it's sooooo hot and humid here in california i keep soaking

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>>5756407
ME TOO CALIFORNIA BUDDY!

I DON'T LIKE IT! :DD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>5756411
doble

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>>5756411
hello california friends, it was 67 degrees today where I live, even though it's still summer... it was a cold august... and fall is coming early makes me sad

I want to enjoy the hot sticky summer weather for just a bit longer

It looks like the last nice very hot day will be tuesday at 88 degrees

>>5756407
it was over 100 here and my fan broke ;(

>>5756432
Just out of curiosity, would you still consume dairy if the cows had to live in 100+ degree heat? I just want to know what your limit is. What torture for them is okay with you?

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>>5756432
that sounds NICE. the grass is always GREENERE

>>5756444
trips! wooh!

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>>5756444
DAT IS BADDDD!!!!!!!!!!!

>>5756451
its gonna be the same tomorrow
i cant sleep
im gonna have an all night party

>>5756448
>that sounds NICE. the grass is always GREENERE

but california does not get very cold winters so u dont know the true pain!
>>5756447
it pretty much never gets 100+ degrees here!

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>>5756457
woo hooh! party!

SWETY PARTY! WOOH HOOH!!!!

*flails around in sweat(

WOOH OOH!!!! OOOHH!!!!!!

>>5756463
That's not what I asked. I asked what discomfort to the cows are you willing to support.

>>5756463
i grew up in minnesota where the wind chill would regularly get to like negative 40
i want that
>>5756464
your cute doremi poster

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>>5756463
wlell i guess dats just da way dings go! i donno wat i DONNO!

im glad ur enjoying urslelf aleast fren HOOH!

>>5756469
yoooo minnesota here
can't wait for S U B Z E R O D A Y S again

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>>5756469
u 2!

i pity coastfriends
there's hot
there's hurricane
there's earthquake
there's expensive everything
I'll stay in my frozen home

>>5756482
:33333
>>5756479
it better be cold when i come back for winter break

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>>5756469
>i grew up in minnesota where the wind chill would regularly get to like negative 40
that sounds really bad ! I couldn't take it

>>5756489
when you walk outside your boogers freeze lol

I just wish people would acknowledge my moral thought. It makes me very sad when people ignore what I have to say for no reason. There are already reasons that I feel disgusting in life, but I have thought a lot about how to do the least harm to other beings because I feel like that's definitely one way I can contribute to helping this world, but whenever I talk about it people try to ignore what I'm saying. I don't understand it and I don't know what to do about it. It makes me very sad.

>>5756489
>when ur nose hairs freeze
mmmmmmmmmmm you betcha that's a crispy sniff

>>5756500
nice dubs, i remember when I was younger and I was late for school my hair would freeze in the winter when it was still wet

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>>5756484
home is where da heart is, fren

>>5756488
dubs! wooh!

It's good that frens from all over can funpost together

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>>5756501
maybe they're just not vriry intrirested, fren. not liek they hate u or anything i'm sure.

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>>5756522
heartfelt dubs! wooh!

>>5756484
hot > cold tbh

>>5756503
crispy sniff is my new band name

>>5756531
i agree!!!!!!!!!! but i also like the snow so i am glad i live just close enough to the snow borderline

Here I sit; leggings bunching up around the knees, hands on keyboard disgusting to look at, eyes averted. Disgusting. Every piece of exposed skin lays as evidence to what I'm not. What I will never be. My disgust with my form is infinite, so I only have thought to offer, but my thought is rejected. No one cares about moral. No one cares about ethics. I don't like hysterics, but I rate the probability that I will kill myself within the next ten years at 50% and unfortunately a large part of that percentage is from my ability to relate to my only refuge 4 channel dot organism which i have browsed and become accustomed to since a young age.
The familiarity fades away and so do I.

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>>5756432
>>5756411
>>5756407
hehe i knowe where u live now...

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>>5756540
u write prette, fren! don't be sade, life is bitter but it has its sweet moments too!

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>>5756544
dubs! wooh!

>>5756531
[disagree]
cold? put on layer
still cold? put on more cozy layer and be cozy
hot? take off layer
still hot? god help you

>>5756545
I am likely a couple standard deviations above the mean when it comes to vocab IQ. Life would have less bitter moments if you people would acknowledge the repercussions of your actions.

>>5756553
i dont care about my actions because no one cares about theirs towards me lol

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>>5756553
i agree, but peoplel are only human! every1 maeks mistakes, what dose r varies from person2person! sister2sister!

>>5756563
i care about you friend :333

>>5756484
doesn't middlel america have uhhhhhhhh tornadoes and mad cow disease

>>5756563
There's very little real response to this, except to say that you're an idiot. This changed depending on your location, but if you live in a first world country and aren't able to get along with people, it genuinely is likely that you are the problem. Please, try better to make friends without being a hassle or a spaz.

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>>5756563
two rudes don't make a nice! ur actions could very wlell be all it takes 2 set off a set of dominos 2 get every1 caring!

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>>5756544
how do u know where I live!>?

>>5756566
I agree with that. I just ask that they acknowledge their mistakes and stop making them. I love every human so much. People are very special to me. I just don't know what to do when I try to talk to them about where they've went wrong and they are rude to me.

>>5756552
disagree!!!!!
cold put on layers... yes... but cold is a bitter sharp pain

hot is a lazy sweaty feeling... they're two different feelings, heat isn't painful, but cold is painful

plus clothes can be itchy
maybe I dont want to wear much!

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i sipped so much water today
shout outs to sicc sipper for his daily reminders or else i wouldn't have remembered tbh

>>5756590
u could have dieded

>>5756574
if only you knew

>>5756589
but im morbidly obese, this heat is like a malaise from which there is no cure

>>5756590
I'm glad you avoided death my friend

I think I am going to leave now. Trying to talk with people on here has depressed me pretty thoroughly. I really am not doing well in a multitude of ways and losing touch with [s4s[ is scary to me. I just want people to understand that their actions have consequences and be the nicest person that they can be.
I didn't want to end up at 1:30AM on the verge of tears. I just wanted to watch a movie or something tonight. Why can't people just be honest?

>>5756590
"that is one sexy little girl"
quoting walter gisnep

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>>5756584
wlell dat is ALSO being human! imagine it from der perspective and how "dis annoying guy is lecturing me sheesh" is what dey're thinking.

beliebe me, i know. its annoying but it is how it is. when u say "dis and dat" dey won't rly GET IT without some more context. like when u were a kid adults told u not 2 do "DIS AND DAT" 4 a reason but ur little kid mind didn't know why sometimes but u learn'd thru context eventulely... stuff liek that!

>>5756595
>but im morbidly obese
well... yeah then I guess u would prefer the cold lol
>>5756606
hello my friend, pls do not cry, but I think u r too invested in spreading your ethics on [s4s], and perhaps it indeed would be good for you to go to bed and get some rest

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>>5756606
take it easy my fren, i'm well aware of how important sincerity is. it's something that's lost nowadays i find.

I want to quickly thank you all for responding quickly before I am gone because I think these were some important inputs
>>5756611
those are dubs but i don't understand. putting up arbitrary barriers depending on whether or not someone you like is giving you information isn't good. I am not sure but I think gettin gthrough to people that think like this might be a losing game. they are ideologically biased to disbelieve you in anythign you say. You have to be close to them like a friend to convince them of anything. It doesn't work as a stranger.
>>5756616
Spreading my ethics isn't the thing, it's that I can't talk about my ethics. People push them off to very incredible lengths. I just want to know the fault in my thought, but no one will tell me it and they keep on doing bad things. Doing bad things makes me really sad and it's what keeps me up doing this.
>>5756618
I just want people to be honest...

>>5756639
>I just want people to be honest...
That's not how humans work...

>>5756639
>Spreading my ethics isn't the thing, it's that I can't talk about my ethics
many people are not interested in discussing very serious ethics such as veganism on [s4s]! We all have our personal beliefs about this sort of thing and it's wrong to assume it's not thought through

However you have obviously put quite a lot of thought into this yourself, and have quite a lot of arguments prepared, and most people aren't interested in getting involved in such a lengthy serious discussion, especially on a funposting board such as this, so, as Doremi poster said, it is natural to not respond to those types of posts

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>>5756639
i understand ur feelings my fren... but to create that large of an influence u'd have 2 create a story 4 some1 2 absorb or something. it's a very effective method... or ineffective. ur mileage may vary! rly depends on ur story-telling skills.

@ a certain point i've grown content with the differences of others. certainly their ideals don't line up with mine but that is how life is. it is how peoplel are. every1's different... u can share ur view... but if they were 2 whole-heartedly beliebe u or not is up 2 them in the end. if there is one thing u are in control of, it's urself.

>>5756648
woah

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>>5756648
i'm intrirsted!

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>>5756655
dublel dubs! wooh!

>>5756647
That's not how society works, but humans can in the right context.
>>5756648
[s4s] is the place for post-ironic discussion. You should bring your real feelings here. Being nice isn't about pretending to be nice, it's about having different opinions and talking them out, and really understanding what the other person has to say. You want an artificially nice board where no one states their opinions. I want a board of free dialog, where everyone feels open to one another. We are a sisterhood of people and every human is friend to another. Please accept what all your brothers and sisters have to say.
>>5756652
I don't want to become a hero trying to make a big story. I just in the moment wanted to talk about what I found to be bad in this world. I am okay with ideals not lining up, but you have to admit there is a point at which you will say that enough is enough. We just have different points and I think that in a hundred years society will have a point more similar to mine than is the average now.

>>5756675
but I posted my real feelings, you are being very rude for assuming my real feelings aren't what I said....

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>>5756675
wlell do go ahead, fren. tlell me ur thoughts.

>>5756684
No one has "real feeling" as simple as "I like this so I do it". That moral thought obviously doesn't work. Please don't lie to me.
>>5756685
I am scared. I am really, really scared. I don't think I am built to be okay in life. But I just want to help out in what I can while I am here. There are a lot of things that are really stressing me out right now, because, for instance, I don't think I really know how to conduct a physics lab or grade physics labs for that matter, but now that is my job. So I thought on the weekend I would relax and listen to an album or something but now I am here and somehow my emotional core has been penetatrated and I dont' know why people wont' stop doing bad things and I can't tell whether it's the estradiol or the alcohol that is causing the tears anymore. I just want people to be honest to their morals and stop hurting other beings.

>>5756685
please dont leave
i cried a lot after that it felt very bad.

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>>5756703
don't stress fren, if u don't know how 2 do 1 thing or another just ask 4 help. there's no shame in it. RLY push 4 help if ur not getting any either, don't be shy. it's how society works. peoplel don't just BECOME police occifers, peoplel don't just BECOME doctors. they're taught how 2 do things beforehand.

as for reasons as 2 why peoplel do bad things... it varies! sometimes they're just looking out 4 themselves, sometimes they're doing it 4 some1 else... sometiems dey're on an emotionlel high and thing they can do whatevrir without rly considriring de udder parte's feelings. it doesn't help that more often than not sincerity is the butt of the joke often... i don't like it eithrir but it is wut it is i think. at least that's what i think from what i've observ'd

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>>5756724
i won't leave fren.

i'm busy but i always have time 4 u

>>5756726
i am too drunk and sad to respond pfoperly to this i can't manipulate the keyboard properly
but i am okay with asking for help in certain circumstances not ones which i shoul have already learned. but regarding bad things i htink hurting something to benefit yourslef in sucha celear way coutns as that also i thinki I can properly hold this information anymore i wi still feel scared that i am going to get the bad information that I tried to discard. and then i get even more scared because the information that I told doesn't actually go away becaseuse I am not a robot I can't deal with this

>>5756738
please help i am dying

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>>5756754
it's simple a mattrir of coming 2 terms with the facts of life and how other peoplel's intertwine in ways, cruel and beautiflel.

when u 1st understood what death meant as a child u cry'd didn't u? u couldn't handlel it could u? i know i wasn't ablel 2... but as time passed the pain numb'd. it's a fact of lief and nothing can stop it so u might as wlell enjoy ur life 2 the fullest while u still can! not truly just getting drunk and dying in a ditch but working hard 4 a wonderflel life aiming 4 whatever goal one sets his or her sights on.

but that is something lelse. gib urself some tiem, fren. peoplel aren't always cruel and even the cruel ones have a hidden side to them.

>>5756759
pls don't die

>>5756768
haha dreamy got teen praganted

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>>5756754
addendum: do not dismiss selfishness as a purely negative characteristic. it's easy 2 do so but u musn't one must be shellfish at times 2 take care of themselves. only once 1 haz gotten 2 a comfortablel point in ur life can 1 afford 2 be shelfLESS whenever 1 desires

>>5756774
she dint git preggers she got flowres!

>>5756444
Checking you're le trips, buddy!
LOLE

>>5756540
change the world with your willing power

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>>5756855
DUBS!
LOLE!

Wow.
I got really, really drunk.
I mean everything I said was probably still valid, but wow.

All the anime fags are from California. Big surprise.

>>5757435
hello friend, I was merely calling my friends from california california friends, I do not live in california, so you are incorrect in your presumption, which should have been made clear, if you read things more in depth

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>>5757529
is akari like flowres ??!?!?!?!?!?!

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I hope everyone in this thread dies today lol

F*kn cancer

>>5756407
solution: kill yourself fucking commiefornia faggot

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>>5756467
It's okay the gows are animuls they hav no feelis

>>5757597
Actually, that's a common misconception. The research done on animal emotions pretty universally points to them being more cognizant and intelligent than your average person considers them to be.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/jul/07/cows-best-friends
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cows-are-way-smarter-than-you-thought_us_55b631ede4b0224d8832b382
a fun video is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mza1EQ6aLdg
^here's some pigs doing performing some tests and being compared to human children. So a fun thing to think about next time you eat pork is that you are eating and have contributed to the death of something similar to a child. I've heard people put their intelligence at something close to a 3-year old. You kill children and eat them. Crazy stuff, this world.

>>5757647
mmmm children

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>last heatwave

>>5757650
It is actually super interesting to note how people respond to these sorts of things. A surprising amount of meat eaters will resort to saying things that they never would otherwise and in some cases completely throw even human rights out the window when faced with the hypocrisy of extending rights to humans but not animals. Most people really don't have a solid moral basis at all, and I think as a society that is something we should work on, though I don't know how. I'm also not sure how much is people consciously deciding they don't care about children's lives and how much is just their brain short-circuiting and going to random output due the massive amounts of cognitive dissonance.

>>5757647
>similarity in behaviors
>equivalent to toddler!

>>5757680
Wow you got me, but if you're going to qouteth m'post how about you actually quote it
>similarity in behaviors
>something similar to a child
Looks a little better now doesn't it? Kill 'n' eat line was just fun hyperbole sorry if it confused you bud.

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How many of you are actually from Cali?

I'm a San Diegofig.

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I will never eat meat again, anon has opened my eyes. I had never considered that developing humans are as dumb as animals at one point, and that makes them morally equivalent. This airtight logic is the kind of thing we need behind our legislature. Pedophiles are just attracted to something taboo, same as gays, and when you think about it there isn't much difference between adults and children, they act the same sometimes. I really didn't have a solid moral basis until now, thanks.

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>>5757695
me too!!!

>>5757653
WHO ARE YOU QUOTING???

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>>5757550
>>5757435
>>5757573
#rude

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Heatwave? Struggling to stay hydrated? I think your worries on unfounded! It may seem hot now, but fall is rapidly approaching! Ohisama is doing is best to provide as much heat as he can before the summer ends! Congratulate him on a job well done!

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>quoting

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>>5757731
WHO?

>>5757735
>sugoi kawaii desu tbh famalam XD

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>>5757741
who is't art thee quoting?

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>>5757741
and who is that ur quoting?

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>>5757748
>check these nerd

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>>5757752
who .ru quoting?

I fwubbed it.

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>>5757750
>>5757748
>who are you guys quoting?

>>5757710
I'm glad you have fully considered my points and really tried to honestly question your values and whether or not you are acting hypocritically based on your moral set but oh wait instead of doing that you just replaced my argument with a different one and made fun of it wow great stuff.
Let me explain something to you, because I haven't been confronted with an actual argument in this thread, I have to speak vaguely and sort of guess at how people assign moral value to living beings. A common one for people is intelligence and ability to make bonds, so I hit those two points and pointed out the similarity between animals and humans. I am not trying to present "airtight logic" I am just pointing out that animals possess traits that would, in a vacuum, cause a lot of people to consider them as having moral value.
In fact, now that I actually scroll back up, you'll notice the person I was responding to said "It's okay the gows are animuls they hav no feelis". Implication being that lack of feeling is how we are assigning moral value, so I hit that point as being untrue.
What I am trying to point out is that because animals have intelligence and emotional states similar to at least early humans that you can't use lack of intelligence or feelings as a justification for their slaughter. If you'd like to come up with a different justification I'm all ears, and let me help you with an example: someone might say that pedophilia is similar to homosexuality because "pedophiles are just attracted to something taboo, same as gays" then I would come in and point out that the reason we accept gayness as valid and reject pedophilia is because of consent, not because of the taboo similarity. You need to find the difference that makes something okay or not okay here.

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>>5757760
>who are YOU quoting

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>>5757763
>im afraid i must insist as I am very keen on knowing who exactly YOU might be quoting my good sir?

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>>5757760
>>5757763
>>5757768
pls provide a source

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>>5757763

who is't art thee quoting?

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>>5757773
>LOL

>>5757762
Children are developing independent (in the physical sense) human beings that will become adults, unless you kill and eat them. The fact that human intelligence is not greater than the animal kingdom during every step of development does not make them morally comparable to 99% of humans. Many people feel great empathy for animals, and yes they do experience a wide range of emotions comparable to a very young child, but their lives are not worth the same.

>>5757831
"Children are developing independent (in the physical sense) human beings that will become adults,"
Great, so just to confirm you are using the argument that children will become adults as the reason for assigning them moral value?

>>5757874
>>5757831
I have to leave for a little, but I'll check this when I get back. I just want to confirm what your argument is before I approach it, and if I haven't heard from you on my return then I'll just assume it's what I posited it was.

>>5756501
im intrestd anon u can tell me if u want..!!

>>5757874
It is a life with memories and emotions that will become the foundation for a self aware adult human. The potential alone is a more morally dubious point that will very quickly become an abortion debate. The potential with the foundation is what makes children so particularly significant.

>>5757776
im sorry but can we talk about this i just think this is hilarious

>>5757932
oh thanks. I think I mostly elucidated it above, but if you have any questions I would be happy to answer them. Might be worth it to watch my discussion with this guy; I'm interested to see where he takes this.
>>5757936
Great. Thank you for clearing up your viewpoint a little, though I'm a little bit stuck on your potential vs foundation thing. Are you making the distinction to argue against harming children (i.e. if it were just potential, you could theoretically harm them just not kill them and still be morally righteous, but that would damage their foundation thus making harm also wrong)?

>>5758084
I made that distinction because people use the potential argument to say a fetus is morally equivalent to a human being.
Harming children is considered especially bad because experiences during childhood heavily shape their potential, which is why I called it a foundation. Unless there is a religious ritual someone wants to do of course.

>>5758149
Okay, cool, that is what I thought you were going for.
Alright, so my question to you would be this:
if the moral importance of children is gained via their potential and foundation, then is it morally neutral for me to torture, rape, and murder (or any permutation of these activities) a child that will not grow into an adult (thus eliminating potential and making foundation meaningless)? That is, can I saunter on down to the children's hospital and off some terminal patients? Or another angle, do people with developmental disabilities lose their moral value? Can I kill retarded people that won't ever grow to be fully functional humans?

>>5758310
gosh... here is a relaxing place, go to /qa/ or oth8r chan

>>5758330
[s4s] is the post-irony board where you should come to share your real thoughts with your e-friends and if one of my e-friends does rude things all the time that hurt living beings I want to help them to become a better person.

>>5757529
I'm literally so sorry, I was blind. Will you ever forgive me with a hug?

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>>5758417
I don't understand anything right now, but here you go!

>>5756407
humidity? where the fuck are you? it's only 15% here. the real problem is you're probably a fatass.

>>5758310
Aha, my friend, this is where you have been steered wrong, for humans are inherently non-logical beings, or rather, the world is non-logical and human beings try to apply contradictory logic to it, for while it could be argued killing retarded people is for the best, people form close emotional bonds to them regardless, and to encourage humans not to do so would be to encourage humans to abandon all forms of empathy, which would be a shame. Unfortunately for you, this empathy does not apply so easily to animals, and grows stronger the more closely related you are to the other being. Thus breeds the two logical dilemmas which cannot be resolved in a human empathy-logic framework

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it's like 100 degrees today. the lowest it'll be all week is like 75 degrees with 70% humidity. I hate this

>>5758525
There are a couple minor things I want to address before delving into the meat of what you're saying.
"humans are inherently non-logical beings"
Incorrect, humans are inherently *partly* logical beings. We can take axioms and follow them logically to their end results. We just aren't always good at it, and sometimes we ignore the result. That doesn't make us inherently non-logical, just sometimes illogical.
"the world is non-logical"
Not really relevant but I should note that the world is completely logical in its physical laws. If you are pointing to a lack of universal morality I would agree that there isn't a true moral system set by the universe.
Anyway, here we go. I am going to approach this argument from two directions
1.
First off, I am not sure how much you are even arguing with me anymore. If you are just telling me that I'm right and eating meat is illogical given most people's moral axioms, then thanks I guess. It really seems less like you are arguing for your "side" and more like you are giving an explanation for why people are illogical on this issue. I'd like to bring you back to where we were at for a second and just ask you this question:
Say I'm a person that lacks empathy (therefore I can not abandon empathy as it is already gone) on a desert island alone with a child that I birthed. Say I feel no love for this child (the child has no one with close emotional bonds to them) and say that they are ill and will die before growing up (no potential; foundation meaningless). I want to torture this child for their entire life until they die. Every single day I want to make this kid's life as close to a living hell as it is possible to achieve. My actions will not effect society, this is a closed box situation. There is just me and the kid. Do you have any objectoin to me breaking their little bones one by one?

>>5758525
>>5758637
aaaand

2.
I'm going to do a small rewrite of your post and you tell me what you think:
"Unfortunately for you, this empathy does not apply so easily to other races, and grows stronger the more closely related you are to the other being. Thus breeds the two logical dilemmas which cannot be resolved in a human empathy-logic framework"

>>5758637
affect*
objection*
blegh. Time to make dinner

>>5756407
it's very cold here in new york so i've been wearing socks and a turtleneck all day and drinking lots of tea!! you should wear less and drink lots of cold drinks!

>>5758641
>>5758637
What I essentially mean is, empathy has its limits, so if you delve into the core of it, essentially for most people, it won't cover animals as well as it does other humans. So we feel a desire to protect other humans from harm more strongly than we do animals. It would inherently be strange for a human to just WANT to torture a child. We would call that person a sociopath because it means they would lack even the most basic empathy present in all humans, the basic empathy for other human beings.

If you think about Empathy as gravity, most humans possesses this gravity. But it fades out at the edges. At the center is yourself, very close to you is family and best friends, slightly father, more distant acquaintances, even farther other humans in general. Perhaps slightly closer than other humans, is pets and other close animal friends. Now past this is where things start to fade out for most people. It'll extend to animals, but only to the extent that most people are okay with eating animals. There are various factors to human psychology that explain why some animals are closer and thus feel the gravity more strongly, but let's just focus on it in general.

There's a limit to where this gravity feels much presence at all, and even for you there is a limit. You don't think about all the tiny insects that die from your presence, the homes of animals you displaced just by living in your home. It's basically impossible to think about all that. So maybe the factor for you is how intelligent they are? Well it doesn't matter, everyone has their own factor that decides it. And even to judge animal intelligence in a way similar to human intelligence is complex and fraught with peril.

>>5758760

Maybe for you the factor is intelligence, but for most people it's different. Average Joe will never harm another human, because he likes humans and feels empathy for them. But he'll eat a chicken. Why? His empathy sphere doesn't extend to them. Why should he care if the chicken dies? From his perspective: The chicken isn't very smart, it's not very human like, and Joe values human like things and things that make things better for humans, and if he didn't eat the chicken, it wouldn't do much with its life anyways, at least not in terms of what Joe values. The chicken may have basic rudimentary feelings of not wanting to die, but for Joe that doesn't matter, he doesn't consider those human-like enough. And this isn't some deep thought but a subconscious reaction, but the basic emotional reaction of any human.

Now for you, maybe you consider those rudimentary emotions human enough, but most people won't. To put it simply, your empathy gravity is stronger than much humans and no matter how much empathy gravity you have, you'll find it hard to change others in the same way adding mass to a planet is hard.

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this thread is for nerds only

>>5758790
it turned into a massive moralfig discussion

>>5758760
>>5758764
Unfortunately, I am running low on time, so I will have to address these two later. I will try to get to them tonight.

>>5756407
boomp

>>5758764
"You don't think about all the tiny insects etc"
Just quickly I'd like to address this, because I do think about these things. It's not a very important point, but I try to do my best not to harm any insects so far as I am able, and when it comes to displacement of homes that does make me sad, and it's part of the reason I am against these "green deserts" that are modern suburban lawns. Obviously I am cognizant that my existence involves the death of others, and while that is sad I continue existing without cognitive dissonance for two reasons:
1. I value more intelligent (you make the point that intelligence is hard to quantify, particularly between humans and other animals, which is a very fair point, but I think we can safely agree that by most definitions of intelligence humans on the whole are smarter than, say, ants) beings higher than less intelligent beings, and so I think in general it's worth it to have one human exist, even if they will cause the deaths of multiple animals.
2. My selfishness (to an extent) in existence is justified by the emotional bonds I have with others. That is, it would cause greater distress to the world as a whole if I died than all the animals that I have been complicit in killing
Also, Jainists are very serious about non-harm, so it is not "basically impossible".

Okay, so at this point is it fair for me to say that you are no longer arguing about the morality of killing animals? The thing you're telling me now is just that people don't engage in real moral thought but rather just go with their feelings. I guess this is true to some extent, but I think the morals are implicit in our society. We just don't think about them, and when you actually confront people with their moral hypocrisy some amount of them actually do have a realization that what they are doing is wrong and change their ways. Sadly, there are those that will never change, but I don't believe that we can't change society's moral set over time.

>>5758764
Also sometimes I have trouble with feeling empathy, so I wouldn't say that my empathy sphere is larger. I just do this because it's morally right, not because I feel bad when I kill a fly.