>tfw you realize capitalism is to blame for like 80% of the

kikes are to blame for 100%

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>tfw communism isn't any better
>tfw hitler was right and made the perfect system

>the system used by 80% of the important countries is responsible for 80% of the world's problems
Kek.

>>39573396
Look, communism, socialism, and capitalism all have their strong points. They also have their weak points, capitalism having the most preferably cons. Communism eventually leads to dictator-like governments and socialism ends with everybody leading a life of destitution.

>>39573396
name the twenty percent of problems it doesn't cause I guess

you're dumb btw

>>39573396
99%, you fucking neonazi.

>>39573496
>Modernity is shit
>Every country is capitalist
>Not a country on Earth worth living in now, though there used to be many
It's almost like there's a pattern or something.

The enlightenment is the true root source of the problem.
Capitalism, communism, marxism, atheism, liberalism, utilitarianism all stem from it.

>the world's problems

You're probably one of those antifa faggots who thinks that Africa is shit because they tried capitalism and not because they're niggers

>>39573549
Feel free to move to the communist Utopias of the world. Finding them might be a tad difficult.

>>39573549
It's been a while since the last major geopolitical shakeup and as history shows, massive boons in technology and quality of life follow. Our planet honestly probably needs one, the only thing that worries me is the environmental concerns that would result from that. No point in having a major war if it's just going to leave the Earth a husk.

>>39573579
t. blind wagecuck

>>39573589
Name one.

>Finding them might be a tad difficult.
Yeah, exactly you stupid faggot.

>Cancer takes over body
>Cancer must be good
HURRR

>>39573592
Probably? No fucking probably. This boat needed capsized before I was born and I'm middle aged.

What problems are caused by freer markets?

>>39573396

Capitalism destroyed our traditional values.

>>39573589
There has never been a single communist country. Socialism > Capitalism tho

>>39573632
Look up Argentina

>>39573632
>fear markets

>>39573658

Shh, point out any failed capitalist country and he'll just blame it on the shitskins being incompetent and not the actual system itself

>>39573505
all are just ideologies to rile up masses and get to power. Communism, Fascism\Nazism...

After that it's corrupted oligarchy or worse.

>>39573549
correlation, not causation, dummy

>there used to be many
u fucking wot
did you just forget about the whole standard of living/enhanced lifespan thing

I wish I lived in a country that had a real king instead a bunch of kike bankers

>>39573690
I'd rather shit in a hole in ancient Rome than have an iPhone in Texas. This is a fucking absolute cultureless shit time to be alive. And there are TOO FUCKING MANY HUMANS.

>>39573735
>>And there are TOO FUCKING MANY HUMANS.

I was visible and audibly upset for a week after China lifted their child ban. That country was good for only two things and now it's just good for cheap production.

Seriously, if it was up to me, America would go to a 1-child limit. Give the people like 3 years notice and it goes into effect. Same with mandatory metal recycling.

>>39573396
>tfw you realize innate flaws in humanity is to blame for 100% of humanities problems and there is no cure only treatment

>>39573773
If it were up to me 7 billion would die today.

>>39573618
I live a good life I'm very happy

T. Antifa literal cuck

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>>39573505
Well, if we're being technical, communism doesn't lead to anything as the original idea did not support the idea of nation states at all, let alone dictator-like governments. Also, it's important to realize that we are not at the bottom of the pit of capitalism, that would be 3rd worlders who are exploited for cheap labor. So it's easy for us to say capitalism isn't all that bad
>inb4 I get called a communist nigger
I'm not I'm just pointing shit out

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>>39573803
Oh there's a cure alright.

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>>39573658
Argentina's problems aren't cause be freer markets. Argentina has been shit up by left-wing populism for over half a century.

>>39573814
Is there?
>tfw other intelligent lifeforms are often equally if not more cruel
>consciousness is arguably the only thing that gives the universe any kind of value

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>>39573811
You're not allowed to tell the truth on /pol/chan. Only right wing propaganda. Ignore the fact that capitalism is bad for the majority of the planet toil beneath its heel, ignore the damage it's done to the environment, ignore the fact that, hilariously, unbridled capitalism nukes entire economies. Ignore all that. Shill for the right! Shill, baby, shill!

>>39573396
globalism is not inherent to capitalism
corruption is not inherent to capitalism

nice try tho

>>39573870
>I'm the only thing that has value because I'm me! How I define me makes it so no other creature is anything like me (although this is disproven by reality)!
Amazing argument! Well stated.

So what would happen if everyone just suddenly realized they didn't need really all the shit they think they do? Like all the giant houses and cars and short lived pleasures that never really fill the void in hindsight, only gained at that, by working their lives away.

Wouldn't the world economy completely implode and send near everyone into poverty and strife? Honestly I imagine it would be worse than the slow death the world is dying now.

>>39573892
So you are saying a universe without consciousness would have value? How so? Nothing is around to even comprehend what value is.

>>39573906
A universe without humans is immediately of greater value as is a body free of disease.

>>39573880
And corruption and fascism aren't inherent to communism but people still disregard it.
Deal with it.

>>39573957
Communism isn't the opposite of capitalism. By-ee!

>>39573936
Yes but even other lifeforms are often times just as cruel as humans. Humans are a product of this universe why do you think there aren't other lifeforms just as cruel? Also consciousness can exist in other lifeforms but it seems cruelty is present in nearly any system where consciousness can be said to exist so therefore cruelty and misery is a part of existence and can never be cured. And to say that all life should be wiped out is to essentially say a universe with nothing around to experience anything is valuable when it isn't.

>>39573967
Didn't even imply that it was, anon. Just saying your defense of capitalism is the same people give to communism but everyone still hates it and says it's no good.
Lurn 2 reed.

Responsible for 80% of the world's problems and 100% of the huge increases in standards of living since the dark ages.

Perfection is not for this earth. To date there has been no form of societal organization developed that has done more for more people than the system of free markets.

>>39573396
>for like 80%
god liberals tilt me

fuck off u retard

>>39573980
Nothing is as bad as humans. Nothing.

>>39573936
Fedora-flaunting edgelord detected.

>>39574012
That's a bold and pretty arrogant thing to say.

>>39573996
It's true that standards of living have improved, but was it intentional? Your life will never be a fraction as great as the life of a rich man.

>>39574026
Fuck off, cancer.

>>39574027
I'd say Earth's record proves it correct. Only two species have ever caused a mass extinction event: Humans and Cyanobacteria and at least Cyanobacteria are useful.

>>39573880

Looks like someone needs to read marx

>>39574012
And nothing is as good. Nothing.

>>39574027
Since when was the last time a wild animal species raped the Earth for fuels that it grossly consumes with horrible efficiency? When has any species in nature banded together to extinct another species out of hatred? Or are you talking about aliens and shit, because save that for another thread.

>>39573811
>>inb4 I get called a communist nigger
There's nothing intrinsically wrong with communism, it's just been shown to never work well for the common-man time and time again. And yes, you're right with the rest of your post, I admit to having a very base-level education on the matter. Some additional reading for me cleared it up.

>>39574056
>I'd say Earth's record proves it correct.
>Earth is the only planet in the universe
Okay anon, flawless logic here.

>>39574089
>Or are you talking about aliens and shit,
Earth has just as much capacity to produce a species distinct from humans but still just as deadly or even worse. Hell if one fucking thing would have changed in our evolution it would be a distinct species from humans and it could have had all the same flaws we had still except they are tripeds instead of bipeds.

>>39574031
Whether or not it was intentional is entirely beside the point. We think of the actions of conscious agents in terms of intention. The free market is not a conscious agent. The invisible hand is not acting towards any goal. That's a good thing since there is no conceivable goal that all of humanity, or even a majority, could agree on.

The mechanism of the free market serves to allocate resources efficiently when people act with their own best interests as their goal. It doesn't require people to have "good" intentions or to organize themselves towards any broader design. That's why it has achieved those huge increases in standards of living, life span, health, educational access, etc. Because it has put humanities resources to use effectively without requiring anyone to have any specific intentions.

>>39574081
Rocks. Dirt. Worm shit. Name literally anything. All are better than humans. Even most diseases aren't as bad as humans.

>>39574090
Oh I'm not certain humans are the worst thing in the entire cosmos, but they certainly are the worst thing in this Solar System.

>>39574081
Is this even worth discussing? No one here is gonna kill himself anyways
maybe

>>39574120
>Rocks. Dirt.
Those things aren't conscious and only have any value when a conscious being observes them. You are not understanding the core of the argument. You are just an edgy teenager. The irony is that you want to commit the most untold cruelty imaginable to end the cruelty of humanity. You are poisoned by a darkness in your heart.

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Communism is literally worse than cancer
Hitler should have died sooner
Fascism is stupid
Capitalism is an economic system and is the best that exists, bar none
Shitty countries are almost always socialist or islamic
Western democracy is the superior system
Without it you would be working/being raped/fighting until you died young and in pain
Don't blame society for your problems when you're a pathetic piece of shit

>>39573871
1. Not capitalist 2. Not even true even if it was not capitalist. 3. The alternative is subsistence farming why do you hate the global poor? 4. Don't buy it then

>>39574148

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>>39574120
>Rocks. Dirt. Worm shit. Name literally anything. All are better than humans. Even most diseases aren't as bad as humans.
hurry up and kill yourself ffs

>>39574174
that's an argument against anarchy, islamism, and a lack of economic freedom

>>39573396
fuck off leftypol no one is falling for it

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>>39573396
>tfw you realize people are to blame for like 80% of the world's problems

>>39573579
Actually Africa is shit because they had communism, not because they're niggers.

>>39574174
Reminder that Somalia went to shit because they were ruled for over 20 years by commies.

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You're right, global capitalism is to blame for most of the world's problems. Not "cronyism", not "corporatism", no, capitalism. Full stop.

We need a system ran by the people for the people ASAP. No more wage-slavery to meet the endless demand of capitalists who care about nothing then their own profits. This is literally killing the Earth and consuming everyone, especially in third world countries.

In order for humanity to survive, we must overthrow the capitalist order to wield our own labour for our community, our people, and our world- not for some rich man who has a piece of paper stating that little slices of OUR Earth belongs to him! And this is socialism- by the people, for the people!

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>tfw you realize literally any political or economic system (or combination thereof) works 500% better under white people

>>39574220

>anarchy
>super capitalism

Same thing

Am I the only person who is pretty happy under capitalism? I have a personal computer and internet that's something right?

Persecution of the autists caused most of my problems not capitalism.

>>39574325

go open a church you pious faggot.

>>39574340

this.

>>39573773
American culture in general is degenerate.

>most women are uppity cunts and many of them are obese
>everywhere you go, you're constantly bombarded with advertisements.
>your "culture" consists of strip malls, fast food joints and shitty ghetto culture glorification and a constant desire to shill politics
>most Americans like to speak about politics like they're so enlightened when it's just the same rehashed talking points
>unhealthy obsession with Race
>obsession with working when most Americans surveyed say they dislike their jobs
> lack of community oriented culture. Americans are not too often friendly with each other.
>can't get anywhere without a car.
>colleges are meme factories for spoiled sjws.
>lousy education. Have to share a class in public high school with stupid loudmouths that are there to mess with the teacher instead of learn.
>high murder rates in certain parts of the us.
>drug epidemic.
>Poor infrastructure. Hurricane Katrina had a bad outcome because of a lack of maintenance to levels which most likely stems from not giving a fuck about infrastructure which goes back to poor education (engineering).
>Abusive media that has first amendment rights but likes to abuse it constantly and exploit the general population
>an extreme air of superficiality and a lack of connection in general. Everything in America is short termed and fast paced

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>>39573396
>you only get 50-70 years to live
>have to spend at least 80% of that life slaving away for some other guy for 8-9 hours a day instead of actually getting to enjoy the short time you have on the planet

>>39574430

>go open a church you pious faggot.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

Besides, churches are an archaic institution that controlled entire communities under a strict hierarchy, and it's been like that for a thousand years, along with religion. Join a church, get "hooked", and the priests now control your life. Religion is the opiate of the masses, my dude.

>>39574325
Great idea, anon. Now let's go kill us some competent farmers for being more productive than us.

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>>39574148
This is the dumbest post in the entire thread.

>>39574439

I honestly can't disagree with any of this except maybe the college one.

actually the main problem is sex. imagine we could procreate like frogs desu

That seems kind of short sighted. We could be communist and as long as people with no empathy are gaming the system and pitting people against each other for their personal benefit I doubt the world would be much different.

The problem as I see it goes back to tribalism and the fight for resources and dominance. The struggle for power isn't a game that can be opted out of, and exploiting people and the environment seems necessary to stay competitive.

>>39574439
>Poor infrastructure. Hurricane Katrina had a bad outcome because of a lack of maintenance to levels which most likely stems from not giving a fuck about infrastructure which goes back to poor education (engineering).

This and the college ones are the only two I really disagree with, and the infrastructure one mostly has to do with your reasoning behind which we have poor infrastructure- we have poor infrastructure not because of bad education but because the peple that are supposed to supply us with better infrastructure (and they are very well educated on how to do this) don't actually give enough shits about us to improve anything. Otherwise you're basically spot on.

>>39573396
>>39573505
The obvious solution is to opt for a mixed economy. One that's based on markets but doesn't keep capital so scarce that the benefits of the work flow to those who finance it rather than those who actually do it.

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>>39574148
>Without it you would be working/being raped/fighting until you died young and in pain