Actuarial science: is it the most profitable STE(M) related occupation

>actuarial science
>science
Sorry, this is a lie.

>>8562922
It involves math, you brainlet, you're just mad because they pull in way more than your (((((((physics teacher)))))))) salary.

>>8562928
Just because a field uses math does not make it a science.

Would you consider Accounting a science? Because actuarial science is about as scientific as accounting, it just uses calculus and probability in addition to basic algebra.

I mean, sure, you make plenty of money, and you can earn more money faster by studying and passing more tests so if that's the part of school you're good at it might work for you. But you need to come to terms with the fact that you are essentially making statistical models based on data as part of a highly bureaucratized corporate business process, and will never do anything even tangentially related to mathematical research, science, or really anything in the physical world. At least engineers are making something.

It was ten years ago, now the field is oversaturated as hell.

>>8562935
Go on then, Pajeet, who earns more?

>>8562937
Sources?

>>8562919
depends on where you go. If you are able to pass the exams you could make a fuck load but it'd just be easier to get a degree in comp science / engineering and write code for a smart watch since everyone is jazzing themselves over it these days.

>>8562928
>meme parenthesises
Back to whatever shithole you crawled out of

>>8562940
>pajeet
>who makes more?
You sound very young and impressionable.

>>8562941
Our world wastes tech. :(

>>8562942
There we go, mad (((((((physics teacher))))))) successfully baited.
>t. I didn't go to school for this. :(
Sweet justice.

>>8562944
Because I use 4chan vernacular for the Indo-ethnic person you likely are? Gosh, who uses Internet speak on the Internet? Stop trying to boost your ego and just answer, thank you.

>>8562947
Yep, you're under 20. It's very obvious.

Nah, the most profitable stem-related is medicine, and more specifically, specialty-surgeons.

Cardio and nuero surgeons make 400k+ easy.

>>8562950
>Yep, you're under 20. It's very obvious.
Yep, you're a virtue signaller. It's very obvious.
>t. glasses hipster

>>8562951
Only in the US though...

>>8562956
>virtue signaller
Nice /pol/ buzzword. You have to go back. Let me assist you

>>>/pol/

Actuarial science: for when you're too stupid for pure maths but too beta to keep up with the Chads in finance.

>>8562919
Math isn't a science.

>>8562958
>/pol/ buzzword
>Happens to be common parlance across several media external from 4chan.
1) Stop trying to seek affirmation of your 'virtuous self' on a Nepalese goat-herding forum.
2) Try actually communicating with people outside of 4chan, you might learn what is common lexicon and what isn't.
3) Are you going to actually answer the question with insightful information or proceed to virtue signal about how you don't like slang?

>>8562966
Stop getting butthurt about being called out for being a /pol/tard and stop writing butthurt mini essays.

>>8562962
Breh, that hurts.

>>8562965
Math is the language of science, guy.

>>8562968
>Thinks an essay in a couple of lines long.
What?
>t. I run out of solid comebacks so I'll just start using slang too.
Hypocrisy, nice.
>butthurt
>butthurt
>/pol/tard
Repetition, nice.

This thread is cancer

>>8562969
You're like 18 and haven't even decided on a major judging by this thread, what makes you so sure of yourself that you can talk about 'the language of science' with any authority

>>8562980
Shit, you're really running out of material aren't you.

Note the lack of an interrogative, that's called a rhetorical question.

>>8562974
>>>/pol/
Your home board beckons.

>>8562982
Likewise? Your self-importantce is pretty amusing, I asked a question and used a slang term and now you think you're the Judge Bader Ginsburg of /sci/? Step down off that high horse and do be careful, it'd be an awfully long fall.

>>8562980
>>8562982
>>8562984
Samefagging this hard, impressive.

>>8562986
Math isn't a science retard. Please inform yourself before posting you frosh piece of shit.

>>8562988
Define a science and you'll see that mathematics is a science; not only it is a science, it is the language of science.

>>8562990
Just stop posting any time, you're embarassing yourself.

I wish there was an integral captcha on this board to keep pieces of human trash like you off.

>>8562992
>science
>[mass noun]
>he intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment:
>‘the world of science and technology’
(https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/science)
Where do the roots of mathematics come from? The study of the natural world as a tool to understand and convey it, therefore, both a science and the language of science.
>An example of mathematics in nature:
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number)
>I do believe the term is BTFO.

i'm considering a career as an actuary. but i wanna help the world somehow. helping insurance companies make more money seems like a complete waste of my only life

>>8562996
But muh money for muh capitalism?

>>8562990
Mathematics is not a science m8. It's akin to philosophy. Do you consider English a science? Because science uses English as much as it uses Mathematics.

Science is about experiment and observation. Mathematics is about logical reasoning; these are two different things.

>>8563000
See: >>8562995
You both got ruined.

>>8562995
Math is not a science, do you even know the difference between empiricism and platonism? Probably not because you're a stupid frosh.

>>8563003
So, your argument against my argument is literally "muh philosophy?"
Fuck right off, give something solid of skulk off with your tail between your legs already.

>>8562995
>>Non-ironically believing that math studies the behavior of physical world
boi are you really that dumb?

>>8562995
Mathematics are fundamentally different to science.

—noun

1. (usedwithasingularverb)thesystematic treatmentofmagnitude,relationships betweenfiguresandforms,andrelations betweenquantitiesexpressed symbolically.
2.(usedwithasingularorpluralverb)mathematicalprocedures,operations,or properties.

>>8563006
Anti-intellectual trash, go back your septic tank

>>>/pol/

>>8562919
>2+2= a bar graph and the entire fucking world
Making a difference one equation at a time

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>>8563007
>Unironically asserting that mathematics doesn't study the physical world.
Chigger, are you really that idiotic?

>>8563010
So, "muh semantics", c'mon, where is the "muh empiricism"? :^)

>>8563011
>You uncouth philistine, how dare you not bow down to my weasel words?!
C'mon, try harder, anon, try HARDER!

>>8563015
>he thinks mathematics studies the physical world
You're really not that bright huh?

>>8563021
>He doesn't think mathematics studies the physical world.
Your neurons don't quite fire right, do they?
>t. circular argument

>>8563015
>>>/pol/

>>8563022
That's physics you moron, kys.

have fun filling the pockets of some fat pig, cucks

>>8563023
>>>/trailertrash/

>>8563026
Oh sorry, do you mean natural philosophy?

>>8563027
As opposed to being a fat pig

This has to be the most cancerous thread on /sci/ atm, something went very wrong.

>>8562962
>but too beta to keep up with the Chads in finance.
>Implying Chad isn't on Actuarial Science as well.
Also Chad does MBA actually
>>8562919
Petroleum Engy, Nuclear Engy, PhD physicist and certain MBA are the most profitable

>>8563045
>When the collective autism kicks in

>>8563049
lel, true enough

>>8563045
Go on, find my flaw, I dare you?

>>8563046
Based, anon.

>>8563049
>>8563051
Nice show of solidarity.... oh no... wait... just samefagging, FOR SHAME!

>>8562995

>Mathematics exists to study and model the physical world

Top tier shitpost. Here, (You)'ve earned this (You).

>>8563054
Thank you, anon, so very kind.

Just pursue pure Math and do the exams in your spare time if you want. You'll have all the machinery to go into it if you want but not be tight casted into working insurance the rest of your life.

>>8563064
Yes and no.

You would need extra courses for it, like Finance, Economics and some Accounting since i'm sure you guys take Stats with pure Math right?

>>8563064
Pure mathematics is rather beautiful.

>>8563053
>Go ahead, find my flaw
You're a faggot from /pol/

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>>8562919
I highlighted the most important parts of the original image for you... And it is scarily accurate.

>>8562935
This. It's hard to call it a STEM subject, and harder to call it a 'science'. I'm not even sure that it's all that intellectually challenging... It's just training to become a business analyst for extra money, but you need good grades to get the extra money.

>>8562935
>Implying that trends in data aren't worth studying
>Implying that the use of mathematical modeling of real phenomena based off of probability is somehow not real science because of some out-dated notion of causality

>>8563294
The problem with that line of reasoning is that it reduces everything into a "science", including but not limited to:
>economics
>psychology
>stock trading
>election forecasting
>programming
>science fiction
>rolling for dubs on 4chan

They may still be worth studying, but to admit these fields as 'scientific' would reduce the definition of 'science' to a triviality.

>>8563299
But Psychology is a science.

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>>8563304

>>8563045
Judging by the thread OP has severe autism and other autists actually paid attention to him and fed him replies

>>8562928
What exactly is Jewish about a physics teacher my fellow /pol/ shitposter?

>>8563163
>Doesn't have anything to left to refute my arguments.
>Y-you're a f-faggot f-from /pol/!
Nice try, Muhammad.

>>8563265
Perfection, anon, well done.

>>8563271
I'm literally in it or the shekels.

>>8563320
>*puts on nerd glasses and hipster HUFF jacket.*
>*puts on the most offcious and yet pretentious accent possible.*
>*takes out his STEM undergrad texts books, fluffs them and places them onto the table.*
>*carefully takes a sip from and places onto the table his Starbucks gayboi latte.*
>*unlocks his iPhone and turns off Coldplay, obviously the most intelligent of music.*
>E-excuse m-me... *wheeze*
>*ventilates with his Twilight inhaler.*
>... j-judging by t-this t-thread...
>*takes a sip from the latte, whilst vanilla vaping to freshen himself up.*
>... y-you h-have S-EVBERE a-autism!
>*smug grin, pushing his nerd glasses back up onto the bridge of his nose.*
>NEH, GOT HIM! *he thinks to himself.*
Yeah, fuck off, buddy.

>>8563330
The fact he fell for the ((((teaching))))) meme.

>>8563426
This is an awful post and you should feel bad about yourself.

>>8563426
If you're in it for the money you probably won't make it past second year of any serious math degree.

>>8563614
What're you on about?

Mathematics is not a science. It's also erroneous to say that it studies the physical world, as mathematics is axiomatic and is not built upon observation and experimentation.

It's more a part of the humanities, really.

t. Math undergrad who chose a math major because he didn't want to do labs.

>>8563006
And that's your argument against his argument against your argument? Go fuck your self

>>8563831
the axioms rarely come first

it's certainly wrong to say its not built upon observation and experimentation

>>8562951
Dentists probably make more than specialists especially with how easy it is for them to open their own clinic. They do make far more than a general practitioner for sure though.

>>8563831

You do not understand your subject as well as you think that you do. I stop short of calling you simply wrong, because it is true that mathematics is more abstract and speculative, and in some sense(!) less dependent on observable reality for its realization as a discipline. In that sense, you're getting it only half-right. Yet it obviously requires rigorous observations, checks, and so on. Paradoxically, mathematics /must/ correspond with observable reality to some particular and abstract extent, in order to be what we demand of it.

The final clause of your first sentence is the most patently wrong part of your post, and this in large part because the axioms themselves are supposed to be "obvious", which is to say: built upon observation and experimentation.

t. math grad (and thus literally of a higher degree than you at the moment, if both of our accounts are to be believed)

>>8562919
I believe you misspelled nuclear power

>>8563426
Woah man take your medication already holy shit