Can we have a thread on legal grey area/unethical experiment

>>8536408
sure cause you could believe Tesla when all he did was talk non-sense

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>>8536408
>tfw to smart for math

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Those poor little monkeys, this is terrible to read.

>>8536411
Tesla knew shit that a horde of mathematicians will need decades to describe and prove through theorems and graphs.

>tfw your single apartment is your pit of despair

>>8536408
>I'm looking for an experiment where a human is deprived of all their senses from birth and isolated.
So long as the experimental protocol had been adhered to, the results would, in all seriousness, lead to significant advancements in AI research.

>>8536420
why didn't he published something then? and dont come to me with "muh goverment is currapt"

>>8536442
>why didn't he published something then?
he didn't give a fuck about publishing as much as implementing it in practical solutions. everything he wrote was taken by the FBI with purpose.

>>8536420
Suuurrreee.....

>>8536408
You have to go back

>>>/x/

>>8536442
Tesla did amazing work, but he wasn't an academic or a writer. He often didn't bother to commit his ideas to paper at all. He was busy with his work and with trying to promote or profit from his practical inventions. Whether his more advanced fundamental theories he alluded to would have borne scrutiny is an open question: he obviously had profound insight, but he also obviously barked up the wrong tree a few times.

Einstein was an academic to his bones. That's one of the reasons it's hard to sort out what he actually deserves credit for, he was always talking to top people, listening to their ideas, getting their help, then he wrote papers without citing previous work or giving credit to contributors. He's most famous for a couple of papers on QM and SR early in his career which were essentially well-written and boldly-worded summaries of the state of the art. After that, for GR he seems to have started with a vague concept and gone around asking mathematicians to work it out for him.

>>8536420
>leaving reddit

>>8536857
>This is what Tesla fags actually believe

Kek.

>>8536408
Normally it's hard to take Internet maymays seriously, even more so when the author apparently thinks "theorem" is a different case of the word "theory".

>>8536857

>He's most famous for a couple of papers on QM and SR early in his career
>a couple of papers

A couple of papers that changed the course of modern physics and were significant enough to warrant being named the Annus Mirabilis papers.

>>8536857
In a period of 6 months Einstein published 3 papers that had more impact on physics than everything Tesla has ever done combined. If you really believe in what you wrote, kill yourself or leave back to r3ddit.

>>8536924
>>8536941
Yeah, that's the common perception. But when you dig deeper, you see that the "Annus Mirabilis papers" are notable more for, as I said, being well-written and having a lack of citations, giving thus the appearance of having sprung into his head by magic, than for true originality. There were papers before them that, put together, came very close to saying everything these did.

By skipping some of the work a responsible academic should be expected to do, he was able to get his work published ahead of rivals, implicitly claim more credit for himself than was fairly due, and present the ideas as more interesting and important than they would have seemed when linked to earlier work and the larger community.

The reality is, if Einstein had never been born, physics would have advanced at the same rate without him. He was a productive physicist, but in a field of dozens, and someone would have taken his place.

>>8537000
>you see that the "Annus Mirabilis papers" are notable more for, as I said, being well-written and having a lack of citations

Clearly said by someone who's never studied physics in their life.

>>8537011
You don't learn about this stuff by studying physics, but by studying the history of physics.

The history physicists tell each other isn't the kind of history done by historians, who get suspicious and check primary sources. Scientists love to mythologize prominent figures, it's part of the fantasy of becoming one of them and being remembered forever.

They certainly don't like to hear that credit tends to go to the best credit-grabber. That makes the whole grand scientific enterprise seem rather grubby.

>>8537071
This.
Einsteins paper on special relativity where he disproved the aether had no citations. He said the idea came to him from reading David Hume.
He plagiarized a lot of shit and stood on the shoulders of giants. Not to say he wasn't smart, but he's not the god that people elevate him to be today.

>>8536408
>if you keep animals in isolation, they begin to act abnormally

What great insight! What more can we hope to look forward from the great science of psychology?

>>8537071
>You don't learn about this stuff by studying physics, but by studying the history of physics.

Wrong. You're clearly a brainlet, so it's hard to impossible to understand the impact Einstein had. For example with his SR paper, he overturned an idea that had been around since at least Newton (although it could trace it's origin back to Galileo). With his paper on the Photoelectric effect, he solved a problem that had been ongoing again since the time of Newton as well as founding QM.

Unless you're trying to argue that the whole of scientific establishment was working against the better established scientists I really don't see what you're trying to say. Finally:
>"Einstein's theory has the very highest degree of æsthetic merit: every lover of the beautiful must wish it to be true. It gives a vast unified survey of the operations of nature, with a technical simplicity in the critical assumptions which makes the wealth of deductions astonishing. It is a case of an advance arrived at by pure theory: the whole effect of Einstein's work is to make physics more philosophical (in a good sense), and to restore some of that intellectual unity which belonged to the great scientific systems of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, but which was lost through increasing specialization and the overwhelming mass of detailed knowledge. In some ways our age is not a good one to live in, but for those who are interested in physics there are great compensations." - H.A. Lorentz

Everyone at the time recognised that Einsteins ideas were singular in nature, even Lorentz, someone who's work Einstein was able to re-derive in his own theory. Like I said it's hard for the uninitiated to understand how and why Einsteins work was so important and so special.

>>8537090
See above.

>>8537120
Can someone show this guy the list of all the papers closely related to Einstein's SR and photoelectric effect ones that came out earlier?

We're talking about the actual Einstein, not the physicists' oral mythology where they try and keep the pantheon manageable and attribute the zeitgeist of each age entirely to a handful of individuals.

>>8537169
No need faggot, I know of them. A lot of them in SR are related to the work of Lorentz and Poincare, at least one of which acknowledged that Einsteins work was superior to their own (see previous post). This is nothing but an attempt (and a pathetic one at that) at revisionism.

>not the physicists' oral mythology

Do you even know who was Lorentz was? Not only was he a contemporary of Einstein but the Lorentz transformation was named after him due to his work. But even he thought that Einsteins work was better, more aesthetically pleasing, than his own.

>>8537169
Can you not, then? Presumably if what you're saying isn't a crock of horseshit you should be able to do so. The fact you haven't is telling.

Infact, it's impressive how little you manage to say with so many words

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoc7SViUvus

>>8537216
thats fucking dark

>>8536408
Realizing it's you op will be the hardest thing you come to terms with in your lifetime. You're a senseless outcast sperging but you have to learn to love yourself nonetheless. Being you're so shitty the love you learn will be highlighted with a touch of unconditionality.

>>8536408
>m looking for an experiment where a human is deprived of all their senses from birth and isolated.
The ancient egyptians did such an experiment
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psamtik_I#Discovering_the_origin_of_language