>Professors tell students: Drop class if you dispute man-

Do you debate Newton's laws in physics 101?

Fuck off conservashit
>>>/pol/

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>liberal menace
I think you lost on your way to /pol/. This is /sci/ -- The science board.

Are you expecting a physics professor debate whether gravity is real? No, and it has nothing to do about political ideologies. It's just stupid and a time waste to debate about topics that have already been proven correct.

Let's debate evolution in Evolutionary Biology

Let's debate the Fermat Theorem in Mathematics

Let's debate Gravity in Physics

Let's debate Astrology in Astrophysics

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>>8312050
>>8312052

>the science behind global warming being human induced is as solid as Newton's laws or General Relativity

How long ago did this board go down the shitter?

>>8312056
You are right, it is even more solid than Newton's

since Newton's is just an approximation, while man-made climate change is a reality

>>8312056
>>>/pol/
You have to go back.

>>8312060

[citation needed]

>>8312062
open a textbook

>>8312054
>>8312052
>>8312050
>mfw a guy in my course debated the professor about the rappresentation of variables in a computer
>he was saying that a variable cannot be equal to 3 because it was by definition a variable
I really do not envy biologists or climatologists trying to do their work

>>8312046
A course not about climate change refuses to debate climate change?

Seems reasonable.

Imagine being a physics professor and suddenly this faggot out of nowhere tries to argue with you that the Earth is flat

Would you spend an entire class debating with him? Nah, you would tell him to fuck off back to where he came from

>>8312067
>climatologists

You do realize these people are not actual scientists, right?

>>8312062
general relativity. special relativity, quantum mechanics.

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>>8312063
now what?

Who the fuck cares about global warming in 2016? Yes it's happening and no there's nothing we can do about it short of genociding 3/4 of the human population.

>>8312073
Where did you learn that? Stormfront or FoxNews?

>>8312076
That's not university material in a first world university

>>8312076

Venezuela I would think you'd try to do something more productive with your 5 hours of internet time per week

>>8312072
>nuh uh I'm right because of the letters behind my name
>that's right I'm appealing to authority and I'm the authority
>university is not a place for debate or discussion young man
W E W

>>8312072
or you can just demonstrate that the Earth is clearly not flat.

I even had a debate about Tycho Brahe's geocentric system in university.

>>8312046
I like how your school works, /sci/ should be like that. It's not like we have people arguing against evolution or claiming the earth is flat here every day. Climate deniers should stay on /pol/ or /x/.

>>8312083
No it's not since the day the amount of knowledge aviable in the world but greater than one could ever learn.

One goes to university to listen, not to talk

>mfw libtards cannot into a natural geological cycle

Do you cucks not realize we're still technically in a glacial age? That it's been dozens of degrees hotter on earth in the past?

>>8312089
>One goes to university to be indoctrinated, not to talk back
ftfy shlomo

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>>8312091
Go away /pol/yp

https://www.aps.org/policy/statements/15_3.cfm

APS made a formal statement about it, and they usually only do that for really dumb shit people believe like "magnetic fields give you cancer."

It's not a debatable topic because there is scientific consensus.

>>8312095
>I can't address his argument directly but he used the word cuck so I win

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Let's debate the axiom of choice in real analysis class

Oh wait, you can't because real analysis is bullshit! Checkmate libturds.

>>8312097
oops I didn't post the full statement
https://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm

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>>8312097

>scientific consensus is equal to empirical truth

>>8312102

So we'll have a global famine. Sounds good to me. Hopefully a lot of third world trash will disappear. Green revolution was a mistake

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>>8312046
>>8312046
>debating peer-reviewed science in introductory/bird courses
OP this is you

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/pol/ trash needs to leave

>>8312110
If you don't trust the scientific method then why are you here flat-earther? My bet is on shitposting/flaming/trolling which I guess I need to remind you is against global rule 3.

>>8312078
lol, you probably think psychology and sociology are sciences as well. That's cute :)

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Global warming is a hoax and a lie made up by Al gore that the liberals use to get votes from college age tree hugging faggots. Now its called climate change because the icebergs didn't instantly melt and cause the day after tomorrow to happen and it won't happen ever in a long time. Climate change doesn't exist. Fuck the trees, fuck the bees, kill all the pandas. Fucking pseudo intellectual environmentalist pricks.

>>8312110
>not trusting the scientific community because of some minor epistemological discrepancy between evidence and truth
I'm sure you're a wonderful person who knows many things.

>>8312127
Dangerously approaching peak Poe m8

Hey, anything to make premeds angry is a good thing.

>>8312119

Dude in the comic is completely right. Quantum theory is just a placeholder system. It's largely incomplete and can't be reconciled with General Relativity.

>>8312123
>extremely inefficient companies don't bribe governments to grant them subsidies
>researchers don't have any agenda, they are perfect neutral human beings, not like their whole career and their mentor's career would fall apart if global warming is bullshit, not to mention cuts to research funding

>>8312136
If scientists wanted money, they would take the bribes from the oil companies

But 99% don't, so there's clearly a lot of integrity among scientists

>>8312124

>what a bunch of respected 'authorities' believe is as good as truth

By that logic god must be real too

>>8312136
>muh environmentalist/government conspiracy!!!
>muh bribery
FoxNews is that way young faggot ------>

>>8312114
You think you have a problem with refugees now? Just wait until that arable land starts shifting...

>>8312141
How so? the smartest people such as Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss, and Sam Harris are atheist

>>8312136
You're right I forgot about that, better trust Fox News.

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Same thing happened to me with evolution. They gave no time to creationism, which is heinous where I come from.

>>8312046
That's because there is extensive evidence that has been extremely scrutinized and tested (because idiots like you refuse to believe climatology and geophysics reports) that indicate humans have caused and exacerbated climate change to an unnatural level. Humoring the pandering simpletons who want to deny science to feel good about their gluttonous and wasteful behavior or their religious ideologies is counterproductive to educating people who want to know the science behind current knowledge and it implications. It's a massive waste of time to explain to someone who wont listen that the science has been tested and observed to be consistent with current models and theories.

>>8312114
>Anon hopes for the death of hundreds of millions

You are a great and noble man.

>>8312127
they stopped calling it global warming because nobody notices average temperatures and regular people don't think a 1 degree change is a big deal. If I changed your body's lead concentration by the same percentage that the temperature is changing, you'd die pretty quickly. 1 or 2 degrees difference can cause huge changes in the chemistry of the oceans and that effects all life on earth.

But you're a shill, so why am I responding?

>>8312128

>minor epistemological discrepancies
>on the basis of which governments in many countries are spending billions upon billions in taxpayer dollars on something that might not a) be a problem or b) have a viable solution

Yeah I think it's worth being skeptical

>>8312147
Mate, Dawkins and Harris are not that smart. I was with you until then.

>>8312143
>hurr durr FoxNews

are you going to deny governments around the world grant subsidies to "renewable energy" crap? They would be broke without it, and it's not like politicians are good-willed people.

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>>8312154
>1 degree changes
Boohoo a few microorganisms die in the water. Big deal. Plankton genocide. So what?

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>>8312147

Top jej

>>8312114
>he thinks he'll be nice and safe and comfy while the remaining 80% of the world lays down and peacefully starves
holy fuck where do these idiots come from?

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>>8312165
All eight are atheists.

>>8312153

Pretty sure they're going to die anyway m8, it's called mortality. Why feed a hungry kid today so he can be hungry again tomorrow? Seems a tad cruel if you ask me

>>8312158
To be sceptical in any field you have to know that field.

If you deny man-made global warming, you are probably brain-dead

>>8312167

What are automatic weapons and guided missiles?

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>>8312060
As an astrophysicist I have to ask;
What the fuck are you talking about? That 'approximation' hold true for all non-relativistic inertial frames which is significantly more quantifiable and correct at describing reality than the largely observable and non-formulaic* fields of meteorology and geophysics. Math trumps observation when it comes to predictive models every time when the models describe reality so accurately that deviations literally can't be seen without approaching the most extreme physical parameters.

*geophysics while having many models and formulas are intrinsically less accurate due to chaotic properties and the large number of variables that can't be easily obtained or at all and often have non-analytical models which are by definition less accurate than analytical models.

>>8312171
>genuine stupidity

>>8312171
Pretty sure you're going to die anyway m8, it's called mortality. Why feed a hungry kid today so you can be hungry again tomorrow? Seems a tad cruel if you ask me

>>8312181
Autistic as fuck.

Huh, it's kind of funny that you bring this up because I had the same talk with my students yesterday.

I told them I couldn't blame them because they probably grew up being told by their parents or former teachers or whatever that there was still a real debate and 10 years ago or so when those adults formed their view of the subject that was more defensible, but if they honestly doubt it they're free to google and come talk to me after class.

I don't feel bad about saying that. I've said similar things about magic crystals and creationism.

>>8312150
so you're the asshole that keeps posting these creationist comics? How big is your collection?

>>8312181
"As someone who doesn't work in geophysics let me tell you about geophysics."

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>>8312171
>Pretty sure they're going to die anyway m8, it's called mortality

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>>8312192
Have quite a few, ranging from goofy in their representation of both parties to downright distasteful strawmen.

>>8312188

>bunch of starving brown people are going to successfully invade one of the great salt water powers

>>8312193
Still geophysics is chaotic in nature and thus he is right

>>8312191

Do you teach 6th graders or something? Because you seem to be around that intellectual level

>>8312167
/pol/
You should know better

>>8312046
So talk to me for a second here. Why do you feel the need to bring /pol/ to /sci/? Is this your kind of social justice activism? To try and convert anyone ignorant enough on /sci/ to your noble red pilled cause?
>>>/pol/87242488
This is your thread, word for word. This is technically a raid on /sci/ and I don't know why the mods haven't deleted your thread yet.

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>>8312206
Boy have I got news for you.

>>8312074
These are not citations nor do they show that climate change has more evidence than newtonian mechanics. Newtonian mechanics describe the affect of motion and acceleration on inertial frames of reference without relativistic affects.
Quantum mechanics focuses on the wave-particle nature of matter and light which is almost only pertinent on the atomic level where Newtonian mechanics make no claim of describing.
Relativity only comes into play when matter approaches the speed of light, while Newtonian formulas can't account for the slight formulaic change that accounts for the velocity relative to 'c', it doesn't need to because the difference between values of the same situation at non-relativistic speed with both Newtonian and relativistic equations would differ by ~10^-15 to 10^-16. These are scarcely even measurable uncertainties.

Fucking hell, of course man-made climate change is real but that doesn't give you dumbfucks to use hyperbole to inflate or deflate the predictability and accuracy of fields of math and science to yell at some dumbass saying 'climate change, the big bang and evolution are fake'. You just show that you're as dogmatic with your position without looking at the actual evidence of whatever topic you're talking about. A theory doesn't need to have more evidence than every other theory to be correct you insecure assclown.

>>8312073
fuck off, it's a branch of geophysics and atmospheric physics which is as rigorous as astrophysics and electrical engineering.

>>8312092
found the redneck bible-bumper

>>8312237

>admitting to going on /pol/

Enjoy your ban Hitler

>>8312046
> Medical Humanities in the Digital Age
> We will not, at any time, debate the science of climate change
well duh. The class has nothing to do with climate change

also
> Humanities
>>>/his/ or >>>/pol/

>>8312258
This reeked of a /pol/ thread so I figure I'd do the OP a favor. Instead of simply saying >>>/pol/ I could do the legwork and go find the climate change denial thread for him to talk with his peers. I went to /pol/ to find the thread and lo and behold it's the exact same one, little suspicious no?

>>8312135
It doesn't need to be compatible with relativity so long as it describes the subset of reality it attempts to. For example you're not going to use statistical mechanics to entropically derive how far a block will slide down a ramp.

Also the entire math crap in the comic is entirely wrong. while it is a philosophical question whether math is man-made or discovered it's not philosophical to say that all of the tools in every form of math are built from axioms which must be assumed (like that 1 =/= 0). Differing axioms still work and everything still holds true but in a trivial sense (assume 1=0, by axioms of addition 1+1 = a where we assign '2' to be the number for a still works. the integers can still be made, multiplication still works, etc.

(I have degrees in Math and Astrophysics btw)

>>8312278
>(I have degrees in Math and Astrophysics btw)

And I have a PhD in fucking your mother.

Quantum mechanics will never suffice to explain anything above the atomic level, which happens to be where the bulk of scientific phenomena occur.

>>8312163
Well ignoring the fact that rising sea level will in fact fuck humans as well, it more a matter of the effects this temperature increase are having with the climate. For example changing the convection patterns between the ocean and air that have caused larger hurricanes, changes in meteorological behavior in places like decreased or increased rainfall which cause ecological imbalances. Whatever though, it's not like anything can happen to you in your protective bubble right.

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>>8312193
Hey dumbfuck, I explained the differences between the fields of science. And as an astrophysicist I did study geophysics, as well as quantum, atmospheric, relativity, E&M, statistical mechanics, thermal physics fluids etc. and I have a math degree, so yes I know about the mathematical methods of both Newtonian mechanics and atmospheric modelling, having specialized in mathematical modelling for astrophysics, and one is analytical while the other is numerical. Not once did I claim man-made climate change is fake nor did I belittle the fields of geophysics you dense motherfucker. Believe or not but different fields of science collect data and formulate theories differently, and math formulas that have been tested for centuries and shown to work have a higher accuracy than modern day climate modelling which relies on simplified formulas for computational models.

>>8312046
Imagine a biology class in which debate about evolution was allowed. No, we will not "teach the controversy", dumbass.

>>8312294
>inb4 flash memory
Again it doesn't need to explain why the planets orbit, it explains things on the quantum level and that works.
>never suffice to explain anything above the atomic level
Also just to fuck with your point, relativity and quantum are used in conjunction for describing neutron stars and black holes for an example where quantum is used to describe the quantum behavior on the relativistic scale. but again, quantum works for where it works.

>>8312110
>implying anything that can't be disproven is equally valid because "muh empirical truth"

>>8312141
>Scientific consensus is about "authority" and not science
OK.

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>>8312252
>electrical engineering

>""""""""""""""""""""""""""rigorous""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""'

cute

>>8312046
>no debate science
since when is debate a part of fucking science class?

i get scientific debate exists, but you shouldn't expect it going to a science class any more than you would expect to go debate trigonometry in a math class.

>>8312376
I think the better question is, what exactly is rigorous about it?

>>8312050
Yes? And they are not laws, they are axioms.

>>8312233
What did I say to make you think that?

>>8312385
Do you even know what E&M is? fuck it let me see you expand the expressions for the electric field of an n-pole or even just a dipole. Shit is terrible to do and takes forever to derive. also I'll leave this here for the running gag since Jackson E&M is anal fisting levels of mental strain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm-4PltMB2A

>>8312448
>it's hard, therefore it's rigorous

Might want to take a look at a dictionary sometime, buddy.

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>>8312073
>I watch the news

>>8312385
hmmm...everything?

>>8312464
>the quality or state of being very exact, careful, or strict

Sounds like Jackon's EM for graduate studies in torture.

>>8312448
Pay no heed to the math undergraduates, they tend to be ones that fail physics and engineering courses and shoot that it's not rigorous because of their own failures to understand.

>>8312187
Not an argument.

Tgey're probably fed up of having their time wasted by people raking up the same old debunked 'evidence' against climate change over and over again. There are better debates to be had.

They should do the same for creationism but can you imagine the shitstorm that would ensue? Instead people get time wasted with people seeking to 'debate' evolution with 'it's only a theory' and the same old nonsense trotted out by ignorant creationists. Some people don't want to genuinely debate or learn things. They have their worldview and will justify it with whatever crap they read online and insist they have an equal right to a debating platform with people who make it their life's work.

>>8312162
Are you going to deny that governments around the world grant subsidies to oil and gas companies? Far, far more money in total than in the entire renewable energy field?

>>8312046
ITT:
People who believe in the scientific method and accept the scientific consensus vs people who aren't scientists debating the work of scientists without understanding it

>>8312046
>>>/pol/

fuck off retard, look at the fucking facts.

>>8312046
>Even STEM isn't safe from the liberal menace anymore.

I had a CS professor whose syllabus is 60% about how she earned a Hate Free Zone cert and how her daughter is the muscle of her friend circles and protect everyone when they go out at night.

>>8312046
You are retarded. There's nothing to debate. Fuck off back to /pol/

>>8312133
Underrated post.

>>8312537
>>8312630

>It's a "there's no moral hazard to shutting down debate if it's the side I disagree with that's being shut down ;)" episode.

>>8312168
Ornithology only isn't useful to birds due to their lack of mental aptitude, so...

>>8312123
consider climate change activist got billion of funding vs climate change skeptic who got just millions your picture is trash.

>>8312313
You seem to think geophysics concerns itself with atmospheric phenomenon. Or, if not, you somehow think it deals with highly chaotic systems.

It doesn't. There's nothing more to say about that really, it's just now what geophysics is about. Geophysics has a lot of real world problems that comes with being a practical, nitty-gritty science but they're not from highly sensitive, chaotic systems.

You definitely haven't taken a class in geophysics. I thought that was likely given your first post- why on earth would you have taken a geophysics course (not particularly interesting, not particularly useful) unless you went to a shitty university where that was your best offering? I didn't say anything though because those kind of slap fights are annoying online, your new post pretty much confirms it though.

>>8313178
I think that's a good way to think of the quote. Philosophy of Science does some interesting work that's relevant to some people, it's just a delusion that it actually influences how science operates. That's pretty true these days, though it wasn't up until like 1950 or so where you still have heavily philosophy-of-science-driven divides in physics.

There have been big shifts in the way scientists see themselves in part due to Phil Of Science, but it's a subtle thing.

>>8312089
> not knowing what learning is: the post

>>8312110
100% this. Believing otherwise is just lazy.

>discourage debate and discourse
you will only make the problem worse
the more people you shut out like that the more people will become skeptical and search 'climate change hoax' on youtube

>waah i hate being open to new ideas
dig your own grave then family

>>8312046
Regardless of the truth of climate change - anywhere that shuns critical thinking and threatens you to close your mind is not an environment conduscive to learning. If I were you, I would leave the course, but not before rallying up my peers to do the same and make a stand against such behavior.

I'm not one that is keen on an appeal to authority as basis for argument. But it's funny how most people are happy to get on an aeroplane and trust their lives entirely in sciences of physics and aerospace engineering, because those guys must know what they're taling about.

But ask people to be more conscious about their energy use, suddenly everyone's an expert on global warming and want their opinion given full hearing, despite knowing fuck all science beyond high school and some YouTube videos.

It's like the way almost everyone trusts medical science to be sure enough of its biological facts that we let doctors cut us open and operate on our hearts or fucking brain...

But tell people the truth about the fossil record and age of the Earth? And suddenly you get masses of imbeciles whose scientific knowledge stops at Sunday school, demanding that their opinions hold equal weight and should be in text books.

Overwhelmingly the opposition to global warming science is political or comes from the uneducated and corporate shills. It's not evidence based leading to good scientific debate.

>>8313794
Isn't part of the reason for global warming not just our own CO2 emissions, but also remnants of it being released when some ice(not pure H2O ofc) is thawed?

>>8313772
But it shuns time wasting, not critical thinking.

The people doing this course are not qualified to think critically about climate change.

>>8313813
That's more reason to try not to add to it, as greater warning melts more ice releasing more CO2 which makes the problem run away with itself.

Global warming is an effect we need on Earth, to a certain extent. Without it our world would end up cold like Mars. Our planet will survive well beyond current climate change, but humanity, or large part of it will struggle. Global warming isn't the end of the world, it's the end of us.

Either way, we should be cutting back on burning fossil fuels and finding alternatives because it's a finite resource. Currently we use processes like cracking to break the larger plastic fractions and thick oils of crude oil down into light fuels. This seems like madness to me, because there are alternatives to fossil fuels like nuclear, but when our plastics run out the sheer amount of plastics and chemicals we won't be able to make easily will be a huge inconvenience.

>>8312072
Imagine being physics professor and suddenly out of nowhere this faggot tries to argue with you that the Earth is a sphere.

>>8313877
>still thinks the earth is a sphere
it's an oblate spheroid

>>8313823
Time wasting, I can understand.

>>8313923
Calling it a sphere is just a simplification m8.
But couple hundreds years ago Earth being flat was as an scientific consensus as anthropogenic global warming is today.
If it's a fact the you don't have to forbid discussing it

There is nothing wrong with this. There are proper channels to debate climate change. This is obviously not a proper situation and would be disruptive to the class which according to the description is based off the understanding that man made climate change is valid and happening.

Eat shit OP.

>>8314458
But if it's mandatory class? Wouldn't you mind if you were forced to take creationist classes and were forbidden to negate it and advocate for evolution?

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>>8314452
>But couple hundreds years ago Earth being flat was as an scientific consensus as anthropogenic global warming is today.

But the Flat Earth was never a scientific consesus

>>8312103
>https://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm
They just state that there's global warming. They never state it is man-made. They just say "multiple lines of evidence indicate that human influences have had an increasingly dominant effect on global climate warming observed since the mid-twentieth century" which means nothing. Climatologies cannot model yesterday's weather with today info accurately. Did you know that?

>Excuse me, professor? 1/3 of all the CO2 man has released since 1750 has been emitted since 1997. If CO2 is a relatively fast acting, primary climate forcing, why do satellites show no warming during that time? And why did no climate models predict this?
>drop my course, fag

How is this science again?

>in a chemistry course, ~10 people
>prof is bored and asks if anybody wants to see something cool
>makes us all go into this secluded wooded area behind the science dept.
>fills up a big ass bucket with DI water
>takes spoon, puts a granule of cesium on it
>flicks the cesium into the water
>obviously fuckhuge explosion of water
>we all just stand there, unsure of what to do
>"It was just boring back there, also global warming is false but I don't want to get into it today"
>events never brought up again

true story

>>8314676
>The chemistry teacher who is too lazy to do his job is clearly the person I should listen to about planetary science.

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http://www.ipcc.ch/
You could just take a look into it and see that it is a highly complex topic with a lot of aspects. Everything is explained and discussed. The results are that current research suggests that humans play a big role in the current global warming.

One of the issues is that most (man-made) climate change deniers usually just pick out 1 point, that is in favour for them, or claim is false and that is all they argue about.

>>8314579
Well, flat-earth might have been the cultural consensus of many cultures, but only more than 2,000 years ago. Classical Greeks knew the Earth was round, and had an estimate of its size accurate to about 10%.

>>8312054
debating astrology is a thing you should be doing, it has no place in science

>>8313178
That's the fucking point you dolt

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>>8312046
>implying you can debate with someone whose mind has been taken over by ideology

>educational institution providing proper education

What's the problem?

>>8317056
Environmentalists' shill ain't proper education

>>8317060

Environmentalism is here to stay and will play increasingly more important role in society as our understanding grows.

>>8312046
>Medical Humanities in the Digital Age
Does that sound like a course on climate science to you?
/pol/ BTFO once again
when will they learn?

>>8314534
>if you were forced to take creationist classes
It's a silly scenario. But then I suppose I would take it anyway.
What if I told you you can sit and listen to someone who you disagree with without being triggered?

>>8312050
According to general relativity, they are wrong anyeay. Get fucked peasant.

>>8312243
>It is not an approximation
>It only differs by ...
Kiss

>>8312054
>astrology