let's face it /sci/, man was never meant to explore the

>>8317623
my BBC can easily reach.

whitey mad his dick small as fuck lmao

>>8317623
it is true, we must create a new form of life, robust and immortal like our machines yet with brains like our own to ensure they are sapient like us

>>8317623
Exactly, which is that money should go towards helping developing nations.

You just forgot the fusion reactor. When this technology will become more common it will allow to travel at 0.1c (or more)

OP is not thinking with portals

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>>8317623
Man should learn to fully utilise the resources close to us first before even trying to explore the universe. Build a dyson sphere or even consume the sun to build a giant habitat. Then who even needs to explore the universe when you don't even have to time to explore your own habitat.

>>8317656
Kek

>>8317630
this.

>>8317623
>Man was never meant to fly due to the massive distance between them and the sky.
>Man was never meant to go to the moon due to the massive distance between the earth and it.
>Man was never meant to cross the sea to different continents due to the massive distance between them and it.

I may not be a /sci/entist. I may not know anything about biology, physics, advance mathematics, technology or science, but you sound like a faggot who needs to kill themselves.

>>8317674
Excellent false analogy

>>8317623
>man was never meant

why do you assume there is supposed to be a meaning
man was never "meant" to build automobiles and make chicken soup but he does anyway

natural selection isnt intelligent design

>>8317669
And we go back to the ancient problem of the humanity. We don't know what we realy want

ftl travel fag.

>>8317682
Not possible fag

>>8317677
Even if its false and the two things aren't comparable it still has its merit.

>>8317677
If anything's false, it's your logic.

>>8317680
I know what i want. I want to explore.

>>8317674
> I may not know anything about biology, physics, advance mathematics, technology or science

never would have guessed

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>>8317810
There are universes within simple algorithms to explore right now. You just need a computer and time to make the calculations.

>>8317623
We weren't inherently meant to do anything outside of pass along our genes, but not being specifically designed to carry out a task hasn't stopped us in the past. We have yet to know if such a thing is impossible because we've never tried, but we will eventually. Until then I'd reserve judgment.

>>8317993
>We weren't inherently meant to do anything outside of pass along our genes
And why were we "inherently" meant to do that?

>>8317623
nigga, we still have a good thousand years of dicking around in our own solar system before we even think about going interstellar.

Not true. The closer you get to the speed of light, the slower time gets. We could get close enough to travel to other planets and solar systems within a lifespan. Watch Cosmos man, you learn :)

>>8318002
We have so much to explore... even right here on earth.

>>8318004
That takes shitloads of energy though and is incredibly inefficient.

>>8318001
Mistake on my part, I really should have said we weren't intentionally designed to do anything because there's no evidence to indicate any form of intention or for that matter design.

>>8318007
most of our machines are crazy inefficient.

>>8318012
Yeah but that's limited by engineering, not laws of physics.

>>8318015
>that's limited by engineering, not laws of physics.

i really want you to think about what you just said.

Sounds like a challenge to me.

>>8318018
You can't lower the energy needed to accelerate a mass to .99999c with engineering

>>8318031
no, but we can hamfistedly throw more energy at it till we get a 'good enough' output. just we like we do with every other machine.

>>8318031

So we'll just consume a sun or two on the way, it'll be just like pulling over for gas except we'll be destroying solar systems.

>>8318034
Yeah and that's incredibly inefficient compared to sending out AI at .3c instead.

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>>8318037
>wasting the energy from perfectly good stars just to get to further distant stars

>>8318038
and thats incredibly inefficient compared to just building fuckhuge telescopes if all we want to do is look.

colonization my man, thats the end goal.

>>8318049
How incredibly narrow minded

>>8318052
not even. they would be building sized satellites spread AU distances apart. we could do it right now with current technology and wouldn't have to wait for AI to be developed.

with an arrayed telescope we could analyze nearby exoplanets in extremely high detail. very little need to send a probe.

>>8318062
I meant
>colonization my man, thats the end goal.

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>>8317623
>meant to
Idiot

>explore the universe due to the massive distances between everything

So what? There is more than enough to see, explore, and colonize within 20 light years, hell probably within our own solar system. Fuck the universe.

>BTW I am well aware that even with Star Trek technology reaching another galaxy is impossible, but who cares? There's plenty right here. How about worrying about reaching our neigboring worlds before getting butthurt about far out shit like astronatus going to Andromeda or the edge of the universe? We can still start entire new civilizations on Mars or around Epsilon Eridani and you're going on about this shit? Idiot.

>>8318065
why else engage in extra solar activities? you can learn about the rest of the universe from well within our own oort cloud.

ITT pseudo-intellectuals trip over each other to see who can be the most edgy

>>8318081
>pragmatism = edgy

it has to be controversial to be edgy. nobody gives enough of a shit about space for it to be controversial.

>>8318084
>nobody gives enough of a shit about space for it to be controversial
My experience on reddit and pop-sci youtube channels begs to differ.

Try suggesting to space nerds that Mars colonization and manned spaceflight is a waste of time.

>>8318007
Maybe now, but in the future? He said ever, meaning all of human existence.

>>8318006
What's wrong with wanting to explore other things?

Your post is so fucking stupid it hurts.

>>8317623
>meant
All that matters is what the universe affords via its laws. Things are only "meant" via their intrinsic properties.

Shouldn't the first goal before space exploration for a race be mastering their own biological mortality and diseases so they have an indefinite lifespan, and x-unlimited time to do anything including mastering the universe?

>>8318094
Try suggesting to space nerds that people sent to colonize Mars would have too much brain damage to be useful by the time they got there.

Unpleasant truths that break the old sci-fi you were raised on can hurt.

>>8317623
Probably not physically. It's not close to being viable. More like our creations are meant to explore the universe while we sit on our shithole planet.

The mortal vessel is bound to Earth, just as the cell is bound to the body. We may be able to survive in a petrie dish for a while but without the overall system we are nothing.

AI is what will conquer the cosmos:
>immortal
>time is relative as AI can speed up or go to sleep at will
>hardened to radiation, vacuum, cold and heat of space
>hardened to acceleration
>powered directly by same energy as vessel
>vessels aren't hindered by having to carry living space, food, water, facilities and meatbags

Face it humans are stuck on Earth yet we shit this place up like we're leaving tomorrow. The UFOs are likely just watching us to see if some of us are smart enough to give birth to the true cosmic kin. If they wanted us we'd already know about it.

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>>8318331
>pretentious supposition™: the post

Why dont we just build virtual reality machines so we dont have efficiently space travel to get the same results as an virtual reality machine. Space travel is a waste of time. Fixed your problem OP.

>>8318407
so we dont have to*

>>8318343

>ad-hominem
Thanks for conceding, you have met your superior.

>>8318034
>no, but we can hamfistedly throw more energy at it till we get a 'good enough' output.
No we can't because we can't put the energy of the sun into our spaceship's glove compartment. And no amount of throwing more energy at it will solve the problem. The hard limit of energy utilization is direct matter-to-energy conversion at 100% efficiency, which is not good enough to travel at speeds close to c. Other hard limits you can't violate are the rocket equation and conservation of momentum.

>>8317810
>>8317826
as you can see, everyone does not agree with your view of the world.

>>8317623
> Man was never meant to travel across the seas
> Man was never meant to go faster than five miles per hour
> Man was never meant to fly
> Man was never meant to go to space

Tell me, how is this any different?

>>8318842
Extrapolation is less reliable than interpolation.

I don't know about interstellar travel but there are certain things we will never reach due to hard physical limits. For example, even if we travel at 0.99c we will never reach any object outside our local group because the expansion of space is too fast.

>>8318842
All human achievements are technology. Without technology, humans can't even survive in many of their current settlements on Earth. Humans weren't meant for space (both because humans aren't meant for anything and because space doesn't offer conditions that aid the development of life) but humans can create something that is meant for space. But that something won't be humans. Sentient machines no doubt, maybe even made in the image of humans but not actual humans.

Also, SCALE. Dumb motherfuckers don't care about scale: a person can circle the Earth within their lifetime, even with primitive vessels. The closest neighboring solar system is already piles upon piles of lifetimes away unless you're moving at speeds that require more energy than global civilisation consumes annually. It's like trying to go from throwing a rock to throwing the moon in one step.

>>8318852
There could well be loopholes to travel at FTL speed.

Alternatively, we embrace relativity; we simply work on a system-scale. A star system should be more than enough.

>>8318859
>There could well be loopholes to travel at FTL speed.
That's pure speculation at the moment

>>8318859
>Alternatively, we embrace relativity; we simply work on a system-scale. A star system should be more than enough.
This is slightly less far fetched

>>8317669
I think you underestimate exponential growth (humans fucking and making babies)

>>8317623
>man was never meant to eat cooked food
>becoz no stove in throat
fgt pls

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>>8317623

10,000 years ago
>let's face it Maka-Kegga, man was never meant to explore the lands due to the massive distances between everything.

5,000 years ago
>let's face it Uruk, man was never meant to explore the oceans due to the massive distances between everything.

2,000 years ago
>let's face it Archias, man was never meant to explore the skys due to the massive distances between everything.

now on a Lebanese flavored ramen comparison imageboard
>let's face it /sci/, man was never meant to explore the universe due to the massive distances between everything.

>>8319975
None of those other distances are massive though.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/his/

>>8318331
>AI is what will conquer the cosmos:
Why is all this transhumanism/singularity schtick taken seriously by anyone?

>>8319975
the thing is that this time we're fighting against the fundamental laws of the universe rather than
>how the fuck did you get to the americas without getting scurvy
i hope sci-fi stuff like warping is possible, but i'm not holding my breath

>>8319985
Walk to a different country.

>>8317669
>People should do things my way otherwise - they should fuck off.

>>8320120
Thatd take from a week to whole months. Its a lot of time but definitely manageable, tons of people have done it.

>>8319985

>None of those other distances are massive though.
The distances are massive relative to the time period discussed.

Crossing the world's lands 10,000 years ago in a single lifetime would have been impossible.

Crossing the world's oceans 5,000 years ago in a single lifetime would have been impossible.

Crossing the world's skys 2,000 years ago in a single lifetime would have been impossible.

>>8320726
>distances are massive relative to the time

Didn't know the speed of light changed over time.
Huh, TIL

OP, you might have gotten better responses if you'd posted this a few weeks back.
you know, before humanity discovered a rocky planet around a star that could be traveled to in mere decades by a probe.

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>>8317623
man was never meant to do anything except maybe procreate

>>8321007
Man never means to procreate.

>>8318852
Can I get some sauce or math to back that up?

>>8319975
Except humanity has already spread all over the world 20,000 years ago.

>>8317630
This

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>>8317669
>>8317680

The unknowable is terrifying, anons.

That’s why humanity explores. To shine a light on the frightening dark that surrounds us.

>>8321201
>That’s why humanity explores
No. It's actually new resources, not some poetic crap.

>>8321201
>>8321209

You are both wrong.
The real reason for human space exploration is purely geopolitical. America must have the ultimate high ground when it comes to space.

>>8317682
>let's take the big ass clump of ordinary matter that is a spaceship and make it go FTL
Even if something like FTL exists you'd have to be the biggest fucking retard to believe it can be achieved by macroscopic objects.

>>8317623
>meant to
lol

>>8319975
>land
The longest distance you can cover by walking is about 13 600 km.
>ocean
The lowest point of the ocean is about 11 km deep.
>sky
Earth's circumference is just 40 000 km and the highest altitude where normal planes can fly tops out somewhere at 30 km

Meanwhile the moon is already 380 000 km away and we've made very few successful attempts at landing a manned craft there, it's not something we can do casually.

The closest neighboring star is 4.243 light years away. Next to that all Earth-related distances do not even register. And space is a much more hostile environment than Earth's surface is.

>>8317679
/thread

It's feasible to inhabit our solar system, though.

Moon bases
Mars colonies
Various space stations in orbit of planets/moons
Commercial mining between them all

This is all realistic and will probably be done

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>>8321127
>even if we travel at 0.99c we will never reach any object outside our local group because the expansion of space is too fast

if that was what you were asking about here's where i learned that from

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL4yYHdDSWs

test

Why would God create a universe so gigantic if there wasn't a way we could explore it, I'm sure we'll find a way, someday. (I legitimately believe this.)

>>8317623
lets face it our species is ready to step down and let machines do evolution

>>8317623
Not with that attitude.

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>>8321563
el mayo

>>8320121
Reading comprehension: 6/10

These guys are right tho. Why waste time researching the current place we live in when we could have a completely new planet? We would just need to wear spacesuits all time and live in air tight houses and make sure none of these things break down due to natural wear and tear and discover how to make crops and figure out what to do in case of natural disasters. We've already explored this small earth enough amirite guys

>>8317819
Kek. Me neither. He sounds like a smart guy with a reasonable point though

>>8321602
Mostly just sounds completely clueless about the scale of the universe.

>tfw humans will never HaaH WaaW

>>8318070
wow someone had a bad day lol

>>8318869
>That's pure speculation at the moment
well we defnitely know that space can expand at a speed > c, do we not?

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>>8320732

>>8317623
ITT: a bunch of faggots discussing semantics and not the actual obvious point OP was trying to make. You faggots know what he meant to say, and yet you choose to shitpost about semantics rather than give a constructive answer. Go dig a hole and die in it.
As for OP: we still don't know shit about the universe and our tech is still in its infancy, who knows what our limits will be in say 1000 years.

we have shit tons of energy just waiting in our Sun, so that's not a problem. heck even with our current tech we could theoretically send people to other star systems, the only "problem" is the time necessary for this to be accomplished. with better tech and new scientific discoveries I believe this time will be substantially reduced. Or something completely revolutionary will happen that will open new unfamiliar horizons in space travel.

Yes it takes up a lot of resources and time, but you are wrong in thinking that interstellar travel will never take off

>>8322076
Quit being a fag op

>>8322084
not OP

>>8322097
still a fag

>>8322076
>heck even with our current tech we could theoretically send people to other star systems
nope

>the only "problem" is the time necessary for this to be accomplished
This problem makes it an insurmountable task with our current tech. Not to mention that a travel time longer than human lifespan means that no one is willing to go on a journey where there's not even a remote chance to see the destination and all one gets to see is the infinite blackness of nothing.

>>8321511
That's actually wrong. Ethan Siegel has an article on Forbes where it says we cannot reach further than local group if we leave after waiting some hundred billion years but we can reach big part of the observable universe if we leave now. He also says (in the comments) that the video has it wrong but he can't fix it (no say in the matter).
http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2016/05/12/the-limits-of-how-far-humanity-can-go-in-the-universe

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If we just chill for 4 billion years, the Andromeda galaxy will eventually merge with ours and we'll have lots of room for activities without having to dick around with intergalactic travel.

>>8322673
Isn't the sun suppose to turn into a Red Giant in 4 billion years and kill the Earth? Shouldn't the Earth be kill in 4 billion years?

In 4 billion years wouldn't Humanity been mastered the universe and waiting for the Andromeda Galaxy merge with ours become irrelevant?

What do anons think of a space ark?

IMHO we should drop a few million people on a ship, get it to as close to c as fast as possible, then have them decelerate and flip around. When they get back, a bunch of time will have passed. If humanity has wiped itself out, we simply drop a million off on Earth and do another round trip to see if those assholes were able to keep it together.

Rinse and repeat until we've created a stable society that will last 5ever

>>8317826
Maby if you add time to fractals, you'll get life

>>8317623

>>8317630
THIRDED.

Men will be known as the benevolent creator race that almost fucked up itself.

Our evolutionary children will conquer everything, and even breach the spaces between galactic groups, learn from out mistakes and become a level 3 to 5 civ.

>>8322725
there isn't any need for humans until they've reached the colonial planet. therefore the ark would be navigated by computer systems and invitro fertilised tubes would spawn the colonists after the many decades of travel (to beta centauri say). the computer would raise the human children and teach them about earth history and their mission on the colonial planet and if they can survive bingo we've successfully started the colonization of the galaxy.

if anything successive generations of living humans on an inter-solar mission would 99% likely end in failure.

>>8323213
No one said anything about generations. Time dilation allows for a million year trip within single generation.

>>8322673
If we end up using the space we have in this galaxy then having Andromeda here doesn't do shit. Exponential growth is such a huge thing that you need zero growth in the long run anyway.

>>8323198
If there are alien empires, we must rule them. We were bred to conquer. We survive off carnage. We have been at war with ourselves since the dawn of our civilizations - just imagine what we could do as a planet combined.

>>8323324
>a million year trip within a single generation
stfu /x/

>>8317645
>0.1c will get you anywhere in space

>>8323412
Dude is right anon. Read some relativistic stuff.

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>>8323405

>>8323485

It does.
https://youtu.be/3WtgmT5CYU8

>>8323520
His voice is so annoying to listen too...

>>8323412

But he's right. You'd probably need to burn up the energy of a star for that but still

>>8323534

I like his voice. I find that accent sexy