> USA working on manned mission to Mars > Europe still

>>8423828

Budget of NASA : 19 300 millions $
Budget of ESA : 5 764 millions $

>>8423855
Number of European flags on Mars: 0

>>8423855

What's the combined GDP of the 22 member states?

This reminds me of that probe India sent to the moon. A million news articles on how it was the lowest cost for a probe to the moon and how India might revolutionize space which has been dominated by high costs projects from NASA.
>it fails
Articles about the failure. Very little.

I'm almost convinced that the US have a secret laser satellite around mars that they use to blow up everyone elses landers and rovers, just for the claim of sovereignty.

>>8423984
>This reminds me of that probe India sent to the moon.
It achieved almost everything it was intended to

And then India sent a probe to mars on the cheap and that one is going fine

>>8423855
/thread

>>8423828
>ESA successfully lands probe on comet
>US never even orbited one

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>>8424008
"lands" it failed to deploy it's harpoons and somehow managed to land in the worst spot possible. And why is this even a thread? I thought space travel wasn't supposed to be limited by biases down here. Can we stop with this dick measuring contest for christ sake and actually do something productive?

>>8424044
Because the US actually has a dick. EU, and everyone else are pussies.

>>8424044
Its just trolling. And it did land and achieved everything it was intended to achieve

>>8424044
the only way that we can make progress in space is with intense nationalistic competition. this is just how the system works.

>>8424068
>the only way that we can make progress in space is with intense nationalistic competition
Nah, we needed that early on to get the foundations built, now its all about cooperation

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>>8423976

United, we are the biggest economy in the world but the disparities in Europe are very large. Basically, France, Germany and UK are the 3 giants and far behind Italy and Spain and even further behind the rest.

Contributions to ESA, France and Germany represent 1/3 of the budget, then comes Italy and the UK and then the rest contributes symbolically.

>>8423997
Or, mars battle rovers. Space war would be as entertaining as those fighting robots tv shows.

>>8424077
Biggest economy, but doing the shittiest stuff. What is the EU wasting all it's money on?

>>8424099
Refugees

>>8424099
free education and healthcare

>>8424077
>united
But you aren't united in any legitimate sense that justifies adding all the economies together and pretending like you are in remotely the same tier as single countries like the US or China. You are living a fantasy.

>>8424099
EU has twice americas population and is generally more socialist, so social costs are much higher

>>8424128
EU currently is fairly similar in structure to early United States, aka several independant nations cooperating together, for the most part

>>8424151

you mean the pre-Constitution United States. The US moved away from the Articles of Confederation to avoid all the problems the EU has (namely, conflicts-of-interest developing between individual member states and larger states bullying smaller ones)

>>8424173
No, the post-revolution US, When each state was still essentially an independant nation acting mostly in its own interest. The only significant difference was that the US has its own army and the EU doesnt

>>8424182

We are talking about the same thing: originally the US was exactly as you said underneath the Articles of Confederation. It did not work so the US Constitution and US Bill of Rights was ratified in 1788.

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>>8424044
>human endeavors
>not limited by biases

>>8424173

I know this may upset some if I say that but compared to Europe, the states in the USA have no history. Some of Europeans countries have over 3,000 years of history, some 2000 years or 1500 years of history. The EU was born out of the most important war that humanity has ever known and it was only 70 years ago.

This is already really amazing that we managed to unite dozens of countries which have a long history and who make war for hundreds of years. And we managed to do it in 70 years.

Imagine if the US, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Brazil, Chile and Peru + 15 others, not allied but united to form one entity with a single currency and common laws.

>>8424182
>>8424189
The US is still a bunch of nations working under 1 umbrella. That's why Texas always threatens to leave it at the drop of a hat.

>>8424189
>>8424182
>>8424173
>>8424151
Which will never happen because countries are rushing to LEAVE it

>>8424235
>the states in the USA have no history.

As someone who is part native american, fuck you.

>>8424235

The European Theater is just that: European. Outside of Europe nobody really cares about it. Same for WW1. Take note of all the big budget items the DoD spends money on: aircraft carriers, carrier-borne aircraft (including VTOLs) and missiles. Things that make a huge difference in naval conflicts (ie, the Pacific Theater) but are not as useful on land (where traditional artillery and tanks retain a major advantage).

>Imagine if the US, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Brazil, Chile and Peru + 15 others, not allied but united to form one entity with a single currency and common laws.

The US has been integrated with the entire new world since we claimed it following the Spanish-American war in 1898. This is why we keep intervening in their affairs, and why they keep coming here.

The point being is that europeans really need to get over themselves if they want the EU to survive, ultimately the things that divide europe are mostly pettty cultural things.

>>8424236
>The US is still a bunch of nations working under 1 umbrella
Nah, now its a centralized state. Civil war ended any genuine independence of the states. Texans like to talk about secession but they cant physically or legally do it

>>8424281
A central authority cannot grow in power and influence indefinitely though, none in history ever has.

Remember that once upon a time you would have had to pay tribute and sovereignty to some cunt living in Rome or Istanbul or Karakorum or London even if was 3,000 miles away from you, and now none of those guys rule anything 300 miles away from them

>>8424287
>A central authority cannot grow in power and influence indefinitely though, none in history ever has.
So? What does that have to do with anything

>>8424289
"Texas" or "California" or even fucking Delaware are all potentially more permanent entities than "The United States" is

When the United States dissolves it will be very sudden, like the Soviet Union before it. People won't know for sure until even a month before it happens.

>>8424292
Well, there are no signs at all of that happening soon, state identity is the weakest it has ever been while national identity is strong

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>>8424299
>Well, there are no signs at all of that happening soon
Like I said, there wouldn't be. People were heralding the strength of the USSR in 1989.

>state identity is the weakest it has ever been
Not going to argue with you there

>while national identity is strong
Definitely going to argue with you there. The youngest generation never gives a shit in any given era, but ours doesn't give a shit in record numbers. There's a million competing identities. What does "being an American" even mean at this point? It doesn't mean freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc., the majority don't give a shit about that, even people who pretend to.

>>8424381
>>8424368
>>8424240
What the fuck are you doin man

>>8424404
Fuck off man

>>8424404
Fuck off man

>>8424412
Wish you had posted that two minutes faster lol

>>8424008

That sure was an awkward landing friendo.

>>8424064
yep, US has a dick. In its ass.

>>8424068
>I know the only way
No, you do not.

>>8423828
If I had to be around Americans 24/7 I'd be busting my ass off to get to space too.

>>8424633
Better than no landing at all mate

>>8423984
It failed? What are you talking about?

They are still collecting data with it after two years. Anyway, the primary objective for India was to demonstrate its capability in achieving interplanetary spaceflight. As far as I know, India has a followup mission in 2018 or 2019, and a moon lander mission in 2018.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missions_to_Mars
>Mars Orbiter Mission
>Operational

Looks like the mission is going so well that it has been extended.

>>8424910
Wrong mission. He was talking about this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrayaan-1

>>8424911
Wow, that was a fast reply...

If he was talking about Chandrayaan then it matters even less, because Chandrayaan mission was India's first ever attempt at a probe to another body. They had achieved orbital insertion and were able to collect a sizeable part of the mission data.

From the wiki article that you've linked:
>Chandrayaan operated for 312 days as opposed to the intended two years but the mission achieved 95% of its planned objectives.[2][16][17][18] Among its many achievements, the greatest achievement was the discovery of the widespread presence of water molecules in the lunar soil.[19][20]

I didnt hear anything before the mission about this orbiter it was all about the lander. Now they are saying the mission was a success because the lander wasnt the main part of it and it was only the orbiter they really care about. Just admit failure jesus christ.

>>8423828
You do know it's no longer national right? Like the INTERNATIONAL Space Station for example.

Also, moonlanding was an obvious fake
>What is van Allen belt
Ajd the US hasn't even done anything meaningful this millennium yet.

Piss off ya dumb indoctrinated redneck. Educate yourself

>>8424923
>>What is van Allen belt
A dangerous area of space that you can fly around

>>8424008

The US bombed a comet

>>8424923
>Like the INTERNATIONAL Space Station

It's like 80 or 90% funded by the USA.

>>8424956
Typical yanks, even their science has to involve bombing

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>yuropoor "engineering"

>>8424977
>pretending to land on the moon

>parachute deployed too early
>retrorockets fired for only a few seconds compared to the expected 30 seconds
Rip in peace

>>8423828
Well it looks like it worked perfectly up until either the rockets fired to early or to short. An important part of the mission was to retrieve the telemetry from the descent and they got that.

But holy shit ESA, why do you find it so difficult to build landers that work? It's the third failed landing in a row. Even the NASA can do it, why can't them?

>>8425004
>pretending we didn't land on the moon

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>What is the probability that the rover has crash landed?
>I don't understand the question

>>8425063
>crash landed
More like crash exploded

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>>8423828
cant wait to see NASA making some cool human fireworks again.

>>8425901
i bet your country has never even gotten a monkey into orbit

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>>8426539
It is kinda mind blowing that half a century later not only had nobody else walked on the moon but only THREE countries have even managed to ever put a guy in LEO

Other 193 countries, what are you faggots even doing?

>>8426557
What is the point of putting people in LEO or even in space in general? It's absolutely worthless, we should just be spamming probes everywhere instead.

>>8426763
shekels from the dumb populus who think it matters

although, colonization would be good, but you're right, probes/rovers are better right now

>>8426557
It takes high tech industry and high IQ workers to do it
So that rules out the majority of the world from even attempting space travel.

Europe has been in rapid socialist decline, so has the US, no surprise we haven't done much.

>>8425039
>pretending it wasnt german engineering and US spies in SU

>>8424151
>Early, United States
>Several independent nation co-operating together
>co-operating together
Obvious, European who doesn't know American history or government. You make me sick.

>>8425030

>Recked in Peace

>>8426763
>What is the point of putting people in LEO or even in space in general? I
Scientific research?
A human can still do five years of robot work in twenty minutes.

Why are we wasting money trying to land on some empty rock?

>>8426905
We could give scholarships to niggers instead

>>8426905
Because there's a lot of really interesting things to discover on that rock.

>>8423828
Not bad to have buck up plan in case USA fucks itself up.

>>8423997
There is a game about it. Battlezone.

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>THIS DOEST NOT FOOKIN CRASH

>>8424064
I remembering, that USA had problem about connection between their station and USSRs one. Because USA part of the port was"female".

>>8424239
Part neanderthal too, I presume?

>>8426916
He did it again!!!!
MADMAN

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>>8426916
Umm...sorry, excuse me who are you again?...I dont understand why these people call you "based"...

>>8426925
Kek, is this the new /sp/ submeme?

So the euro rover is pretty much known to be destroyed at this point

JUST

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>>8427564
Looks like that white dot are the parachutes and that black dot where it crash landed.

>>8427631

Oho, I hadn't noticed the parachute dot.

>>8424239
Why did you leave Europe/Africa, you fucking economic migrant neanderthal

>>8427631
Yep.
JUST

>>8427631
>>8427564
>>8427643
Well, at least it landed/hit Mars. That has to count for something, right?

>>8427699
Yea we did that with beagle years ago

>>8427704
You going for the record?

>>8427707
Looks that way, sadly

I do love it when Euros and Russians try to land on American clay and fails. Here's to China joining the failure's club.

>>8423828

All you retards get out of my /sci/ and go back to /int/ and /pol/

>>8424920
TGO was the main mission. The lander was added much later. That's historical fact regardless of what you heard.

>>8425038
>It's the third failed landing in a row.
2 in a row, Huygens worked.

>>8424962
it was started by the russian, it would have been impossible without russian vehicles

it would have been very possible without americans, just a bit smaller

check mate burguer

>>8426769
>rapid socialist decline,
The us after the 1930 crash and particularly after ww2 was VERY socialistic (google maynard keynes)

the state invested had an iron fist control over the economy via investmetns and welfare, it made pretty sure everyone had a decent job , this is what's known as the american dream, widespread aplication of communist measures.

In particular the moon landings are teh workings of ultra centralized communist way of decision making even worse than russia ever did


in the 1970 when you returned to free market capitalism everything started going down hill and people started living worse, true story check any statistics

>>8428647
During the Golden Age you're describing America was also nearly 90% white.

Like the mysterious reason that democratic socialism worked way better in Sweden and Denmark than it did in Venezuela and Uganda.

>>8428647
t. delusional pinko

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>>8423828
Opportunity and Curiosity should drive over to the ExoMars Lander and send ESA a selfies of them teabagging the lander.

>>8428647

What the fuck?

Shut the hell up

>>8424077
Let us not forget that the EU, wanting to demonstrate growth, started adding the underground economy into the official economy. You just cannot make this up. So prostitution is now good for EU. And man, is there a lot of it.

The rather puritan US probably does not du the same.

>>8423855
IQ of NASA: [math]10^{200}[/math]
IQ of ESA: [math]i[/math]

>>8429751
>>8429742
>>8428702
see? americans nowadays dont even know objective history facts