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What should be the national anthem of Mars?

>>8271602
"robots are gonna kill us all"

~Elon Musk, current year.

>>8271609
Bowie.

>>8271609
New World Symphony - Largo

>>8271609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnrjygAG18o

>>8271609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0bcRCCg01I

>>8271602
Antarctica is a far more hospitable and forgiving place for humans to live than Mars, and the Mojave desert is far more hospitable than Antarctica. Why the hell would anyone want to live on Mars when we still have room to settle in the Mojave, or Antarctica, or any other of hundreds of regions on earth that nobody wants to live in yet are still a more pleasant place than Mars?

>>8271636
Antarctica would still be affected by a planet-wide extinction event.

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>>8271602
There's enough autists in engineering and geology who'd sell their kidneys to go, and SpaceX has done well on the hardware so far. 2035 is probably an optimistic date though.

>>8271633
>tfw Pluto was demoted just to make Holst accurate again

>>8271609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xxKsjU5Q3A

>>8271640
Yes, that is very true, and from a humanity-strategic point of view there is great value in space colonization. But why would any ordinary settlers be interested? You need a large amount of those to enable your "self-sustaining human colony".

>>8271647
Infinite Growth Meme Economics demands we expand into space.

>>8271647
The same reason so many Europeans colonised the Americas.

We're a species of excess, of taking risks and moving forward. If NASA put the word out tonight, I'll bet you'd have a line of Mars volunteers from California to New York.

>>8271663
Can we just send the Californians and New Yorkers?

The country would be so much nicer with out their raging liberals.

>>8271663
But then why aren't there self-sustaining colonies on Antarctica? What makes Mars different? Sure, there will be initial hype appeal, but that will be over pretty quickly once word arrives about the conditions there.

>>8271671
Too much damn ice.

>>8271667

I'm on board with this, we could start over and leave all you backwards neoliberal brainwashed hicks behind.

>>8271678
Yet Mars is worse in pretty much every possible way; at least there's air on the poles. Anyone who is stopped by the ice of Antarctica will also be stopped by the conditions on Mars.

>>8271679
We don't need a bunch of Regressive "progressives" trying to legislate a disarmed socialist society of 50 genders and no hurt feelings allowed.

>>8271641
musk is known for setting optimistic dates
he literally said that if he didn't set earlier schedules, he feel like people wouldn't work as hard

>>8271687
at least Mars has exposed rock for solid foundations.

Ice moves, the US military found out about this in the 50s. When they tried to carve out bases in the Greenland ice sheet.

current Antarctica science stations are essentially giant mobile homes on skies. They have to be jacked up and dragged constantly.

>>8271671
It's not just hype, it really means something that Antarctica has already been explored. There's virtually no part of the Earth's surface inaccessible to humans now, any research or travelling you want to do is just a question of money.

Humans are egoists, enough is never enough. We want to be the first to do everything, discover new things and live as if we're at the beginning of something meaningful.

Antarctica has been solved, the Moon is a rock. Mars is a planet.

>>8271704
Deep Sea and most of the ocean floor is not explored or exploited.

>>8271708

I didn't realise the ocean floor counted as the Earth's surface, but it's still wrong to say we can't go there or it's not being exploited. I'm talking about new places suitable for permanent habitation.

>>8271647
>Yes, that is very true, and from a humanity-strategic point of view there is great value in space colonization.
If you think humanity is a good thing. The honest truth is it's a shitshow.

Enough people are fascinated by space colonization that they would personally line up if they were allowed to, and enough people will call for other people's money to be spent on it that we'll have some symbolic government spending.

But the thing is, this shit is far more expensive than the fanboys realize. And no sane investor would see it as a lucrative business model.

If economic growth continues indefinitely, it will eventually be pocket change. But there's an equal chance that civilization is not sustainable enough for the long run to support that. In that case, it crashes before it spreads. I hope that's true because I think it's a fucking trainwreck, and it would be immoral to scale it up to astronomical scales.