>going to university to study books you can purchase for 2

>too dumb to get into uni so shitposts on 4chan

Do brainlets actually do this?

Naw I didn't, I Clepped out of every class required in my degree

Universities hate me

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>>8662103

Oh, come on. Think OP, think!

Books are not the reason people attend university.

Take another guess or be more forward about the conversation you want to have.

>>8662103
>too dumb to go to university for free so had to shill the "i'm an auto-didact" meme to attempt to compensate

the truth must hurt, OP

Makes sense, too bad your plan only works up to introductory analysis/algebra. After that you need a tutor pretty much. And you don't get a degree saying you know the stuff either.

>>8662124
>After that you need a tutor pretty much
Fucking moron.

>>8662129
How do I know you haven't gotten past baby rudin

>>8662131
Your claim is fucking retarded.

>you need a tutor pretty much

Wow, so you're telling me that undergraduates and graduate math students need tutors to learn stuff in their classes after their first year? What if they want to learn [insert relatively advanced and obscure topic]? There's no tutors for that! I guess they're fucked, right?! Not like they can read a textbook or papers all by themselves. It's incredible that any original research gets done!

>>8662106
>>8662111
>>8662117
t. Buttmad grad students

>>8662124
>Brainlet needs daddy's help

OP
> I am an employer
>You are applying for a position
>This is an interview
>Convince me to give you the job even though you have no diploma, experience, or any way to prove that you know the material.

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>>8662222
>Buttmad?

Might as well call us stinky poo-poo heads. Boring af.

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>>8662103
>Not just reading wikipedia

I feel for you, more than you could possibly imagine

>>8662736
>proceed to explain him in detail Bogdanov's PhDs
>get hired as Director immediately.

Name three world renowned self taught mathematicians

Name three self taught men earning more than $100k (and I mean truly self taught, not entrepreneurs with money who can hire someone else to do the hard work)

>>8662752
d-does Ramanujan count?

And that guy from that movie...

>>8662745
You feel bad for others because they don't solely read everything from an online encyclopedia whose purpose is to give people basic, introductory knowledge of concepts? Why?

>>8662750
>bogdanov
got damn

>>8662103
why teach yourself for $2 when you can be paid to learn from very effective teachers?

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>>8662750
>>8662760
Can someone give me the rundown on these gentlemen?

>>8662754
Ramanujan counts I guess, but he lived through years of extreme poverty due to his lack of college degree and he only got noticed because he was a super genius.

>>8662766
they're the latest edition of jew conspiracy deflection memes

>>8662752
Ramanujan
Green
Heaviside
Blaise Pascal
Fermat (he was a lawyer, studied math as a hobby).

and many more (but they are more obscure, still they probably would give you a run for your money you fucking brainlet).

>>8662776
>Ramanujan
See above.

>Heaviside
Great, he is a very good example. But it is good to mention that he already had a job in the telegraph industry to give him experience. He wasn't fully 100% self taught. I would even say that if it weren't for that job, he wouldn't have done any work on transmission line theory.

>Green
Yup, good.

>Pascal
Literally Ramanujan levels of genius.

>Fermat
Well, we are talking about fully self taught so he doesn't count. Going to school, even for another degree, gives you experience and maturity.


So basically the consensus should be that if you're a genius the likes of which there are only a handful alive at each point in time, sure don't waste your time with college. But for the rest of us brainlets university is our best bet.

>>8662794
well ok, but the OP literally said

>Do brainlets actually do this?

so yeah we brainlets do it. Maybe OP is a super genius. I suposse the jest was that.

>>8662103
here is my philosophy on going to university, if you have to spend a single dime for your education, you're not college material

>>8662103
Secondhand is either free in a PDF or $80+ for a rental. Clearly never came close to a college.

Most my textbooks were sponsored/presents for passing entrance and other exams.

Sold most of them to colleagues outside of uni.

>>8662833
>selling your textbooks
for what purpose?

>>8662833

They were on fringe subject and professors script often provided sufficient info.

>>8662842
>tfw even my somewhat conservative grandfather says that books are needed only to look good on the shelf in the office/at home
His reasoning is that if you actually need something you'd download it on internet anyway. So far, he's been right.

>>8662750
>I am employer
>I could not care less
>You don't get the job

College is mostly valid because of a diploma that proves that you know stuff.

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>>8662750
damn he's good

>>8662103
You aren't going to get anywhere studying math by yourself. In the end, you need university connections to get into a PhD program and post doc position.

>>8662103
I don't go to university to learn; I go to get piece of paper that will prove my competence to employers.

>>8662826
>Maybe OP is a super genius

Except that he isn't. OP probably is some insecure 18 year old guy who didn't get into university and is now trying to convince himself he doesn't need to while reading an introductory analysis book.

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>>8662750
Suppose I'm looking hire someone for some position that requires education, and involves responsibility. You don't have a degree, and also don't have a proven track record in the field.

Even if you completely and totally convince me that you know your shit, I'm still not hiring you if there's any other option. The reason is that if I hire you and you fuck up, then as the person who hired an uneducated, inexperienced candidate, I am on the hook.

I don't care that much man, I'm just here to do my job so I can pay my rent and live my life. I'm not sticking my neck out for you. Go do something to prove your merit, and then come talk to me.

>>8662103

>textbooks 2 dollars secondhand

no

What if you learn everything in books then go to college for a month to pass all the tests and get the degree

>>8662750
>implying you'd even get to the interview

>>8663376
No serious college/university allows that.
Maybe you could get away with lower division classes:
> Mechanics
> Electromagnetism
> Differential equations
> Anything else that has AP credit for it

But they will not accept any junior7senior level classes. The reason is simple. Most of those classes require labs. And it is practically impossible for an individual to access those lab materials without millions of dollars.

>>8662103
>>going to university to study books you can pirate for free
Do brainlets actually do this?

>>8662103
Nah I pirate

>>8663566
>Most of those classes require labs
are you retarded. its all the lower division classes like physics I and electrical circuits that have the labs. There's no labs for combustion physics or mechanical vibrations.

>impossible for an individual to access those lab materials without millions of dollars
I think the most expensive piece of equipment I ever used was an oscilloscope from the 1800s.

>>8662842
money

>>8662103
>"self teaching" STEM thinking you can make any amount of money without a degree

Do NEETs actually do this?

>>8662766
>>8663066

I keep seeing these two fags getting posted all over the place.

Can someone please give me a quick rundown?

>>8663966
You are either really wrong or went to a terrible university.
High-level engineering classes require labs with wind tunnels, signal processors, material analysis tools, etc.
Material is extremely expensive, and I am not only talking about hardware.
Any respectable STEM degree should teach you how to use specialized software. Which is really expensive (like thousands of dollars a license).

>>8662103
DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW

>>8663143
This.
>>8662103
Also, you literally just copied the line from Good Will Hunting because that's how you see yourself after reading one textbook on like intro calc or some shit

>>8662794
Maxwell too.

>>8664029
yes, refer here: http://quickrundown.club/

>>8664448
what the heck?

In case of theoretical subjects you go to a university for the degree and in case you're doing any kind of research the free journal access. As well as the necessary affiliation in order to publish papers and go to conferences and stuff.

In techical subjects you also go for the lab experience.

>mfw all the brainlets in this thread unable to justify going to university beyond ""y-you wont get the book unless you have a teacher!!!!"

lmao, embarrassing

>>8664960
OP, any serious job requires a college degree nowadays.
Prove me otherwise.

>>8665993
Enjoy, brainlet:

http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#developer-profile-education

>>8666001
Ok, let's look at those stats.
Your graph merely refers to the total number of developers, it says nothing about their position, salary, or age.
The truth is, even in software, you still need a college degree if you want to thrive further than the code-monkey stage.
And that's just in general. No one will trust a self-taught coder with simulations or anything that requires serious data analysis. Forget about scientific programming, government assignments, or big companies. Sure, exceptions exist. But as I said, most of those exceptions will work their whole lives as a code-monkey capping at around 80K. And that's until the company moves further, and then a guy fresh out of college gets your job.

And that's just software. Because most jobs are not in it. And most of those jobs DO require a degree. Things like chemistry, engineering, law, etc. Without a degree given by a recognized university/college it would be illegal for you to work in those jobs.

Call me a brainlet if that makes you feel better. But most probably you are just a kid in undergrad or out of college because he could not get in. If you want to know about jobs, you have to look for them. So go search them in job boards and check the qualifications. And you will see that the ones with the better salary always (99%) require a college degree.
So what about the other 1%? You would either need to be a genius and nail the interview (if you even get there) or have 30 years of experience. But as I said before, you probably don't have it.
So, OP, are you a genius? Since you are saying that university is worthless, you probably are not.

>>8666219
>Your graph merely refers to the total number of developers, it says nothing about their position, salary, or age.


"Mommy, h-how do I scroll up and down da page??? I poo poo my panties!"

What a fucking imbecile.

>>8665993
69% of developers are PARTLY self taught, not only self taught. Only 13% of developers are self taught. 43% have at least a degree.

>>8662103
University is not about learning unless you are retarded. Its about getting a group of people with credibility to tell some other group of people that you are qualified for a job in their group. That is it. You cant get it from self education, its just something you have to pay for if you want to make good money.

>>8666273
>still unable to read a survey

Embarrassing.

>>8662103
>buying $2 books
>not using free pdf

brainlets actually do this

>>8666244
Cool story bro.
Now give me a well thought reply to the rest of the post.
> Brainlet filter ahead OP
Also, ask yourself if you know what arxiv.org is without copying and pasting the URL.
If you know, then answer (you have read a research paper).
If you don't, then you are unqualified to talk about how to self-teach yourself.

>>8662103
>Do brainlets actually do this?

in case you aren't trolling deliberately my answer is as follows:

In order to practice engineering as a licensed professional (the kind that makes money) you need to have a minimum of a 4 year degree in engineering in the correct field of engineering from an accredited university. Then you have to pass an exam that is the sum total of everything you learned in your degree program. Then you have to have 4 years of qualifying work experience under the supervision of a professionally licensed engineer. Then you have to pass another exam demonstrating your competence in the field of engineering you intend to practice professionally. Than you are an engineer (well the real kind anyways).

That whole process starts with the requirement to go to an accredited university.

>>8666395
It's already in my bookmarks 'STEM' folder, brainlet.

Embarrassing, showing off a widely known weblink.

>>8666449
>in the correct field of engineering
is this bait? you do not need to be in the """"correct"""" field so long as you have been accredited. by that logic you would need to do 4 years of study every time a new piece of tech came around.

>>8666453
Ok, now reply to the post. And give a good, logical answer. That is: an series of arguments defending why college is stupid, then a conclusion. So far you have only talked about software (and did a terrible job).
But again, you are probably a 20 year old who could not get into college and who has no real life experience working in a technical field. So I really do not expect much.
I still have not heard a good answer other than you trying to show off about not needing college.

>>8666449
This

>>8666470
>"And give a good, logical answer."
>Proceeds to ad hominem his way through the entire post

Really made me think

>>8666449
Thank you for enlightening us on the study path of brainlet degrees.

>>8664960
to prove to employers that you have aquired the theoretical knowledge, practical experience (engineering), and social, time and project management skills that they want you to have. it is important to also note that a degree also indicates a minimum level of all round personal development form being in a worklike environment that is valuable to employers.

>>8666789
>What is an internship?

Lmao, imagine being such a dork/brainlet that you have to rely on your degree to get hired and not your people skills

>>8667228
Most employers will also want you to have internship or co-op since work experience is much more important than book knowledge when doing a job.
However, you will only get an internship if you are in college. No serious company will give a full-time position to someone with no credentials. Software is the only exception, and even then you would need to have worked in great projects in the past.

>>8666473
And yet you have not given a single argument that supports your opinion.

>>8666596
Anyone who thinks engineering is for brainlets:
a) Has never worked in his entire life
b) Has no idea of what engineering is

Btw. Engineering mathematics is easy, you are correct, but that is because engineering is not about rigour or proving things. The difficult classes in engineering are not supposed to be the math, physics, or chemistry, those are freshmen classes.
No, difficult classes are materials, fluids, or parallel programming. Unless, of course, you went to a terrible university or had a hard time in High School math.

>>8667947
>You will only get an internship if you are in college

Lmaooooooo

This fucking academia dork thinks everyone applies to Google straight outtakes college. Protip, big companies are shit and you won't develop whatsoever in that environment.

>>8668133
Nice job centering your argument on one sentence while ignoring the rest.
Very convenient, isn't it?
I am still looking for a useful argument. Until then, your opinion is just an opinion.

Read that:
>>8663138
This is what anyone in industry or academia thinks about a guy with no credentials.

>>8666789
You could just make something the without a doubt proves you're capable in the field you want a job in

>mfw /sci/LARPers think you need a degree to get an internship or job

Lmao, retards don't even know what a 'Portfolio' or 'Github' is LMAO

>tfw learning biology and trigonometry from library books

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>>8666001
>developer
>serious job

>>8666337
This

>>8662103
>buying books
Clearly you haven't gone to university or don't understand how it works there

>not jumping through hoops to gain legitimacy
>not using free pdfs

>>8662124
>After that you need a tutor pretty much

Maybe if you're mentally challenged. Anyone should be able to learn intermediate and advanced math, stats, physics, etc. on their own through textbooks and the nearly unlimited online resources at most people's disposal.

In fact that's what I'm doing right now finishing up my degree, because the uni I go to despite being ranked in the top 20 worldwide has some of the worst profs in the world. Makes me wonder what my money's really going into if I'm forced to skip classes because my teachers can't teach.

>>8670647
they probably hire professors who do great research regardless of their teaching. this is common at high ranked schools

>>8670657
This.

>>8670647
>Makes me wonder what my money's really going into
being accredited by a school with rigorous and challenging testing
and >muh alumni

professors at high ranked schools can't teach because professors at high ranked schools get tenure based on research not by teaching metrics.

>>8670647
>Makes me wonder what my money's really going into if I'm forced to skip classes because my teachers can't teach.


The answer is right here: >>8670657

You're going to school so that you can talk to the profs and get them to like you so that you have a job after you graduate.

>>8664960
I've tried both self-teaching and going to school, I got to say going to school makes learning a lot easier.

At heart I'm a very lazy person, so school has the huge advantage of being able to point me straight towards the information I seek.
It would be a huge pain in the ass to, for example, find the country-based standards that are relevant to me or my field by myself.
It would be a an even greater pain in the ass to find out what all the other things I need to learn in order to do my job, are.
You can't really know what your future job entails unless someone (a teacher) tells it to you or you actually get the job before you are even qualified for it.
And by that I don't mean "hurr you can't know nothing", of course everyone has a rough idea about the job they want to have, but if you just follow that rough idea you're likely to end up with severe gaps in your knowledge because you simply didn't know those gaps were a thing.

Also, I'm a power engineer. In my country I'm legally obliged to obtain a relevant college degree and have at least 2 years of working experience with high voltage electricity before I'm allowed to actually do my job without supervision. I'd like to see the person who tries to self-teach themselves into this field.

I haven't bought a textbook for 2 years. I never need them or use them. Anyone else the same?

>>8671525

Found almost all of them online for all four years I was in undergrad. Saved thousands.

My senior year, I ALMOST had to buy my complex analysis text. Just couldn't find it online. Then I when to the store, and saw it was $350. Worked real fucking hard to find it then.

>>8670647
I feel this desu
Most lectures just kill me, I write down what they say but only understand half, might aswell study at home and actually get what I gotta know even if it means reading the book twice

>>8664415
>specialised software
>wolfram mathematica
Is my uni shit or are you trolling?