https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqT TojTija8 Is he right?

I couldn't make it after 1:23. This is even more embarrassing than Hopsin.

>going through highscool is like trying to make a fish climb a tree
sasuga black people

>>8447317
>No

The point of high school is to get students ready for college and in college you get nothing but LECTURES and LABS. If you want to change public education, change colleges first.

Also, fuck students that come to school just to disrupt the class.

>>8447325
DID

>>8447356
THE

I turned it off after 'Albert Einstein once said'

>>8447317
He doesn't come up with any solutions

>>8447472
yeah this video literally gave me ass cancer

>>8447360
FACT THAT

School = old white men instead of landwhale feminists ???

kek

>>8447329
tbf trying to make a black man think is like making a fish climb a tree.

>first 2 words are "Albert Einstein"
>isn't about the effectiveness of school
>is about how school is 2 hard :(
>phones changed from 150 years ago to now , cars changed from 150 years ago to now, so why hasn't school changed???????? (slaves were also freed 153 years ago, but why aren't you complaining that hasn't changed?)

I couldn't watch any further, but this is just bait.

thats a big maze
for you

>>8448059
>Show fine products of school system
>School system is shit and needs to be changed

>>8447329
>using "sasuga" like it disproves what he's saying
typical pseudointellectual /pol/fag

isn't that the "TECHNOLOGY IS EVIL *uploaded via Iphone 6*" guy ?

File: tumblr_mgfww7hb5S1qzt15oo1_500.gif (382KB, 500x202px) Image search: [Google]

382KB, 500x202px

>>8447325
What the one where he's in court is hilarious when the whole jury dabs

>>8447472
Thats the funny thing I noticed. The school system is shit but it doesn't come up with any alternative replacement. Don't even know what the hell it's trying to sell in the end.

"Sure math is important ! But no more than art or dance !"
Is this the dumbest sentence ever formulated ? I love art, visual arts and music are two of my biggest passions, but damn saying it's as important as math is retarded.

And let's not even talk about dance.

>>8448176
uhh those are very important don't trivialize shit just because you don't come off as autistic for being good at it

>>8447317
Actually says Dance is as important as Math.
Liberals actually believe this!!!!
Please dance yourself a fusion power plant!

Liberals are mad at student loans because no one want to pay a Woman's studies major as much as an Engineer.

Standardized education WORKS if the children have a father and a mother who work with them each night and supply a safe stable home environment.

Instead of blaming the school, blame the parents for not giving the child a home environment that supports educations.

>>8448177
Art has had some importance as catalyst for social movements, but how is it as important as the discipline that gave us medicine, computers and energy ?

File: 17.jpg (632KB, 1464x1986px)

632KB, 1464x1986px

How to improve the public school system

>Vast majority of teachers and management are fired (the money is moved to making college free)
>Students learn through computerized teachers
>Computerized "Aristotle" that teaches people everything, using sites like Khan Academy for example
>A matching system is used that pairs students within a classroom that would best help each other. They are assigned an assignment of some sort that teaches teamwork and cooperation while also strengthening the core skills involved.

Unlike teachers, a computer works perfectly and is capable of learning to improve. A computer will fit the sensibilities of its student, and will learn how to teach them in the best way possible. As close as possible to an Aristotle and Socrates relationship.
Since everyone is learning at maximum efficiency and effectiveness, everyone will master the core curriculum even faster.
This means high school graduation age can be reduced significantly, down to 15 or 16.
College becomes cheap to free, and the entire country becomes educated as FUCK.
No more retards becoming teachers and torturing every student that has to take the misfortune of being taught by them.

Humanity is saved


Prove me wrong

>>8448176
You can save lives with math, you can't do that with art.

>>8448192
I said maths were more important than art, not the other way around

>>8448194
wrong post, meant for >>8448177

/sci/, if you were to design a public education system (say, for the time students are in school between the ages of 5 and 17 inclusive), how would you do it and what would be the curriculum?

>>8448197
Give them all computers to browse 4chan all day. Not enough underaged here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vsCAM17O-M

>>8448190
>a computer works perfectly

You assume students WANT to learn. The first generation right off the boat WILL want to learn and will study all day.

The third generation inner city welfare child, just wants to get high and fuck. All the free high quality education in the world will NOT make a difference because the child does not care to be educated. Let the child "lean at his own pace" and the kid will use the computer to look at porn and play music videos.

We do NOT need more athletes, or musicians, or actors, or artists, or dancers, we do need more mathematicians, engineers, chemist and physicists .

Liberals ares are fine, BUT only for the extremely gifted in that field. There are WAY too many musicians, when only a few are really any good. We 100% do NOT need more actors!!!

>>8448207
>You assume students WANT to learn
The only reason someone wouldn't want to learn is because the person teaching them is a retard.
Computers aren't retards. I said it clearly:
Computers will fit the sensibilities of the student.

>>8448211
>The only reason someone wouldn't want to learn is because the person teaching them is a retard.

Then every public library in the inner cities should be filled with eager young kids studying the vast store of knowledge contained in them.

NOPE... you can bring a horse to water but you can NOT make it drink. Many Inner city youth actually are anti-intellectual and will REFUSE to learn anything that they can not IMMEDIATELY see as use for.

>>8448185
uhh fights depression, stagnation, builds imagination etc...which BEGETS development in those things

>>8448216
yeah well, unless you live right next to an art gallery and are buddy with your 5 favorites bands you wouldn't have nearly as much access to art as you do now if computers didn't exist, which were made possible by math and its applications.
Looks like autistic mathematicians win again.

>>8447337
>The point of high school is to get students ready for college

>this is what people actually believe

top kek son. High School is a glorified day care facility for teenagers. college level material isn't hard until you get into junior year and any mildly intelligent kid can/should be doing community college by age 15.

high school is literally wasting 2-3 years of your academic life on bullshit. the only relevant counter argument to this is the socialization you get in HS.

>>8448220
yeah youre right

>>8447317
My school in germany tried to solve this problem with a "new" learning system called "SKIL" but they fucked it up badly.

>>8448190
Yeah sounds great except you forget the entire purpose of a teacher which is to ask questions to which generally cannot be found out otherwise from somethibg you didn't understand fully to adifferent application of a system or some new way to think about it. At best you might get some low tier people to answer the question days latter on the internet which never works as well as talking with someone face to face. Also what about labs for classes like biology and chemistry?

Ask anyone who has taken an online class, you never learn nearly as much as in person.

>>8448258
>Yeah sounds great except you forget the entire purpose of a teacher which is to ask questions to which generally cannot be found out otherwise
I honestly feel like a majority of teachers forget this important point as well. Many of them are similar to police officers, they have some authority so they abuse the shit out of it and forget what their real job is: to help the students.

>Ask anyone who has taken an online class, you never learn nearly as much as in person.
I've learned more on my own taking an online class than I do from a retarded teacher. Retarded teachers can actually end up making you dumber, if they are retarded enough. For example, I'm getting A's in all my advanced physics and math classes/labs. Meanwhile I'm getting a B in my stat class because the teacher taught us the wrong procedure and it ended up fucking with my exam grade. Granted, I should have studied through the book on my own, and I take full responsibility for my fuck up, but I'm still utterly shocked that this man is getting my fucking money to teach me incorrect material. And he has the audacity to call himself a mathematician.

File: education.png (176KB, 640x3030px) Image search: [Google]

176KB, 640x3030px

>>8447317
>Oh look it's the same exact "education is old, therefore it's bad" sophistry these p̶r̶o̵regressive fucks have been using for over a century now and has been a disaster every single time they've got their way.

>>8448059
The funny thing is school HAS changed. Not sure why he thinks it hasn't

>>8447337
Or make high school skippable by doing a test, students can learn on their own at home using the internet.

>>8447472
He said copy-paste Finland in the video.

And he mentioned the key features:

-Shorter school days
-No homework
-Higher pay for teachers

>>8448314
There are more complicated factors leading to academic success in Finland beyond just those 3 points

>>8448314
Yeah because the solution to school is less school, less practice, and bigger rewards for the people who are the reason schools are shit in the first place.

>>8448211
I'd love to see how that computer would motivate nigger kids to study.
Maybe it would start rapping meth recipes?

>>8448323
School is one of those things where you kind of get out what you get in

If you view it as "indoctrination" and a "test of obedience" and so on, no shit you're not gonna get anything out of it because you're coming in with a predisposition against it and aren't gonna try very hard.

That said, a reformation to be more like Germany's system with apprenticeships and so on would probably be better. But I can see that that also might force people down certain paths that are difficult to leave later in your life.

>>8448350
>School is one of those things where you kind of get out what you get in
Okay, so how will paying teachers more make kids want to put in more effort? In fact, how will shortening school and giving less opportunity to practice the material makes kids want to put in more effort? It seems like these "solutions" only make it easier for kids to put less in. It would probably end up hurting those kids that are putting their all into school too. I never said anything about tests of obedience or anything of that sort, I don't know why you brought that up.

>>8448371
I was agreeing with you and adding my observations of people who push the Finland thing

>>8448220
What are books?

>>8448840
The thing you can't hear music from, and can barely print any faithful representation of a painting in if you don't have a modern printer unless you have an army of really talented monks ?

>>8448197
Segregation. Put the talented students together to make a good learning environment. Not much you can do for the rest.

>>8448966
The problem is that it's next to impossible to have any objective metric to judge young (elementary/early middle school aged) kids as being talented vs. those that are not talented because people just age differently in that group. It's not really fair to a kid who blooms late to punish him for shit at like age 8

>>8448967
>punish
what
>it's not fair
How is giving kids a curriculum crafted to their aptitude any more unfair than the alternative? Hamstringing skilled students is fair?
> it's next to impossible to have any objective metric
It's easy as piss, just go on their results. Doesn't matter what they can do in 5 or 10 years. If they can learn at a more rapid pace at the moment, then of course the material to do so should be offered to them.

>>8448971
Idk how recently you went to school but what you're suggesting is already in place and it doesn't work well

In my area it's called the GATE program

School is nothing more than a kindergarten for teenagers

>>8448974
Glad to hear you fellas have it.

>>8448974
If you have any experience with, or knowledge of, the system and its failings I'd be very interested in hearing it since ability grouping is fucking illegal over here.

>>8448981
The main criticism I've seen is that it's largely based on how good your test scores are at a young age

There is some statistical basis to say generally speaking kids from wealthier backgrounds do better than poorer kids on standardized tests, at least at young ages

Thus basically each school district's GATE program is giving special teachers and other benefits to basically a bunch of rich kids

>>8448983
And I would say herein lies the overall issue in the US: poorer parents generally speaking are going to not develop their kids well in the important first few kids of the child's life at least compared to a general wealthy family kid

This leads to disparities that carry on into adult life. It sounds elitist as hell but I can still see it in my physics program at uni, you talk to some kids and you can just tell that they came from a poor family by how they talk and think about problems. I think the importance of those first few years in the development of a kid are understated

>>8448289
I seriously fucking hate progressives.

Literally the laughing stock of anthropology majors.

>>8448986
I don't think that's true, because of how heredity of IQ changes with age. Sure you can expect some difference in knowledge owing to the time one's spent with quality education, but that's something that should vastly diminish with time.

And I don't see how the proportion of rich kids to poor ones is a problem. Gifted people are a very limited resource, and should be cultivated to be exploited as best possible.

>>8448371
Increasing wages would attract more teachers which would increase competition in the field, schools could pick more good teachers and get rid some bad teachers. In theory.

>>8449035
Partially correct, the problem is that many mainly minority schools want teachers that are also minority. They would rather have a large number of bad minority teachers than a large number of great non-minority teachers. Blame liberals for this.

Isn't contemporary American education based on models from the 1930s that were used to prepare people for factory life? Or is that just a meme that doesn't really apply?

File: young_boy_minds.jpg (65KB, 500x557px) Image search: [Google]

65KB, 500x557px

>>8449166
Partially true, but there was MAJOR change after WW2 when Eisenhower pushed changes because he saw how unprepared officers were academically.

File: highschool.png (41KB, 1211x454px) Image search: [Google]

41KB, 1211x454px

>>8447317
Pic related is how you actually fix it.

As for his video, if high school is so difficult for him then why not make a black-only school that pushes kids into blue collar work?

>>8449158
Yeah that and fucking unions stop schools from getting rid of the bad ones. The system is put in place because it seems more "fair" but it's actually only fair to the teachers that aren't doing their jobs correctly, the ones that deserve to be fired. It's the same situation as >>8448967. The "good" kids are not being allowed to excel because the system wants to be fair to the "bad" kids. The only reason this system is still in place is because the good kids can cope with these setbacks and don't let it stop them from succeeding, whereas the bad kids just bitch and moan for more support. We think it's better for everyone because the ones that it's worse for still end up better off than the ones it's better for.

>>8449374
Yes, but you are missing the point... they do not CARE if the teacher is good or bad as long as they of the the "correct" race. Many liberals firmly believe that a child seeing a teacher of the same race is MORE important for their development then having a good teacher of another race.

>>8448185
You cant live a day without any art medium being in your life though. Try driving a car without any music or not having a tv.

>>8449453
I do not have a tv, and my radio is broken in my car. Claiming art is unimportant is denying an aspect of human expression. What we make, what we think is a form of art.

But claiming that the advancement of humanity has gained more from music, dance, and acting than scientific progress is stupid. If we had rocks we would draw in the dirt and bang them together, but getting better at doing those is tangential to human advancement not a precursor to it. Venice wasn't a place of art and then power it was a moneyed place that attracted artists. Art has always been a symptom of agency and human expression.

>>8447317
Objection, your honor, foundation?

>>8448182
>Standardized education WORKS if the children have a father and a mother who work with them each night and supply a safe stable home environment.

Bullshit. I was an honors student and all my parents ever did was yell at me for getting B+s.

>>8448190
>Prove me wrong

Doing even one mastering physics/chemistry/engineering online homework assignment.

>>8450479
Literally proved his point
Retard

>>8448211
Holy fuck you are deluded and autistic

>>8450486
>Mastering Engineering

ho-lee shit son, nothing gets me saltier than that. can't believe i'm paying an extra 100$ to do online homework.

>>8450479
Looks like the American honours system failed you since you clearly lack reading comprehension

File: sci math.png (119KB, 1216x970px)

119KB, 1216x970px

>>8448197

>>8450496
>Mastering
My blood is still 90% salt from Mastering Chemistry three years ago.

>>8450538
This is a terrible solution
You'd just end up with maybe 1 in 10 children actually understanding what they were doing.

File: This is a senior level engineering course.png (22KB, 1006x325px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 1006x325px

>>8450544
behold the future of education

>>8450548
>kj/kg
I get triggered when they don't ^-1

>I'm not an idiot because I don't understand basic pre-algebra!

>That's not my kind of "intelligence", I'm an artist, a rapper.

>It's not me, it's the education system! and uh...institutionalized racism and shit

File: Eternal_father_painting_guadalupe.jpg (96KB, 423x580px) Image search: [Google]

96KB, 423x580px

>>8448192

What if the art inspires them to join the one true faith?

>>8448314
I laughed at that part because in Finland majority of the points he mentioned in the video still stand. Especially in primary school where teachers (at least 15 years ago) use literal army tier discipline to keep order. Same commands as well.

At least in higher education things are changing quite frequently and in college some courses' lessons are streamed over the interned and the videos saved so you can study at your own pace whenever you want.

Another neat feature would be the EXAM system where you can reserve a spot in a classroom and complete a course exam there whenever you want. Real useful on courses with hundreds of attendants where it would be really difficult to gather us all in one spot at the same time. Also no need for human interaction at all since everything is automated.

File: incredulous black science man.webm (1MB, 642x435px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 642x435px

>>8447317
>not getting a degree in mathematics

this is where he messed up. this is where they all mess up.

>>8447317
>why can't i just smoke weed everyday and still get a good paying job that contributes something of substantial value: The Video

File: 1424390721606.png (88KB, 396x584px)

88KB, 396x584px

>>8448211
>The only reason someone wouldn't want to learn is because the person teaching them is a retard.

You've never heard anyone say "I'm not a computer/tech/math/car/book person" before?

>>8448236
This.

>>8450859
Oh, man, reading isn't for me.
What have I read? Oh, lots. Like To Kill a Mocking Bird and... To Kill a Mocking Bird... and ... Well, at least I know that racism is bad! I also know that reading isn't for me.

>>8447317
>waaahh math's no more important than dance or art
>we should be like finland or singapore!!

lmao dumb nigger

>>8450496
Is there a worse program than Mylab mastering?
>Hey you were supposed to round this but we didn't tell you lol you got it wrong
>No refunds on wrong codes for nearly identical books : ^ )
>Check out our snazzy etext that always starts on chapter 1 instead of a table of contents and takes 30 seconds to load a page

>>8450798
Catholics are a bunch of cannibals. Orthodoxy is the only true step forward

File: pepe bored.jpg (20KB, 306x306px)

20KB, 306x306px

>>8447317
>righteous guy is black
>ebil guys are all whitey

Should I even bother watching the rest of this cringeworthy racial propaganda garbage?

File: SaltyCrackers.jpg (221KB, 1200x1600px) Image search: [Google]

221KB, 1200x1600px

He's right, math is dumb.
We wouldn't need math to develop stuff like medicines or technology or power sorces or war devices if people were more focused on art and dance. People could get along and live peacefully, we shouldn't need math is school. We need to be more like Finland

>>8451934
>Should I even bother watching the rest of this cringeworthy racial propaganda garbage?
No. These fuckers all eithier think it's still 1955, or they're being disingenuous. My guess is the latter.

>>8450548
>MASTERING PHYSICAL CHEMISTRY
>where even if you know the material, know the functions and know how to do it, you so much as fuck up on your rounding and YOU ARE WRONG
>how much energy does this particular substance absorb when exposed to sdagihasiogha
>oh you entered 519kj/mol?, sorry the correct answer was 519.0kj/mol

Damn right he's right!

>>8452110
>you entered 1/3
>sorry the correct answer was 0.33333333333333

>>8451934
The guy never mentioned anything about race. Calm down

>>8447317
The importance of culture and science should be considered heavily, as they do help one another in different ways.

The system might need some adjustments, but on a deeper level, the consideration for changing the school's way might need to be more scrutinized for the reason of the education in the first place.

To be honest, it's really tough to see certain perspectives as a young adult. But you may not even get the chance to consider things more deeply if you've never been exposed.

The solution to the problem might not be in the video, but the question the man raises should be considered from a new angle as technology improves and societies change.

>>8447317
wtf I hate school now

>>8452114
>The guy never mentioned anything about race
It's inferred. Math & /sci/ are raciss, dontchaknow.

All this video does is remind me of all the great Finnish physicists and mathematicians

File: xbored-v2.jpg.pagespeed.ic.CcppfnPTM7[1].jpg (12KB, 275x242px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 275x242px

>>8452114
Would be a bit too obvious if he went on a rant about ebil whiteys. Too bad they can't hide the purposefully selected good and bad sides with clear black and white skin colors.

I'm tired of seeing this kind of racial propaganda implemented while making some irrelevant point. It ruins the message with politics and race crap and turns it into a repulsive garbage. It deserves al the trashing it gets.

File: 1477248808523.jpg (87KB, 582x600px) Image search: [Google]

87KB, 582x600px

>everyone in the thread missing the point that education should be customized for individuals rather than the average like almost everything else
>guy in the video even saids to get rid of common core something a vast majority of /sci/ agrees with
>guy admits every brain isn't built the same
>guy admits medicine can't be prescribed the same
>guy is literally a few steps away from outright admitting racial differences
>/sci/gets hung up because he mentions dance and art should have the same importantance as math
>despite the fact his argument merely implies that those who are good or interested in "art" and "dance" shouldn't be force to do math and the inverse which yet again /sci/ agrees with through threads asking why STEM majors should take humanities classes

Yeah, fuck you retards, the guy in the video is pretty much right. While the U.S. is obsess with revamping their curriculum and try to compete with China in testing (who we know are cheating) just to satisfy turncoats who make profit off of books and testing. Countries like Japan are literally teaching grade schoolers fucking programming before they hit middle school.

>>8452148
The only person seeing race having anything to do with anything is you.

You need to take your paranoid delusions back to >>>/pol/

>>8452166
>>>/pol/
We need to be more like Finland

>>8452170
>>8452180
Your hatred towards white people is also racism you stinking low IQ monkey.

Take your disgusting racial propaganda back to >>>/pol/

>>8452166
common core is good. china uses a different common core, but they are cranking out some of the highest achievers in academia

>>8452166
>who we know are cheating
They're not

>>8452453
the reason a lot of western kids, like the guy in op's video, are failing to learn is because they are not raised in an environment where learning is seen as essential.

when you grow up in a poor family, you either grow up with people who encourage you to learn and overcome your situation, or they encourage you to use escapism and emotions to numb yourself from the situation, or somewhere in between.

no prizes for guessing which type of family that guy grew up in

>>8452110
learn how to sig figs, literally elementary school math

>>8452458
hi, >>8452453 this is me.

actually, china is also cranking out some of the lowest achievers too, but also some of the highest achievers.

the lower ones do cheat, i've seen it myself (i'm fluent in chinese and interact with a lot of chinese university students). many of them couldn't give a hoot about school, and desu a lot of them are shitters. but the ones who apply themselves are really something else. it's quite awe-inspiring when you are near one

>>8452211
>stinking low IQ monkey
>doesn't even understand basic reading comprehension
Wew lad.

File: 1440820739378.jpg (78KB, 338x305px) Image search: [Google]

78KB, 338x305px

>>8450538
This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You'd sacrifice the sustainability of an entire classroom just to root out the one or two exceptionally intelligent students and let the others rot?

Will you be teaching them Plato by Grade 5? The Tempest in Grade 7? Do you know how many students you would alienate by Grade 3? This poster has absolutely no grasp of child psychology; it's literally a curriculum designed by a soulless robot.

Yeah, look and you now. You're smart. You like math and history and science. Were you like that when you were in 4th grade? Did the prospect of learning Conic Sections thrill you when you were just 13? Fuck no, dude. All you cared about was digging around in the dirt and finding cool sticks to hit your friends with.

Elementary school and Middle school children literally cannot entertain some of the values you're trying to impose on them at this point; and the ones that can are genetically rare and "naturally gifted".

Hell, half of the High school aged children, from year 9 to 10, won't understand what you're trying to tell them. These are literally 14 and 15 year olds. Most teenage boys at that age can't even feel empathy-- their brains literally have not developed past the point of allowing them to feel empathy. Trying to make them care about the history of music and find joy in pre-modern art is as foolish as hoping your infant child can feed themselves by time they've grown 3 months old. After all, all they have to do is put food in their mouths and eat it, right? Anyone can do that!

Damn, dude. This is literally a case of "let kids be kids". Sure, raise the standards a little bit; American children are so prone to inactivity and laziness that they could stand to receive a bit more rigority in their daily lives, but don't force this bullshit on them and expect them to make it out okay.

You want them to turn out like the kids in China? Or Korea? American Engineers SHIT on the Chinese.

Kick minorities out of public education. Make it rigorous and test based like in gook countries.

>>8452464
>monkey trouble

>>8450538
I love this bait.

>>8452613
It's not bait.

>>8448197
from ages 5-6 all people attend some kind of schooling

the gifted autists are distinguished from the rest taught at an extreme pace

>>8452627
Nah, it's bait, look at how riled up you got >>8452586

>>8448289
>>8452166

Further proof that STEMlords are closer to Automata than to People.

Has anyone here heard about Johny Taylor Gatto? He wrote a lot against mandatory schooling. Like this for exapmle:
http://www dot lawfulpath.com/ref/againstschool.php

>>8447317
>The people (proletariat) vs the system (bourgeoisie)

Oh goody, crypto-communism is back again.

>>8448311
It's called the GED

>>8448967
>You only have one chance to switch over to the fast lane meme
>It's impossible to reach the same destination if you not in the fast lane meme
>It's so unfair if one kid (who wants to) learns more meme

These are such silly arguments. If a kid blooms late, then he should enter a late-start gifted program. Why hold back the early bloomers? If the kid never enters the gifted program, he should just catch up later in a community college.

ex
>A kid who starts the gifted program in the 1st grade gets up to measure theory in the 12th grade
>A kid who starts the gifted program in the 4th grade gets up to topology in the 12th grade
>A kid who starts the gifted program in the 7th grade gets up to linear algebra in the 12th grade
>A kid who starts the gifted program in the 9th grade gets up to ODEs in the 12th grade
>A kid who starts the gifted program in the 11th grade gets up to single variable calculus in the 12th grade
>And a kid who never enters the gifted program gets up to precalculus in the 12th grade (just like now).

At all stages, the gifted program is a benefit. The only thing holding this back is that teachers would have to work harder which they absolutely hate.

>>8448981
>ability grouping is fucking illegal over here

Where do you live?

>>8448983

Having money doesn't magically make you better at math.

Smarter -> wealthier
Smarter -> gifted children

>>8452586
>Most teenage boys at that age can't even feel empathy-- their brains literally have not developed past the point of allowing them to feel empathy

Nice baito

>>8453869
Wtf is the gifted program

>>8453900
honours program, advanced classes, pre-IB/AP track, etc

The unfortunate truth is the kind of people who support this kind of message probably wouldn't even flourish in the system that they're proposing. People think that having the "right kind" of classroom will magicly make all the students into over acheivers and scientists. But most high school students would drop math class if they were allowed to freely, and that shouldn't happen. The whole fucking point of school is to make you do shit you don't want to do because otherwise you'll just grow up to be an uneducated dumbass.

>>8447317
>math is not more important than art or dance
he was on to something and just dropped the ball.

>>8448108

kek

>How to improve the school systems

You can't.

It would take more changing of the structure of school systems than anyone would be wiling to make. Plus, colleges would never loosen their grip on their cash cow enterprise.

>>8448311
>>8453792
>going to college when you're a dropout with a GED

I know a guy who dropped out of a prestigious high school and got his GED in his senior year because he wanted to prove how pointless a diploma was and how he "knew how the system worked". He thought he was going to college.

He has AIDS, a heroin problem and cleans up animal shit at a shelter now.

>>8453920

>The unfortunate truth is the kind of people who support this kind of message probably wouldn't even flourish in the system that they're proposing. People think that having the "right kind" of classroom will magicly make all the students into over acheivers and scientists.

But the video isn't proposing a "right" classroom it's proposing a "custom" curriculum base on the individual. Which is why the prescription medicine argument was brought up in the first place.

No one has made an attempt to even argue against the core concept in this thread which shows that the video's premise (at least in relation to the thread) has merit due to the fact everyone is attacking everything but the custom curriculum part.

Seriously no one has brought up one good reason why we shouldn't have a curriculum based on an individual by individual bases.

>>8454213
Because it's ridiculously unfeasible with a student population of 100+ million.
Standardization is necessary.

>>8450486
>graded homework
whoever though of this needs to spend the next 20 years just using their own shitty program all day.

>>8454236
>whoever though of this needs to spend the next 20 years just using their own shitty program all day.
agreed.

>>8452110
that problem is actually from a Mech E thermodynamics class.

>>8454223

Exactly. The only part of a student's educational career that could really Be affected by a 'custom' curriculum would be grades 4-6 and grades 10-12. High school students already offer some electives, but in the case of elementary schoolers, it would be incredibly unreasonable to expect them to already know which direction they want their education to be going. Luckily, I figured it out early, but most kids dont really know themselves enough to make that kind of life decision until age 16 or so. There simply wouldn't be enough teachers to offer such a diverse set of electives a to any grade level.

If students are really enthusiastic about learning a specific subject then they can learn it themselves. There's no reason your education has to be given to you by your school, and there is definitely no reason it should take a whole year to learn algebra, stats, or calculus. If anything, schools slow down your education. Not because of standardization, but because they insist on teaching it so damn slowly.


If you don't like school then just teach yourself if you want to learn something so damn much.

>>8454298

This. The concept that an education has to be provided by a school system is preposterous.

File: 1477834604456.jpg (37KB, 815x608px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 815x608px

>>8454223

>It's unfeasible
>U.S. spends over $600 billion on defense.
>U.S. spends over $1000 billion on health care.
>U.S. spends over $1200 billion on social security.
>U.S. spends around $70-100 billion on education.

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/total_spending_pie%2C__2015_enacted.png

>>8454327
>the federal government is the only spender on education

>>8449273
>that pic
>AY YO MAN I HEARD THAT X STUDY MAKES THE MOST MONEY SO IM GONNA DO THAT SHIT. SUPER EASY TOO!
>immature teenage brains all flock to a few subjects b/c money

>>8452110
>mastering chemistry

im a chemistry grad student now, but when i was a freshman and we had to do this shit I would dread the day. I tutored during undergrad and when someone came in with mastering chem questions I just said "i'm so sorry. I'll help you but you have to know that this program is bullshit and I probably wont be able to help your grade".

>>8447317

What I imagine the video to be:

>YO DAS IT MANNNEEEE

>YO DAS IT MANNNEEEE

>*points at a rotted school lunch*

>YO DAS IT MANE

>*Points at a kid with no eyes*

>YO DAS IT MANE

>*Points at a pair of eyes with no kid*

>YO DAS IT MANE

>Points at a pair of kids eyes without

>YO DAS IT MANE

>>8448123

>/pol/fag

This board is the most pseudointellectual board on 4chan and /pol/ literally has more scientific discussion of substance than this sub-reddit. Not a compliment to /pol/, by the way.

>>8448190

It's simple just shake the children until they FUCKING GET IT.

>>8452586

The morning fuck?

The blanket buck...

THE ASSHOLE IN MY SOUL!!!

>>8448258
It works in college where you have people who know what they're talking about, but in public school you're better off just asking the internet most of the time.

>Ask my math teacher a question in September
>She says she'll look into it and finally answers it in February
>She was wrong but I didn't want to discourage her from trying

Any school reform must require firing all the teachers we have.

>>8449158
>mainly minority schools want teachers that are also minority

No one wants to teach at minority dominated ghetto schools. That's why they get the wettest shittiest of teachers.

>>8449035

It's not wages that are keeping good teachers away, it's the realization that they're pouring a bottle of water into an ocean of piss.

File: (you).png (534KB, 1156x999px) Image search: [Google]

534KB, 1156x999px

>>8454476
kill yourself /pol/nigger

>>8454549
spoiler: he is right

>>8454213
It's called private schooling.

>>8452142
ahlfors

>>8454359

>Implying the federal government isn't the proverbial litmus test for infrastructure and social spending/ investment

There's a reason why health care and military are rapidly growing, gaining better quality, have lucrative professions and sway politics so much.

>>8449273

That is a terrible idea. Secondary education should produce well rounded students.

>>8447317
>Is he right?
No, mostly wrong. He is right about some thing in regards to classroom environments begin demotivating. BUT GUESS FUCKING WHAT, live is demotivating. If you gave a shit you'd put in the hard work for what you want to achieve

>>8452586
>Do you know how many students you would alienate by Grade 3?

Do you really think it's impossible to teach division and factoring to 3rd graders?

>>8454159

Obviously top colleges will be turned off but you can still go GED -> community college -> 4 year university -> top graduate school.

>>8455475
Most 3rd graders won't abstract well enough to comprendo what a variable is. 3rd graders who can should be allowed to, but not pressured to do so.

>>8447317
Don't know if it's in this video, but a lot of the time when people complain about the school system, they complain that no one teaches them how to do things like how to pay taxes, how to pay rent, how to cash a check, how to vote, things like that. Those are some of the simplest things, you could literally find out how to do them in 5 minutes on google. That kind of instruction doesn't belong in school because it doesn't require any kind of thought whatsoever, it doesn't develop critical thinking, it doesn't teach you how to work with others.

>>8454459

that would be a good thing, dipshit.

>>8454476
>and /pol/ literally has more scientific discussion of substance than this sub-reddit
Well memed!

It's pity in this advenced society we need diplomas to prove we've lacked the skill to maintain same knowladge in less time.

>>8457491
wat

>>8457070
tbf so is algebra(at least the kind taught in grade school), but many people struggle with it in school because theyre retards.

>>8447317
no? although the american public school system is shit, this guy sounds dumb as fuck

File: 1472709870493.jpg (33KB, 500x500px) Image search: [Google]

33KB, 500x500px

>>8448314
>>-Shorter school days
>>-Higher pay for teachers

>>8448314
Or make it all optional and remove democracy since uneducated people are only an issue if they can vote. Forcing brainlets to study only harms smart people.

>>8458621
What did he mean by this?

7th grade science teacher here. After they reach 8th grade, their path in life is set permanently. High school is basically free sex school or learn stuff you'll be taught again in college school.

It speaks to teens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEwTSdROmcU

>>8447317
I dont need nigger to tell me whats wrong with public schools,I finished them unlike him.

>>8454563
>>8454476
samefag

>>8458700
>High school is basically free sex school
What did he mean by this?

>>8447317
>ebil white people
Into the trash it goes

>>8447317

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIKGV2cTgqA

>>8448192
true, but with art you can capture hearts.

>>8447317
He's right.

We should abolish common core and teach our children locally

-t. Donald J Trump

>>8452453
>highest achievers

that's a funny way to spell cheaters

>>8454213
>No one has made an attempt to even argue against the core concept in this thread which shows that the video's premise (at least in relation to the thread) has merit due to the fact everyone is attacking everything but the custom curriculum part.

Because you would need a dedicated teacher per student to pull that off or radically reduce the amount of time the student learns for.

Individual education could work in early elementary school (grades 1~4) where kids learn less than 15 minutes of material a day (compared to home school kids). Beyond that you have to have group education.