>I have to pointlessly waste the majority of my life struggling

Would you rather be forced to slave away in a Gulag or die of starvation?

move to alaska and live off the grid if you hate it so much you fucking nerd

>>39632501
>You have to be enslaved to my system, otherwise this strawman
Kill yourself. I'd rather YOU go to gulag.

>>39632508
If I had the money to do that I'd be doing it now, not in fucking Alaska.

>>39632565
Okay. That doesn't answer my question though. Would you rather die or be a slave? Or perhaps just embrace capitalism and put in some effort instead of bitching?

>>39632593
Die. Death is preferable to capitalism. Why the fuck do you think the suicide rate is skyrocketing in America?

>>39632593
>>39632612
More than that, I'd rather kill. Let's hope it comes to that. I'd love to join a massive revolution that overthrows the rich and bourgeoisie and lynches them in public. I'm fucking down, motherfucker. Fuck, I'm not even a communist. I just hate you motherfuckers that much.

>>39632612
Go join a trade and actually work and maybe you won't struggle, and maybe you will be able to complete the majority of your goals. The world isn't fair anon, that's why this board exists, now quit your bitching and get to work.

>>39632612
look man.Capitalism isn't this thing that you can pin-point to and say A-HA THIS IS CAPITALISM BABYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

it's an ever-transforming economic system.It's not by chance that capitalism has existed for so long.There's nothing wrong with having anti-capitalist views or whatever but please don't make your life even more miserable by shifting black to BAD GABIDALIZM unless you want to become even more beta.I find that a lot of depressed people find refuge in internet politics.
Just stop it, man.Read some Jung.

>>39632471
let's hear your idea then, moron (communism or socialism do not count)

>>39632700
black----------I MEANT TO SAY //////BLAME////////

>>39632471
Go live of the grid you little beeetch.

>>39632471

right, it's no life at all

good goys wage slave for gorillionaire shekelsteins, so they can live the high life.

>>39632471
I've been thinking more and more about this.
I really want to start my own business, but I see no point because I can't even get the startup money needed

>>39632501
>The only alternative to the current broken system is authoritarian communism
The Cold War called, it wants its false dichotomy back.
>>39632593
>Would you rather die or be a slave?
Are these my only options under capitalism? Because it sure seems like it.

>>39632775
>sit around complaining about not getting free money to start your dream instead of working for it

>>39632471
Disregarding the debate on economic systems for a moment, that picture speaks the truth. Class war when?

>>39632700
>It's not by chance that capitalism has existed for so long
WTF I love slavery and serfdom now!?

reality might be shit, but no reason to blame capitalism. if reality is shit for you right now, it will always be, no matter what the economic system is.

>>39632471

>he has goals that he wants to accomplish in the material world

ascend my friend, there's not that much here that's worth striving for, maybe 50-60 or so years ago there was, but not in this unironic dystopia that everyone has been eased into in such a way that they can't see its a dystopia

>>39632850
>just go out and get $100,00+ lol
You must be a richfag

>>39632880
In the old days, the ruling class had cannons and walls. Now they have grenade launchers and A10s.

In sum, never. Unless you get them with cyberattacks. The vast majority of money today is digital anyway.

>>39632880
i would argue that the only thing destroying america is the goverment. revolution when?

>>39632813

what is your suggestion to the current broken system then

the only way socialism/communism can exist is with authoritarianism, so I hope that's not your suggestion

>>39632934
I forgot how a hundred bucks is insurmountable, better sit at home and collect gibs and do nothing

>>39632471
Maybe you should get gud brainlet

>>39632880

even the rich are not a monolithic group, they are closer to monolithic than most, but being rich does not mean your are a globalist scumfuck who only seeks to further themselves

its funny because unironically if we started going after the jews it would be about the same thing as going after "the rich"

i'm not saying the jews are a monolithic group either, but certainly the rich ruling class jews

>blaming society for your own failures

>>39632950
Same thing. The rich are the government.

>>39633042
because the goverment has too much power, so the rich "buy a seat" in the goverment so they have power too. but if the goverment has less power, they can sit in the goverment all they want but they wouldnt get anything out of it. less power to the goverment, more power to the people.

>>39632981
>$100 is enough to start a meaningful business
fuck off bitch

>>39633037

JUST PULL URSELF UP BY THE BOOTSTRAPS

now I unironically think this is okay advice to an extent, but there are forces well outside our control that have made modern society what it is

there's a reason women are largely whores and the majority of men are all dropping out of society, its called social engineering, and if we want a better future we have to out social engineer the social engineers

sounds impossible, but much more likely than you would expect, especially with memes and the internet

>>39632966
>the only way socialism can exist is with authoritarianism
This is demonstrably false, just by looking at some euro countries. You don't need to micromanage every citizen to collect tax and give it to the poor.

>>39633090

this is an accurate perception, but it doesn't take into account racialism, which is far more important than anyone wants to acknowledge

at the end of the day, there will always be a minority of people that will ruin it for everyone else, and cause a situation where fascistic laws have to be put in place to keep shit stable and ordered

and I'm not just talking about retard tier poor people, I'm also talking about the minority of rich social engineers at the top, who are far more influential and destructive than retards who can't get their life together will ever be

>>39633090
No, the rich would just use their resources to take the vacuum the government has left. Banana republics showed that even in a weak state large corporate power will take over what government abandoned if it is not handed directly to the people and will also buy the weakened state because even in its reduced state it is useful enough.

>>39633090
Or you let the gov keep its power, but make it democratically chosen. There's examples of functioning democracies, I don't know how the US went so wrong.

>>39633162

is that a fucking joke, most of the countries are farther down the police state rabbit hole than the US

and thats fucking sad

and yes that is the only way it can exist, do you honestly believe people would independently act in a way that is comparable to socialism? there has to be some structure there to enforce it, otherwise it won't fucking happen because HUMAN NATURE

I realize that that concept probably triggers you and you'll say something like "h-human nature is defined by the environment you live in!" or some other such bullshit, but at the end of the day we are apes, not bees, and we never will be bees or behave in a way similar to bees

>>39633236
>government = authoritarianism
retard

>>39633236
>there has to be some structure there to enforce it,
Whoever said there isn't a structure under socialism?

>>39633162
Europe isn't socialist you high school civics-tier retard.

>>39633169
No corporate power becomes the defacto government right down to the use of force. The use of private thugs and bombers during mining strikes showed this.

>>39633096
you literally stated you needed "$100.00+" to start your dream job you mental midget.

>>39633301
>you literally stated you needed "$100.00+" to start your dream job you mental midget.
>Goes after a typo
***$100,000
You happy faggot?

>>39633293

that's my point, there is a structure, and it would have to be authoritarian to get people to cooperate in a way that is similar to socialism

>>39633297

so what were you arguing about my point

>>39633361
>so what were you arguing about my point
Ceding government power to "the market" won't stop a rich oligarchy and might even empower it.

>>39632471
It's not that impossible to escape the system. There are a lot of people that did it, but you just have to make the right sacrifices and trade-offs. You're more powerful than you think and just to keep a minimal life is really not hard.

Start reading the ERE and MMM sites, get woke to the new program, and start sawing at your chains. It's honestly the only way.

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>>39632471
Agorism and Primitivism is the choice for you.

Lol, I don't work. I donate plasma and collect disability fuck this world system

>>39632653
>Just keep chasing that carrot! One day! Keep going!
Eat shit.

>>39632733
I WOULD but I don't have the fucking MONEY. You know? That fake paper or electronic bullshit that tells people they can live on the planet?

>>39632850
>Hard work makes dreams come true maymay!
Wow cool. Now when do I get MY small loan of a million fucking dollars? Anyone can succeed when they start an inch from the fucking finish line.

>>39632918
This. Fuck these people. They keep repeating the same evil, oppressive mistakes that got monarchies overthrown in the past. And they just can't figure out how "enlightened" self-absorption keeps causing it.

>>39632922
>reality might be shit, but no reason to blame capitalism
Bullshit. Capitalism intentionally makes life worse than it needs to be because it makes rich kikes more money.

>>39633229
thats what i was talking about. democrasy means goverment by the people, so the people actually have the power.
>>39633169
interesting point. someone always has to fucking ruin it. how do we stop this?

>>39632880
All institutions and civilizations are forms of indoctrination, slavery and social conditioning. I urge you to destroy everything around you. Insurrection when?

>>39633441
>intentionally makes life worse
do you think this is all a big conspiracy?
capitalism wasnt made to fuck you over, a system being applied wrong or not optimally (like every fucking system in the past) is fuckiing you over.

>>39633162
>europe is socialist
Worst fucking meme. Those countries are capitalist with a safety net. Stop being a tard.

>>39633449
Found the social constructionist retard. Individuals make society, not the other way around.

>>39632936
>The vast majority of money today is imaginary anyway
FTFY The power of the rich is literally based on lies at this point.

>>39633090
>But muh libertarian bullshit maymay
Go to hell and get your shit burned down motherfucker. We're getting fucking tired of your bullshit.

>>39632986
I guarantee I'm more intelligent than you. Capitalism is ANTI-meritocratic.

>>39633025
>even the rich are not a monolithic group
Yes they are. This is a lie. There is no such thing as a good rich man.

>>39633037
>Everything done to you is your fault
Tick tock motherfucker.

>>39633115
>JUST PULL URSELF UP BY THE BOOTSTRAPS
>now I unironically think this is okay advice to an extent
Do you even know what pulling yourself up by your bootstraps means? It's literally a metaphor for something impossible. Capitalists forgot this.

>>39633220
This. The eternal problem of libertarianism. They're too stupid to understand that the rich just become the government in a power vacuum and are a trillion times worse, just like in the gilded age.

>>39633397
There is no "Might" it fucking does BY DESIGN. The rich push this "muh gubmint is ebul" bullshit because they KNOW for a fucking fact that when you cripple the government, the fucking plutocrat sociopaths get to take over and turn the world into their personal piggy bank hellhole. And they know this because this is WHAT THEY FUCKING USED TO DO BEFORE WE MADE THEM STOP FUCKING DOING IT.

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>>39633549
Teehee, found the brainless unconscious hedonist zombie. Kys

>>39633447

you don't stop it, even though I might sound like I'm anti-authoritarian, I'm actually in favor of it in a sense

the way I see it government and control structures are unavoidable, i'm a pessimist and I think that enough people are scum to justify fascist systems, at least for the time being, my ideal is closer to a libertarian society, but that requires people to be at a certain level that most people seem to be incapable of (pointlessly violent people, etc), essentially, just keep your dumb shit to yourself and don't violate the NAP and we'll all be happy, of course, people won't do that of their own free will

democracy is also a flaw, because most people are too misinformed/stupid for democracy to actually serve the interests of the people

freedom of choice? sure if you count not being able to choose the choices given to you in any effective sense

this election was trump vs hillary

I mean I don't think in my lifetime there has ever been an election that I thought more than "well this one might fuck us less, and best case scenario fix some shit"

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>>39633549
since The Fall of Man
>lower life expectancies
>disease
>carnivorous animals
Hmmmm I wonder why this happened

>>39633343
100k is still not an unattainable sum for anyone, I get the feeling you just want the swanky business without actually working for it.

>>39633620
It's capitalism's fault, clearly
Everything bad that happens is capitalism's fault, not me!

Kikes have made it so everyone is born a slave. It isn't Capitalism that is the problem, it's the cancerous, immoral degenerate society that has ruined everything. Escaping doesn't cost that much money, but it is only reserved for those who actually work for it correctly. Get a degree in a non meme field, work hard for a few years, save your money, learn how to live frugally (it really doesn't cost much money to survive).

Then buy some cheap land in some cheap Eastern European country and go live a simple life there. You have to work for it though, doing some stupid deadend job isn't gonna cut it.

>>39633411
NOT ENOUGH MONEY. You have to BUY fucking land from capitalists. They have a fucking monopoly on it.

>>39633402
>It's not that impossible to escape the system.
Bullshit. Find me an inch of land on Earth that isn't in Antarctica that isn't owned by someone either private or public.

>>39633498
>do you think this is all a big conspiracy?
It doesn't have to be, you fucking jackass. It's just rabid dog-eat-dog bullshit.

>capitalism wasnt made to fuck you over
Of course it was. It is literally impossible for everyone to be well-off in capitalism. There always MUST BE poor masses in such a system and the more and the poorer they are, the better for the rich at top. They have a vested, psychotic interest in increasing income and wealth disparity, so that's what they fucking do throughout history. Capitalism is literally the MOST evil system mankind has ever created.

>>39633649
>Capitalism creates neofeudalism and destroys the environment and every economy and makes life a living hell for the overwhelming majority
>CAPITALISM DINDU NUFFIN! WE EITHER HAVE TO HAVE CAPITALISM OR COMMUNISM! CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS!!
Kys

>>39633583

you're too deluded in your ideals to see the world for what it is, that is, something that won't accommodate your ideals

there are rich that are not interested in the soros/rothschild control scheme, but they don't do anything noticeable, and are effectively a part of the problem either way, so I see your point I suppose

pulling yourself up by the bootstraps is not poor advice, as long as you aren't some vapid hedonistic materialistic cunt, you can easily survive and thrive in this society as long as you aren't afraid to work, I understand you probably hate the whole concept of having a boss, but its inevitable because hierarchy is inevitable

I also find it funny you talk about "the eternal problem of libertarianism" and go on to talk about the rich controlling everything, but don't seem to realize literally any control structure will lead to the same result

communism/socialism are the same thing, its just hand rubbing kikes telling people they're in control when they're not

for whatever reason it seems almost impossible for a nation state to just serve the interests of its people, corruption seems to be inherent, and to the controllers, I guess they see their own good as worth more than the future of their people

>>39633595
good education would be a solution to this, if we educate people about shit like this maybe we can all work together. i dont think people HAVE to be stupid. this might be too optimistic though. another solution would be maybe, only let people vote that are actually capable of it. but to actually make that a reality would be probably impossible

>>39633710
>Tut tut now let me tell you, you unwashed masses
You're gonna die, nigger. And nobody's going to miss you or your bullshit system.

>>39632471
>goals

gtfo you naive, delusional normalfag

>>39633649
Nope, civilizations are always evil. Social stratification leads to alienation, which leads to chimping out. The civilly sane are brainwashed. Class hierarchy leads to indoctrination, which isn't freedom.

>>39633681
>Bullshit. Find me an inch of land on Earth that isn't in Antarctica that isn't owned by someone either private or public.

Irrelevant. If you're talking about land and ignoring other assets, it's obvious you haven't read those sites. Like I said, follow the model that has been set out for you and you'll be free, just like

>>39633656

said. It's literally a simple math formula, you're a smart guy, you'll get it.

>>39633766
Why do you think robots exist? You think it's acausal? Almost everyone has goals in life. Capitalism just destroys must of them and grinds them into money for rich cancer.

>>39633681
Insurrection is the path to freedom. Freedom isn't free. Only when the capitalists are bleeding in their possessions and statists are blown up in their institutions can hummanity truly be free.

>>39633725

that would require that our education system not be fundamentally broken or pushing an agenda

also I personally don't think education is enough, and that genetic stupidity will continue to exist unless we go full eugenics, which we probably never will

I do think you're to optimistic, although I'm probably too pessimistic

>>39633730

>i had my dumbass arguments torn to shreds, so let me call this guy a capitalist pig and move on

grow up, the world is more complex than any ideal

this is why no one who is even moderately intelligent(not pseudo intellectuals) takes you cunts seriously, someone provides a counter argument to your zombie rantings and all you can do is more zombie ranting

>>39633681
please name me a system that has benefited more people than capitalism. not just theoratically.

>>39633402
>Start reading the ERE and MMM sites
Can you tl'dr me on these my good man?

>>39633806

uh huh, so tell me more about this free state of humanity after the capitalists and the statists are gone

pro-tip: its an ideal, there will still be violent retards and there will always be someone who ends up creating a new power structure

>>39633789
>Irrelevant
No it's not. There is nothing more important than land when it comes to escaping this bullshit system. NOTHING.

>Like I said, follow the model that has been set out for you and you'll be free, just like
So in other words, just go buy land brah. Are you mentally defective?

>>39633806
It's literally the only way for people as poor as me at this point. The rich knew the price when they decided to fuck everything up for personal short-term gain.

>Only when the capitalists are bleeding in their possessions and statists are blown up in their institutions can hummanity truly be free.
Damn right. Not to mention that fact that capitalism encouraged the planet to become insanely overpopulated so you can't get the fuck away from anyone for 10 fucking seconds.

>>39633818
You can blather all you want. The tide is turning and your bullshit is going to be burned to the ground motherfucker.

>>39633834
There are too many fucking people as is. Your entire premise starts with a delusional belief.

>>39633681
ZOG and Globalist interests control us all. I call for an insurrection. Destroy all proxy NWO: NATO, UN, NSA, CIA, FBI, Geneva Convention. Then, overthrow the state capitals. Release the prisoners, destroy the banks, cut the power cords and blow up the generators of power. Let no technological advancement hold us back.

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OP you're a lazy worthless cunt. I hope you get some good things in life; kids, wife, house, nice car, etc. Only to have everything stripped away from you leaving you no reason to not kill yourself. Fuck you and die.

>>39632471
I agree. I think that once everyone can be guaranteed *tangible* food, cleaning products, and private, secure shelter, life will be okay. UBI has the right intentions, except for the "income" part.

>>39633854
Not when everything that civilization is categorically destroyed. We will return to a state of true human will and over time our social conditioning will wear off as we assume our natural habitat.

>>39633818
i think an actually study of this topic would show if you are too pessimistic or iam too optimistic. experience shows though, that most of the time the truth is right in the middle.

>>39633854
Not him, but it goes like this: You all die and there are less humans overall. Most problems solved.

>>39633882
Oh if I had the power they'd be dead now. I don't. We have to wait and suffer as always, until the tipping point and shit explodes.

>>39633884
Good luck killing millions of people, hillbilly.

>>39633884
>he fell for the marriage meme
Let me guess, you thought the bitter divorcees from MGTOW wanted to be bitter

>>39633873

>still hasn't provided a counter argument other than impotent rage about a system well beyond his control

also you don't seem to understand me at all, since I'm actually not in favor of the current system, just pointing out the delusion in your supposed replacement

>>39632565
Nigger do you even history. we are living in the easiest time in history.

>>39633873
Yes, yes anon yes. We've got to redpill the masses to oppose the Kikedom, then we must use our superior leadership to systematically eliminate all evil institutions first, and when they see the truth they'll willingly destroy all of civilization. We will return to the Natural Order as God intended, free from limiters like wealth, status, possessions etc.

>>39633915
Wrong you do not have to wait and suffer. Pen your manifesto and blow up the federal reserve. Continue to target corrupt institutions until none remain or you're inevitably caught. However as part of your NAP you CANNOT willfully destroy occupied buildings because killing people is wrong and death is the result of The Fall of Man. Only truly evil beings like Soros, Rothschild's, Clintons etc can be killed.

>>39633836
Sure. These should actually be in the sticky for this site, imho.

http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/

This is the more mainstream site, geared toward a middle of the road approach and those with higher incomes

http://earlyretirementextreme.com/

This is a more extreme, compressed timeline plan, geared more toward speed and minimalism, or with those with lower incomes

I'd give you a synopsis, but it's probably best just to learn from these sites themselves. Good luck and welcome to the revolution. See you on the other side!

> No it's not. There is nothing more important than land when it comes to escaping this bullshit system. NOTHING.
Tens of millions of successes disagree with that statement, including my own. Land is essentially a liability. It's probably best if you do more reading and learn the various strategies before concocting and implementing some plan of your own.

>>39633910

if we return to a state of true human, it will be tribes and anarcho primitivism

I personally don't have a problem with that, but I think civilization and the pursuit of truth are worthwhile even if they are an accidental result of too much self-awareness in an animal

the way is to accept and understand human nature in such a way that you can reign it in and create civilization, the problem is getting people to separate themselves from their ego long enough to actually realize this nature, thus in the past the people who understand have simply controlled those who don't because its easier than trying to get windowlickers to understand

just tell them "this is so"

>>39633912

I see your point, but I don't think truth is always in the middle, and I think that's a silly thing to say

that said on problems that are less truth oriented and more perhaps morally oriented, arguments can be made for both sides and the middle can be somewhat reasonable

>>39633915

lol god damn it seriously grow up, you'd have to have surgical precision to kill most of the human race and not have what's left cause just the same problems as the previous civilization did, and that's not even taking into account the children of these leftovers

life is struggle no matter what, the primary disagreement of the left and right comes to this, the left wishes for this open society where everything is hunky dory, and the right wishes for a society that still provides struggle and challenge because that is central to our experience

read about german nihilism

>>39633944
Counter argument to which argument? You don't have any arguments. Just the same tired old capitalist propaganda that capitalism is a meritocracy and not a lock-down aristocratic bullshit dictatorship. Here's the counter-argument. FUCKING TICK TOCK. The more you win, the more you lose and the faster the poor rise up and eat you and burn your shit.

>since I'm actually not in favor of the current system
Then stop defending it you fucking liar.

>>39633949
Bullshit. We SHOULD be, but we're not. Again, at no other time in history was the social sphere so broken or was suicide so high. And YOUR comfort comes at the cost of BILLIONS of other people's suffering. You can choose to ignore that, but I'm not retarded, so I won't.

>>39633968
>they'll willingly destroy all of civilization
Who said you'll be given a choice, monster? You'll be slain. Nothing is in your power for long. You fight reality itself to support a system of oppressive illusions. Nature always rights itself eventually.

>>39634038
No you're wrong. Without killing billions, the world can't be fixed. If I could do that, I'd do it yesterday. Until then I have to wait for such thorough collapse that billions die as a natural consequence.

>>39634042
>Just become middle class brah
NO. Some don't even have that option. I never will. These "solutions" only work for the haves to begin with. They're not real fucking solutions for the billions of poor.

>>39634113
>if we return to a state of true human, it will be tribes and anarcho primitivism
Exactly. And less fucking humans.

>and the pursuit of truth
Says the dumb entitled fuck in love with a system of illusions.

> you'd have to have surgical precision to kill most of the human race and not have what's left cause just the same problems as the previous civilization did
You imbecile, there will never be another civilization like this one. You dumb monkeys cut your own throat. If and when billions die, you'll never recover.

>and the right wishes for a society that still provides struggle and challenge because that is central to our experience
Because you're evil pieces of shit. Yes, we know.

>>39632612
Economy has little to nothing to do with suicide rates. It's the media and technology that fucks your brain up. Media that fucks up your expectations and dumbs down your capacity to have human contact and technology to aggravate that. I am speaking from my own experience. I also live a middle class life, have most technological luxuries some people can't afford and I am still miserable.

>>39632813
>Are these my only options under capitalism?
Because it sure seems like it.
You're retarded, like half the board here. You don't to go to college (and I mean the ones that offer you practicable degrees like STEM jobs, not liberal bullshit etc.), never get any skill whatsoever, sit on your 200 pound ass in front of your computer 24/24 and you expect entitlement? You fucking Americans are such colossal pieces of dog shit. In my country, we don't have an ounce of "NEETBUX" for most shit you have and whatever neet bux we have based on disabilities is overshadowed by minimum wage and people still find a way to pull through. Because most of us work for our living.

>>39634042
Thanks a lot man, will definitely check this stuff out. Been very interested in this stuff the last year, living frugally, getting to the point where I have only what I need, can survive on as little money as possible, learning survival skills etc.

I hate that I was born into this society as a prisoner but I will get out. Modern society will kill me otherwise.

>>39632471

Nah, the rich ain't destroying America. It's corporatists. There's still rich folk out there who are good, hard workers. It's your corporate shill who pays off the politicians to bend the rules to their whim, they're the ones that profit off all these pointless wars.

>>39634198
>Modern society will kill me otherwise.
You're right about that, friend. Stay the course and make the sacrifices now while you can to reap the benefits later. Trust me, as you get older, it'll get harder.

>>39632471
>the rich

oh so the jews then

>>39633884
>he wants a wife
fucking normie get the FUCK out you're not a true wizard if you want a gf or wife

>>39634116

i think the current system if preferable to your dumbass system, and that's saying something

I want to bleieve you're jsut a really serious shitposter, because in all this text throughout the thread you have yet to actually say anything

it comes down to this: hierarchy is inevitable and natural, and you must accomodate for this in one way or another

it doesn't matter if its a consumer culture driven capitalist dystopia or your supposed communist utopia, there will inevitably be control structures and hierarchy

I really hope you're not older than 20 because its really embarrassing to have a worldview as simplistic as yours beyond that age

and as to your comments about "tired capitalist propaganda" maybe you should more deeply consider the information you consume and whether or not it is not just as propagandic in nature

do you want to know why the right's propaganda can outdo the left's? because propaganda needs at least a modicum of truth to get people to really immerse themselves in it


>>39634161

I don't appreciate the system of illusions, and if you're truly an anarcho primitivist I can level with the fact that your supposed system is more free of illusions than the current one

that said, we have the internet and knowledge and understanding that we could never have at a tribal level

we can make sense of this world even if it is full of illusions, more so than any spear chucking ape could

fine by me, lets just have a shamanistic society, but I guarantee you and yours won't be able to survive without civilization

seriously, I thought you were relatively reasonable, but you are as bad as niggers who don't even fully understand why they are violent

>because you're evil pieces of shit

no because we acknowledge the nature of reality

maintenance is inherent to your experience

>>39634116
>killing billions of people
Morally unjust. It has to be voluntary. Statists will die, any that willingly defend the state deserve it, since they were given a chance to drop everything and join.

>>39634428

don't expect leftists to care about morals beyond virtue signaling

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>>39632471
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>>39633887
Is this really happening?
Is /r9k/ waking up?
This is going to be one hell of a class war, I look forward to fighting with you folk.

>>39634465
So what? Securalism is the ultimate hellscape. Everything Satan desires, and the American Left indulges in this. Good riddance, they're statists all the same. The syndicalist anarchs/communists are ok but they'll probably die

finally a guy who understands that the world isnt as easy as people think it is. people should challenge themselves more to be able to actually form a real opinion.

you seem like an intelligent person. respect.

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>>39634500
AnPrim anon checking in. I'm ready to blow up as many unoccupied buildings as I can until I inevitably come to face with the unconscious lobotomized zombie hordes of the ZOG.

>>39633037
>capitalism fails you
>ITS PERSONAL FAILURES

>communism fails you
>THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN

>>39632471

You don't want communism, OP. You think you have it bad now? low zoz.

>>39634520

I don't know why you think the bottom lefties are okay, they're more delusional than their top left counterparts

of course, I suppose the more naive the ends the more noble

>>39634600
Agorism>>>AnCap>>>>>>Communism

>>39632501
>oogabooga the only alternative be gommunism

Are you American?

>>39634653
Well Anarcho Syndicalism aka Communism is compatible with Primitivism.

>>39633449
This. This pleases Adam Lanza. Civilization is rape. Destroy it.

>>39633774
>Social stratification leads to alienation, which leads to chimping out.
My God, you're describing Adam Lanza to a T. He talked about the same things you're describing.

>>39634698

yes, but calling it anarcho syndacalism at that point is silly

its really just national socialism taken to its basics, no civilization, but still an adherance to the tribe above all else

and do you know why that would work?

because us vs them is inevitable, because human nature leads you to help those more genetically similar to you

I will admit I haven't read a huge amount about anarcho syndacalism, but if its inspired by the concepts of communism at all then it would be at odds with that concept

>>39633884
>trumpist frogposter
You're pants-shittingly retarded, kill yourself

>>39634812
>human nature

xD

>>39634752
I discovered Primitivism when I was reading his posts online. Then, I connected it with my knawledge of le bible of holy jeezus and realized what it all meant. It makes so much sense now I can really feel it. Too bad Lanza was an idiot and shot up a school because of his personal feelings and not the greater good. He could've written a manifesto and become a great hero after destroying the capital of wherever he lived. Oh well

>>39634861

>xD

that's a good counter argument, I'll be sure to utilize it in the future when I have nothing else to say

>>39634895

>tfw we could have had a slightly more modern unabomber

>>39634807
Primitivism is the true robot ideology.

>>39634812
>human nature
>allegiance to tribe based on race
No thanks Adam and Eve didn't live like that.

>>39634188
>Economy has little to nothing to do with suicide rates
>It's duh lamestream media
>Shit /pol/ says
Shill, baby, shill!

>I also live a middle class life
WOW what an amazing and unexpected surprise!

>You're retarded, like half the board here
>Let me preach to you the gospel of capitalism
>t. bourgeoisie

>>39634235
>Nah, the rich ain't destroying America. It's corporatists.
Oh my mistake. The rich, after all are certainly not corporatist! I mean drumpbf!! #MAGA!!

>There's still rich folk out there who are good
No there aren't. Not one. If there were such a thing as even ONE good rich person, they would have solved half the world's problems by now. Or at least slowed the destruction of the environment. Anyone who's good will not be rich and vice versa because anyone who's good will spend every penny they have trying to undo all this fucking damage and NO rich faggot does that. The most they do is give token tax-deductible donations to shit or fund "charities" that help their own interests. The rich are fucking parasites.

>>39634279
Them also, but NO. Emphatically it is mostly WHITE, NON-JEWISH MALES.

>>39634344
>i think the current system if preferable to your dumbass system
Gee, I wonder if I can take a wild ass guess why? Could it be that you benefit from it? Every single one of your shit arguments amounts to "I got mine, now fuck you.", which isn't an argument at all, unless you're trying to make an argument for violent revolution.

>hierarchy is inevitable and natural
Hierarchy does NOT necessitate making other people miserable. CAPITALISM DOES. Human societies have always been hierarchical. But when we were tribes EVERY member of society was cared for, regardless of their ability to provide. One of the biggest, most vile lies of capitalism is that sociopathy is natural to humans. Pre-history proves you wrong. Stone age peoples cared for their sick and old. Capitalists are a modern PERVERSION of human nature.

>U a commie!
So no arguments then?

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>>39632471
>he thinks this is capitalism
America is euro tier at this point.
Ancap when?

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I finally got a halfway decent wage at $31/hr but it still feels like not enough. The thing is I don't even spend it. Monthly costs are around $500 because I live with my grandparents. This is spending like a jackass too, I could go down to $300/mo if I tried. Early retirement isn't that far fetched. I hate working but on my days off I'm so tired I rarely do anything. I put in maybe 10 productive hours each month. I envy the neets who can do that much every single day. I don't even like to say I have hobbies anymore. If I only read about it that makes it more of an interest until I start actively doing things with it. The worst part is it follows me in my dreams. If I keep it up I'll have $200k invested soon enough. After that I wish to work Friday/Saturdays only and let the investment grow. Those two days are more than enough to sustain me but should leave me with the energy to work on actually productive and enjoyable activities. Wine and beer are fun but it takes a lot of time and energy to do things properly.

>>39635012
what about gentle elon?

>Not being a NEET
fucking idiot

>>39635063
>discard the ideology that generates war
So he wants to remove any and all concepts of property and ownership? Good luck.

Even animals claim territory.

>>39634428
Humans are morally unjust. You cause a mass extinction event, then ball victim. Fuck you. DIE.

>>39634465
You don't fucking HAVE any morals to claim high ground, you piece of rancid trash. I care about nature. What the fuck do you care about other than yourself? Nothing, of course.

>>39634500
When you have to eat shit all your life and care about nature and watch it get destroyed no matter what you attempt, you get pretty fucking tired of shit pretty quick.

>>39634600
This. Capitalists are the archetypical eternal hypocrites. Fuck they even claim capitalism's failures are communism's! Look at Venezuela - a fucking CAPITALIST country, that suffered an invasion and coup by fucking America for business interests, but somehow this is still "communism's" fault.

>>39634633
I don't give a shit what comes next as long as the capitalists are dead. I'm willing to die for that. I have nothing left. This is the reverse southern strategy, nigger. I will gladly hurt myself to hurt the bourgeoisie, just as you pieces of shit have spent your entire lives hurting yourselves and the world to hurt me. Payback is a fucking bitch and it's about time for it.

>>39634698
Too many humans.

if it wasn't for the lower class laboring for peanuts and pennies, life wouldn't be easy for anyone.
you wouldn't have any fastfood joints, convenience stores, public schools, transit drivers, etc.

now we have a life where everyone can go get their own share, instead of, "oh hey, our families need to go to war now because you fished the local river dry".

the rich and wealthy have basically monopolized the river and collect mountains of fish for themselves while you can only collect 1 or 2 from the same river and for no real reason too, other than people just don't want you to.

>>39632471
The problem is that socialism only works in homogenous countries. I like how BernieFags always talk about Denmark being great but refuse to acknowledge that their population is like 95 percent white with strict immigration policies. The same could be said for Sweden and Norway, except Sweden has an open door policy and recently have been having issues with their socialism economy because of it. Socialism cant work in the USA.

>>39635123
What are you on about? People owning land doesn't cause war. Nations owning land does.

>>39635012
>I don't want to ever get a job but want to have food on table
>I don't want to ever get fit, clean myself and my place in order to get a CHANCE for someone to look in my general direction
>Everything I enjoy is a byproduct of capitalism, but that doesn't matter

t. communist lover

>>39634895
Yeah what the fuck how does killing kids overturn the power structure? What a dumbass. He should have killed politicians.

>>39635090
Elon Musk is a huge piece of shit. The sooner he dies the better. Him and all the other tech parasites (Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Bezos, etc.). I want to be clear, technology can be an active good, but nothing can be good under capitalism. It all serves evil.

>>39635063
Ancap is worst capitalism. It's literally larval cronyism and always grows up into direct corporate control of the state.

>>39635095
How can a NEET buy land? Or do anything basic like own transportation? NEETs can't be self-sufficient unless they're rich.

>>39635248
one shooting wasn't going to disrupt the power structure no matter who he killed. the point was to spare those kids from this life

>>39635123
>Even animals claim territory.
Yeah but they don't fucking destroy the entire world.

>>39635248
Elon Musk is the biggest welfare queen in tech. That dude has gotten so much fucking money in govt kickbacks for his stupid shit. Hes also all about socialism (or so he claims).

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ITT:
>Abloo, abloo
>Capitalism sucks
So what's a good alternative to capitalism?
>t-that's irrelevant c-capitalism is bad
I assume you're all baiting, no one can be this retarded

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>>39635248
>grows up into direct corporate control of the state
Wow its almost like government isn't responsible for the exact thing happening and that lack of intervention and open competition hasn't marked golden ages in American and world history

>>39632471
Boo hoo I have to actually work to be successful.

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>>39635172
Who said I want you alive to participate in Socialism? You're making a hell of a fucked up assumption here. I don't want you socialist. I want you dead.

>>39635270
Oh really? There's a damn good reason that right wing shootings are just another day, but the fucking SECOND a left-winger shot a republican HOLY SHIT NOW it's time to shit our pants. It's because America has been hard fucking right wing for its entire existence, excepting a few brief blips of left wing stuff like the New Deal.

>>39634922
>tfw Primitivism will never have the spotlight

>>39635130
Humans only became morally unjust after The Fall of man. I've said that this entire thread

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>>39635368
lol ok Pantyfa faggot. Have fun getting knocked out when you try to take your lefty violence to the streets.

>>39635364
>i don't want other people to be successful
fixed for you.

>>39635180
So instead of nations fighting nations for land it would be individuals fighting individuals for land. That will still be conflict. Nothing changes.

>>39635280
World's still here.

>>39635130
>too many humans
Compatible for them both to live cautiously together. I'm not an advocate

>>39635431
>I want to get handouts from people who earned their money

>>39635270
Yeah I know why he did it but I was morally unjust. Change must be voluntary or else we're no better than the state rape we endure today

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>>39635282
He absolutely is and worse still. All his projects are fucking lies. There will never be electric cars replacing gas vehicles. There will never be a real human space program or a hyperloop. And the reason for all of these is that NOBODY CAN AFFORD THE SHIT because capitalism is destroying the majority's lives. I want Elon's skull when he's lynched in the street.

>Hes also all about socialism (or so he claims).
Never heard that, but it's clearly a lie if he's said it.

>>39635310
I gave you a good alternative. Less humans and killing capitalists.

>>39635342
Government is not a supernatural entity. Fuck your religion of neoliberalism.

>>39635364
>Work will make you free
I've heard this before somewhere...

>>39635393
That's sort of the point though, isn't it? If it wins, there is no spotlight.

>>39635429
Oh you're a big man huh? Funny how all those neonazis cancelled their rallies after Charlottesville. Funny how more and more armed actual Socialists are turning up to resist your bullshit. Keep acting up you fucking chimping nigger. There are a hell of a lot more of us than their are of you. And we ALL want your blood.

>>39635451
>World's still here.
But not intact.

>>39635462
>Capitalist rape is "earning"
Lol all the fucking weasel words crapitalists use to justify their dictatorial bullshit.

>>39635462
>i think everyone who has money actually earned it

>>39635451
Why would people fight for land when they have the option of buying it. Also if you try to infringe on my property I'm going to fucking rape you with lead and so will anyone else.

>>39635462
>you should just work a pointless job because no one wants to train you to do something meaningful
they did that in the past but I guess it doesnt work

>>39635478
>Change must be voluntary
Wrong. Change will be FORCED upon mankind. And unfortunately, that's because humanity will NEVER do what is right of its own accord. That's why things are this bad and have been for this long. But Nature can not be fooled and this sort of bullshit is not sustainable. Soon humans will be destroyed by their own hubris. And that's literally the only way any of this madness will end.

>>39635482
>goverment is not a supernatural entity
Exactly, and like the supernatural it should not exist. Do you even know what Ancap is if your equating it with neoliberalism.

>r9k is a pro neet board
>everytime a politcial thread pops up everyone suddenly turns pro capitalism

huh really makes you think

>>39635530
Capitalism should not exist and soon you won't either. You can kiss your masters' cocks good bye.

>>39635482
LMAO even your hero Noam Chomsky said that lefties will lose when it comes to violence. Have fun placing your blame on everything and everyone but yourself and your own shitty attitude for the rest of your life faggot. Every socialist i know is a pudgy manlet who could mistaken for a queer.

>>39635482
>Work will make you free
>I've heard this before somewhere...

I'm sure you're much more free sucking on the teat of the government.

>>39635482
>But not intact.
Anon, volcanoes blast it apart constantly. Meteors have hit the surface and smashed shit up loads of times. Violent storms and wildfire frequently wipe out larger areas, in a week, than we do in a decade. It was never intact to begin with.

>>39635484
>I think I deserve other people money

>>39632471
you don't have to if you don't want to
learn survival skills and live in the canadian forest senpai

>>39635507
>humans will destroy themselves
Awfully convenient but suits me just fine. Problem is, we STILL won't have Primitivism because social conditioning will force us to rebuild civilization and there aren't damn near any amount of groups able to counter this because what are the odds enough Primitivists would survive something like that to destroy all attempts at rebuilding? That's why it has to be voluntary. Otherwise social conditioning will kick in and our efforts besides insurrection are ultimately futile. That doesn't bother me though.

>>39635490
You're a special kind of idiot. Why would you sell your land? And keep in mind, that other person will have weapons just like you. Good luck raping anyone with lead when they'll be doing the exact same thing to you, with the advantage of being freely on the offensive.

>>39635368
Well you will have to get rid of the minorities first dumbass. Kill me all you want, socialism wont work when you have a large amount of the population that doesnt give a fuck about education and work ethic.

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This thread is about to die so I doubt anyone is going to read this.

My perfect system which I came up with when I was 17 to fix society in 5 easy steps:

1. Remove Jew.
2. Remove corporations.
3. All jobs including farming replaced with robots.
4. Give all resources and manufactured goods to the government.
5. Citizens can acquire whatever they want from the government's infinite wealth and technology through a non-tradeable government distributed point system where points are earned for doing good deeds towards your society on top of a monthly allowance, and only tradeable to the government for whatever you want.

This is a post-scarcity society where true equality is born, debt and usury doesn't exist, and everyone can live like kings. The best part is, it could be done today.

>>39635537
Seems like a coping mechanism.

I'm somewhat happy to see the outrage. Obviously still feels a bit weird as someone who got lucky enough to work themselves out of poverty.

>>39635631
corruption ruins it

>>39635581
what you're saying is you projecting, what i'm saying are just reactions to you.
it's kind of stupid.

>>39635537
It's because of the /pol/cancer. I fucking guarantee there are THOUSANDS of actual paid shills on 4chan night and day to keep trying to reinforce capitalist propaganda. They know their bullshit system is hurting enough people that they're about to have fullscale revolt on their hands.

>>39635551
Noam Chomsky ain't my nigger. He is right about America's foreign policy though.

>said that lefties will lose when it comes to violence
Yeah and he's wrong about that too. Add it to the list. If you listen to Chomsky on ANY subject other than American foreign policy, you're fucking up because he's wrong about basically every single other subject.

>Have fun placing your blame on everything and everyone but yourself
You insufferable troglodyte, I didn't make this fucking mess. YOU FUCKING DID. I work almost every single day to try to clean up the mess you made out in the wild. Don't you even fucking DARE try to put that shit on me, you piece of trash.

>>39635561
I am, actually. Fuck the rich. If I could, I'd murder and rob them wholesale.

>>39635569
Don't give me that equivocation bullshit. If your entire defense is that you're no better than mindless forces of destruction then that just makes you a mindless force of destruction, now doesn't it?

>>39635581
There's no such fucking thing as "someone's money". Money is an entirely made up bullshit concept to justify rape of the environment and exploitation of others.

>>39635595
>Problem is, we STILL won't have Primitivism because social conditioning will force us to rebuild civilization
Won't matter. Humans fucked their genome up too thoroughly this time around. Mankind will not survive in the long run. Too many mistakes that were too large.

>>39635631
You need trustworthy people to run something like that. You're giving total control to "the government" and you'll need to trust they won't allocate extra resources to themselves while being stingy with what they give to the people.
I know that's what step 1 was supposed to stop but there are more greedy and evil people out there, too.

>>39635672
>then that just makes you a mindless force of destruction, now doesn't it?
Yeah, baby, I'm a mindless force of destruction. Now lie back and let me ravage your coastline.

>>39635626
>Well you will have to get rid of the minorities first dumbass
What the fuck are you talking about? The rich?

>Kill me all you want, socialism wont work when you have a large amount of the population that doesnt give a fuck about education and work ethic.
Oh lol it's /pol/ bullshit. Nigger if you think I give a flying fuck about brown humans more than white humans, you haven't been listening. I want LESS of you. I don't give a fuck what flavor you are. YOU ARE FUCKED.

>>39635631
I already have a more perfect system in mind. Honestly, just less humans solves most of the problems.

>>39634344
im not usually one to go on about reddit spacing but holy fucking shit fuck off

>>39635541
Capitalism is natural and has existed since civilization. Socialism has never existed and has always failed. The only true classless society us one were man truly owns his own body.
>>39635624
>why would you sell your land
To buy other land or make profit
If I feel that a person wants to commit violence or if I'd like assurance of my protection I can hire a company to protect me or I can form a cooperative defense force with my neighbors.

>>39632471
>the rich are destroying America
>jews are incredibly rich
>therefore jews are the problem

Buy Bitcoin and alts.

Join the rich.

>>39635709
>I can hire a company to protect me or I can form a cooperative defense force with my neighbors.
Then you become a nation looking to wage war.

If you can gather people to protect yourself then he can gather people to invade you. And we're all right back where we started.

>>39635737
>mfw i crash bitcoin by not valuing it

>>39635672
>I work every single day
>Im totally a govt parasite
Holy shit, just kill yourself right now. You arent fucking over the rich, you are fucking over the middle class. The rich paying for your bread and circus isnt shit to them. They would gladly pay that to keep you subservient. Why do you think Zuckerberg wants UBI? So he can control every aspect of your life.

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>>39635653
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>>39635705
Maybe if I could revise it, we could have an AI do the distributing but that wouldn't be doable today as AI hasn't reached that stage yet. Though we could have a simpler AI calculate for all the resources gathered, since robots are doing the work they'd be hooked up to it, and calculate everything produced, making these numbers public so it'd be much harder to exploit by people. Though I agree, the less human government involved in this, the better.

>>39635709
Literally everything you believe is based in bullshit and a deceptive view of human nature. Humans are social animals who take care of each other. That's not up to you to debate. That's the fucking fossil record. YOU are the aberration. YOU are the perversion. Not us.

>>39635713
It's not just fucking jews you piece of shit. You white men need to stop claiming other people can't have personal responsibility when you literally blame everyone else for EVERYTHING. Your shit stinks too.

>>39635756
>Holy shit, just kill yourself right now
Hard to figure out? Tough shit. Fuck the middle class too. They're the guard dogs of the rich. I have no sympathy for you fuckers. Get rekt.

>>39635779
Oh that's not what I meant at all. I designed a more perfect human government years ago. But the most important detail is to have less humans FOREVER. To NEVER have this many humans EVER again.

>>39635782
>you white men

divide and conquer, kike?

>>39635805
You can die with your jewish masters. And stop trying to be jews while calling others jews, you retarded faggot. YOU'RE the assholes who shill for jewish banking systems and economics and religions. What insufferably unaware faggots most white men are.

>>39635782
So you would rather have the likes of Bill Gates or Zuck deciding if you get to eat next month? Have fun living in a super ghetto with a bunch of chimps popping out tons of chimp babies every day on your 18000 dollar a year govt pay out.

>>39635742
>then you become a nation looking to wage war
I'm literally hiring the modern equivalent of police for the purpose of insurance of my protection. Except I'm doing it by my own will and at a much cheaper price than that which I pay in taxes.
>>39635782
I never said humans are social but humans are individualistic and will work together for a goal bettering the cooperative.
Also
>you white men
nigger and/or kike and/or other subhuman fuck off

>>39633644
Well, you know, not working is the dream lol.

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>>39635631
>government gets most of the points and stuff because they control literally everything
>they become the new elite and all citizens are considered the lower class
>government people don't need to do shit while all the citizens are scrounging for points
>people become interested only in attractive people with the most points or just the government people
you're basically just replacing exchangeable fiat money or any currency with points.
nothing much would change aside from that.

>>39635779
The problem there is that we'll stagnate. If robots will do all of the gathering and the distributing and making the decisions, then what are we doing? We're just sitting here with our thumbs up our asses waiting for the food robot to come and feed us.
If the AI ever glitches we'll be fucked because no-one will know how to fix it.

>>39635847
except it would be even harder to get out of a shit tier low class with that. You would basically be stuck forever.

>>39635829
>Bill Gates or Zuck deciding if you get to eat next month
I want Bill Gates and Cuckerberg to be choking on their own blood and google's HQ burned to the ground. This shit is temporary. I survive how I have to. It shouldn't be necessary. My work is unrelated to my income and much more important than supporting the rapacious system of greed fucking up this world.

>>39635832
No, I just don't care about you. And never will. You can die with the rest of the neonazis. Suits me. If you're not the ally of Trees, you're all the enemy as far as I'm concerned.

>Calling others kikes
>Being a kike

>>39635860
>more people can do art
>you can spend more time with the people you love
>did i mention muh art?
This is the arguments I hear. So many people think that everyone living in society deep down is just a passionate artist even if they dont realise it. Also forgetting that most people who aspire to be artists dont have people interested in their shit.
>b-b-but the art i make is for MEEE
lol no, if nobody gives a fuck about what you make its pretty heartbreaking and will eventually lead to you losing interest.

>>39635893
is there a single person who you endorse, or is everyone who isnt a commie on your shit list? Who will be there to take care of your sorry ass after everyone dies?

>>39635860
I'd maintain them desu. I like studying analytical things even when no ones watching. I'm sure there are others out there like that willing to carry that torch.

Just think of the insane prestige too. God I'd practically be a local celebrity.

>>39635893
I am though, my hope is that government does not force me to work abd pay taxes so that I can live if the land in peace.
Also Nazis are statists. Statism is slavery. I am not a nazi.

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>>39635847
See
>>39635779
Every month people would get enough points to eat luxury food everyday. There is no scarcity.

>>39635802
Please share that.

>>39635860
Well they can gather and distribute things we created. Like TVs, it wouldn't change that humans would do the inventing. Resources allow creativity, where as a starving person with a loaf of bread and some cheese will eat the bread and try and sell the cheese, a man without worry of wealth will invent eating bread and cheese together. Everyone of course will be well educated in schools not dedicated to creating dumbed down workers but scientists, engineers, inventors, etc.

>>39636001
>Just think of the insane prestige too. God I'd practically be a local celebrity.
It's more likely that the normals would ridicule you and ask why you aren't wallowing in scarcity-free hedonism with the rest of them.

>>39632471
It actually makes me laugh that fucks like OP bitch so much about a system that works, yet still go to the grocery store for food, still go to their favorite brand stores to buy new clothes and shoes, and still will bitch about capitalism and how "life isn't fair because I can't buy a Ferrari"

Guess what, if you want money to go away, then move the fuck out of the United States. Even with cryptocurrency on the rise, it will still hold a value, and when the system comes crashing down, those who have nothing will continue to have nothing because they don't have any useful skills besides making rainbow posters and crying on the side of the street for $15/hr flipping burgers.

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>>39635885
well, now that's even more shitty.
in fact, in that situation, I don't even think getting out of the lower class would even be possible without wasting part of your life trying to accumulate as many points as possible to reach a point threshold that would give you a government position.
they probably won't have this though, would probably have the government power given down through inheritance or something.
>>39635631
honestly OP, was your idea inspired by the good boy points posts?
>>39636093
>Every month people would get enough points to eat luxury food everyday. There is no scarcity.
what if I don't want to enslave myself to some asshole just to get points?
luxury food? is that what a month of hard work and effort is worth? some fucking luxury food?

oh, don't worry about the women, status and freedom that you will never have or get, here have some fucking luxury food for doing something nice for a month's work of good deeds you did for a bunch of assholes.

>>39635782

Try some Angela Davis and Some Rebecca Solnit, my dude. The Fire This Time is also legit.

Women of color have learned how to carry the exasperation and harness and transform it in interesting ways. I feel you, but even as an ally I'm kinda tired of your bitching.

Carry on in power tho, comrade.

>>39636241
>It actually makes me laugh that fucks like OP bitch so much about a system that works, yet still go to the grocery store for food, still go to their favorite brand stores to buy new clothes and shoes,
do they have any other option?
even if he chooses to abandon modern life and decides to live like a caveman growing fruits in a cave somewhere and hunting animals with spears, the government and big businesses would still find him and tax him/force him to pay for using "their" land to grow food and hunting "their" wild animals.

>>39635828
I'm a puerto rican/native american male with only 1/4 white blood. Find the jew in my family.

>>39636404

Ayyy, it's this guy >>39636290.

Hope your family is safe in this man-made catastrophe.

>>39636335
> do they have any other option
America is not keeping them locked in. However, if he wants to get out, he is going to have to make some money to get a plane or car and cross the borders. Mexico and Canada are not too far away depending on where you are at in the US, however, border patrol most likely wouldn't let someone in unless they had a job there and citizenship for fear of having to "deal" with their lazy shit.

> he government and big businesses would still find him and tax him/force him to pay for using "their" land to grow food and hunting "their" wild animals.

I disagree completely with this. If he doesn't have property or income, they will never know he exists.

>>39636335
True. To ignore those gubmints would be a crime and they'll put you in a cage for it.

>>39636093
I'll give some details.

- There is no money and an abundance of automation and labor-saving techniques to maximize labor efficiency and minimize human population size.
- People do what they do based on interests and everyone just expects this without additional payment; the government allocates resources and labor as needed from the population

>>39636241
>Food comes from a grocery store
You retarded son of a bitch.

>>39636252
>honestly OP, was your idea inspired by the good boy points posts?
That's not OP. I am.

>>39636446
>America is not keeping them locked in
It absolutely is. So what you're saying is I can just go out into the wild in America and live off the land? Alright.

>>39636335
This.

>>39635782
Back to africa pls

>>39636446
>America is not keeping them locked in. However, if he wants to get out, he is going to have to make some money to get a plane or car and cross the borders. Mexico and Canada are not too far away depending on where you are at in the US, however, border patrol most likely wouldn't let someone in unless they had a job there and citizenship for fear of having to "deal" with their lazy shit.
doesn't matter where he lives, he'll still be in a country that has the government or companies owning all the land and forcing people to pay if they live on it.
>I disagree completely with this. If he doesn't have property or income, they will never know he exists.
if he can't own property, then he has to live in a place where no one will find him and force him to pay up for using that land. That land belongs either to someone privately or to the government, and if they find him through government patrol like rangers in forests or private security, will have to identify him somehow and will force him to pay up, so he basically has to live illegally. In a way, it's illegal to live without paying.

>>39636587
I've considered it. That still takes a lot of money though. And even there the governments and businesses wouldn't just let me live.

>>39636604
Why can't capitalists grasp that they've built a prison?

>>39636604
>it's illegal to live without paying
Harsh, but true.

And suicide is still a crime and considered immoral. And abortion is also looked upon poorly.

>>39636615
>Why can't capitalists grasp that they've built a prison?
It's simple, they're in on it.
I'm far from a communist, but this is far from not being a prison in it's own way.

>>39636697
Exactly. They have a vested interest in maintaining this Earth as a prison because they're the wardens and the prison owners have given them a choice between being guards or prisoners.

>>39636523

>Food comes from a grocery store "You retarded son of a bitch."

No fucking shit food doesn't come from a grocery store that's my point you inbred pussy. If you hate the system so much then get your own fucking food.

>It absolutely is. So what you're saying is I can just go out into the wild in America and live off the land? Alright.

I can already tell you aren't very bright. Again, if you don't like the way America does things then LEAVE. The majority of us like the way it works and we profit from it because we aren't lazy complaining fucks.

>>39636604
>>39636615
Capitalism does not exist all over the world. Many of you are too retarded to develop a plan of action for the next couple months, come up with an excuse to LEAVE America that the border patrol will believe, get your shit together and fucking go off on your own.

Capitalists have built a system that works. Enjoy becoming even more stupid out in the wild.

>>39632471
Democratic Capaltilsm works for me beacuse I live off neet bucks and attend college for free even though I have no intention of working. If you can't make this capitalistic society work for you then your retarted.

>>39636749
>No fucking shit food doesn't come from a grocery store that's my point you inbred pussy. If you hate the system so much then get your own fucking food.
I don't have the cash to buy land, fuckface.

>>39636749
>Capitalism does not exist all over the world.
Yeah, it actually does. Shows what little you fucking know.

>Capitalists have built a system that works
FOR YOU, the rape class. NOT FOR US, the MAJORITY.

>>39636775
Where do you live, what do you do, and why the hell can't you make more money?

>>39635706

you know the whole reddit spacing meme was literally made up by some 4channer as a meme that made it look like you're more 4chan than thou, knowing full well that redditors that were new here would latch on trying to fit in

>>39636796
I'm disabled. I'm intelligent and skilled enough, that I SHOULD be able to do a lot, but the current system only rewards retarded bullshit like nigger technology and entertainment or dynasty wealth like oil tycoons and real estate magnates.

>>39636852

why do you think your skillset would suddenly be better accommodated under another system

>>39636749
>If you hate the system so much then get your own fucking food.
on what land? the land that is owned either by the government or privately? the land that would be considered illegal for me to grow food on and harvest it for my own purposes?
the land that I can't purchase without slaving away?
>Capitalism does not exist all over the world.
still controlled by some type of government, so it wouldn't be too good either, would have the same effect, just a different controller. besides, most of the world is capitalist.
>Many of you are too retarded to develop a plan of action for the next couple months, come up with an excuse to LEAVE America that the border patrol will believe, get your shit together and fucking go off on your own.
you clearly missed the point or didn't even read the text.
it doesn't matter where you live, someone with more power will find you and they'll force you to pay.

>>39636852
Also, I was born into a VERY poor family with no support, so fucked for life more or less.

>>39636883
Because capitalism is anti-meritocratic and rewards feefees rather than logic. In a logical system, environmentalism would probably be the highest priority. In THIS system, I'd die of starvation if I tried to make money that way. That's just one example.

>>39636908
Under your autistic system you'd still be fucked regardless since you're disabled, and you haven't answered what state and/or city you live in. Land is cheap as fuck in the States if you look in the right places.

>>39636908
>Because capitalism is anti-meritocratic
So you be sayin'
>*takes money from his workers just for using his equipment/land*
we capitalists and capitalist governments * >*encourages robbery, theft*
ain't makin' easy money
>*controls said workers so that they stay obedient*
and we is ANTI-MERITOCRATIC?

>>39636961
Yeah well here's your system: >>>/pol/140957452

I rest my case.

>>39637024
>capitalist governments
Oxymoron

>>39637037
Damn, you sure got me. How will I ever recover from such a blow?

>>39637039
*capitalist system

big difference, right?

>>39637064
The fact that you don't care shows just what kind of a worthless dumbfuck you truly are.

>>39636462
it's actually quite depressing that they will do that if you refuse to give a shit about them and not pay them via taxes and what not.

>>39636961
>Land is cheap as fuck in the States if you look in the right places.
you mean all the land that no one wants because it's in a barren or isolated place, or is just in a shitty place where one could generally not survive without having a lot of money beforehand and purchasing a shit ton of stuff to survive there?
yeah sure, maybe.

>>39636961
Yeah, in the middle of fucking nowhere where you have to be able to afford to build all your own infrastructure. Dumbass. There's a reason land in northern fucking Arizona is cheap. MOST land in America is fucking ridiculous. I live in the Midwest and you can easily find raw land with no buildings less than an acre for $40k-50k.

>>39637086
Oh I do care. You're blind if you don't acknowledge the fact that there are issues today. But posting a picture of Kid Rock running for senate isn't exactly helping your point.

>>39637182
It summarizes it neatly. This is end stage capitalism. Your society is so ill you're turning it into a literal circus to try to distract people from paying attention to the river-sized cracks in it.

Buy monero.

>>39637211
This isn't the first time something like this has happened nor will it ever be the last. Unless you want to go back to career politicians and established positions. And how are you disabled anyway?

>>39637275
I want humans gone because of shit like this. My disability is not your concern.

>>39637442
So you're a faggot. Good to know. Woe is anon.

>>39637275
>This isn't the first time something like this has happened nor will it ever be the last.
when was an event like this ever present in monarchism unless the monarch in charge was legitimately mentally ill?

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>hates capitalism
>uses cellphone
>uses computer
>uses internet
>uses electricity
>uses heat/ airconditioning
>has food readily available 24/7
>has running water
>prob doesn't even work or pay taxes

Lol you faggots amaze me. Pull yourself up by the bootstraps isn't a meme. You live one life, it's your choice what you do with it. If that's complaining on anonymous message boards then so be it.

T. Homeless fag who got sick of blaming my problems on everyone else and now is rich.

Stay poor faggots.

Pic related, some of my play money. Huehuehuehue

>>39637500

While technically consumer capitalism may have played a large part in the emergence of these technologies, they could well have emerged without the systems of capitalism today, and if anything would have emerged much faster in a society where larger numbers of people aren't forced to start off with nothing.

If every human brain currently absorbed in toiling away frying crappy food for other human beings toiling away could be liberated and given some basic level of freedom and security - you'd massively increase the amount of brain power being applied to improve technology and society more.

>T. Homeless fag who got sick of blaming my problems on everyone else and now is rich.

LARPer.

Guys chill, it's in the nature of capitalism that it fails when overinvestments in human resources aren't rentable anymore. This time will come soon due to the advancements in technology and robot controlled environment. We should choose our moment of revolution carefully.

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>One day, society gets destroyed, leaving a classless anarchy where societal and moral norms are destroyed and forgotten
>You get killed instantly from one of the many hunters who now survive off of human flesh
Yeah, fuck society man. When has it ever done us any good to have one of those?

>>39637500

Why is this screenshot from August?

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>>39637500
lashidkofhs

>>39637073
Yes, a capitalist goverment can't exist. Since capitalism itself is the absence of goverment.

>>39637754
That's literally wrong. Capitalism has nothing whatsoever to say about government one way or another. And in practice, capitalism ALWAYS BECOMES the government. EVERY. FUCKING. TIME.

>>39637580
Okay I was working 50 hour work weeks and taught myself front end web development. If you have a computer and an internet connection no reason to be poor in 2017. The ones who "toil away frying crappy food for other human beings" and go home and consume netflix and shitty food and drink beer won't get anywhere. That's their fault for spending their precious free time wasting away on childish pleasures. The guy who goes to work and then works to better himself day after day is rewarded. So many opportunities this day and age and you all let them pass you by because you're lazy or afraid to try something new.

Everytime I come on this site and post something normal like making money or getting laid, you fags think I'm making it up. Brings the lulz.

>>39637862

>The guy who goes to work and then works to better himself day after day is rewarded. So many opportunities this day and age and you all let them pass you by because you're lazy or afraid to try something new.

I notice you dropped the homeless LARP. Many people struggle to get the free time to invest their mental energy in schemes to get rich, and many of these schemes currently rely on exploiting other people in a condition of relative poverty. This bullshit you're promoting ignores the actual reality of life, not the other way around - the worldview you're espousing is the tunnel vision one, not mine.

>Everytime I come on this site and post something normal like making money or getting laid, you fags think I'm making it up. Brings the lulz.

Wow you get laid? Amazing, truly miraculous. You are an inspiration to us all.

>>39637694
Because it's the last ss I took. I sold a lot of my coins and bought dif ones and never updated my folio.
>>39637703
How did the company get started? Would apple have started the company if they would have not even been able to technically own the company? Why would the guy developing the operating system bother doing it for apple when he could just work in the assembly line and get paid just as much?

Retarded socialists bring the lulz.

>>39637959
>dropped the homeless LARP

Not a larp, I was in a bad place for almost a year.

>no time or mental energy

Make time and learn to manage it properly or stay where you are.

>exploiting other people
Who did I exploit developing websites?

>ignores the actual reality of life
No actually it magnifies it. It any facet of life and human existance the outliers will always be there. The ones who own 90% of the wealth, the ones who conquer the vast majority of the land, the ones who rule over the vast majoriry of people. This system in the us isn't perfect but one thing is for damn sure. If you constantly put in the work and effort you can make a really good life here, which you can't say for the majority of the world. If you disagree you could always try living somewhere else.

>>39638112

>Who did I exploit developing websites?

How do you make money through them? Selling what?

>If you constantly put in the work and effort you can make a really good life here, which you can't say for the majority of the world. If you disagree you could always try living somewhere else.

Economic mobility in the US is lower than much of the world, including many countries with more extensive social services.

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>>39638112
YOU are totally full of shit.

>>39638206
>Economic mobility in the US is lower than much of the world
And this is why.

If your fucking bullshit were true, everyone in America would be a millionaire. The continual lie of capitalists is that capitalism can work for everyone when it's LITERALLY designed fucking NOT to.

>>39638206
My web development skills.

Haha so you want me to give you more of my money so you can live a better life? Just lol. Go to where you believe the econ mobility is higher then and see if you succeed.

>>39638259
Okay? Literally proves nothing. Of course successful fathers will grant their sons more oppurtunites to be successful. Literally the entire point of life is to provide your offspring with an easier better life than you had.

>designed not too

There will always be people at the bottom. Difference is with capitalism they have the option to break free and climb to the top, or at least higher than the bottom.

>>39634564
>anprim siding with the communist because its the best way to destroy everything and start over.

sounds about right

>>39638645
The losers at 0 always want to destroy everything. To bad if they ever did they would just be at 0 again since they're still the same lazy uneducated whiney betas as before.

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>>39632471
>>/leftypol/ or /lgbt/

People who blame the wealthy, the near perfect system called capitalist, or call them selves prolaeriates, wage slaves, or wage cucks need to get the fuck out.

>>39638780
Classic Bezmenov. Besides, idc if die because that's the reality of the ideal way of human life. Well actually no, that's how it is during the first few decades~ when we break social conditioning due to lack of civilization's luxuries. But that doesn't bother me because the human condition is more important.

>>39638821
Wagecucks are robots

>>39638259
You just are too stupid to take advantage of the system. If you really wanted to you could.

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>>39638821
Bankers, career politicians, big corporations, the entertainment industry, msm etc must all be destroyed. Regression is the only path to true freedom and hummanity.

Capitalism is fine, it's just trade so who fucking cares? It's restrictive laws and monopoly enabling restrictions put in place by corrupt politicians that will have no place in the future of humanity. Anarcho-relativism absolutely sets the stage for capitalist lifestyles to be lived, the chains of law created by the jews to enslave all those who do not wish to partake in this societies ways are what need to go.

>>39639292
No you can't say that because humans will still be enslaved to material possessions, reliant on trade and other humans instead of total independence, and without a ruling state to support society someone will end up killing everyone else. Capitalismcreates losers that lose beyond their control because capitalism only favors intelligence and cunning. It does not improve the state of living in an anarchist setting. Further, the lack of educational institutions will force them to come about and they will consolidate power and become a new state.

>>39632471
And we all know that best way of achieving your goals and dreams is through this chess pit of losers, defeatists, redditors, racists, and all other sorts of wonderful shitty human beings who's abnormal tendencies can only fester and cultivate during this day and age on the digital medians of the internet.

Bravo kid, I see great things in your future.

>>39639549
Dude shut up it's just a topic for discussion and he's got a cool 261 bumps so kys