Why do universities still have BA faculties? Please watch: (

>>8410481
there's already another thread on the front page

I'm assuming this video was posted on /pol/ and now it's being posted here as a result?

>>8410494
Really? No, I'm an engineering student in South Africa and have not been able to attend university for the last 3 weeks due to these idiots so I thought I'd let the world know about it.

>>8410508
I hope they know if they get their wish, it'll simply mean the end of university level education in South Africa, as it will no longer be financially viable. A more realistic goal would be to decrease tuition fees, simply removing them is a socialist pipe-dream.

>>8410521
Why do so many countries have absolutely no tuition fees?

>>8410544
Because someone else backs the buck, but countries with the best universities have tuition fees, coincidence? No, it is because they generate the funding to offer the best education.

>>8410544
Are there any nations which:

1) Aren't shit
2) Aren't protected by the US military
3) Have free university for all ?

>>8410557
Singapore has symbolical fees for residents I think. Most of the best university metrics are a memes that are 90% about being in anglo-sphere and brain draining people using bigger money. When it comes to general education and intelligence as measured by actual ability tests the top is made up of free education countries.
>>8410559
>1) Aren't shit
Poland, Finland, Estonia, Sweden, Norway, Germany...
2) None of them are. France alone can destroy Russia (the only real problem there) in open warfare without accounting for nukes. Actually any of these countries would be too costly to invade and just bleed out any attackers. USA is pretty much overspending on the military to feel relevant and justifying any country making better use out of its budget as being protected by USA and they can only ever exists thanks to USA USA USA. American exceptionalism in a nutshell.
3) Have free university for all ?
Most of them should I didn't bother checking.

>>8410521
Of course, I and the majority of students in South Africa do acknowledge this fact and also suggest similar ideas. However, it only takes a few to burn down a building... after watching a few interviews on TV and questioning some of the students myself I found that almost all of them were humanities students. Of about 300 final year engineering students only two were pro #feesmustfall.

>>8410575
How do you pay people if you don't generate any incoming cash to pay those people, anon? :^)

>>8410593
By using government budget that gives you incentive to do something useful with people since that's what they want: workforce. You also are able to use money from uneducated people to make educated people. Private education is mostly about scamming people and making fake statistics to look good.

>>8410604
That still isn't free, that revenue is generated from taxes. So, someone is still paying for their education. Try again?

>>8410607
That's exactly free in that sense. Taxes are paid mostly by the people who don't need that money for the people that do need the money and by being able to set rules for tax money distribution you can root out shit that unregulated market makes like scam universities, terrible internet speed caps, poor infrastructure, scam hospitals, and more.

>>8410619
>That's exactly free in that sense.
No it isn't, it would scale, the more demand for funding (due to increase in government infrastructure) the more tax you would be required to pay to pay for it.
>Taxes are paid mostly by the people who don't need that money for the people that do need the money.
That's mostly true, however:
>who don't need that money
Define that, kindly?
>by being able to set rules for tax money distribution you can root out shit that unregulated market makes like scam universities, terrible internet speed caps, poor infrastructure, scam hospitals, and more.
Explain why so much aid money or taxes, in corrupt countries, aren't spent on those things? Taxes don't remove corruption, in fact, granting more control to government in that aspect allows more corruption.

>>8410625
>Define that, kindly?
Rich people who can lose a large amount of their income without losing anything but most expensive of amenities.
>Taxes don't remove corruption, in fact, granting more control to government in that aspect allows more corruption.
Corruption and inefficiency exists on greater level in the private sector. Almost all private universities here are for people who couldn't get into public ones and are scam factories of useless degrees that often go under after taking your money. Most of public universities are of good quality with several very good ones.

>>8410575

You're fucking delusional, Russia would stomp France

>>8410481
People are becoming soft, it started with the baby boomers, now its gone way too far. Students from liberal arts schools, literally millions of them now exist, who don't even believe in national sovereignty, and freedom of speech, but that worst of all believe that there is some lost ancient wisdome in black people who if we could only spend time to listen to and search for it we would discover some valuable knowledge. It goes farther than just the "we wuz" nonsense on \pol...
There is something fundamentally different about the goals of African people towards science. Science in Europe has always been about controlling and shaping the environment around us. The ultimate goal of western science is for humans to ascend to become literal gods manipulating the space around them with perfect control, building ourselves a utopia filled with solid surfaces and right angles, and clocks that always tell the correct time. Creating life and death and reshaping the universe as we see fit.
In Africa people still insist on doing things by hand and always making things more difficult than necessary, given a million years its not obvious civilization would ever appear in these communities because what we consider to be civilization is not their goal. What is their goal? I have no idea, but I have begun to consider that a large portion of the world is barely even conscious of their own thoughts. They have no desire to manipulate the environment around them, they simply are content to be swept along by arbitrary rules, and think whatever they are told to think. Western science has a goal of absolute destructive and absolute creative power, black people don't seem to poses this same drive to shape their environment and it is reflected in their poor ability to conduct good science.

>>8410481

I blame public schools

some of the shit I've had to put up with in public school was just infuriating

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>>8410575
> Poland, Estonia
> france would stomp russia

are you trying ruse me again boland

cyka blyat

>>8410481
>BA

Some schools give out all BAs, others all BS. This is a meaningless distinction.

>>8410557
sorry, no
better luck next time
the only good schools in the US are MIT and Stanford and they waive almost all their tuition for the students that are actually worth educating.
MIT, McGill, Oxford, ENS Lyon, ETH Zurich, and Stanford.
Anything else is a pure meme

>>8411134
There are many good universities in the US. AT least as far as STEM is concerned.

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>>8410481
this can't be real

>>8410954
Yeah to be more specific, France would blitz then stomp Russia

>>8410575
>France alone can destroy Russia

please. before you go spouting about french military tech or how super elite french soldiers are, go take a good hard look at the actual numbers.

a couple carriers can house all of france's fighters

>>8411263
It is and youtube is full of others saying similar bullshit.

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>>8410481
lol, whatever. the chinks are going to destroy that continent.

Looks like anti-technocratic Fascism to me

>>8410481
Not gonna lie i totally get where she is coming from. She does a shit job at explaining it though, as through he lens of whoever taught it to her was not clear.

There is an issue with western idealogy in science. It pervades it all, but psychology is the biggest (blah blah meme blah blah fuck off). Western cultures view through an individualistic lens and others a collectivistic lens (which quite frankly is the future of science, ie collaboration which is dependent on collectivism rather than individualism) So it does affect science in a sense, and i would agree that it is negative.

BUT to rewrite science and the extreme nature in which she describes it is admittedly hyperbolic.

>>8411134
>typical /sci/ NEET/ cc student

There are so many amazing STEM universities in the U.S. its ridiculous

Cal poly, Georgia tech, Colorado school of mines, viterbi, UCLA, John Hopkins, Purdue, Columbia, Texas A&M, UMichigan and the list goes on and on and on.

There's a reason the United States has won the most Nobel prizes and it isn't luck. US has the best university system in the world, producing the brightest and most creative minds. Now that UK won't be part of EU anymore, the US will have more Nobel prizes than even all of EU combined.

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>apes and liberal womyn in charge of science

I hope you're happy, shitlibs.

>>8411373
Psychology isn't a hard science, you fuckwit. It's a social science, which means it has fuck all to do with hard science and is just philosophy in disguise. Of course mainstream psychology has western influence - that's who wrote the books...

Would you complain that Chinese medicine has overt eastern cultural heritage? Of course not, because it IS a product of eastern culture

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>>8411134
>MIT
>good

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>>8411390
>Colorado school of mines
>amazing

no. this place is a fucking meme.

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>>8411134
>Oxford
>good

I'm sure the multi-million islamic studies complex they built recently will advance science.

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>>8411373
>collectivism
western countries would probably all be fascist right now if they were collectivist, if anything you should be thankful there are tons of individualists who reject nearly every zany ideology and religion that comes their way, even if you find it annoying when we scrutinize yours

>>8411390
>>8411405
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUQcgkmfDpw
looks like fun

>>8411373
>collaboration which is dependent on collectivism rather than individualism
not true at all. collaboration is the combined efforts of individuals for a goal. people certainly don't need to yoke themselves to a collective to collaborate. collectivism is highly susceptible to groupthink which is terrible for science where you want every detailed scrutinized. the more individualism in science the better.

>>8411405
It's better than the shit tier school you go to, anon.

How do I know?
>(blank) is a meme

Kill
Yourself
Faggot

>>8410824
Underrated post.

I think many of these people just do not understand the project of science. This is why public school education needs to focus on the philosophy of science, epistemology and scientific method, rather than basic facts. Or at least provide a certain kind of epistemological scaffolding.

There's nothing wrong with being into science and into more "soft" things like art or culture. Many humanities students I know tend to see the two as completely separate, and even see science as impinging on art, culture, emotion, etc.

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>these people consider themselves academics

>>8410575
You're severely confused about the state of EU military power which is severely dependent on US deterency. The US doesn't overspend on military at all. The military spending is so expensive because of the global scale of US military and numerous defense agreements. This isn't the US trying to be relevent. It's the result of numerous nations offloading their military spending onto the US for trade agreements and other mutually beneficial deals. The US has essentially subsidized the military on a global scale.

>>8410824
>What is their goal? I have no idea,
TO DIE FROM AIDS

>>8410559
Switzerland
ETH Zurich and EPF Lausanne are amazing universities

Also not that many US universities are actually good, less than 10. In a country that big it makes sense that you would have that many great institutions whether they have huge fees or not

>>8411553
They don't care about that shit, really. They're just niggers riding the gravy train of white guilt.

>>8410954
just ignore his baiting brotishka :)

>>8411134
>>8411390
What? Why don't you put Harvard or Berkeley here? They are the best

>>8411768
>ETH Zurich and EPF Lausanne
They both have tuition fees, don't they?

>>8411373
Honestly this. Did anyone else actually watch the video and listen to what the woman said? Talking about hypothetically decolonizing the sciences is not the same as demanding that they must fall.

>>8411134
>the only good schools in the US are MIT and Stanford and they waive almost all their tuition for the students that are actually worth educating.
I remain unconvinced that you "need" tuition in order to have top education, but your point is pretty irrelevant. An elite of talented, tuition-free students supported by a large number of payers isn't an argument against tuition - rather the opposite.

>>8411134
>ENS Lyon
>not Ulm
wtf anon ?

>>8410575
>p*land
>not shit
Can't confirm

>>8411802
I was trying to put together a list of universities that aren't mentioned as much by non-degree holders, but nonetheless have some of the best STEM programs in the world, high number of Nobel laureates, etc

This board is populated with community college rats who think they're gonna get a transfer acceptance to MIT cuz they got an A in calculus 1, and small-minded Europeans who dont realize every state in the US has at least one solid university. New England alone has more top-tier universities than all of EU.

It's also ridiculous how every NEET on here thinks you need to go to a top 10 research university for your Ph.D. in maths and have a genius level iq to make any kind of noteworthy contribution. Science is worked from the ground up - those high in the sky winning lofty prizes are doing so while standing on the shoulders of smaller men's work (who most likely have degrees from no name universities).

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>>8410575
>Estonia
>not a god forsaken frozen hellhole
>not Russia's bitch if it wasn't for NATO

top kek

>>8412311
>New England alone has more top-tier universities than all of EU.
lmao

>>8411806
like 600 CHF per semester

>>8410481
>Why do universities still have BA faculties?
people who are thinking this is a problem with arts programs, why?
i'm doing a philosophy BA, not seeing much of this
i've noticed a bit more of the anti-western modernity, social constructivist, deconstruct-the-hegemonic-narratives stuff in a history of western esotericism course i'm taking, but that's history of religion -- do you want to abolish that?

>>8411263
CAN YOU EXPLAIN DA LIGHTING?
HA, DECOLONIZE!

>>8410575
>France alone can destroy Russia
France couldn't destroy Gaddafi, dumbass.

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>>8411263
We have such science to show you.

>>8410481
We need to stop these Social "Science" retards messing with science. For the love of God, science can't be Racist or sexist or transphobic or whatever buzzwords these Marxist dummies use, science when proven right is objetive.

>decolonize your mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzkrE0jaEFk

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>>8413856
Tolerance of homosexuality is European colonialism.

>>8410481
>>8413829
more

>>8410481
/pol/ pls go

>>8411410
That's Cambridge, not Oxford

>>8411827
their definition of "decolonizing" is irrelevant to the actual enterprise of science. the academic left has an obsession with letting identity politics spill into every facet of life possible, and let's face it: any movement where identity politics start to be a factor tends to wane out (anyone remember OCCUPY WALLSTREET? what happened to it?). what does the color of newton's skin have to do with him being the first to know about gravitation? why should it matter?

the other disturbing fact is that many of these academics haven't even set foot in science classes themselves. the speaker in the video even admits she hadn't taken any courses beyond the high school level, and let's face it: high school science education doesn't exactly create a superbly enlightened generation of teenagers. most of them don't give a fuck.

the level of ultracrepidarianism in their speech begs the question of whether they can be taken seriously by anyone who does science.. not to mention what they are proposing is incredibly time consuming and counter-productive.

>>8411428
Monster cringe

>>8411410
These 6 students are extremely representative of the entire University

>>8413994
Despite them all being from Cambridge?

>>8410575
Pretty sure a few of those countries are in NATO so are protected by the USA, and fuck France has no hope of defeating Russia. Russia are a military super power who would give the US a run for its money any day of the week... you need to read up on military logitiscs and fire power

>>8414022
>Russia are a military super power who would give the US a run for its money any day of the week.
No.

>>8410655
LOLOLOLOL PRIVATE UNIVERSITIES FUCKING DESTROY PUBLIC ONES BRO. Public unis are more like diploma mills compared to privates