Could it be that the same entity or force that changes the way

This again. You can go ahead and believe your God is hiding in the cracks, but I have to wonder why, if someone is so willing to believe in the soul, they would have to look for it in physical models. Either deterministic explanations of human origin and being have convinced you sufficiently to abandon spiritual models or there is no need to try to explain spirit with physics. This mode of trying to justify spiritual assumptions with scientific uncertainties reeks of the most rhetorical kind of apologism, playing to the aesthetics rather than reason and also seems rather defeatist.

Just grow some balls and say "science will never completely explain human consciousness, no matter how much we understand the body, the inscrutable soul will always be the dominant factor in our behavior" if that's what you believe.

>>7674623
what is your problem, exactly?

>>7674623
it really does seem like cognitive dissonance is taking its toll on you.

Oh it's this thread again.

>>7674623
OP never said "god", you did. Is it that much of a stretch for you to imagine the possibility of a "soul" without any sort of supernatural origin? There are plenty of things we can't explain yet, but that doesn't mean we never will.

>>7674604
>Could it be that the same entity or force that changes the way quantum particles behave when they are being watched
Observing particles is not like looking at them you dumb fuck

>>7674720
Does it change the fact that a conscious observer plays a role or might play a role?
No.

>>7674725
Why the fuck would that be a possibility?

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>>7674604
>quantum particles
I don't understand these. Like, they react to each other, even if said particles are on opposite sides of the world, yet nobody knows HOW or even WHY. What the fuck?

FUCKING SCIENCE

>>7674604
back to /x/ Chopra

>>7674729
double-slit experiment

>Could it be that the same entity or force that changes the way quantum particles behave when they are being watched plays a fundamental role in how the brain works, creating human consciousness?
You don't understand these things and should do more reading famicom.

>>7674878
quantum particles are being effected by consciousness, neurons consist of quanta.

>>7674720
>>7674725
>>7674729
>>7674835

Observing =/= looking at by a conscious observer.

Think about the process required to look at something if you're in a dark room. You turn on a flashlight and shine it at whatever you're trying to look at. You're literally bathing the object being observed in electromagnetic radiation, and we use our eyes as sensors to detect how its reflected. Or, in a particle view, you're literally throwing photons at the object and detecting the photons when they bounce back.

Detecting something by necessity requires that something to be detected, or we have to throw something else at it and look at what bounces back.

On the quantum scale, it gets to the point that if we try to detect or look at something, the photons or electrons that we throw at it actually disturb the system. This is part of the reason that we have limits on the degree that we can know the location and momentum of a particle. Trying to gain information about one disturbs the other.

I.e, there's a single electron floating around a nucleus. We want to know where it is and how its moving. We throw a photon at it and see how the photon scatters. However, by throwing the photon at it, we've changed both its location and momentum.

And what
>>7674835
is talking about is referred to as entanglement. There's literally nothing mystical about it if you have any sort of understanding. It can be easily described by analogy.

You have two envelopes, one being shipped to the US, and one being shipped to China. You also have a red poker chip and a blue poker chip. Without looking at which chip you put into each envelope, you mail them.

If your friend in china knows how you sent the letters, and he opens his letter and finds a blue poker chip, then he knows the red poker chip is in the letter sent to the US. There's nothing magical about that, and that's essentially what's going on with quantum entanglement. Two particles interact, and then are moved away from each other. If we understand the nature of the interaction and look at one particle, then the state of the other particle can be known as well.

>>7674881
Quantum particles are not affected by consciousness.

Read a physics book.

>>7674889
double-slit experiment

>>7674604
Flying Lotus pls

>>7674896
"Observation" in quantum mechanics doesn't mean "conscious observation". It happens all the time with other atoms, etc., it's just interaction of roughly closed system with an open system(or, in another words, non-unitary evolution). Learn QM first before discussing it, not the other way round.

>>7675114
most physicists today agree that conscious observation does play a role.

>>7675214
Find me one non-Nigerian physicist that says that.

>>7675214
As I said, leave popsci and learn real physics.

>>7675214
>most physicists today agree that conscious observation does play a role.
low effort bait.

find a source or stop posting please.