Is school really worth it now that 5 year olds can access lectures

Yes, because we know you're never going to do the actual work if professor man doesn't tell you to do it.

College degrees are just as much about proving you know how to work as they are about proving you know stuff.

>>7979921
Actually I meant more highschool and to a lesser extent grade/middle school as well.

>>7979949
For instance: http://news.mit.edu/2015/ahaan-rungta-mit-opencourseware-mitx-1116
Are we actually gimping kids by not exposing them to this stuff? Like 20 years ago fair enough the only way to access college tier material was to physically be there but its just not the case anymore.

>>7979910
Homeschooling was around long before the internet. As long as you can get your high school equivalency and score decent on standardized tests like the SAT and ACT then no, you don't need public/private school at all.

Although that totally ignores the social skills you develop by going to school. Most home schooled kids I have ever met are social retards.

>>7979955
Have you met the average retard the public school pumps out? Try looking at the kind of work first-year university students hand in without wanting to gouge your/their eyes out

>>7979981
I was a graduate teaching assistant for 4 semesters in grad school. I've taught 3 semesters of virology lab class and 1 semester of biochemistry discussion. I've graded thousands of tests and lab reports. I know full well the shit some students pump out. I've failed lots of students.

That doesn't change the fact that you can get a quality education from public schools if you desire to. People make the mistake of assuming that an education just happens. You don't get in shape by just walking into a gym and spending time there, you have to work. Likewise you don't automatically get an education by just going to school. You have to work. You get out what you put in.

Kids just keep getting more and more entitled and think an education is something that is just handed to them.

>>7979910
Absolutely. It really doesn't matter what you know. The whole point of college is to get a piece of paper from an accredited college saying you know x information. MIT will basically always be worth it. They can give information away for free (not in all classes, or all material from each class by the way), but the degree means you went through the pressure cooker that is MIT (shitloads of problem sets, hard tests, etc.). You can't get that degree without going through it and being able to make it through says a lot about how qualified you are.

School is not worth it at all. The days of 'compulsory' schooling to educate the workforce to improve the countries GDP are long over. Cut the schools budget by 70%. Skills test all youngsters at aged 7-8 to determine who gets a place. The rest dont/wont work anyway - leave them to their gun/drug running - natural selection.

Its time we got realistic about our societies. Having kids is a privilege not a god given right, and why should the rest of us pay for a bunch of losers and wasters.

>>7979990
While my views aren't as extreme as yours I really do think they need to do a better job of putting smart kids on the fast track in public schools and not letting them get held back by all the retards who don't give a fuck.

I was constantly annoyed in high school by how the teachers were pretty much glorified babysitters and had to spend more time just dealing with unruly students than actually teaching. Educators need to have the ability to isolate trouble makers from the kids who will actually go on to do something with their lives.

>>7979910
Schools these days are about credentialism, connections, branding, and prestige. It's not about learning as much as it is being a part of a clan.

Quality of teaching, learning, are all secondary since you can get that anywhere. But a brand like MIT will always be unique and valuable.

Never underestimate the power of name, it really, really opens up a lot of doors.

Because at the end of the day, people would rather bet on an MIT guy than a guy from Podunk U.

>>7979987
>That doesn't change the fact that you can get a quality education from public schools if you desire to. People make the mistake of assuming that an education just happens. You don't get in shape by just walking into a gym and spending time there, you have to work. Likewise you don't automatically get an education by just going to school. You have to work. You get out what you put in.
Of course it's possible to get a quality education, but taking your gym analogy, you probably won't get in shape unless you know what equipment to use/how to use the equipment, which is difficult when the teacher barely knows themselves.

You must have had a much more enriching/inspiring high school experience than most. I came out thinking I hated the subject that I'm now doing my master's in.

>>7979990
>School is not worth it at all.
Honestly it does seem that way. Would be nice to have state sponsored voluntary self-teaching centres staffed by grads who can't find a job who are there just to help people if they're stuck and can't figure something out. Also some meaningful qualifications you can attain just by passing some testing process so you don't have to take any stupid classes.

>>7980009
My high school was the lowest funded high school in Kansas. It was a shit hole. The teaching of evolution was also banned when I was in high school in Kansas (late 90's early 2000's). It made national news.

But I had a few awesome teachers. Mainly an awesome AP physics teacher and an awesome AP biology teacher. My high school biology class was better than my first college level biology classes in a major state university.

It doesn't take a lot of funding to create a nice classroom, just a teacher with some passion.

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>>7980010
>state sponsored voluntary self-teaching centres staffed by grads who can't find a job who are there just to help people if they're stuck and can't figure something out.

>>7980098
I don't catch your drift. There's nothing like this that exists at present.

>>7980309
When you see two of those beautiful 'greater than' symbols before numbers (i.e. in your reply, and in the post you're replying to), it means that.. they're replying.

>I don't catch your drift
It's not his drift. He doesn't have a drift. It's him quoting someone else. His only contribution to the topic was a thumbs up in the form of a Fallout image. The person he is quoting said "Would be nice to have[...]".

>>7980343
Yes, I wasn't sure if he was implying that I'm a retard because we already have that exact thing I was describing; college. Actually a fairly witty reply if that's the case, if somewhat incorrect.

I just wasn't sure if he was agreeing (sincerely) or doing what I said.

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>>7979910
The problem with higher education is that the bachelor's degree is quickly becoming the new high school diploma. Many people nowadays get their master's just to stay competitive.

Not having at least an undergrad is a liability.

>>7979910
If you're driven and a good self-learner and you're not gonna need a diploma that proves what you know or expensive specialised equipment to actually learn then you don't need much school, or at last keep it short just to get you started.

>>7979949
Kids need to socialize and learn things other than math and science.

>>7980463
>you can only learn to socialise in a minimum security prison for children
Err...

>>7980463
fug off humanities fag noone cares

>>7979987

I agree with this entirely.

>>7980463
>kids need to learn to be surrounded by stupider and louder children they hate along with bullies and retards while being babysat by a new adult every half hour so they can adjust to normal society

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>>7980367
>cartoon
that sounds like a shitty uni

>>7979987
This.

Quality education doesn't *only* come from selective-enrollment, tuition-out-the-ears, Jewish private academies. Yes, public schools may churn out white trash retards and drug-addled nogs, but the average public high school provides all of the activities and resources any little Einstein would need to go to Harvard.

To that end, money-grubbing private schools are generally better for spoiled brats that want to be pampered, in and out of the classroom. Getting the Phillips Exeter experience isn't necessary for becoming well-educated.

>>7980367
I don't agree with the idea that the BSc will become useless.

Many companies want to hire people just fit to do the job, so if you get a useful degree like engineering, you will be hired to do the usual CAD and documentation pseudo-engineering.

If they were just looking for Master holders then they'd have to pay up and waste money for a job that anyone can do, really.

What is true is that you will have a hard time getting the 'good' jobs without a Masters. For example, no one actually becomes an engineer without a PE, you will be paid like a highschool teacher. Futhermore, nobody gets to lead big engineering projects without the PE and some kind of Masters or PhD.

However, you could choose to just climb the ladder and from there it depends on what is valued most by your industry. Consider this:

CV of the guy with a masters: bachelor degree and masters degree

CV of the guy with no masters: bachelor degree and 2 years of experience

(assuming a masters takes 2 years)

What is more important? The specialization or the 2 years? If the guy with the masters were to just apply to the company the other guy is already in, when time comes to promote someone the guy with 2 years of experience might have an edge as he will know co-workers, boss and other company people better, thus will be trusted.

But if you study liberal arts then you are fucked without a PhD.

>>7980527
Yes, because that's what real life is like

>>7979990
>>7979998
While this should be the way it works, there are reasons why it can never be. Those destined for service, labor, or even skilled trades, without any form of post-secondary school, need to be able to blame themselves for their place in life, or at least the majority of them need to do this. If you cut them off from a decent education, or at least make it obvious that others are given an advantage, they will blame the system for their lot in life. Having an unruly population that believes they are second-third class citizens, because of decisions made when they were barely old enough to understand the basics, is a sure shot way to civil unrest. You might as well create a license for reproduction, that would be enforced through hospitals: show up without a license, and your baby gets taken away to be raised by the state, while the parent(s) are sent to labor camps/towns.

>>7979910

But will they?

>>7981325
That's a good question. I certainly didn't know about ocw or similar when I was 5; actually I don't think it existed, and even if it did my internet connection couldn't really support such heavy video viewing. On top of that I can't imagine why I would have come across it; my parents thought school provided all one's education needs and being 5 I was probably just more interested in playing age of empires or flash games.

But if someone had pointed me at said materials who knows what would have resulted.

At any rate I think that humans are inherently curious and if they want to figure something out they will labour at length to do so. On the other hand people will usually resist being forced to do something that they actually like, simply for the fact you're attempting to rob them of their autonomy.

>>7979910
questions like this completely are so obtuse and out of touch with reality that they could only have been made by freshmen

school is not about content

>>7979998

I was a trouble maker up to grade 7 or so, if not later.

At one point time I was put in a special education class for a few days.

I'm sure there's others similar to me who got bored with mundane day to say class.

Nearly done with my civil engineering degree now with a GPA in mid to high 3's, with relevant work experience in my field.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think I'm by any means exceptional.

It's just not so cut and dry as you might think.

>>7983058
>guy: yo stop putting up with people shitting the class
>you: muh experiences and feelings
>you: muh I used to be an annoying fucker but now i'm mediocre kinda not that bad

the post said nothing about troublemakers being subhuman or anything like that, it said that we should stop babysitting troublemakers. and we should. bonus points for "I was just bored I dindu nuffin"

What is 'AP' in 'AP physics' an abbreviation for?

What is 'PE' an abbreviation for?

>>7983061

I'm not talking about feelings, lol. I mean it more in terms of practicality

I do agree that times too much effort can be devoted to teachers arguing and trying to one up disruptive students

It's more that you can push people down the wrong path whether it's assuming them as stereotyping them as either highly competent or incompetent at such young ages

You seem very argumentative lol

>>7983084
Advanced placement

>>7979998
>>7980010
Good points
>>7981221
Understand. But incorrect. Central/East Europe still operate early years streaming to trade schools. They get 'basic' education alongside a trade (waiting, cooking, sommelier etc) I haven't seen the workforce rioting.

There are some realities to be addressed. There are not enough jobs. There never will be. The drive to lower wages means only the rich will work - they can afford to be employed in a low-wage economy. This is more likely your source of unrest. I stand by my assertion that an entire generation has to be dumped - no one can afford them, the tax receipts are too low. Give them a paying way out - of course.

This is one of the better threads on /sci