Is it better to do math/science work in pen or pencil? also

>>7920291
I prefer doing work in pencil as I'm prone to many mistakes. I do my notes, however, in pen.

>>7920291
Doing it in pen is better for practice.
You have to know the steps and not make simple mistakes

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>>7920291

I prefer pens, only because I prefer sharper lines. I can save space.

>>7920291
pencil for graphs pen for everything else

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Pen and lots of paper.

OP just go buy a 12 pack of these, they're the absolute best cheap-pen.

>>7920291

I'm pragmatic. Homework definitely pencil; if I'm rewriting notes I use pen on decent quality paper.

Pilot C4 is GOAT for pen.

>>7920857
I use the 4 colour pack

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>>7920291
>doing probability homework while in this thread
>get to a poisson distribution question
>see OP's image

Fuck. What are the odds? :^]

for people suggesting pens, can you say how they compare to the pilot g2

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buying a whiteboard was the best investment ive ever made.

>>7921177
I've been considering it, but the initial cost is turning me off.

>>7920308
this

>>7921179
dude the initial cost is no big deal

as long as its decently sized it'll all be worth it.

you can get boards at the dollar store.

even if it is expensive if you get it from staples, they're so much more convenient than paper for doing exercises on. and memorization.

ive been using my same whiteboard since 2008. its 1 foot by 3 feet. best thing ever.

>>7921179
no, it doesnt have to be a whiteboard, even a piece of glass. in a bout of autism i dismantled a microwave that we were going to throw away and when i got to the glass cover, i tested a whiteboard marker on it, and lo and behold, a really fucking cool platform to write on

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these are my favs

small lines, scratchy writing feel, no bleed or smearing

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>>7920291
Used to use pen, now I use pencil so I can edit any mistakes which, let's be honest, happen from time to time as humans. Correcting in pen isn't so nice.

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pencil in one hand, eraser in the other

Who /papermate/ here

Best pen

>>7920291

What's the best cheapo mechanical pencil?

Can add a few dollars if it looks cool

>>7920291
black pen

>>7921199
Complete plebtard detected.

I do math in a really dark pen and I have had to cross out entire pages of just incorrect work. That shit builds character. Everytime I open the book I have to quickly move to the page I last used so I always get to the see some of my mistakes as I pass the pages. That shit builds character. Everytime I see something crossed it makes me remember that once I was week. Once I was stupid but now I have overcome my shortcomings and now I know my shit. It is reminder for what I used to be and what I have become.

Pencil plebs never get this. This is why pencil plebs end up as spoiled childs. You never get punished for your mistakes.

Git gud, manbaby.

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>>7920291
Fountain pen. Currently I'm using Lamy safari with violet ink - looks really cool.

>>7921364
yes. papermate master race, the blak one for notes and the big red one for correcting my students. Feels so good

I like using pencils for doing my work (mathematics) because I can scribble out things easily. I never use the eraser very much, but I use it for replacing one digit for another for example, so the erasers generally last fairly long. I haven't begun working on one subfield in particular yet so I don't feel confident enough to use a pen yet. I toy with notation a lot currently so pencils are invaluable imo

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They are so cheap I buy them in bulk.

>>7920291
How is this even a question?
There's nothing you can do with a pen that you can't do with a pencil.

On the flip side you cannot erase pen but you can erase pencil.

Pencil is the superior choice.

>>7921844
Get the Pental Twist Erase mech pencils. I use the .9 mm for math because it produces thick dark lines. Many prefer the .7 model because the lines are a bit smaller. The .9mm lead lasts a long time though. Typically 2-3 weeks of using it everyday in school I have to change a piece of lead.

I pick pencil for two reasons.
1. I like having the ability to erase if I want to reword something in a proof or make a small error in computation.
2. I get anal about how my variables look, especially when they're Greek letters, and frequently erase them until they look good.

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Master race reporting in.

>>7920291
>math/science
>statistics
pick one

>>7921929
dumb capitalist

>>7921177
Why not a chalkboard?

>>7921179
Go to Lowe's/HomeDepot and go to the bath section. You can sheets of 4x13 (somewhere around there anyway) of the stuff whiteboard is made of for 10 bucks. Cut it into threes, and place on the wall or make your own stand.

>>7920291

>Chalk

Pen, i only use a pencil if i have to sketch something. As for favorite pens go, i like the ones >>7920312 posted.

>>7921164
About 50/50.
Either happens or it doesn't.

Pen, always. Bic cristal fine

>>7921897
This can you show me what ink you use?

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Been using these for years. Just buy a dozen from Costco every now and then

>>7922122
>constantly looking like your hands have a cocaine addiction
Naw. Dry erase is cleaner and more precise.

>>7920291
>Buy a roll of electrostatic whiteboards
>Keep in bag
>Unroll a sheet during class
>Lay sheet on desk
>Take notes
>Roll it up
>Carry rolls around under arm or poking out of bag
>Watch every student and tutor drop to their knees as they behold your majesty

>>7922355
Smugging ?

>>7922258
not OP but i just use the blue black ink that lamy sells, got a bottle of that stuff.

>>7922355
>electrostatic whiteboards
thanks anon this is actually super fucking cool. revolutionary even

>>7920291
doesn't matter as long as you concentrate on what you are doing instead of how.
Being very anal about writing utensils might reveal your lack of motivation in math/science. You try to avoid confronting yourself by tackling seemingly relevant questions.
Just go and learn, it is a hard thing and nothing is going to ease it.

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Fountain pen masterrace reporting in. I use Pilot Metropolitan Fine with Noodlers Black ink and some Made in Brazil ruled paper from Staples. Absolutely no bleedthrough or feathering whatsoever and writes fine.

>he doesn't work exclusively in TeX

hello grandpa

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Pentel Graphgear SL1000 9mm. favorite pencil ever...

>>7922528
Does it come with a fedora or do I have to buy my own?

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I have a few different Uni Toga .5mm pencils and they are some of the best I've used

>>7920857
I always get these. Best cheap pens

>>7921177
Nice meme

>>7922628
>.9mm
THIIIICK

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>>7920291

>>7922963
Yeah, I like the .7mm too, but I like the feel of the .9 best.

>>7922628
Just got a full set from .3 to .9 off ebay for 36 bucks. Not a bad purchase at all, now this annoying ass girl I study with wants one and I'm like nigga go buy one.

>>7923186
0.7mm masterrace, for pencils and pens.

>>7923186
.3 and .4 are amazing but the HB lead just snaps if you look at it wrong. You need to have a gentle wrist with those.

>>7923254
>2016
>using .7mm pencils.
It's like you're a fucking caveman.

>>7920291
I prefer pencil, because I cant find a fine point pen I like and I use .3mm pencils

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>>7923263

Fountain pen ftw, fine nib.

I make plenty mistakes, but I redo all the stuff until it's perfect.

For pens, can't go wrong with 0.5mm G-2; cheap, reliable, with a fine smooth line

The pentel pencil is the bestsub-$10 pencil I've ever bought. 0.5mm and the finger grip is the nicest I've ever had.

>>7921897
AYEEEEE high five how much was your lamy mine was 35$

>>7921897
mah nigga. I'm using Noodler's general of the armies, same pen

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>>7923303
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>>7923307
oh shit son I have that same pencil, I stole it from my brother like four years ago and never stopped using it

>>7923310
His loss

>>7923310
are you african american

>>7923336
no, brazillian

it's not like he was using it

>>7923337
>brazilian
still the same

>>7923243
Good price. I might give the annoying girl the 3mm, but she would have to put out.

>>7922173
underrated post

>>7923307
Holy shit those are the exact same utensils I use
Except I haven't used pencil at all in years -- but that mech pencil is the only one I have, gathering dust on my desk. Fucking freaky man.
Pilot G-2s are great, been using them for years and years now. Sometimes I wish I were using the 0.38 mm tips but I'm a fucking jew, and also I'm a little wary of the writing being too thin and light. 0.7s are disgusting though, 0.5 is perfect for now.

>>7921959
The pentel ones are easily the best you can find at like officemax or whatever. Been using them for years without a problem. They have a weight to them.

>>7921878
Hey if self flagellation is your thing.. I'm not judging. But don't try and spin it into superiority, please.

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pencils: staedtler/faber castell
pens: parker
marker: stabilo

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been using this one for one year already, black schneider ink and poads of paper. I know it's for children, but damn so smooth...

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>>7921325
This and a Rotring
Hell yeah

>>7920291
pencil
it feels better

>>7920857

these. or pilot g2

>>7920291
my favourite is http://ipython.org/notebook.html
and scientific python libraries
everything else is waste of fucking time

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Plebs detected

>>7924425
>felt tip

Eeeewwwwwww

>>7925664
>almost instantly dry
>no smudging
>can highlight seconds after writing
>applies just like gel but without mess

This is about notes, isn't it?

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in black and blue.

>>7921177
I back this guy up. Once you go white board, you never go back

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>>7920291
The Pentel P205 is the crowning achievement of 20th century writing utensil engineering.

I tried using a pen because of this thread, though. It was horrible. I make way to many stupid mistakes like -/+, or randomly writing a 3 instead of a 5, I'm too shit for pens.

>>7922509
This is me failing in math and i keep buying different pens.

>>7922987
These are, hands down, my favorites at the moment!

Anything by pilot will always write beautifully.

>>7922987
i like the way these feel in my hand, but they always just stop writing on me and then im sitting there in lecture just trying over and over to write one single line. anyone else have these problems? are these really sensitive to pressure? or perhaps its a handedness thing somehow? (left)

>>7920291
Pencil, unless the work requires pen. Pencil can allow you to erase mistakes. In Pen you have to scribble a line through it. It wastes paper space.

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I just use whatever's at hand.

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>mfw my pen is made of actual gold
Then again im not a poorfag student

I also carry around some pilot frixions for sketching diagrams because they are so much nicer than pencils.

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pencil is for plebs.

>>7921179
Anon, as this anon said >>7921190
it can be other materials besides whiteboard material. You can use glass or even acrylic, I use dry erase but since im short on space, I just use the side of my snake's tank and it works very well.

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Lmfao @ all the pencil and pen using plebs in this thread. Behold, the true master race.

>>7924337
based rotring

>>7927032
based bic

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>>7928014
>not using the medium of the gods

>>7920291
I use pen because the only advantage that a pencil gives you, erasing, is a waste of time

If you make a mistake, draw one line through it and move on. It's faster.

Writing with a pencil and using the eraser feels like I'm trying to make a work of art or some shit. I don't care about that.

If i want to draw an accurate graph I use Excel. If I want to draw a picture it's going to look shitty no matter how much erasing I do. Pen it is.

>>7921194
Mitsubishi makes pens? Why did I not know?

>>7927966
I bet your snake hates you

>>7920382
>>7920857
these

However I use Sharpie pens myself.

>>7921177
fucking genius

>>7921959
god tier taste

My dad and I have both been using the Pentel twist erase .9mm forever. He's been using them for as long as I can remember and I've been using them since jr high.

>>7922266
>not intentionally having chalk dust on yourself to cultivate a roguish scientist consumed by his work aesthetic

>>7924425
Good taste, every time I drop my pen the tip bends though

>>7923243
"Ass gas or grass, nobody writes for free."

The Master Race of pencils

>>7928204
Do you keep the caps off all the time? I've never had that happen. The nibs wear out over time, of course, but I've never had any bending from dropping the pens with the caps on.

>>7928236
This mostly happens when I'm fidgeting with my pen while waiting for a professor to continue

>>7922987
I've been using these, but they break easily.

>>7922987
I dig, but sometimes the ink gets sloppy...wish it were slightly more viscous.

>Not having an erasable pen

pretty neat desu, the heat from the friction causes the ink to turn colourless.

If you put a sheet with erased notes into the freezer for a while, they become visible again.

I would never buy a nice pen like >>7922987
or >>7924337 since i literally chew on every writing utensil I use.

Anyways y'all are fucked I just use free pens I find around my uni.

>>7925754
>not white and gold
pleb

>>7924337
I have a 600, hands down best pencil I've ever had

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>>7922698
This

>>7921199
what brand bruh

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i'm surprised nobody has said this yet

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>>7921897
I was given these by my grandfather, he used these through medical school when he was young. Do you think these are any good? Should I buy some ink and use them? Is it worth the switch from ballpen to this?

>>7929533
The dark blue one is a Parker 45, vintage pen I guess. And the Black one looks like a Parker but I can't distinguish well enough.

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>>7928031
>nuk bits,
muh nunga boonga

>>7921929
yea i like these too

Rotring radiograph is great.

>>7921959
Dude this is the only pencil ive used sonce 2009. Superb taste

>>7928944
>>7922175
I use these exclusively

>>7922634
>not wanting the superior writing experience
stay pleb anon

>>7928944
>>7927032

>>7920857
you can refill those with fountain pen ink ; it's much cheaper than buying a 12 pack, and you can use nice colors like purple

>>7921932
it feels so shitty to write with a pencil

>>7927032
>using black over blue
shyggydiggy

>>7921177
the whiteboard is excellent, problem is I feel autistic using it.

>>7930164
>>7930164
are you serious? blue is the worst. what colour are the lines on lined paper? yeah, that's right. Blue. black is easy on the eyes. i bought a pack with only blacks because blue is shit. blue is nasty.

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>>7920292
I'm with this anon. I use Pilot's G2 fine tip and pic related

>>7930389
> what colour are the lines on lined paper?
light gray or no lines.
Also I like to print stuff in B/W and then write on it. For this blue is far superior, too.

>>7931134
pilot's g2 is the shit biochem major here and the ideas flow with this motherfucking pen right here

>>7921177
I'm a math tutor and we use these to explain to students. It's pretty nice but not being able to refer back is frustrating for studying myself.

>>7931224
true. I use it mostly just to pump out practice problems and refer to my notes/youtube for help. Not really working the same for physics as it did in calculus tho :(

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Really nice with H2 lead. Give it a try for nice, accurate writing!

>>7920291
Pencil for notes and scratch work.
LaTeX for solutions and papers.

I care far too much about good typography and design to be filling my pages with crossed out pen because of a slip of the pen in my work/notes.

I also use a whiteboard when I work through long exercise sets. I particularly like the whiteboard experience because it means I physically have to step away from the book and my notes and just rely on what I have in my head. This makes it easier to notice where I get stuck and where my potential knowledge gaps are. It also means I'm less likely to get distracted by other shit like related problems and generalizations.

>>7921878
Sounds like all you're getting good at is having really low standards for how good work should look.

>>7922509
My thoughts exactly

>>7920291

I really like my whiteboard. The world could be ending outside, and I'd still be standing in front of it trying to figure out a problem.

I've probably managed to save some money on notebooks from it over the years too.

>>7920291
OP your thumbnail freaked me the fuck out because I just stopped studying for my STAT 244 final tomorrow. Use pen and be right the first time, easy solution.

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As an engineer that tends to draw out problems for visualization, I prefer to use clutch lead pencils - I also like their weight

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>>7931673
That or pic related - these pencils are fantastic, especially if you have a nice soft lead

>>7922122
>that friction

>>7931224
thats the only issue that i have with it.

what ive done lately is take a picture of my whiteboard before erasing and have it uploaded to dropbox. that way i can view it on my computer.

>>7922122
because i don't hate my lungs

>>7928943
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andrewsanderson/a-mechanical-pencil-that-will-last-you-a-lifetime

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>>7931585
If it's good enough for Newton to scratch things, it's good enogh for me to scratch my notes. It's different with projects, labs, etc. Then LaTeX it is.

>>7921970
They're pretty good I agree

Do homework in pen so you can see your mistakes

>>7931134
Can be taken apart and reassembled McGyver/Bond style into a one-hitter. Also, safe for lungs because steel.

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>>7923575
Amazon review of G2 top kek

>>7928107
Had the same thought. Type Mitsubishi into Amazon = mind blown.

Underrated thread.

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>>7920291
If you are a student, pencil.
If you are a graduate, pen/fountain pen.

If you are learning, you make a lot of mistakes. If you achieve master status, you just need to elaborate.
The same way that a sword with no tsuba is for one who mastered the art.

>>7933755
Since grade school i had been taught not to mess up, because when i get to uni i will have to write in pen i literlly pucture something in my mind before i right it down so i wont fuck up

>>7927032
the patrician's choice

>>7920291
Wooden pencil masterrace, mechanical normiefags get out

>>7927966
>I use dry erase but since im short on space, I just use the side of my snake's tank and it works very well.
This is so ridiculous, I love it.

>>7920291
Does any write on a graphic tablet?
Or do you ever digitize your written notes?

ITT : >muh pilot
Real men do it with BIC
>Inb4 poorfag

>>7922987
I use these too, but what pen is objectively better? I'm looking to upgrade.

LaTeX is better

I have a full colour set of these bad boys. 03 for notes and writing 01 for the colours other than black that I use in all the diagrams that I make.

ITT
>muh bic
>muh pilot
Cmon lads stop being poor.

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