what was the biggest scientific mistake that stopped/drew science

>>8088198
Probably the aether. At the time it was pretty reasonable, but still wrong.

>>8088201
Well I mean dark matter is pretty similar isn't it?

set theory

>>8088205
Nope.

>>8088198
Ramanujan.

>>8088198
>drew science progress backwards for centuries ?
Centuries sounds unlikely.
Maybe the geocentric solar system?
Determinism?

>>8088198
Probably someone like Freud. He didn't set the field back centuries because that's very hard to do (science is self-correcting) but maybe a couple of decades.

>>8088248
>literally starts psycho-analysis which is still used today
>set the field back

>>8088255
>which is still used today
by self-proclaimed psychologist retards, sure
not by any serious scientist

>>8088221
Math is science you mong

>>8088290
you're a fucking moron.
Psycho-analysis is the best way to explain emotions.
Neural nets and combinations of neurotransmitters have nothing to say about the actual experience of having an emotion, or understanding where it came from with respect to your subjective experience.

>>8088248
>Freud.
>>8088255
>psycho-analysis which is still used today

Freud did wonders for psychiatry by legitimizing it in the public's eye.
But he also created a model for the human psyche that might as well be a stone-age religion.

probably round earth and evolution are the worst offenders

we are still feeling the repercussions of this today (peer review)

>>8088290
he's just like Newton, his theories are partially correct, if you look past the fact that they knew jack-shit about their subjects in their time, as we still do today, *they* had a good 'start'

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The King of Reason
Lord of the Mistakes

ARISTOTLE

>geocentric cosmology
>a heavier object falls faster than a lighter object
>Five elements earth water air fire and Aether
>human males have more teeth than females
>flies have 4 legs

he was uncriticizable until the 16th century with Galileo and Francis Bacon

>>8088352
>le Aristotle set science back! maymay

Go back to being dead, Russell.

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>>8088214
Burger pls go

Piltdown Man

>>8088242
>determenism
I meant randomness*

>>8088547
>>determenism
>I meant randomness*
No, I mean determinism.
That shit's been thoroughly debunked, nearly a century ago, yet /sci/entists cling to this nihilistic philosophy.
see : >>8088527

Numbers

>>8088336
>he's just like Newton,
Except that Freud didn't use the scientific method in any sense.
No Experiments, no control groups, just self-reinforcement of whatever views he held.
He made his data fit his model, not the other way around.

>>8088568
>Numbers
OOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhh, I hate those fuckers SO MUCH!!

Plus, my marriage is a joke.

>>8088554
>using the word "debunked"
>expecting to be taken seriously

>>>/x/
>>>/his/
>>>/lit
>>>/x/

Darwinism

>>8088205
which popsci book did you read?
"how to annoy everyone with dank scienzia memes" 2008 by neil mike tyson?

>>8088201
It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo.

>>8088606
*free will*y and predetermined outcomes are compatible

>>8088554
Determinism is just a vestige of the time when the Church was involved in almost every aspect of science. When quantum uncertainty came around it became impossible to hold as a theory, but it's still a comforting idea to a lot of people so it sticks around.

>>8088198
The assumption (belief) that reality is objective, even though evidence points to the contrary.

It's why we will never come up with a "theory of everything".

>>8088198
-Paper publishing cartels
-Lobbiests
-Lack of additional studies, by peers to substantiate or refute already completed studies.

Pick 3.

>>8088248
>Probably someone like Freud

Before Freud:

>It's probably demonic possession!

After Freud:

>Maybe it's a natural reaction to trauma from your past?

Freud was wrong about a lot of things.

But: Congratulations, that's true of everybody who has ever had on opinion in any field, the default human state is "wrong." For psychology, Freud is like the guy who took geology from Flat Earth to Sphere Earth: Still wrong, but far less so.

>>8091271
>Freud is like the guy who took geology from Flat Earth to Sphere Earth: Still wrong, but far less so.
Lol even I could have put a shovel into the earth and showed that it has an interior volume.

>>8088198
In China they fucked up the calculation of the distance of the sun and calculated that it was only like 200,000kms away. Also they thought the earth was flat until like the 17th century.

>>8091289
The egyptians got it pretty close, didn't they? My high school maths teacher told us that they used shadows of their obelisks to measure the angle of the suns beams throughout the day at several locations far enough away that the curvature of the earth was accounted for, and then used that to calculate the distance of the earth the the sun.

>>8091295
Indeed. The Chinese did a similar thing but divided when they should have multiplied and got the wrong figure.

>>8088242
>believing the universe isn't deterministic
Quantum physics is bullshit to be honest.

>>8091390
>>>/x/

>>8091271
Dude, geology definetively didn't evolved like that. Terrible exemple.

>>8091423
i know i tried to tell him we never thought the earth was hollow, we went straight to ball

>>8088198

Ptolemy fucked astronomy for a thousand years

Basically he made some complex as fuck geocentric models for the motions of planets and stars that worked perfectly for their measurement accuracy

>>8088198
string theory

>>8091390
only memelords use QM as a basis for nondeterminism, and they are the same memelords who argued for nondeterminism before QM for centuries

The correct answer is "Theory of Relativity" because it anticipates only reactions which interact in the perceived aspect. Many "forces" are not evident to "us" because they simply do not interact with that which we perceive, and omitting those severely limits any "real" perspective.

The first hint should be that it's little more than the formula for calculating the length of a hypotenuse of a right triangle. The universe is not "made of triangles".

>>8091423
>Dude, geology definetively didn't evolved like that. Terrible exemple.

What were the intermediate steps between flat and sphere?

>>8088198
post modernism

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>>8088352
Well meme'd.

>>8091478
Geography maybe?

>>8089815
This.

Acceptance of real number analysis as legitimate mathematics

>>8088198
reductionism

>>8091444
trips make it true.

lqg at least offers a /potentially/ verifiable theory of quantum gravity (and JUST quantum gravity), as opposed to meme theory, which is beyond psuedoscience honestly

the fact that it dominates the focus of quantum gravity theorists so much more than a reasonable theory (such as lqg, but not necessarily) is what irks me so much.

>>8088198
The internet

Not really the biggest but the dogma of Darwinian evolution is still holding back microbiology.

>>8088198
Researchers should be paid for finding negative or no results in their data as much for finding positive results.

>>8091447
>Many "forces" are not evident to "us"
Doesn't matter because we experience enough speed dilation difference on satellites.
Or light diffusion.
And lots of small things.
Certainly its not super relevant, but its a thing, and its actually used

I'd argue that ethics are the worst thing that has ever happened

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>>8088198
>what was the biggest scientific mistake that stopped/drew science progress backwards for centuries ?

Video Games.

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>>8095434
>The world would be so much better if I could experiment on humans instead of rats.

>>8095468
yes you obtuse idiot, we could get past inane restrictions, work out kinks in medications, find secrets to age, cure ailments.

>>8088198
Failure of the Ancient Greeks to discover calculus

They were really fucking close

It depends what field you are looking into or if you are talking about science as a whole. I think the whole anti drug war has pushed our knowledge back in that area quite significantly.

>>8095461
Yeah i would have to agree with this

>>8095952
Explain.

>>8088214
Set theory, and, relatedly, other bad/lazy materialism like : the brain is a computer

Bourbaki faggotry, made everyone hate math

>>8089784
That's what always bothered me. No one believes in a aether but we all accept spacetime.

>>8088198

>what was the biggest scientific mistake that stopped/drew science progress backwards for centuries ?

Denying the obvious existence of the aether.

>>8089784

Thank you. This doesn't get mentioned enough. Aether has become taboo but depending on the type of aether model, they have very powerful prediction powers for things like frame-dragging, etc.

>>8096515

Yeah, it's like "Here is empty space. It has a permeability, a permittivity, and waves have a speed limit in it like all other mediums have. But if you call it a substance or anything but empty, I'm going to yell at you! Rarrr!"

I wish more "bad science" was taught in schools. It took Johannes Kepler A FUCKING DECADE pouring over planetary astronomical data and trying to fit it into platonic orbits and shit to realize it didn't work, but ovals did. More than that, he learned it should've been platonic orbits like his teacher did, and presumably that teacher before him. It took at least two generations of professor, student, and a decade of mathematically driven theory research to demonstrate an accurate theory that planets travel in ovals. And normal idiots want to believe science is magically correct, handed down by the science gods because they're not good enough to contribute. Kepler was a fucking Autist, good on him.

>>8095461
Ironically, science is a niche application for computing. If it weren't for Doom, literally there wouldn't there'd be no concept of a "GPU" today. It'd still be ALUs and shit.

>>8096553
GPUs were developed to produce maps for the military

>>8088198
>what was the biggest scientific mistake that stopped/drew science progress backwards for centuries ?
Theory of relativity. That idealistic nonsense was praised by some scientists only for its ideology message (to condradict materialsm i.e marxism)

Not doing the science behind the big bang,if nothing starts from nothing?"something with intent initiated the process,etc"digital physics will answer the question.

>>8088320
Any self respecting person calming to actually understand neurons/neural nets and computational graphs can deduce even emotional behaviours based on those structures. If you can't it just affirms his claim to your lower level intellect...

Newtonian Mechanics

>>8096645
neural nets are a meme and a non-explanation; part of the problem t b q h

>>8096645
>>8096684
I feel dumber just by reading this shit

>>8096757
when are you actually going to provide a counterclaim to neural nets being very close approximations of our thought patterns.

The main issues are loops as current nets only support forward propagation no time dependant looping (RNNs are just a shit meme) and the slacking ability to write a comprehensive training/backpropogation algorithm that accounts for neurogenesis and synaptogenesis. But Neural structures have clear ability in information representation at any level of abstraction.

Sure what we define as emotions are also largely dependant the chemicals that affect our general physical state, but even those are mostly regulated by our brain. The chemicals in our brain are more similar the adjustments to our loss functions (learning methods) than anything else.

Ever persisting human nature.

>>8096645
Yeah emotions is just experience of hormones expression. And 90% of various emotions is exactly the same feeling in different cognitive contexts.

Who hurt you?

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Anytime academic authorities have claims subjective interpretive evidence that supports the status quo is more rational and objective proof.
That's basically it.
The belief that using fallacies and biases are ok.
>In before "fallacy-fallacy" fallacy
>See pic

>>8098015
Sorry, autocorrect.
Anytime academic authorities have claimed that subjective interpretive evidence that supports the status quo is more rational than objective proof.

*sorry

Data is an Iceman.

>>8088205
>dark matter is pretty similar
L0Lno fgt pls

>>8088305
"math" is one word
"science" is a different word
different words have different meanings
"math" is not "science"
try2follow fgt pls

>>8089784
>The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations
... especially among those who properly spell it "aether", fgt pls

>>8089802
>The assumption (belief)
"assumption" is a word different from "belief"
two different words, two different meanings
Lrn2difference fgt pls

>>8091390
>I know QM better than Heisenberg
stfu and gtfo fgt pls

>>8091447
>The universe is not "made of triangles"
Lrn2minkowski fgt pls

>>8098599
maybe he was talking about the hip hop term. As in ether-ing someone. Like bohr when bohr said
>Alber, if god wants to play dice let him
he could have been said to have ether-ed einstein. Einstein and his collaborative EPR paper also got ether-ed by the bell experiments.

>>8098015
>In before "fallacy-fallacy" fallacy
>blames autocorrect
>needs autocorrect bcoz illiterate
fgt pls

>>8098615
>maybe he was not
>maybe he was retard
like you

>>8088333
???

The internet.

I dunno, when the ionians were denounced as heretics to the Aristotelian gospel, and when the dodecahedron was considered such dangerous knowledge it "had to be kept secret for fear of riots"...

>>8088248
>science is self-correcting

No it's not.

>>8088198
>what was the biggest scientific mistake that stopped/drew science progress backwards for centuries ?

Aristotle
Parallel Postulate
Prejudice against zero
Prejudice against negative numbers
Prejudice against infinitesimals / infinitities
Prejudice against imaginary numbers
Prejudice against rigor
Particle Physics
Locality

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>>8088198

The french revolution beheading everyone including many professors/scholars/scientists/mathematicians in their enlightened cult of reason, godless Nazis killing all the good Polish/Jewish mathematicians, atheistic communism forcing bullshit like lysenkoism, and atheist SJWs pushing postmodernism today.

>>8099908
Not to mention the Cultural Revolution of Maoist china for all intents and purposes being triggered by a misunderstood memo, causing droves of students to travel the country to "punish the reactionary professors".

All in all, I think it's safe to say that any kind of cultural movement towards "more better science" has ended horribly, with the possible exception of efforts to instate proper education so more people in turn choose to become scientists.

Honestly, science isn't a political subject, but with the way economy works today it has to be. That causes bad science imho.

>I do suck dicks and I am an illiterate fool. Assume that I have already admitted wrong wherever I may post wrong.

>>8099897
prejudice against infinitesimals in their naive form was maybe not undeserved; you could argue we didn't really understand them until more recently, and there are still many reasons to reject them and describe a continuum through other means

also, what do you mean by locality? locality in topology is a very useful concept.

Phlogiston theory reigned for over a hundred years, despite obvious flaws

>>8095461
Evil Distractions from the Great Works

>>8095483
>implying the secrets of mortality aren't locked away outside and inside of man as to make him reach for it and stretch both himself and the world around him.

>>8088198
developing nth dimensional geometry then ascribing 3d/4d qualities to our universe without realizing we live in the 3.14...th dimension

>>8101803
you do realize that we've developed topology by now, and can discuss space without reference to dimension. dimension in the abstract is just used to describe various ways of breaking things down to classify them from simpler parts.

>>8098596
>Different words have different meanings
Not always. For example: (you) and "faggot"

Archimedes' lost Calculus manuscript

>>8102384
Stay mad, you /b/ memer, you neomillennial 19-year-old underage UCLA meme cuckold.

>all these aether-fags
You know nothing of general relativity or quantum field theory. The existence of a fluid substance which defines an absolute reference frame to the Universe is not the same as the space in which the Universe exists, nor is it the same as the vacuum state of a quantum field.

Your stupidity is showing.

>>8088198
Probably Aristotle.

Don't get me wrong his conclusions made sense for the Greeks but anyone with half a brain today knows that he's wrong.

>>8088198
>Not understanding science
This isn't sci-fi m8. IRL science doesn't work like that...

>>8088290
This guy is right.

psychology.

>>8088198
Socrates(?) disapproved of the concept of zero. Everyone followed Socrates.

He fucked math hard for hundreds and hundreds of years, because he felt it contradicted God and the divine.

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>>8088198
flat earth theory
quantum physics
climate change

>>8103182
>Socrates(?) disapproved of the concept of zero
Citation Needed
I googled it, and nothing turned up.
I think you just made that up because you're the idiot that rejects empiricism but claims they believe in science.

>>8088352
This.

Aristotle kind of fucked progress for a long time.

>>8089784
Einstein's most creative work was the photoelectric effect, not relativity. That was already developed by other scientists. You should read a little more into the history of science :)

The Chernobyl meltdown.

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In absolute seriousness Hippocrates.

He developed a system of medicine based on the 4 humors, Black Bile, Yellow Bile, Phlegm, and Blood. Because he was so revered nobody bothered to check his work FOR 2,000 YEARS.

>>8088198

Wasn't the burning of the Library of Alexandria a huge set back? Or am I thinking of some other library?

This is just some factoid I remember hearing at some point is school.

>>8096504
Functionalism is a form of Cartesianism. How the fuck is it that there are still philosophers and scientists who don't realize consciousness is a biological phenomena? Do we really need to have a debate about whether we can give a functionalist account of Qualia? Obviously the answer is no, not everything that instantiates the right computer program is conscious (everything instantiates some program, by the way), and if you want to argue that subjective experience doesn't exist based upon your theory, then I hope you succeed, because you've just produced a reductio argument against it.