Is it true that >top student spends 2 hours studying, learns

>>8103333
No. Just fucking take notes and read your textbook dammit

yes

they're just more efficient and accomplish things in bursts rather than continuously.

>>8103333
Yes and no, depends on the person. I know a few bio majors who are like what you described. However a friend of mine has been top of the class and he studies like a champ. 5-7 hour sessions of reviewing notes, re-watching lectures, and re-reading textbook chapters over and over.

If you aren't naturally gifted then you get out what you put in. If you do shit all study expect shit grades.

>>8103333
There reaches a point where every procrastinator must either crack or adapt to continue their career.

>>8103415
True this.

HS is easy af and you get top grades without even trying. At uni I sometimes have to start reading for a test the day before instead of an hour before it.

>>8103433
I hit the wall in 4th year uni biology doing an honours project.
Nearly totally bombed it, only salvaged it with slaving myself to a computer in the last week.

Haven't made the same mistake since.

>>8103436
bombed what was supposed to be the last exam of my life (second masters)

still haven't changed, but I can feel the pressure.

>>8103398
>if you aren't naturally gifted then you get out what you put in

This seems reasonable enough
I'm not even mad

>>8103440
Could I get through medical school as a man of average intelligence but a great work ethic?

>>8103445
Seriously depends on the institution. But I've known a few people who did it. But you'd have to work your ass off, and review any subject you feel you don't get completely. Maybe a few times.

>>8103449
What do you mean by depends on the institution?

I am in no position to pay for a prestigious institution - are you implying that this will decrease my chances of being able to finish med school?

Thanks

>>8103433
>>8103445
>>8103449
Are you guys autistic, or is this some inside joke i'm not in on ?

>>8103445
yes, most doctors(well students) are of pretty average intelligence for university students. It's more of an endurance test. You'll be a student for about 12 years, possibly more. and you'll have to specialize to make the salary worth it which adds even more. Hope you actually like helping people. if you just want cash might as well be a petrol engineer and enjoy it while it lasts.

>>8103455
Nah man i meant more so that different institutions have different curriculum and may be easier/harder than other places. I don't know if price is a deciding factor but if you're serious about it do your research. Whatever you do, don't sacrifice quality of education.

>>8103459
>>8103449
How is that autistic? The place you study can make a difference. Some might have an easier course/more lax professors. would certainly make it easier to pass if you were of average intelligence.

>>8103462
Thanks - I will look into that

>>8103461
My concern is that I am not a pure-bred asian genius born to study medicine.

I am a normal 22 y/o white guy from a middle class family.

It's like an inferiority complex - medicine is for them, not for me. Surely I couldn't do it.

Anyway cheers

>>8103465
You are acting like you have to be a genius to get a degree.
You are there to study and learn, if you do everything they ask you to do, you get your degree.

>>8103459
pretty sure they're serious. almost all people in my program where the type that never had to study for tests and still made 100s in highschool. It's a bit soul crushing really, going from watching everyone in highschool struggle while you don't, even the supposedly smart ones, and knowing you're smarter than pretty much everyone you meet to being locked in a room full of people just as smart where the highschool thing is only a minimum requirement to get in. And you still know most of you won't do anything important.
I should just off myself.

>>8103468
I wasn't implying you had to be a genius. Obviously it's possible everywhere but for those who aren't confident in themselves or their abilities, it's important to take these things into consideration. if you do a good job then go wherever for post grad

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Question:

How does the resistance feel when you know you need to study but don't feel like it. How do you feel when you study? What do you feel when you get the desire to stop studying?

For me:

When I don't feel like it, even if I force myself, my thoughts float away to something I am more interested in. When I study and need to think hard about something I get a strong pressure in my head. Also I feel restless and an impulse through all my limbs which is distracting. When the pressure in my head and the impulses get too distracting I reach a point where I just can't keep my focus anymore and I stop.

Anyone else feel like this? I really am not sure if I am just weak or if I have some actual problems.

>>8103333
yes
the top student being someone who spent 6 hours studying and retained 10% but did that a kajillion of times and improved.

git gud senpai

literally the worst student is the one that feels sorry for himself and makes excuses because some child prodigy deduced mechanics and thermodynamics from listening to shit in the womb and was awarded a nobel on birth .

>>8103469
What? I have never in my life met anyone who easily got 100% on tests in high school. I dont Know if this is an American thing (im from norway), but it sounds insane to me.

>>8103472
I'm lucky enough to be studying what I love so I don't have that issue anymore. All through school I had that problem and it was only by forcing myself to study that I was able to pass with the grades I did. And I only did that because I knew it was a means to an end, and the only way I could start to learn about what I love. So basically I only got through it because I was thinking of not screwing future me over too much.

What is it you're studying senpai? What is it you'd rather be doing?

>>8103467
>My concern is that I am not a pure-bred asian genius born to study medicine.
well of course you'll never be as good a doctor as those pakis anon, you can still be a doctor though. General practice isn't so bad, you can comfort yourself by thinking your life is just like scrubs.

>>8103475
>What is it you're studying senpai? What is it you'd rather be doing?

I am studying EE but it just bores the shit out of me. I don't have any goal I am working towards so my motivation is very low. Don't have much hope to get a job after graduating and neither that much of a desire to be honest. I just had to go to college because I felt like I would regret ending up without a degree.

Anything I am interested in I can't make money with.

>>8103478
But what would you rather be studying? What are you interested in. There's no point in studying something you don't like to get a job you hate. There's always a way to make money with something you love. Like sex.

Especially sex.

Seriously though What are your passions.

>>8103479
I don't have any passions. I can't focus on one thing because there are so many interested things in life. But then life is too short to be able to deeply study them all. So I end up reading rather superficial information. I know that I need focus to study something and also go through the boring and tedious parts. But I just lack the focus.

>>8103474
>I have never in my life met anyone who easily got 100% on tests in high school
most things in highschool are pretty easy things conceptually. If you pay attention in class every now and then it's not hard at all to understand the material without having to spend any time outside of class studying. The rest of the test will just be rote knowledge and it's pretty easy to figure out what you'll have to memorize. Even in university, most GEP courses are still like this.

So the general consensus is that anybody can pass medicine but you might have to put in more work than others if you're not a genius.

>>8103474
I was in a (hard) french school and we were a handful who could get perfect scores without effort.
also this
>>8103489

>>8103490
I couldn't, I hate memorizing anything, it's just counterintuitive to me.
If you're good at memorizing and you enjoy it, go ahead.

>>8103493
>>8103489
I dont fucking belive this shit.
In the last 10 years of my country, only 11 people have gotten the best grade (6) in all the subjects on their high school diploma

>>8103486
Honestly, if you feel you have the capacity I suggest a double degree, keeps things interesting, it's what I'm doing. As for the focus part that's harder because you don't even know what motivates you. Do you feel you have a lot of external distractions whilst studying or do you feel it's all in your head?

>>8103333
Sure why wouldn't people like that exist but they will be a tiny minority, maybe a few kids in the entire world at any age group.

I have met people smarter than myself, but personally never went to any of my university course lectures and only skim read the slides an hour in the morning before each exam. That was enough for me deduce things i didn't remember from reading and graduate with a pleb 55-70% passing grade in all subjects.

degree: Machine Learning

side note: I find Deep Learning very interesting anyway and do it a lot in my spare time, so even though that only entails Neural Nets im sure that extracurricular shit helped me in those exams at times when it comes to intuitive understanding.

>>8103333
Ehh sorta. It's not that dramatic, but the difference between a top student and a normal student does have some component of brainpower (better memory, faster at simple math, ect). But it's more like the top student only need 3-4 hours to do the work of 5-6 of a normal student

>>8103502
Nah I can go to the library and be faced with the same problems.

>>8103479
>There's no point in studying something you don't like to get a job you hate.
When will meme this die...


The trick is the other way around:
Find something to do that makes you money, learn how to love it. You can't find a percent of people who actually do AND love what they thought they would. Most people just make do, bright people learn to love to make do.

I'm not saying don't do med school or apply to NASA, people. If you want to, make a plan, cross off as you complete part goals.

But please, for your own sake, dont delude your special snowflake ass into thinking that "passion", some unquantifiable denominator of how autistic you get when you don't get what you want, will somehow get you where you wanna go.

>TL;DR: Unless your passion is doing something within reach, reach for something else.

>>8103333
I haven't read studies on it, I have no idea. But I know that 2 hrs of study was more than enough for me to get a course overview, and that in addition to understanding how to read an official learning plan, made me much more selective with what I cared to study, in HS.

Of course, when it came to math and math based classes, I bombed like aluminium and draino.

>>8103496
>In the last 10 years of my country, only 11 people have gotten the best grade (6) in all the subjects on their high school diploma
we're not saying all subjects, that's retarded

only interesting subjects (math & sciences and a few others)

>>8103496
Hungary?

>>8103529
Norway

>>8103530
To get a "6" on a test, you need a considerably higher achievement than to get a "100". It's just a different basic school system, and the Norwegian system values reflection and personal research higher than rote memorization.

>source: I once spent a week with the "highest qualified students in europe", my school was qualified because we had already won a national competition of skill. Their schools were largely there because private teaching environments are somewhat better, therefore they had the upper hand in their own country's competition.
>they were clever enough kids, but truly didn't understand the world, despite being there for their excellent civic knowledge.


So a test score abroad is generally indicative of exactly one thing: how good you are at taking tests.

>>8103523
>learn how to love it

Any tips on how to do that?

I read somewhere that you develop a passion as you get good at something? Maybe make challenges in your job?

>>8103535
Okay quick before the /sci/entists deem this unworthy for their brain vats:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRVdiHu1VCc
http://mikerowe.com/podcast/

Okay so you know this guy, he's the dude who swims in septic tanks and was covered head to toe in goo every week on television. He's a spin doctor for sure, in that he's not actually a trained tradesman in all the professions he pursues.

But he has a fair few points. I'd recommend at least checking out the talk, and please don't be discouraged that he appears in "libertarian" podcasts, he shows up and fucks over Bill O'Reilly too.

My tip would be: find something to do which nobody wants to do, and do it.

After a while, you'll get used to it. At that point you can start loving it.

Now I'd say this is easier with tradesman jobs, as you Always Be Creating in those. Working as a warehouse monkey has been draining my soul every time I did it, so Id recommend skipping a step and going for an actual in-demand profession.

Welding is fucking fun. If you're smart and go the way of an electrician, you can easily switch out for automator or e.eng. at a later point. Plumbers can work with any kind of pipe, be it gas or oil or water. Work as a plumber to make a living, save up money and go to college to become some kind of pipe specialist, and you'll have gone from untrained with an OK GPA, considering some useless PhD that even if you get a job will land you 300k in debt

To actually being able to support yourself, your family and your community, by providing a service that is literally always in demand.

>>8103333
Yes, because that top student is probably more efficient in his/her work. Probably has a proper routine, a good learning method, all that shit.

>>8103540
Also, there's a huge stigma here around working manually, as if sitting in an office all day solving physical problems is fundamentally different from sitting in an office all day calculating spreadsheets. It's the same fucking deal.

One thing is for sure, it's not likely that it will bring you the highest QALY score, even with all risk calculated.

>>8103333
yeah, i do it, i've known others to do it, it all comes down to how well your study techniques are refined

>>8103474
It's true in Finland at least

So if it is true, how do I study like a top student?

>>8103624
go to class, read the material several times, go to sleep, miss the test, drop out.

>>8103473
This is true, but realistically speaking if you wasted your teens you probably won't catch up to your peers.