I have an idea. Supposedly the rocket equation implies that the

>>8597013
so why doesn't the LHC fly away it shoots a few protons at almost light speed??

>>8597079
too little protons, obviously need a bit more, theres obviously a balance, im not an engineer but also not an idiot without doing any math but looking at the basic principle its obvious you can do better

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>>8597013
Trolling?
>americans invented rocketry
uhh

>lol explode stuff under uss
That's why you have nozzles. It direct's the explosion to get the optimal kick. There are different nozzles for atmosphere and vacuum.
The only project with the uncontrolled explosions under the vessel was Orion (with the a-bombs).

The ion drives accelerate ions to great speeds. There is little mass used. Those engines are very efficient. Unfortunately the force they apply is low, so it's only usefull in space on unmanned probes.

Now if you come up with a mass driver engine that works - give us a call.

>>8597104
>mass driver engine that works
has anyone tried this?

>>8597104
HAHAHAHAH, ARE YOU IMPLYING NORTH KOREA INVENTED ROCKETRY? HAHAHA AMERICANS WENT TO THE MOON AND MARS FOR AT LEAST 40 YEARS AND YOU IMPLY SOMETHING SO WRONG. FEELS GOOD TO BE SUPERIOR

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>>8597013
WAIT WAIT WAIT!!! I know op is trolling but i just came up with a genius idea...

so the idea is that mass is limited right? then why not reuse the mass then!!!! RECYCLE IT!! i know this is mad but its SO MAD IT MIGHT JUST ACTUALLY WORK.


You have one big spacecraft docked to a small spacecraft,

>>8597135
nevermind the written explanation just look at the pic

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>>8597121
Not to my knowledge. Although the ion engine is the minimum-propellant-version of this idea. Also the NERVA nuclear thermal engine. They used nuclear energy to heat the gas before ejecting it. This meant more energy out of the same amount of fuel but also heavier engine.

I don't think shitting bullets would get you far.

The other way arount - there were ideas of a mass driver on Earth to speed up a vessel on a track, and then release it. But to get through the atmosphere, you would need to start with a speed in which you would melt in the atmosphere.

>>8597135
Not usable in atmosphere. In space using planets as slingshots is easier.

>>8597126
YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I MENT.

>>8597013
That's the principle of ion drives. You end up with very little thrust, but since you're using very little mass, you can keep up the acceleration for a long period of time.

As for lifting large rockets, that's not going to work because it takes an awful lot of energy to make particles move very quickly.

>>8597097
>but also not an idiot
Highly doubtful.

>>8597214
>an awful lot of energy
beam the energy or use a long cable

>>8597238
Cables can't transmit enough energy. Also not very good if you want to send a rocket into space. Same problem with "beaming."

>>8597013
Photon rockets have infinite specific impulse but deliver extremely low thrust/watt

>>8597238
There was actually some testing of a laser-fired rocket. A laser on the ground shot at some reactive material at the base of the rocket causing the reaction and lift. It's been several years and we're not seeing it use, so it obviously has some issues.

>>8597666
>It's been several years and we're not seeing it use, so it obviously has some issues.
lol haha, youre probably the kind of people who think "redpilling" is a bad word

why do you think that after 80 years of electric cars being proven objectively superior to bring a golden age of human dawn into cultural history that they just now start to electrice cars?

>>8597013
The Germans came up with rockets in ww2 btw

>>8597013
you met a nerd, congratulations

>>8597699
Goddard

>>8597699
Werner von Braun

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>>8597835
>>8597802
>>8597699
>>8597013
bitch, please

>>8597104
>Trolling?
>>americans invented rocketry
>uhh

>Goddard

The Germans did a hell of a lot better, but they had goddard's work to start with.

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>>8597303
no, the specific impulse is c/g

>>8598836
If we're getting specific...
Goddard did liquid-fuel rockets.

The concept of "rocket" has been around since ancient China.