It's predicted that robots will replace human labors in

>>8049426
favelas or working the land in relatively primitive conditions?
idk

>>8049426
Massive welfare state is the only plausible result

>>8049426
They'll all become gamers, long for and fund the development of virtual reality, and eventually I'll just upload everyone so I can stripmine the Earth into my ever-growing neural array.

It's either that or non-immortality. Personally I don't care which way you arrange your future atoms.

I imagine society will fragment into robot-users and people who want to work for themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

Will genocide be an option?

>>8049455
Genocide is always an option.

>>8049460
Its a good option too, as long as we target all those evil cis white males

>>8049455
No. When you're done computing yourself you'll be part of my cold storage archive. Death will not stop me from consuming your biomatter.

People will get a general income that sustains their life and they'll be free to do whatever.
A few elites will still work, not to survive but to break human boundaries and will essentially secretly rule the world

>>8049564
Basic income will disappear as soon as people realize they actually care to be something other than bored for the rest of eternity. It's not even a step in our evolution. There will be no elites/every post-monetary person will be elite and everyone will work to break boundaries. (The relevance of money to motivation being one such boundary.)

>>8049583
Thank you Mr. Nietzsche for your words

>>8049426
The majority of humanity will be rendered useless and slowly starves to death while their rich former masters laugh in their ivory towers.

>>8049583
I just want to comment
>Nietzsche
But the pun doesn't translate well to text.

>>8049576

>and everyone will work to break boundaries.

Top kek you fucking wish
99.9% of humanity will be useless bums living in virtual realities and shit

>>8049618
Pretty much. But thats not a bad thing

>>8049618
63.2%, to be exact.

I don't consider my digital ant farm to be human. It isn't foreign to my plans, but it isn't my only plan.

>>8049426
Workplace automation will increase unemployed but in a 20-30 years, not instantly. Automation will create new jobs associated with the machines operation and maintenance and there will be a huge need of a computer programmers and engineers. When machines start building and maintaining machines there will be unemployment crisis.

>>8049447
This tbqh robo senpai

>>8049426
Wages are how we give the masses the money to live. If we replace wage slaves with robot slaves then we will have to distribute wealth by other means.

In other words government checks. There will plenty of wealth to go around though thanks to cheap robot labor.

>>8049437
Basically this.

>>8049426
>>8049437

Guaranteed Basic Income
Being NEET will be an acceptable norm.

>>8050645
If we are lucky there will be an explosion of art and science, seeing as pretty much everyone will have huge amounts of free time

>>8049437
>>8050645
these

>>8049426
>implying new jobs won't be created
You don't hear about telecommunication operators nor scribes anymore

>>8050649
>literal fountains of uninspired, deviantart-tier shit flooding every medium and genre

>>8050655
True, but 90% of everything is always shit

>>8049426
The population will be culled massively as the grist is separated from the chaff and the New World Order™ is emplaced.

>>8050658
We'll be gunning for 99.9999999999999% by the time we're done.

>>8050662
Nah itl still be 90%

>>8050649
Most people who don't actually work in science wouldn't do any actual productive science. They don't like science, they like science-y things.

>>8050666
Less people would be shoehorned into careers of convenience or necessity and would instead choose careers (or hobbies) of preference

>>8050664
Doubtful, presently you have to have money or legitimate talent to enter the arts and thrive there.

When every shitter can, the common denominator will become lower.

>>8050667
GBI might be enough to buy a microscope to look at samples of pondwater, but it won't be enough to set up a biochem lab in your basement and most hobbyists just want to, like I said, do science-y stuff that is cool, not do 500 trials of mixing the same two clear liquids.

>>8049426
TOTAL DICK RAMMING OF ROBOTIC COCKS INTO FLESHY HUMAN SOCITIES HOLES

>>8049462
Nice try, feminism.

>>8049437
Bernie 2016. Free money for life bruh

>>8050672
>Doubtful, presently you have to have money or legitimate talent to enter the arts and thrive there.

That helps but the arts also have lock-in effects that ensure there's always a few wildly popular crap artists in every medium.

>>8049600
NEETzsche

>>8049426
Internet jobs such as Youtube creators, tax collectors, writers, ect will become more popular. Uncreative types will compete and lose to robots, leading evolution to start creating more creative people. Eventually all of human accomplishments will be youtube poop vids.

send the surplus population into space. where they can live in oneil cylinders and work as miners.

>>8049633

Huh

The idea of
>"we're GOING to create AI cuz scifi said so! It must be! Inertia! Inertia!"
Is a crapshoot of presuppositions... based on FICTION non-the-less
>"But... all fiction has come true!"
No, less than .000001% has come true
>"fuck you"
Oh that's mature.
Machines such because people suck.
We haven't even perfected the car yet.
No, there probably won't be any real decent AI that TOOK R JERBS.
More than likely we will replace customer service and electronic assembling, but that's it.
As humans we jump the gun due to egotism.
>Google builds self-driving crashmobile before humans even attempt to build a solid mobile
FFS/BAKA

>>8049426
Same thing as before. The profits will 'trickle down' (meaning only the rich will benefit), and there will be lower employment rates. At some point we revolt, and get jobs again, despite there being less work to do. All in all it means you'll be spending lot more time doing nothing at your job 20 years from now, except you'll make slightly less.

>>8052496
You realize that you just constructed your own theoretical argument to knock down, using responses that nobody said and which are the least logical, to further your own point.

In a sense, it's as literally a strawman as it can get. If you're going to construct an argument for the opposition, really think about it and come up with the most persuasive one you can, and try to knock that down. Relying on "B-but muh X" and "Fuck you" as your opponent's hypothetical responses is disingenuous, illogical, and breeds both factionalism and greater inertia against changing your opinions.

>>8052496
baka baaaka

>>8049426
To be honest, with proper welfare and social constructs people would only work if they wanted to, and everyone could live an easy life if they wished. It would mean killing off capitalism though. And to be honest, if on one HAS to be motivated to work, then a socialist sociaty would not face the motivational issues of previous attempts.

BTW people were predicting and thinking about this shit in the 50's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Babylon_(Constant_Nieuwenhuys)

>>8052544

>In a sense

It'd a pure and prime strawman. No need to package it nicely

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>>8050649
>>8052572
This!

>>8052496
No robotics will replace all forms of menial labor, all that will be left to be is some form of academic.

People will just design shit, robots will do the rest.

>>8052467
It'd be easier to use machines.

>>8052572
I've heard people say that in this situation though people would be motivated to do what they really want to do, rather than just taking a job to pay the bills. They've said that will increase productivity and overall happiness in society. Doesn't mean capitalism has to die, just that people won't be taken advantage of anymore.
Also, the world was a very different place in the 50s, you can't really trust what they said then for what might apply now, they didn't even have the Internet, which has irrevocably changed everything.

>>8050649
no

AI will do those better too

There won't be basic income

People will be left to die. More people will have a greater share then.

Greed never changes.

>>8049426
The unemployment might be transient. New jobs will eventually be created.

As more people stop engaging in the economy, it'll contract. The value of a dollar will go up, as demand goes down and supply goes up. To offset this, subsidizers will cut back, leading to a gradual reduction in industry and food production.

As more production ceases, supply will go down, further offsetting monetary inflation. While this is occuring, unemployment will increase as employers cut corners to maintain high profit margins.

So, very quickly you reach a point where most people are unemployed, and there's no reason to employ them, sell them anything, or engage with them at all. They become threats to the palace economy that emerges among the elite.

The unemployed will then converge into giant shanty towns, where a new economy will form. First world nations are unlikely to allow this, meaning most first worlders will wind up in a camp with no economic power whatsoever. Where the government isn't rich enough for camps, genocide will keep the weak in their place.

Slowly however, the technology that allows the Slaveless Plantation will trickle down. The less violent and centralized an area is, the quicker it'll adopt the new economy. Evolving out of a violent world that rewarded them for autonomy, the new economy will subvert nations which retain the old economy much like industrialism did.

The new economy will then wage war against the old economy, and will win just like the northen industrialists won against the southern plantation owners. Composed of independent cells, the new economy will win because a nation state is very fragile - note how easy it is to reduce Syria to rubble. Bomb the roads, the powerlines, and at that point there is no society - just warlords in bunkers.

Imagine the middle east or Africa, but with immortality and wireheading.

>>8052745
Yeah, jobs is the mysterious gas factory where no one ever comes back from.

>>8049426
that fucking pic
>be robot
>hold a clipboard
u wat m8?

>>8049426
To the people saying: basic income, vote Bernie, socialism will work this time! You guys are fucking retarded.

Once it is possible for all goods to be gathered, transported and served to us by robots, prices for almost everything will bottom out to nearly 0. As long as competitive market forces stay in play and there are competing robot companies, prices will be lower than ever before. On top of that there will be all kinds of jobs available that weren't available before.

Now there should remain a safety net to catch those who are temporarily unemployed, but this safety net will need to shrink rather than grow. We will be living in a time of as of yet unimagined abundance.

>>8053275
The majority (or a huge chunk) of humanity will be literally unemployable

>>8053275
You speak of robots as if it's ethical slavery, but it's just another tool or means of production. You take the means of production out of the hands of the people and everyone becomes poor and unemployed except the 1% who owns the robots.

On the otherhand if robots could somehow self replicate and were cheap enough that anyone could do it and own one so we'd all own the means of production for our society it's be a different story. We'd all become producers, we'd all have wealth. Even if it weren't monetary wealth, which is overrated in today's age.

alright alright all you idiots are talking about jobs and shit. but what about when robots start cucking us? females buy toys more than males do, and with the combination of teledildonics and sperm banks we're going to be cucked by robots. open your eyes people

>>8053275
please be bait

>>8053316
>means of production
>1%
Commie detected. /sci/ is a rationalist board, i.e. a capitalist board. Please go back to /x/.

>>8053321
But anon, sexbots will be for men as well

>>8053326
Communism is rationalist, which is why it doesnt work. People are emotional, not rational

>>8053316
>muh memes of production

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>>8049426
Robots won't take anyone's job.
>>>/r/futurology

>>8053355
Has this become a new meme? Posting this meme pic in every thread no matter how unrelated? Count me in.

>>8053326
>supporting small business is communist

>>8053367
I love how none of these fags even update it so that it stops greentexting "2013".

>>8053367
>>8053377
Stfu cucks. You are just another pack of singularityfags who think there will be some kind of massive replacement of humans by robots as soon as 2020. It's not happening.

Go to your local supermarkets, fast food stores, pet shops, clothes stores, literally anything and you won't see any robots. It is a singularityfag pipedream. Technological innovation has reached its peak.

>>8053385
>as soon as 2020
said literally noone in this thread

if this isn't bait, kys

>>8053418
Obviously that was hyperbole. They still will hardly replace anyone by 2100. Technology is visibly coming to a standstill.

>>8049426
There was a book by Brynjolfson and mcaffee which covered this quite condensed and realistically, i think. check it out

>>8053385
>Go to your local supermarkets, fast food stores, pet shops, clothes stores,
There are completely automated pizzerias, grocery stores, clothing stores, and even farms. Uber will replace it's drivers in 4 years, Dominoes has an expert going, I could go on. Machines are going to replace everyone

>>8049426
>Up to 50% of our job will be taken over. What will happen to the increasing amount of the unemployed

In 1900 most people were farmers... in 2000 almost no people were farmers. Farmers did not become "unemployed" they learned new skills and did different jobs. We Do NOT need 1000000 truck drivers/ bank tellers, phone operators, etc.

>>8053355
I don't get it. Why would the requests board have anything to do with futurology.

>>8049426

>90% OF PEOPLE 100YRS AGO WORKED AS FARMERS
>2% OF PEOPLE TODAY ARE FARMERS

Oh, gee, living with over 80% unemployment today sure is tough, eh OP?

>>8054812
Because the requests exist *in the future*, along with all the other fiction futurists dream up.

>>8054778
>>8055237
>this tbqh
Learn to economics.

CGP Grey, the guy who made "Humans need not apply" got BTFO on this issue on Leddit actually. He didn't even know how to reply kek
https://np.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/comments/35m6i5/low_hanging_fruit_rfuturology_discusses/cr6giuw
He's MindOfMetalAndWheels

>>8049426
Nah it's ok, humans will find new jobs.
You don't have to prepare for something that is impossible.
Don't worry, continue to live paycheck to paycheck.

You're safe.

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>>8055237
Automation is literally artificial humans.
Yeah, i'm sure there's historical precedents we can look up to predict how it'll turn out.

>>8055848
This actually. Humans will find new ways to be bored if the economy becomes autonomous.

>>8055899
Exactly.
There's no reason a poetry-based economy can't work, all humans are 100% equal cognitively so everyone can be a creative genius, no problem.

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Now everyone can have a kawaii robot anime wife, if they can afford it. The future rules.

>>8049426

>tfw only applied math majors will not be replaced because we are the top of the foodchain

>>8052711
The actual product doesn't matter at all in art, that's why you see those 'paintings' that are just a canvas painted yellow or something but are worth millions of dollars.

>>8049437
Unlikely.

>>8049433
This is the most likely scenario.

Whenever this comes up, I always say the same thing: look at Rome.
The Republic: There were citizens and patricians. The patricians owned land and buildings, the citizens worked for the patricians on their land or in their businesses (brothels, barbershops, taverns and so on).
The Empire: patricians realised that citizens were expensive, they cost a lot to employ compared to slaves. So thanks the the Empires constant warring and the steady flow of slaves that resulted everywhere in Rome citizens were replaced with slaves. The only upkeep slaves required was food, some clothes, and a small group of burly men to keep them in line with fear and intimidation. They were easy to replace and couldn't call in sick.
But there was one problem, the citizens in Rome couldn't find jobs, so they started to starve. Starving Romans riot, so the senate, the body of the patricians, decided that they would bribe the people with daily rations of wheat and wine. The citizens, no longer needing to work as they could just leech off the patricians, took to spending their days consuming entertainment (baths, games, plays) or spending their small welfare on goods and services, all of which were produced or provided by slaves. The money the citizens spent on this always went straight back to the patricians, who then gave it back to the citizens in a never ending cycle.
Well, it ended with the fall of Rome.

>>8056443
Where do you get new math from then? It feels good to be on top.

t. mathematician

>>8053275

Why do people NEED jobs at all in this case?

Seriously. Answer that. We're positing a time when ALL THE WORK will get done. Why do people NEED to make up work to do just so they're doing work? What work is going to be not getting done that people need to be doing?

And while you're at it, answer the question of why this is even so now. I look around and I see unemployed people but I don't see work that needs to be done but ain't getting done because nobody's doing it.

>>8049426
They'll become luddites.

>>8053275

What, the people who own automation will control everything, most people will be worth less then the cost to run the machine, which will always be more efficient then the best human at most tasks.

Factoring in resource hording there is no way things will become more accessible, quite the opposite.

Can't wait

>>8049426
Same thing that's happening in India, they'll flood the labour market, lowering the value of unskilled labour

Tax on robots that gets turned into unconditional basic income for the populace.

>>8049426
socialism, then gommunism

>>8049437
An alternative could be everyone owns (or is given) their own robot that goes and does labor. This is more like our current system; people with the wherewithal to improve and repair their robot could use that knowledge to make more money.
A total welfare state might not work within capitalism because everywhere there are subsidies today you find companies effectively capturing and nullifying those subsidies.

>>8050659
New world order is for when mass extinction happens dummy rich elites and smart fellas survive and thrive

>>8049426
Everyone knows that the brain is the best computer, so people will be wired into the AI, and receive money for it :^)

>>8056653
Best post of the thread here.

>>8049426
Robot soldiers to guard the walled city states and agricultural zones from the low IQ hordes.