Why aren't you getting a PhD in pharmacology, /sci/? >5th

Pharmaceuticals is fun as shit, but I'm not sure what sub-field of pharmaceutical research I want to specialize in.

Will it get me suspended on twitter though

>>8590551
Probably nothing so obscure you can't get funding, but nothing that every pharmacologist
and their mother is working to cure either

>>8590543
What would would be a good Bsc and MA for this. I have AAA in maths, physics, and chemistry from 3 years ago. Thinking about going to uni in September.

>>8590579
Probably pharmacology, or molecular biology or something.

>>8590579
I'd say forget the MA and get a BSc in a biological science, focus on getting good research
experience, grades, GREs, and extracirriculars in about that order and go for the PhD.

Even if the extra 2-3 years of school sounds awful to you, it's worth it if it's funded.

>>8590543
I don't think it's moral to profit off of the sick, and don't want to spend my life in a lab.

anyone know any good pharmacology research papers?

>>8590600
>millennials falling for the "tech good, big pharma evil" meme

Just as predicted.

>>8590594
what kind of ECs are important for PhD programs?

>>8590600
allowing sick people to live is so evil

>>8591781
Don't listen to >>8590594
Look at some graduate schools and see what their preferred undergraduate degrees are. You will find most want a subject like pharmacology, cell biology or molecular biology.

I like math and I'd rather do a PhD in math.

>>8591808
Making a profit of sickness is evil.
There should be no profit motive in pharmacology. Set the pay to a maximum of 12 000 USD/month, and price the drugs so it only covers the wages and infrastructure costs. Above all, ban price gouging and have a federal authority fix the prices.

It works in Europe, with labs like Sanofi still being big players.

>>8591940
>invent ground breaking drug that cures a horrible disease
>die near penniless because you only make 70k a year as a lab tech and you cannot sell your IP
Ah, it must be great to be European!

>>8591931
Yeah I know I'm studying biochemistry with a decent but inproveable GPA
I had just never heard someone recommend ECs for PhD programs before, I was just concerned because I'm Canadian and want to go to the states for grad school and I'm not interested in most of the ECs offered at my school besides volunteering at the hospital because I'm keeping med as an option too lel

>>8590543
I wish I had done undergrad in Pharmacology, thb. Instead I did meme majors Math and CS. Now I'm stuck with a life of hopefully getting a job at a national lab after I finish my PhD in CSE

>>8591940
Gee that would attract so many investors /s

>>8590543
>>5th highest-paying PhD, will probably rise higher after the field becomes undersaturated due to millennials falling for the "tech good, big pharma evil" meme
No it won't. Half the people in my program for undergrad were trying to get pharma jobs, or into any sort of pharma grad school. It's saturated as fuck.
>interesting af field if you have even a slight interest in biology or chemistry (or physics if you want to specialize in pharmacokinetics)
Not for me.

>>8591940
>and price the drugs so it only covers the wages and infrastructure costs.
It's another episode of mouth-breathing millenial doesn't understand a thing about the world.

>>8591940
i realize this is just trolling but it's really pathetic how many people IRL think that new medicines and techniques would be developed if there wasn't profit as a motivating factor. It's like they think new kinds of insulin will just fall out of their asses

>>8591976
>>8591976
>>8591974
My mother worked in Pharmacology (biostatistical analysis) but ok
In France the price of every drug is regulated and yet we have good industry.

We don't need more Martin Shrekli.

>>8591940
Lmao, it's not the phds getting rich off of sickness - it's the business execs, who rarely hold more than an MBA.

Medical doctors are paid way more than phds, desu, but the business execs are still the real culprits (millions a year vs 100-300k)

18 y/o here, Shkreli-san has legit inspired my to go into pharma. I'm gonnna do molecular biology!

>>8591990
Medial doctors in public hospitals also have their wages regulated (max 15 000€/month). Private hospitals are free to do as wanted.
It benefits everyone.

The

>>8591963

From most to least valuable the ECs you're looking for are research, internships, volunteering, and leadership.

>>8590543
Shkreli is a patent troll and doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as people who apply their lives/talents to discovering medicines.

Why didn't I study pharmacology? I'm not interested in it -- that simple.

>>8592050
God why do people idolise him.

>>8591990
Yeah shkreli didnt. People think they will be like him by being stem but its really business and shkreli clearly just very smart and ruthless

>>8592837
He did a series of lessons on general chemistry that you can find on youtube and it's decent
also, far as I can tell, he's pretty much a self-made man
though, how anyone would be interested in studying chemistry/pharmacology due to his influence is weird since his bachelor's degree is in business administration

>>8592890
Feel like hes very intelligent in certain respects. Maybe not like math iq but yeah.

>>8592890
>>8592904
He's a patent troll. He knows enough about chemical structures to understand the patents, knows how to look at pharma companies to see their holdings, and knows what patents to buy so he can price gouge the sick. There is nothing intelligent or admirable about his approach.

>>8590543
>physics undergrad
>nuclear engineering master's student

I've looked at the money in medical physics, but what about nuclear pharmacy?

>>8592910
That seems to be his thing, though this happens all the time
Retrophin didn't lower the price of Thiola after he left the company either

>>8592912
>nuclear pharmacy
or radiochemistry

>>8590543
Depends what Trump administration does to healthcare

If they pave the way for singlepayer you can kiss your money goodbye and your degree will be worth a whole lot less

>sacrificing your youth for money

Enjoy your late-onset alcoholism.

>>8592930
Lool what?

>>8592922
nor did Turing reduce the price of Daraprim

Because my interests aren't in pharmaceutical things.

>>8590543
>why arent you getting a pharmacology PhD?

there are thousands of organic chemistry PhDs pounding on the doors of pharma companies as we speak for those positions. they pay well, but there is no way in fucking hell its ever going to be undersaturated. if you think you are going to synthesize drugs for a living you are a walking pipe dream

>>8590594
>extracirriculars
is this an american thing?

>>8591781
>what kind of ECs are important for PhD programs?

Short answer: Research experience.

Longer answer: PhD programs are looking to train independent scientists; they want to admit students who demonstrate potential as future scholars in the field. For that reason, research experience is the most important factor in admissions. Second is letters of recommendation -- if a PI says an applicant will be a competent researcher, that carries weight. Third is statement of purpose and/or personal statement. This varies by school but, in general, the applicant needs to state what he or she wants to achieve in grad school, and why that particular program will allow him or her to do that. GPA and GRE will largely matter to the point where the applicant passes the screen.

Whereas ECs and club memberships and activities or whatever may be important for undergrad or med school or law school, they are not important for PhD programs.

>>8591963
>Yeah I know I'm studying biochemistry with a decent but inproveable GPA

That's fine. For a pharmacology PhD, any major in under the umbrella of chemistry or biology sub-disciplines would suffice.

>I had just never heard someone recommend ECs for PhD programs before

Yes, because ECs are insignificant. Again, before letters of rec, personal statement, GPA, and GRE, comes research experience.

If you want to do an internship, do a summer internship in an undergrad research program. If you want to volunteer, volunteer in a research lab. That's what matters.

Keep in mind PhD programs are looking to train scientists. Being "well-rounded" is not important.

>>8591940
>making a profit of sick people is so evil
okay so let's just let sick people die instead. that way no one profits off sick people. Jesus Christ you're a moron. by that logic you could say we shouldn't let people profit from food service because it's a basic human need and only an evil person would deny a hungry person food because they can't afford it.

>>8594345
That is also true.

>>8590600
I'm a civil engineer. i make money whenever there's a hurricane, tornado, flooding, or natural distaster. i profit from other people's misfortunes. should I be prohibited from doing my work because i make money off people who need to repair their homes?

>>8594356
You ignore that everything has a specific context.

>>8594345
>>8594356
Healthcare is a regressive tax

>>8594345
Just to flesh out the point here: it costs a shitload of money (close to $1B USD) to develop a new drug start to finish, to say nothing of the manhours put in. Moreover, it's an enterprise that can collapse anywhere in the process and you don't get a refund if your drug fails. Such risk deserves such reward, and companies doing fundamental drug discovery should be able to make profits according to the risks they take.

What Shkreli does is totally different: he doesn't invest in the research or put things through clinical trials. He acquires patents and *gouges* sick patients. Profiting off of medicine because you took a big risk is one thing, but acquiring the rights and price-gouging those in need is another.

>>8594365
Rewards for who? The lab workers, scientists, animal specialists? Or the execs..

>>8591976
>It's another episode of mouth-breathing millenial doesn't understand a thing about the world.


oh boy, yet another baby bloomer with the Mcarthy agenda embedded in his head, are you still afraid of the commies? Profit is not the mother of invention, necessity is the real wheel of progress

>>8594371
The investors/shareholders who invest in the company so it can do research in the first place? I'm sure scientists receive bonuses along the way, but I'm also sure they want the company to be successful so they can remain gainfully employed [and fairly well-salaried].

>>8594384
And the world is held to ransom! What a sick sick world.

>>8594386
Employees are also paid in shares sometimes as park of retirement packages, so if the stock goes up they benefit immensely.

What do you propose as the alternative? That the government pick and choose what research gets funded and what diseases deserve solutions?

>>8594400
I propose no alternative. It is the healthcare system which should bare the brunt of paying our ransoms.

>>8594400
This is wear the regressive tax of privatised healthcare rears its matted mane and cuts down the needy wanton poor.

>>8594409
>>8594417
>mommy, daddy, I read about socialism on the Bernie Sanders reddit page
>I'm so happy I understand how the world works

>>8594424
I dont know who bernie sanders is but healthcare costs are exaggerated on the poor. We should all have free healthcare. A right.

>>8594432
>fREEEEEEEEE

>>8594437
Continue your shitpost

>>8594432
Right, so do you expect the doctors and nurses to work for free? Do you expect the hospital staff to work for free? Do you expect people to make drugs just for free? Medicine is complicated, requires a lot of education, and can get expensive: deciding to be a doctor is a lot more difficult than being a janitor on 4chan and they deserve compensation commensurate to that.

If you want a single-payer system via the US Gov't that's fine too, but that doesn't really change the drug side of things because if those guys don't make profits then fewer people are going to try and discover medicines. Needless to say, I doubt the government can raise the capital that's made US Pharma crazy successful.

>>8594450
Free healthcare exists around the world..

>>8594452
Let's look at France: the doctors make about half as much as US doctors, and nurses frequently threaten strikes because of their working conditions. Doctors are paid less in other countries. So, no, it's not "muh billionaires" who suffer because they foot most of the bill for "free" healthcare, it's the people performing the actual work that are paid less and expected to put in grueling hours.

>>8594465
>>8594465
Every country has its own specific circumstances whether public or private. Other countries have more favourable state run systems to the us. Your wrong all other countries get payed less or its because of the system and not gdp per head. Yes it can be very stressful to be doctor and can be bad but thats another issue along with the need to give healthcare to everyone for free. Id still say doctors have it alot better than every poor person, especially those who cannot afford healthcare.

>>8594477
Yeah, but the whole point of government shouldn't be "let's push everyone down to the bottom!" it should be "let's push everyone towards the top!", and making things worse for doctors/nurses (and consequentially demotivating people from pursuing medicine as a career) because it's better for poor people makes things worse overall.

>>8594495
You pretend like policies objectively have an agenda like that which you load onto them. It doesnt demotivate people though either. And its not as simple as worse or better. Its better or worse for different people. And again. Its not necessatily a problem of the health system but a general economic problem and it depends on the country. Poor countries still have poor healthcare even if privatised and many countries with public healthcare have it better than the us. You pretend like its simple enough that respective systems have given consequences but in general people have a right to healthcare and people who cant afford it are the ones who use it most.

>>8594219
Pretty much; combination of intense competition and grade inflation means you need ECs to even have a shot at a decent school

>>8594465
>Spend 4 years studying hard in undergraduatr
>Spend 4 more year studying hard in medical school
>Spend 4 to 7 working 80 to 130 hour weeks for less than McDonald's worker per hour as a resident, you also have to study for boards, read papers, etc
>1 to 3 more years as a fellow

"Wow doctor, you're so selfish wanting a high salary. Don't you care about people?" - Health care administrator making 100,000 to 200,000 a year.

>>8594736
Not to mention the tremendous loans you have to pay off to cover undergrad/med school.

>>8591986
martin did a smart and good thing. no people were harmed.

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>>8590543
>Get a PharmD for the pay
>expect to get a based job in research or at a hospital
>realize all pharmacists want that job field
>realize that the only places hiring are corporate pharmacy chains
>have to accept a job at CVS because no better options
>company makes you their bitch
>highers the bare minimum amount of pharmacists needed and works you like a slave to avoid having to pay for additional employee benefits
>If you start slacking or expect better treatment, they'll replace you with a fresh horse right out of grad school begging for a job
>After 7 years of school stuck putting up with questions like "what's vitamin C, and if it's in pill form does that mean it's genetically modified?"

If you walked out of school with a pharmD in 2000, you would have had it made. Today the market is already saturated, and dumb asses like you are still thinking you can still cash in on an expired train ticket because the BLS says it's a smart idea.

Get out while you can, if it's not too late.

>>8591954
> near penniless
> 70k a year

God one.

>>8595211
Amen

>>8590579
>>8590594
Do NOT take biology. It doesn't have the level of chemistry that you need. Go into chemistry itself.

>>8591963
>it's like 8 times more likely to get into an American grad/med school than in Canada

Sucks to be in bio/chem in Canada.

>>8595201
>has PharmD
>still confuses pharmacology with pharmacy

>>8595360
>still confuses pharmacology with pharmacy

There isn't too much of a difference; both of the job markets are crap.

>>8595201
>Today the market is already saturated, and dumb asses like you are still thinking you can still cash in on an expired train ticket because the BLS says it's a smart idea.

Nigga pharmacists are in such high demand in NA, the employment rate is pretty much 100% if you manage to graduate with good pay and the ability to open your own pharmacy.

You have to really fuck up somewhere to experience what you are saying.

>>8590543
Because I already have one OP

>>8590543
Because I am dumb. Happy now?