Anyone have experience with therapists that was not shit. Went

>>39454908
not really, therapists/psychologists, whatever they call themselves, their whole goal is on making you believe you are diseased so that you keep coming. Some of them won't let you stop having appointments anymore, they'll make excuses like 'anon's suicidal, so he's obliged by the government to keep coming to our appointments'. Their whole goal is tying you to their appointments and making you believe you're crazy. Stop going to them.

>>39455000
then what is someone to do to get help self help is hard

The therapist I went to was a pretty nice guy. He didn't help me or anything but he didn't act judgemental towards all the stupid crap I said.

>>39455063
you get help by yourself.
You either choose to visit a therapist and eat pills everyday or go out and solve your problems. Do you think they'll be caring and affectionate? They're only listening to you because they're paid to do it, at best they can give you basic, crappy advice.

My therapist was an older lady and I found her very easy to talk to. She was almost like a wise and comforting grandma I could just open up to.
What exactly made it a bad experience anon?

>>39455237
Having a mother that chose to go to a therapist and eat pills instead of fixing her behavioral problems. She was abusive and ruined mine and my brother's childhood, crazy people should be thrown in asylums, psychiatry is a joke and anyone who experienced its effects on close people knows it.

>>39455180
People say this about mental illnesses because theu're retarded like you, but no one says ot for schizophrenia. Being bipolar or aspd or clinically depressed is just as out of your control as that shit is, but people treat the latter like they were a choice you made.

yeah, psilocybe cubensis

>>39454908
What made you decide not to go back? I'm debating seeing a therapist since nothing else has worked, but I'd like to know what I'm in for if I go.

>>39455546
>bipolar
my mother was bipolar, bipolars are simply people who rather choose to throw tantrums and abuse others instead of controlling themselves.
>aspd
people who didn't develop social skills or empathy, that can be fixed with an healthy set of relationships in later life, although it is hard to take care of.
>the depression meme
it's funny how depression always settles when people are supposed to feel sad, depression is what you call a person with a miserable life, instead of explaining them that their life sucks, simply tell them they have a life-long, incurable disease.
All terms to keep you on your pills, don't forget that diseased people still have physical control over their bodies, including bipolars.
Schizophrenia is a serious disease, nothing to say about it. Most diseases are simply personality problems, not 'brain deficiencies' or whatever scary words these people want to put in your heads.

>>39455659
Judgmental people calling me crazy and asking way too personal questions for a first visit.

>>39454908
I went to a psychiatrist twice. He was a very nice middle-aged man, looking like a stereotype with his greyish beard.
The second time I was redirected to the hospital where he worked as a therapist.
There were some bullshit group seances, which were like meditations of some sort. I always slept through these. But I also got to talk to the therapist after those, and we talked about different stuff.
Often I sat in his office until the working hours were over, explaining my interests to him. Once we got to talk about memes, and he got very interested, lul.
Soon he gave me a prescription for my meds, and then I moved. But I would like to see him again.

>>39455730
>depression always settles when people are supposed to feel sad
t. Person who gets facts from memes. There are people who have it all that have very serious depression. It is also hereditary.
>(aspd) can be fixed with an healthy set of relationships
0 evidence for this at all, just a meme you're spouting to cya
>bipolars are simply people who rather choose to throw tantrums and abuse others instead of controlling themselves
This is why there is nuerological evidence demonstrating otherwise?

Please don't spout off memes thinking you're smarter than over 100 years of nuerology and psychiatry. You're disgustingly arrogant.

>>39455899
I have hereditary depression, I had it before when my life used to suck. I don't have it anymore because my life vastly increased. Don't blame your highs and downs on diseases.
>y-you're all memes I s-swear
I have all the empirical evidence I need from dealing with diseased people, we should throw them back in asylums and let natural selection take its course on them.
>You're disgustingly arrogant
I guess it's dumb to learn from experience then? What are your thought son pedophiles who molest children? do you also think they're not to blame for their actions? they're ill too.

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>>39456020
Fag

kill ypurself bitch

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<3 Yume Nikki <3

>>39456020
>I have hereditary depression, I had it before when my life used to suck. I don't have it anymore because my life vastly increased. Don't blame your highs and downs on diseases.
Well I have it too and I lived a high quality of life. I had plenty of friends, was successful, and there was no "reason" for me to be depressed. I still was. There are no highs and lows when you have depression and it gets bad, everything is just gray.
>I have all the empirical evidence I need from dealing with diseased people, we should throw them back in asylums and let natural selection take its course on them.
Okay, so you have no empathy as a human being?
>I guess it's dumb to learn from experience then? What are your thought son pedophiles who molest children? do you also think they're not to blame for their actions? they're ill too.
People are responsible for their actions, I never said otherwise, but the feelings (or lack thereof) someone with a mental illness has is out of their control. They have a choice to act on it and should be held accountable if they are lucid. The fact that they ended up getting those feelings for children, or that a psychopath doesn't feel empathy, is not a choice in the slightest however.

>>39456268
note that a bipolar person who does not act on its bipolar tendencies is not called a bipolar person.
note too that a bipolar person who does act on its bipolar tendencies is called a bipolar person.
the only difference is each individuals' choices, some people choose to be horrible people and excuse it of on disease, that's my point. Most diseases out there are simply made up as a way to excuse poor behavior.
do we at least agree on this?

>>39456380
>Most diseases out there are simply made up as a way to excuse poor behavior
I would rephrase ot as "many people with poor behavior attempt to justify it as a mental illness"

>>39456473
bipolarism isn't a disease, it's simply poor behavior. Most diseases were made up along the years to sell you pills, the placebo effect works great for it. I'm out of this thread.

I want to lick madotsuki's belly.

>>39457496
she's a loli

you're not allowed

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after seeing literally dozens of psychologists and psychiatrists, therapists, social workers, forensic specialists and any other kind of faggot you can think of

I have a pair of fucking heroes helping me. My psychiatrist is a lovely lady with over 20 years of experience treating bipolar disorder and schizohprenia who has gotten my bipolar type 1 completely under control. Her treatment has literally saved my life. My psychologist is even more fucking seasoned with like 30-something years experience treating OCD, PTSD and other trauma-related shit. He's specialized in mindfulness and exposure therapy, and over the last two years has enormously helped the intrusive thoughts I have from OCD, allowing me to get a good job, raises, promotions, hold a solid relationship, deal with my paraphilia and all sorts of other shit.

Both of these people are only able to do their job because I'm open with them and communicate if something they're doing isn't working. It took me nearly 10 years to be referred to them, after being handed off from one shrink to another without any therapy, without any proper diagnosis, without any fucking anything. It is fucking difficult to get good mental health care. It's probably the hardest thing I've ever had to do, but it's fucking worth it. I'm not exaggerating when I say it's saved my life.

>>39456538
I never get mad at shit online but you seen like a tremendous turd bagel
Fuck off

>>39457997
Can you tell me a bit more about your treatment?

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>>39458172
Sure dude. I'm not sure how to break it down though, I've been seeing them for nearly three years so there's a lot. Do you want to know more about the medication or the exposure therapy, or something else?

I want to hug Madotsuki and cry with her.

>>39454908
Avoid psychiatrists and therapists that think like psychiatrists. As soon as you give them the power to fix your problems with pills or CBT, they see you as a walking bag of problems.

Therapists can give you basic life advice and be used as a sounding board for ideas you come up with to improve your life. If that's what you want to use them for, make it apparent at the beginning that that's your intention. For me, it helps if I don't have to worry about my sounding board criticizing my plans as too obvious or simple.

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>>39458172
>>39458253
Well fuck it if there's no replies I might as well give some detail for the sake of anyone reading the thread:
>spend a year with the head psychologist for the hospital
>he admits that he doesn't know how to help me but is positive I have OCD, bipolar type 1 and necrophilia
>refers me to this psychologist and psychiatrist
>the psychiatrist immediately puts me on lithium, abilify and wellbutrin
>we tweak it for a few weeks to make sure the side effects are manageable, shit is great, manic episodes completely stop
>the psychologist spends 3 months getting to know me and my history and then we start on exposure therapy
>in that time I've developed a tremor from the lithium so I get put on propranolol to treat it
>propranolol dramatically helps with my physical symptoms of anxiety so it's fucking great
>lose like 50 fucking pounds, skinny as hell and feel great, quit smoking, drinking dramatically less
>exposure therapy is a hellish nightmare that I feared there would be no escape from but I endured, my psychologist helped me every step of the way and after 8 months of shit I would never want to repeat again the intrusive thoughts are actually manageable
>I can do public speaking, I can handle my job as a manager, I can be around attractive women in public, I can have a healthy relationship
>nearly three years later and I am going back to exposure therapy to address some other things that will help with my chronic nightmares and horrific guilt and sexual dysfunction

It's worth it bros. It's fucking worth it. Get an experienced (male) psychologist and commit to it. Actually communicate with mental health professionals and they will help you, I swear to God.

>>39458253
I'm curious about both, actually, if you don't mind

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>>39458565
I don't mind at all bud but I think I covered it all in >>39458561

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>>39458561
>and necrophilia
That's pretty cool, although not my cup of tea. What draws you to it?

>>39458624
Yeah. I was a bit late on the reply, but I'm glad you decided to share. It's very comforting to know you managed to sort things out
I should really visit a doctor

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>>39458628
I've always been drawn to it man, like a straight man is drawn to tits. I can describe the features about the dead that I'm attracted to but the meat and bones of it is that I have an irrational paraphilia that cannot be fully rationalized, no matter how much I want to go on about how wonderful it is that the dead bring people together or how incredible it is to have a lover that can't hurt or judge you or how beautiful decomposition is and so on an so forth.

>>39458684
ugh I replied two nanoseconds later than you

no matter what you're suffering from, if you feel you can't solve it yourself, please see a doctor. an experienced, licensed doctor. it's worth it dude.

>>39458702
Yeah, I've been to the doctor before and I really enjoyed it but then my bike was stolen and I got even worse and stopped going because it was so far away

It's been a couple of years since then and I'm getting worse again, but I fear the actual act of going to a doctor

I think about it every day, though

>>39454908
Therapy only works for those who can easily talk to others and let themselves be vulnerable. I've never done that, not even with family. Just doesn't work for some people

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>>39458764
what's preventing you from taking a bus or a train or an uber or any other form of public transit?

>>39458767
you're right, people can't help you if you can't communicate with them. I've heard of therapists that make house calls but if you can't talk to them there's no use. I wish there were a better solution.

In an ideal world, how do you think you could get help?

>>39458857
After my bike was stolen I kind of stopped talking to people, it all seemed impossible
I have since moved and got a new bike, though, but still have too much anxiety to make the plunge again
I'll figure it out sooner than later

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>>39458685
So the therapy helped you with only neurotic stuff like OCD and not necrophilia? Did you have to hide that and pretend you got cured entirely or the doctors were accepting enough to let you go?
>but the meat and bones of it is that I have an irrational paraphilia that cannot be fully rationalized
Can definitely relate to, man.
>I can describe the features about the dead that I'm attracted to
Please do, especially about
>how wonderful it is that the dead bring people together
beause I'm not sure I fully understand. Also, about the decomposition, isn't it built into our organism to find that repulsive, like the smell of rotting meat forcing a gag reflex? Or is that completely unrelated to that aspect of your attraction?

>>39458916
Human culture celebrates the dead and forms around them

>>39458906
I hope you do bud, it sounds like you have it in you.

>>39458916
>So the therapy helped you with only neurotic stuff like OCD and not necrophilia?
The exposure therapy was for treating the intrusive thoughts and compulsions I have from OCD. They are related to the necrophilia but distinct, in that they are not sexual, they are harmful, they threaten other people and they needed to be completely stopped. My paraphilia, my sexuality, is something inherent to me and cannot be changed. I have controlled the intrusive thoughts about killing people to get their bodies to fuck them. I have not rid myself of the desire to make love to corpses. Your sexuality can't really be changed, even if you put in that much effort.
>Did you have to hide that and pretend you got cured entirely or the doctors were accepting enough to let you go?
I have been completely open with this psychologist, much to my fucking relief. He's never given me shit or seemed horrified, he's heard worse and he's been extremely supportive. He told me the first time I admitted to being attracted to the dead that he didn't know if he could help but that he would do everything he could to try, and that he wouldn't do anything to hold it against me. He hasn't, in nearly three years.

I'm splitting this into two posts because my rambling about corpses is too long for a single post.

>>39454908
Story? I've been to 7 so I know the struggle of bouncing from T to T. I could tell you mine.

>>39458767
This. You must be open and genuine for it to work. Also having the right person is important. I'm a sensie and still got no results.

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>>39459074
>>39458916

>Please do, especially about
I love decomposition insanely, unbelievably attractive. The most attractive thing. The core of my paraphilia. I need to see a human body decomposing to genuinely find something attractive. Slipping skin is extremely attractive because of how delicate and fragile it is. Like thin spun glass or an open wound. Blisters are pretty much in the same category. Livor mortis is like... like taking the most beautiful, palest woman in the world and having the most skilled painter in the world decorating her skin with an original design. Every body is different, every combination of livor mortis is different. The way that a dead body bloats, for every corpse, is different. The infestation of maggots and other insects is unique to that body. The way that maggots harmlessly move in such a gentle way is extremely erotic in a way that I can't really describe properly. The liquefaction of solid flesh is so fucking lewd, thinking of solid flesh becoming softer and softer until it's nothing at all, is more than I can stand. The smell is incomparable. I have dreams about the smell of decomposition, where I'm in rooms full of corpses or in a pile of them and it's surrounding me and it's all I can smell or taste or sense and (at the risk of being repetitive) it's just fucking incredible. I have an irrational love for the dead. I hope this is adequate.
>how wonderful it is that the dead bring people together
>beause I'm not sure I fully understand.
Some of my earliest memories are of being at funerals with all of my family together, hugging each other, respectfully speaking about people who they have loved and lost.
> isn't it built into our organism to find that repulsive, like the smell of rotting meat forcing a gag reflex? Or is that completely unrelated to that aspect of your attraction?
Maybe it's because I have a poor sense of smell, maybe it's because of the paraphilia, but I've never been repulsed by the dead.

>>39459170
hey do you have a steam profile i can add you on to talk in private

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>>39459269
nope but if you want to post your discord I'd be happy to chat

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>>39454908
>>39455000
https://vocaroo.com/i/s04FZgmxPEgT

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>>39459170
>Livor mortis is like... like taking the most beautiful, palest woman in the world and having the most skilled painter in the world decorating her skin with an original design
I appreciate the passion you put in those words, spoken like a true connoisseur of his field.
>Maybe it's because I have a poor sense of smell, maybe it's because of the paraphilia, but I've never been repulsed by the dead.
This is really interesting, even from a physiological point of view. A bit tough for me to imagine, but I guess its a habit. Are you attracted to rotting corpses exclusively or are you willing to make compromises? Skeletons or dried mummies, what about them? Or severed, individual organs? Also what about post-death bowel movements? Although assume the latter is getting into coprophilia territory.

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>>39459441
Thank you dude.
I'm exclusively attracted to rotting corpses. Skeletons are aesthetic and comforting because they're dead but they're not sexual. Mummies are too dry and their decomposition was halted so they're not sexual or comforting, just visually appealing. Individual body parts, if they're rotting, are almost as erotic as a whole corpse. It's all about the decomposition. Aspects of death like post-mortem bowel movements are not lewd at all and I'd clean any body that I'd find if it had voided itself. I'm not attracted to scat even remotely.

sage for going wildly off-topic

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>>39459482
Thanks man, really just wanted to hear more about the intricacies of such an attraction because I felt a degree of kinship reading your story and because of how wildly different it is compared being a mere lolifag, was really insightful.
Stay strong, bro.

I went to speech therapy for a few years because I sounded like a retard when I'd try to pronounce anything with an r in it and ever since then I've been really self conscious when I hear my voice

>>39459709
Thanks bro. I went to group therapy with a lot of other sex offenders for a year or two and have always felt some kinship with them since too. lolifags and pedos have it the hardest, I really hope that no matter what you're dealing with that everything works out for you.

>>39454908
>mhm I see
>takes note
>but how does that make you feel?

Bump so that last meme comment isn't the end to a good thread

therapists are mind jews and never work. anyone that says they work have been deluded by the therapist into thinking inferiorly