in stocks/investment banks, not a savings account. If you literally killed every billionaire on the planet and somehow was able to "seize" all their wealth, it would only amount to 2 years of the U.S. annual federal budget.

>>8711161
This, fafsa has me going uni for near free at any school

>>8711163
>my special true kind of socialism won't be corrupt to the core and produce misery and shortages unlike everyone other socialism before it

>corporations and rich business owners thrive and manipulate the system too much under capitalism!
>so let's go socialist and totally centralize power in one government that has official mandate to seize any resources they want at will

How the fuck do you idiots keep falling for this pipe dream

There's no way anyone genuinely thinks it "works" at this point, you've gotta just be bitter faggots who would rather everyone share in your misery and lack of achievement

>>8711138
>I am 19 years old and a sophomore studying pure mathematics.
You are a dumb kid studying a subject that doesn't qualify you to talk about any real world phenomenon. Teenagers like you, living in your ivory towers and thinking you know everything are a dime a dozen. You're literally the stereotype of the gullible college socialist.
>>8711124
They tried basic income in Rome too, and the result was 2 million mouths to feed in an age before refrigeration, railroads or steamships. Half the fucking empire was busy providing for this one giant cesspool that was contributing fuck-all. Not only that, but as living on basic in the city was easier than competing with the gigantic plantations of the patricians, the entire Italian countryside became devoid of free peasants. These people, whose forefathers had lived free with their own farms, property and choices, became a large amorphous population of bottom feeders living in fucking favelas, reliant entirely on grain shipments from Egypt and Syria. Starving in droves whenever something threatened their precarious life support system.

Great life that.

>>8711168
>billionaires have their wealth invested in stocks/investment banks, not a savings account.

Still, that money is serving too few people. All I want is for the government to take a cut and then distribute it among people who were born owning less than a diaper.

>>8711174
Well, socialism isn't corrupt. People are corrupt. Have uncorrupt politicians do socialism and then you'll be fine.

Look at Bernie. He is the least corrupt person in politics. For his past campaign, all of his funding came from small donations from individuals. Not a single corporation funded him.

>>8711163
it's not well spent because the schools constantly score below state average, and it's certainly not due to lack of funds or inept teachers. the percent of students that get free meals also shot up as the school district started getting flooded with spics. likewise, the performance of schools started dropping.

so don't tell me about my 15k per year being well spent when it's getting sucked up by worthless spawn of shitstains like you that will pay fewer taxes in their whole life than i do in a year, and i'm only in my mid 20s so far.

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>>8711180
>Well, socialism isn't corrupt. People are corrupt. Have uncorrupt politicians do socialism and then you'll be fine.

Do you not the a fundamental flaw in this plan?

>>8711179
>You are a dumb kid studying a subject that doesn't qualify you to talk about any real world phenomenon.

Like YOU would take my points more seriously if I were studying political science or sociology. If that was the case then you would just shout

>YOU WERE BRAINWASHED IN YOUR CLASSROOM. YOUR SJW HIPPY PROFESSORS BRAINWASHED YOU.

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>>8710814
fuck off nazi

>>8711181
>it's not well spent because the schools constantly score below state average

You shouldn't really expect people who live on handouts to be geniuses.

Your money may be helping them with education and food but in the end in the areas they live there is gang violence, drugs and other crap. They live in a culture where being smart is seen is as gay. They would be MUCH WORSE without your money being used to at least attach them to a learning facility. At least that way, against their will, when they go on to get a job they will some knowledge to compete.

The true sadness is that it would be way better to make you pay more taxes so that we can rebuild their neighbourhoods and more strongly fight crime in their neighbourhoods to destroy their shit culture.

>>8711184
My plan is have uncorrupt politicians do socialism. No flaw there, pal.

>Moon tourism rocket plan thread on a science board
>dozens of posts about political shit unrelated to the topic of the thread or the board.
Why are you all not ashamed?

>>8711198
You can separate people from politics, but you cannot separate politics from people.

>>8711195
This will never work because nobody wants to sacrifice itself for the greater good and there will always be a smart fucker trying to take advantage of this.
We are not ants, we can't work together to solve our problems, that's why mankind is doomed.

>>8711195
>my plan is to have uncorrupt politicians do socialism
>uncorrupt
you know that's not even a real word? I should post this on /pol so you can get your shit packed in for a few days of our own amusement

>>8711186
I would take you more seriously if you had any experience with real world examples. Even self-taught. It was clear this is the case from the start (or you would not be advocating socialism). I pointed out you match a stereotype - middle class kid going to uni, thinks he's smart but does not actually have any clue what's going on outside his bubble. Current year social sciences are not much better than math regarding this, btw.

>>8711211
>you know that's not even a real word?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/uncorrupt

I am so sorry your education was this shit. IF ONLY we pooled taxes from rich people to then make your school a better one so that you could learn more words like uncorrupt.

What a tragedy.

> I should post this on /pol so you can get your shit packed in for a few days of our own amusement

Post it if you want for all I care. All everyone would take from this is that in the end you are an illiterate faggot who wants to stop me from getting the funds needed to give you a better education.

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>>8711180
>>8711180
REE THIS MAN

>>8711115
>lumpenproletariat
>voting

pick one

>>8711180
>all i want is the government to take a cut and distribute it among people
Because that worked so well in Russia right? When you take from everyone, eventually no one has anything left to take
>socialism isn't corrupt
Then go to a socialist country and stop being a fucking degenerate in my country. Only lazy niggers talk about socialism like it's a great thing. Competition too much for you to handle? You just want everything easy and free? Fuck you. Get a job, pay taxes, work hard; and lift weights because when the inevitable civil war begins, when the neolib communists finally step up their game from chimped out protesting to action, I'm going to snap your scrawny commie neck and there won't be a damn thing you can do to stop me.

>>8710945

NASA awarded a contract in return for a launch service. Said launch service has been provided.

It is subsidizing if a government-owned office building buys supplies form a paper company, moron?

>>8711235
>Because that worked so well in Russia right?

Russia was communism. We are talking about socialism.

>Then go to a socialist country and stop being a fucking degenerate in my country.

Sure. I guess I'll fly to the US because daily reminder that free healthcare = socialism.

>I'm going to snap your scrawny commie neck and there won't be a damn thing you can do to stop me.

No need. We won't go into a civil war. We are intellectuals, we will seize power through politics and diplomacy. War is for unenlightened brainlet capitalists.

>>8711242
>free healthcare
by and far the worst thing to ever happen to our economy. it crushed small business.

>intellectuals
hah. hah. hah. literally retarded anon, if you're so intellectual why is the left acting like africans right now with all their bullshit protesting, shilling, fake news, and rioting? i literally can't remember the last time the right ever behaved like this.

you guys rioted and destroyed things when obama won. you guys rioted and destroyed things when hillary lost.

>>8711242
Come over and make a thread on /pol. I use the same name, you'll easily be able to find me. I legitimately challenge you to do so.

>>8711248
>it crushed small business.

How so?

> if you're so intellectual why is the left acting like africans right now with all their bullshit protesting, shilling, fake news, and rioting?

Well, the leftist establishment wanted to put in power a capitalist maniac (that one you call Shillary) and then lost terribly to a populist. Now they are taking all of their supporters and encouraging them to deligitimize Trump by any means.

It is sad but what can you do. What is important is that you recognize that those people are from the CORPORATE, CORRUPT side of the american left.

But us? Just google Justice Democrats. We want to get money out of politics. We do not support Hillary. We do not support Obama. We support Papa Bernie.

>>8711249
Why would I make a post on /pol/. I already have this post here and I care about /sci/ more.

>>8711250
are you fucking daft? they couldn't afford to keep employees on and cover their healthcare. medium sized business and up struggled, large corporations were fine.

but small mom and pop outfits? do you even have any idea how much it cost them per employee each month to pay for their healthcare? not to mention it moved full time down from 40 hours, which in turn forced them to either pinkslip or radically reduce their labor pools which means less pay for employees, less productivity in a work weak, and less profit. are you fucking dumb?

>>8711250
>We want to get money out of politics.
>by concentrating even more money in the hands of politicians

>>8711255
What's wrong sweetie? You don't want to discuss politics anymore? Because if you do, we should move to the politics board and stop shitting up the science boards.

Are you afraid or something?

>>8711259
Well, I am so sorry now those businesses have to give healthcare to their dying employees.

I feel so bad for them. Holy shit. Now they are a couple of hundreds of dollars less rich each year! This is truly the greatest tragedy of the 21st century.

That said.................

This could be fixed by raising taxes more on the wealthy so that they cover the money paid now by small businesses.

>>8711260
Getting money out of politics means getting big donors out of politics so that politicians will not act in the interest of the rich and will instead care about the poor who pay their salary via taxes.

>>8711266
I am here lol. Discussing "politics".

I'll throw you a bone. If you start a thread and link it here I will show up.

>>8710718

Two rich people approached Elon and requested a flight around the Moon. Elon, who's company has built a capsule designed to survive multiple reentries from interplanetary velocities called Dragon 2 and a rocket capable of launching more payload into orbit than any other called Falcon Heavy, said sure, but it'll need to wait until 2018.

The cost of launching a Falcon Heavy is targeted towards $90 million with no reuse, but lets be pessimistic and say it costs $150 million. I don't know any cost figures for Dragon 2 but it'd almost certainly be much lower than the cost of Falcon Heavy so we'll take another (probably pessimistic) estimate of around $60 million. Add another $10 million for other costs like two space suits, food supplies, misc. launch an telemetry services, etc, and the total cost of the mission becomes something like $220 million total, or $110 million per rich guy. This is very affordable to a large number of rich people.

The flight plan of Dragon 2 is as follows; Dragon 2 will be launched by Falcon Heavy and boosted directly onto a Moon intercept trajectory, which will have the capsule skim several hundred kilometers away from the surface of the Moon, then be slingshot by the Moon's gravity+vector motion onto a free-return trajectory, where the capsule will continue up away from Earth past the Moon for a short while, then will reach apoapsis and begin falling back towards Earth, hitting the upper atmosphere and using the capsules aerodynamic lift to steer and bleed off speed until it has slowed to subsonic speeds and can deploy parachutes, or is the mission is more ambitious, attempt propulsive landing with the Superdraco engines. Course corrections throughout the mission will be performed by the much smaller Draco maneuvering thrusters on the capsule, following calculations determined by the capsules computers reading the telemetry data and adjusting to keep things on the right flight plan.

The whole trip will last about a week.

>>8711269
dying employees?? i'm talking about landscaping businesses, corner stores, small grocery markets. They're not sick or dying what the fuck are you talking about?

also, try hundreds of dollars a month PER employee. that's why they had to close up shop, they couldn't make any money

bump for thread link m8

>>8711195
actually, the areas my properties are in are all solid blue collar areas with well below average crime, but they have been experiencing a major demographic shift for the past decade or so due to all the hispanics moving in.

>>8711285
he's just a fucking idiot, like all teenagers that support socialism, so he can only argue through hyperbole because otherwise he would have no arguments at all.

it's funny how those who have nothing to give, and give nothing, are such big proponents of socialism.

>>8711259
>they couldn't afford to keep employees on and cover their healthcare. medium sized business and up struggled, large corporations were fine.
im not pro-soc but this meme is pretty much bullshit, small business was out-competed by large business which could use monopoly pricing/purchasing, economies of scale, and vertical integration to outperform small business on pretty much all metrics. You could completely remove the social safety net and all associated taxes rn and small business would still be dead(probably more dead, because mom & pop store won't be able to competed with waltirement(TM) plan where you can retire at 85.

>>8711368
true what you said about large business making it tough on small business, but what little bit they had was made 10x harder when this happened.

i was a small business banker with WF when it happened, and i had tons of clients go out of business and many more had radical down sizing to stay in business.

a lot of them were construction guys and start ups

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>>8710814
>Genocide the 1%
>Other bourgeoisie take their place immediately
>Nothing changes and you get convicted of war crimes

>>8710814
>implying Trump hasn't been talking about going back to the moon
>implying Musk isn't an american businessman
>implying this won't be a win for american exceptionalism
>even if you dispute this Trump is going to take credit anyways

Has to be Americans. ITAR would make it very difficult to allow foreigners.

If 2 people want to give SpaceX hundreds of millions of dollars to use a Falcon Heavy and a Dragon2. Then let them. It is more money for SpaceX to use and more data for SpaceX.

>>8711283
You are going to reuse everything except the 2nd stage so it needn't be that much

>>8712261
ITAR is something directly from the federal government? So Trump could just change it/change enforcement with an EO or instructing the department of state to allow vetted foreigners to come do necessary work

>>8710818
Zuckerberg won't do it because like, Gates, his wife has him firmly by the balls, and he won't spend money on anything besides rape prevention for girls in rural Congo.

My guess would have been James Cameron, but Musk said it was nobody from Hollywood.

>>8712281
there is no fucking way Trump is going to let some foreigners steal this potential MAGA PR.

>>8712294
its gonna be the google guys.

>>8712307
Are they MGTOW?

>>8712276
>You are going to reuse everything except the 2nd stage
Have they said that? I think this will likely cost the center stage as well.

>>8712276

My point was that even in the overly pessimitic cost estimate I laid out the whole mission wouldn't cost more than a couple hundred million dollars, which is already dirt cheap when it comes to a manned Moon flyby. A Falcon Heavy has a stated price of only $90 million, and I doubt Dragon 2 will end up costing more than $20 million. Even if we leave the price of everything else as $10 million, the total price would drop to just $120 million or $60 million apiece.

That's without any reuse of the cores.

>>8712351
>I doubt Dragon 2 will end up costing more than $20 million.
I think they charge more like $60 million for it.

Don't assume spacecraft are cheaper than launch vehicles just because they're smaller. Dragon 2 will have 26 bipropellant rocket engines on it, as well as long in-space lifetime, precise navigation capability, environmental control, life support, EDL, etc.

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>comes into thread looking for cool space shit
>sees that 3/4 of the thread is /pol/ commie v. capitalist BS
>mfw

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>>8710814
Let's see
>in capitalism you get small funding from the government and are able to eventually support yourself
>the public pays a small amount at the start but gets it all back with interest after the bussiness starts operating in full

Vs

>in communism you get the same amount of funding but have to starve your population in order to send a dog into space
>the public get to smile as they watch rockets fly and they die from lack of heat and food which never recovers because the space agency aren't allowed to make money and must be funded by the government

Hmmmm....

>>8712457
Again, that was an optimistic estimate. My pessimistic estimate from my previous post was $60 million.

i bet more people try to sign up the closer it gets to actually happening.

how many billionaires can you take to the moon?

>>8712529
>Again, that was an optimistic estimate.
It wasn't presented as one in the first place. You described your previous estimate as "the overly pessimitic cost estimate" and then started saying things like, "I doubt Dragon 2 will end up costing more than". So it was presented as your realistic estimate.

Anyway:
>A Falcon Heavy has a stated price of only $90 million
That's for up to 8 tonnes to GTO, only about a third of the advertised capacity, which probably allows landing all three cores. Throwing Dragon around the moon is a challenging launch, and with crew on it, it they would probably want as much margin as possible for mission assurance.

I don't think $220 million is a pessimistic estimate at all. I think it's a realistic estimate when you factor in the R&D they'll need to do to be confident of the mission going well (first Dragon deep space mission and high-energy atmospheric entry). Cargo Dragon launches are around $125 million, and that's unmanned, with a good recovery opportunity, and only one Falcon 9 lower stage.

>>8712561
SpaceX already has the test launch of the Falcon Heavy on their schedule with no known payloads competing for it. The test launch could potentially be purposed as a dry run for this tourist plan, without adding significantly to the established R&D budget.

>>8712573
Mission R&D mostly isn't practice launches, it's people analysing stuff and running tests and simulations on the ground.

And the test launch is almost certainly going to be lightly loaded so all three stages can be recovered.

>>8712561
>high-energy atmospheric reentry

Even their current Dragon module has a heat shield designed to withstand reentry from interplanetary velocity, the only R&D required on that front is to verify the performance on an unmanned flight. As the other anon suggested this unmanned flight could be the debut of Falcon Heavy, or could occur on a different mission, and would just involve lobbing the capsule onto a high orbit after which it would reenter and land.

>>8711453
your personal anecdotes aside, there are plenty of small business statistics and there hadnt been any massive die off from obamacare, there was one from the economic collapse, but that was several years earlier

>>8713475
>Let's just ignore the guy reduced his salary to $1
I'd like to, but these fanbois keep making threads on /sci/

>>8712955
>Even their current Dragon module has a heat shield designed to withstand reentry from interplanetary velocity, the only R&D required on that front is to verify the performance on an unmanned flight.
Well, that's a whole launch of Falcon Heavy + Dragon, and it's only a single launch if everything goes well. If they do this, it basically doubles the cost. I don't think they will. I think the customers will want a ride on the first try and take their chances.

Your thinking about R&D is too much about hardware, and not enough about mission planning and control systems. Dragon might be capable of interplanetary EDL, but that doesn't mean they can just belly-flop into the atmosphere at any angle and it just works. They have to hit the right angle and then actively fly it in. If they want a precise landing, they might need to do a skip or even aerobrake and circularize to LEO.

>As the other anon suggested this unmanned flight could be the debut of Falcon Heavy
...and as I explained, it won't be. They'd probably have to expend the center core, they'll want to land all three, and they'll want to minimize the chance of anything embarassing happening, rather than push the limits of what FH can do.

>>8713740
>I think the customers will want a ride on the first try and take their chances.

thats like some stupid brave

>>8713753
Not really. It'll still be a proven capsule on a proven launcher.

And the test run would probably cost something like $200 million, which would be coming out of the customers' own pockets. Anyway, just because it goes right once is no guarantee that it'll go right the second time.

>>8713790
>just because it goes right once is no guarantee that it'll go right the second time

But it'd sure be reassuring, having it never be done before doesn't guarantee it's going to work either.

>>8710814
I just wanted to congratulate you on the enormity of your bait's success.