The way the current system is set up, if you're born poor

Game of luck. What's the alternative?

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>>39454819
>spend your entire life trying to do anything of value.
Do I even need to say it?

>>39454849
I don't know. I've been looking, but it looks like only death or total societal collapse. Hoping for the latter soon enough that I can enjoy it.

>>39454896
I don't think it will be very enjoyable to starve and die.

>>39454922
Who said I would? I may not be rich, but I have other qualifications.

>>39454896
Nah. Societal collapse isn't on my list of things to enjoy. I've no problem with the system. Most people go through life without doing anything of value and lead good lives. Value is subjective.

>>39454943
Common sense. You live in the US, right?

>>39454958
Facebook detected.

>>39454961
Yeah, why? If anything, most people would die from violence in a societal collapse here.

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>tfw that dog lives better than you will ever live

>kike destroying the country whines about the relatively benign spoiled brat

Oh that's rich

>>39454978
You wouldn't be one of the people who die?

>>39454978
Food would run out quite fast I imagine. What are you going to do?

Paris Hilton squandering her money is good for everyone else and the rest of the economy

>>39455076
I'd go to the wilds immediately.

>>39455094
I'm a bit overweight anyway. And even in a place where the wild is unhealthy like this, I wouldn't die.

>>39455023
Yep. And that needs to stop. By force.

>>39455121
Shut up, cultist.

>>39455076
>>39455094
Leftcucks are suicidal psychos of course they want to die

>>39454819
Before we can any discussion on the matter you need to provide an alternative to the current rotten way our society works.

>>39455129
You know your prehistoric ancestors actually had to struggle to survive, and they lived an enviroment with a lot more food available plus they had lifetimes of experience.

>>39455129
Marxism is the real cult

Only a drooling retard thinks there's anything wrong with the wealthy spending money, which inevitably goes towards the wages of the people they hire

Now kys and rid the world of your stupidity and petty jealousy

>>39455144
I want you to die. And die you will. Crapitalism is inherently self-destructive.

>>39455173
Yeah they also were able to get the fuck away from humans because there weren't 8 fucking billion of them fucking up every single wild place. Different times, friend.

>>39455204
>Yeah they also were able to get the fuck away from humans because there weren't 8 fucking billion of them fucking up every single wild place
>Go into the woods
>Get eaten and killed
>Die from a minor injury
Wooo boi

>>39455204
Lol

How many times does communism have to fail for you idiots to get embarrassed?

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>>39455191
No, that would be capitalism. Every belief of capitalism is fantasy and defies reality. You just keep on waiting for that wealth to trickle down while America experiences dual epidemics of homelessness and empty houses.

>Only a drooling retard thinks there's anything wrong with the wealthy spending money
The wealthy should EXIST. They serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever. They're a parasite class.

>>39455239
You mean how much capitalist propaganda has to be spread? Answer: an infinite amount. I don't listen to lies.

>>39455204
That's what I am saying. It wouldn't be possible to survive after the collapse if you were just going to scavenge. You would need a garden setup.

>>39455253
*Shouldn't

>>39455239
Here's a great example of socialism "not working":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le86H7Xfjrc&t=332s

>>39455263
What makes you think the population won't drop? I'm saying it's not possible NOW. It would be then.

>>39455253
There is the whole incensive to work though. The idea that they could become wealthy, motivates a lot of people.

>>39455302
The environment is still mostly barren. It is not going to change just like that. It will take decades for it to become capable of sustaining humans.

>>39455121
This is only true in the myopic understanding that "the economy" is the movement of paper, which is, admittedly, the same myopic understanding under which the US is currently near full employment. In reality, the time and resources used to build a doggy mansion could've been better spent on basically anything else, and the only disagreement is "but muh free market ensures optimal distribution."

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>>39455253
I remember when I was a communist. Being 14 sure was hard work. Seize the means of production bro.

>>39455253
It's funny because that fat racist ching chong would have starved to death if Mao was still around

Sometimes I wish communism wasn't such a failure so Mao could have starved a few hundred million more Chinese

>>39455313
>Hehe listen up goyim! You can be wealthy enough to destroy everything too one day!
Yeah, I guess it's not important that your entire carrot is a lie, since capitalism is LITERALLY a system that requires massive numbers of poor and can only tolerate a microscopic number of rich. Any system built on lies will destroy itself.

>>39455337
>The environment is still mostly barren
I still know what to find. The biggest challenge is getting far enough away from the filthy humans.

>>39455544
Capitalists literally can't grasp the concept of an externality.

>>39455572
I'm gonna stop you right there, facebook. I'm not a communist. So your whole argument is shadowboxing. You, however, ARE still retarded.

>>39455578
>He rayciss!
>Fucking ching chong
Lol white men.

>>39455544
Money isnt real. By hiring people Hilton is creating actual demand for real world goods and services. The carpenter who built that dog house got paid and so did all the workers

>>39454819
that thing probably barely cost a thousand dollars calm down

>>39454819
Maybe one way to avoid that is to proscribe legacy, so everyone starts off at the same level at majority, and then we let a true meritocracy happend

>>39455616
Yes, moron, but the materials ARE fucking real. And while the reach eat the world, society and the environment are getting destroyed.

>>39455632
Absolutely should happen, but it never will.

>>39455608
Well capitalism is not an economic policy, it is an economic practice. The idea that people should be able to freely make trades with each other is the policy. It isn't perfect, but it gives people some amount of sovereignty that they couldn't have under communism.

>>39455608
I wasn't racist until I saw people like that fatass shitting on whites for no reason

Fuck him and fuck whatever shit colored race you are

>>39455616
Demand for goods and services exists, but it gets held back by the ludicrous distribution of money. Both unemployment and doggy mansions are consequences of us living in a monetary system; your broken window fallacy doesn't change that. But if you think money isn't real, I'd be happy to open a PO Box to which you can send all of yours.

>>39455632
Protip: Capitalists are against a 100% inheritance tax (hell, they're against even the THOUGHT of any inheritance tax), because they fucking know damn well their system is rigged as fuck and they DO NOT WANT A MERITOCRACY. Capitalism rewards sociopaths. Meritocracies don't. A meritocracy requires you to be actually useful to society, which the rich aren't and have never been.

>>39455655
No, it's a fucking religion.

>>39455667
Kill yourself, whitey.

>>39455647
You're an idiot if you think luxury goods have any affect whatsoever on resources or the economy

The real problem in America is outsourcing and mass immigration, not a fucking doghouse

>>39455691
Why would if be better to transfer all the power to the state? Instead of a couple of hundred oligarchs, you would have a couple of hundred party members running the show. Look at what happened in China.

you have no choice but to play societies game, think about that.

>>39455655
>giving people sovereignty
That's what we shouldn t do, see how badly they manage it. 1% of the population has got 50% of the world's properties.

>>39455684
money isn't real, it's created out of nothing by the banking system. If anything spending less is bad for the economy and creates a deflationary spiral see: Great Depression

>>39455691
That's the racial tolerance that made me racist against you faggots

It's funny how being called evil white devil enough times makes you resentful

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>>39454819
Do these retards think people actually pay tax at levels they believe to be unfair? It has literally never happened and it shouldn't because Paris Hilton has no obligation to fund you in anyway shape or form.

She does however have the obligation to contribute equally to society proportional to everyone else and it's to her best interest to as to keep the system running in a way that has allowed her success.

Historical data clearly shows that increasing the tax rate on the rich leads to DECREASES in tax revenue, they A: either stop investments that would otherwise have lead to tax revenue and/ or shift their investments in whatever way possible to avoid the tax hike.

>>39455739
People need sovereignty. I don't want to live under some kind of normie dictatorship.

>>39455701
>economy
See? Like I said, capitalism is a religion. I know you're not aware of this, but resources don't come from any economy. They come from the planet.

>>39455734
Society has no choice but to die. Think about it.

>>39455739
It's less than that. 8 people have as much wealth as the lower 50% of the population of Earth.

>>39455781
Shut up. Nobody cares about you. Go fuck off back to /pol/ and circlejerk.

>>39455793
I have no obligation to fund the rich with the death of my planet.

Man, any time you call out capitalism for its bullshit, all the cultists come running like you just insulted jesus on facebook.

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>>39454819
>Especially when insufferable shitbricks who are born rich act entitled as fuck while they ruin every aspect of society.

Yea, but why bitch about it?

God doesn't exist so he can't save you. The lesson of the day is that you gotta stop being a bitch and start taking advantage of people too.

Tis the rule of life. You will never seen one successful person who doesn't pathologically take advantage of people in his life. even God does it. How else would he create so much suffering. It's to get people to believe in his petty bullshit since they're all alone and look to him.

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>Muh capitalism is so hard and unfair
>SO MUCH WORK!

Yeah I guess it is for you Brainlets. You only have to come up with some retarded ass idea and you'll be a billionaire overnight.

>>39455828
>Society has no choice but to die. Think about it.
take your meds please.

My view is capitalism is disgusting and unfair, but real life/nature is disgusting and unfair so it is the best way. Trying to make life "fair" will never work.

>>39455828

>Go fuck off back to /pol/

Nah you can fuck off back to r/communism instead

>Le economy is a cult

Or it's just how society works and your retarded attempts to change that have always failed

>>39455852
communism is far more disgusting and unfair than capitalism

>Trump wants to cut taxes for everyone
>FUCK THE RICH

>>39455834
>Paris Hilton is rich because she's such a fucking genius
Nice picture. Where can I buy a fedora like that?

>>39455842
A society based on unsustainable principles is merely suicidal.

>>39455852
So your argument is the naturalistic fallacy. And they say capitalists are smart.

>>39455918
Nice job proving you literally don't understand economics.

>>39455922
No he doesn't.

>>39455167
socialism
class war now eat the rich reeeeee

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>>39454819
>Especially when insufferable shitbricks who are born rich act entitled as fuck while they ruin every aspect of society.
How does a whore giving her dogs a stupid house affect society in any way whatsoever?
Why struggle at all? You will always suffer more than what you will enjoy out of life, so just kill yourself and be done with it you underaged pseudo philosopher

>>39455958
Communism is far too dumb to be considered economics by anyone besides Marxist cultists

>>39455992
>Still claiming to be le superior economics maymay
>Still literally doesn't understand economic theory
Lol capitalists in a nutshell. I bet you think food comes from a store too.

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>>39455918
It's the same shit you fucking retard.
The same smart people that thrive in Capitalism will also thrive in Communism.

The same retarded and poor people under Capitalism will also be retarded and poor under Communism.

>>39455931
>Who was Conrad Nicholson Hilton

>>39455828
classic post-marxist strawman,

You're the poor little victim vs the oppressor. That is in no way the case, the boogieman you prescribe as the "Rich" has no relevant statistical variables beyond IQ and the establishment of a functional family.

Your have the obligation to pay your way as everyone else does, notice how people who leech the welfare system are systematically hated by every level of social status, because if you're not contributing, you're stealing.

If you don't like our rules, then fuck off to africa and see how far lawlessness gets you.

>>39454819
That's cute
I love Paris Hilton. Would lick her entirely.

Keep fightan the rich, nigga. They are your enemies lol

>>39456033
>Who was Conrad Nicholson Hilton
Is that Paris Hilton's birth name? What a weird name for a girl.

>The same smart people that thrive in Capitalism will also thrive in Communism.
But smart people DON'T thrive in capitalism. Not the majority of them. And the richest and most powerful are always motherfucking retards.

Like I said, if capitalists truly believe in meritocracy, they'd support a 100% inheritance tax, yet none of you ever do. It's weird. It's like you want to be privileged, while claiming you worked for your literal privilege, which makes absolutely no sense.

>>39456043
You want to hear a really terrible fucking strawman?

>You hate the rich
>That means you're a marxist!

>>39456087
>And the richest and most powerful are always motherfucking retards.
If they're so retarded and you're so smart why aren't you a billionare then

>>39456130
What part of this are you not fucking grasping? Capitalism is not meritocratic. It doesn't reward intelligence. It rewards two things only: Luck and sociopathy.

>>39456087
I called you a marxist because that's what you are if you believe the falsity that the Rich are identifiable group. Those who are in the top income bracket almost always started outside of it and leave it before they retire. Likewise for the poor.

To hate the rich, is to hate moderate relative success and to confirm your position as a perpetual loser.

>>39456151
>Luck
If you think billionare families just stumbled upon fortune overnight you're absolutely retarded, go read about their history and you'll realize it always starts with some guy with big balls and lots of will.

>Sociopathy
I can agree on this, but name one economic system that doesn't

>>39456151
You're right but you're also wrong. A lot of CEOs and big wigs are much more sociable and charismatic than they are intelligent, and there are many intelligent people who are not wealthy. However, most billionaires and incredibly rich people also have high IQ.

>>39455719
That s probably not a good option either. The very fundment of capitlism is that it works. It makes the world turn round as it does now. Most other ideas (such as communism, or anarchism) won t work as well, because they lies on what you expect people to do, but as the multicultural and worldwide opened societies we live in today, you can t determine what billions and billons of people are doing. Things that might work at local levels will never be able to be applied to nation-wise levels. We clearly need either somebody who can direct everyone in a good way, or we need less people on earth.

>>39455800
giving sovereignty to people is like giving a handgun to a child. It ll end up in abd way because the people will do shit with it.
We can tell everyone to just do as they want, or else we just go nowhere. We need people to make decisions, to act as a whole, and sovereignty prevents it.

>>39455832
>>39455834
So for you a society that rewards retards and sociopaths is a good and functionning one ?

>>39455958
>A society based on unsustainable principles is merely suicidal.
No. It ll work as long as people has hope. And the governements have been pretty good at giving people hope for the last decades. There is no reason it ll suddenly break.

>>39455975
>You will always suffer more than what you will enjoy out of life
The goal is to change that. And it s possible (or at least i belive) but it won t be done in one day that s for sure, and it ll probably never be done anyday. But i still have a little hope.

>>39456130
People become rich by a mix of intelligence, luck, by taking risks and overally "winning" at the game of life. I don t see no problem with that. Now what is wrong is that the children can inherit of their families wealth, and that is retarded.
See >>39456151
Capitalism isn t about meritocracy, it makes you think that if you play it well enough you can be a "winner", but at the end of the day, hard work isn t as much rewarded as it should

>>39456217
>Now what is wrong is that the children can inherit of their families wealth, and that is retarded.
Why?

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>>39456087
>But smart people DON'T thrive in capitalism.

My Patreon and commissions make me thousands every month and all I do is draw gay furry art.

>But smart people DON'T thrive in capitalism. Not the majority of them.

Yeah seems like they're retards then. Smart and creative people always thrive under Capitalism.

>>39456257
Drawing gay furry porn means you're intelligent?

>>39456233
because they don t have to work by themselves. You break the meritocracy rule, as there is people that will already be on the top of the ladder at the same time as some will be at the bottom, even tho they didn t do shit.
Imagine it like a race where there are kids that starts at 300 feets from the end, whereas all other have to run 5 miles. You woudln t find that normal, would you ?

>>39456303
>too many people in the world faggot
>too many ants
>too many dogs
>too many birds
life is unfair, deal with it

>>39456257
>thousands a month
check mr 5 figgies here out
also are you implying that drawing degenerate porn is a sign of intelligence?

>don't be a brainlet
>get rich

"woaaah capitalism sucks dude I should be rich for getting an easy STEM degree go communism" - brainlet

>>39454895

Kek

oreeeeginality

>>39455167
A single-party Marxist-Leninist state a la Yugoslavia or the Soviet Union.

>>39455834
>pot shitting on the kettle for its own lack of notability
that's you

>>39456257
>Smart and creative people always thrive under Capitalism.
sorry what ?
How many writers and philosophers from the past centuries have been saying that socialism is better than capitalism ?
Capitalism is a good idea, but it degrades itself with time, as you let too much power in only a few hands. Humans are fucked up creature, like everyone else. You can t let a few decide. you can t either let everyone decide or it ll give nothing.
Every system is fucked in some twisted way

>>39456303
>Imagine it like a race where there are kids that starts at 300 feets from the end, whereas all other have to run 5 miles. You woudln t find that normal, would you ?
That's a silly analogy because a race is designed to be fair, life isn't. If i'm not a mouthbreather like 90% of the population, do smart investments and make a fortune out of hard work who's gonna keep me from wanting to share this wealth i've created with my family, the ones i want to see and make happy?
This is the reason why "inheritance tax" is a stupid concept and will never take off, if I make money and i want to share it with MY family it's MY own business and nobody else's, and you are NO ONE to say otherwise.

If anything, it's more of an issue about teaching kids to be aware of the advantage they've been given and be thankful for that, but that's on the parents and not the concept of inheritance.

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>>39456283
I take advantage of the system while you vent your marxist rage on an imageboards for losers. Clearly I'm a few steps above you on the intelligence ladder.

>>39456355
Try 20k a month sweetie.

>>39456398
I don't know how godly your intelligence is, probably rivals Einstein's, but I wouldn't say I'm unintelligent for not wanting to draw gay furry porn. It just means I unfortunately somehow still have some values left, which is the real killer in capitalism.

>>39456303
Even at the lowest income group of practically any western country, you're STILL in the top 10% of wealth relative to the rest of the world.

What makes you think that you deserve any of it? why aren't you sending everything you own to india and africa? you marxists only care about yourselves. A fucking revolting group of privileged assholes who reject their inherent responsibilities while protesting for more rights at the cost of others.

I know i'm privileged and i have a responsibility to maintain the absolute paradise that western civilization provides. Never in human history have we pulled so many people out of abject poverty than with the establishment of the free market and free society.

>>39455834
Whenever someone starts their own business there is always some faggots trying to tell them to get a nice corporation job. Something about America makes people want to bend over and take corporate dick

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>>39456424
>tfw too morally superior to succeed

>>39456205
>I can agree on this, but name one economic system that doesn't
Literally communism for one. Amazing irony. But I suppose it's only irony if you can read, which no capitalist can.

>>39456210
Most wealth is now inherited. Most of that wealth was gained by doing evil shit.

>>39456217
>It makes the world turn round as it does now.
The world is dying. Western society is collapsing and humans are causing a mass extinction event. This is not a good thing.

>It ll work as long as people has hope.
Your fantasy won't stop the death of your society. When capitalism runs out of resources, it dies. Period. And it will run out of social capital long before that.

>And the governements have been pretty good at giving people hope for the last decades.
This is a blatant lie. People are ready to eat the rich globally again. One spark and this bitch goes off.

>>39456257
Proving my point. I mean fuck, capitalism even rewards furfaggotry, something which would be punishable by death in any sane society.

>>39456339
Then cut the capitalism is a meritocracy bullshit and start being honest, you evil, retarded faggot.

>>39456452
It's the metric fuckton of propaganda people have dropped on their chest from birth.

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>>39456424
t. I'm a talentless retard but I'll just masquerade it by pretending I'm on the moral high horse.

Oh yeah you're right we should just 100% tax the rich, it'll fix everything and you will be truly given a chance to shine Comrade.

>>39456507
>>39456458
So just because I have 100 IQ means I don't get to be rich? Fuck you capitalist scum.

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TO BE FAIR THOUGHHHH,......
paris Hilton has earned that money FAIR AND SQUARE
therefore she has the right to spend it as she wants
so fuck off you unemployed socialist loser kek....

>>39456502
>In communism, only good people succeed
You don't seriously think this do you

>>39456539
Yes being born rich sure is earning that wealth. Man, I wish I'd had to opportunity to "earn" income like this. Ever notice how capitalists have to totally pervert the definitions of words to "win" arguments?:

>>39456571
I'm not a communist and communism isn't the opposite of capitalism. Holy shit the propaganda is cancer in this modern shithole.

>>39454819
The solution is for all kids to be taken from their homes to be raised by the state. The family can no longer be trusted to be the building block of society, so sustaining this charade of a system is pointless. Kids should all be raised by state financed institutions where they will all be offered the same possibilities at education, fitness, etc. At the age of 18 all kids will be left to their luck. Since everybody was raised with the same wealth, only those who are truly smart, capable and hard working will be the ones to reach high class status. Those who become low class neets or homeless are therefore the scum of society that needs to be castrated in the name of progress.

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>>39456502
>something which would be punishable by death in any sane society.

The funny thing is you commies are on the same level of edgy cringe as some furries. You probably don't even realize it though.

>>39456585
You specifically mentioned "literally communism" as an example of a system that doesn't reward sociopathy, even though the bolsheviks were some of the most corrupt and violent fuckers to ever walk soviet russia

It's like talking to a fucking goldfish, jesus

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>>39456502
Nobody likes a sore-loser. You thought you r9k would be the perfect target to spread you ideological cancer, turn the losers against the winners.

But see, we are already losers at the post-marxist game you're inviting us to, your cancerous ideology created this place despite you.

Now fuck off back to le'ddit.

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>people bitching about rich people having money are the ones buying their goods/services

>>39456591
Right about the family unit, wrong about the separation to classes. Let's rid ourselves of having the race in the first place.

Let's finally accept that eugenics was the right way all along, that so-called ethics cause more suffering to the ones they're supposed to help in the first place and simply have a society where autists would no longer have to lament their social incompetence, ugly people would no longer cry looking at the mirror, stupid people would no longer feel frustration despite their efforts at studies, because none of them would have to exist anymore at all. No more lives born to suffer.

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>>39456339
>>39456397
>>39456442

So here is your end game ? You resignate yourself to say that life sucks and is unfair ?
Really ? Why not try to make it a more fair place ? There is plenty possibilities to make every life more equal. I'd rather live like shit with everyone on the same level as me, that live in a better place knowing that all other people live even more like shit.

I belive that one way of resolving the problem is to stop making babies, and to abandon the consummerism system.
Then agin it s another utopia that will never work either.
At the end of the day you guys are right, but i can t defend the idea that your birth decide of your whole life. I truely think we could do way better (but we never will).

>>39456591
This would be an idea, but then again it will fuck up the day we try it.

>>39456618
Also source pls, for more personal reasons

>>39456591
Honestly, the only solution to this fucking hell is going to come with a natural crash resulting from this unsustainable system. Once the population gets high enough / people get angry enough, everything will implode simultaneously, war, famine, economic strife, etc. will spread like wildfire and the population will implode. It's literally the only possible outcome because nobody with any power is working for anything resembling a non-shit outcome.

>>39456621
That's because, as I said, you're an idiot who knows nothing about the shit you're talking about, as usual. Marxism is only communism in the most tenuous of senses and everyone who knows a damned thing about socialism knows this. Ever wonder why everyone says "that wasn't true communism"? Capitalists are literal retards who can't suck enough propaganda semen from big brother's dick so you just think it's a meme. Thing is, real communism is not hierarchical. But Marxism IS - though the inention, based in fantasy, is that people will eventually give it up. Real communism doesn't act like Marxism. There are communist communes in America right now that are doing fine. Although, now that you mention it, no, communism isn't really meritocratic because it makes sure everyone has what they need.

>>39456666
>I have a monopoly on all resources and services
>Therefore you're a hypocrite if you live in a building or eat food
Wow really gets that fucking noggin joggin.

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>>39456621
Don't you know? The Bolsheviks and all other commies just handed out free love and peace vacations. Pure Socialism!

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>>39456585
I'm not rich, infact far from it.. been a NEET 7 years now
but if I was doing really well in life and wanted to "make" my daughter do "well" in life then that is my choice, and that is what I've decided... it might not last forever and for generations but at least for my daughter, for what I wished for..
tell me how that is unfair? it is what I have paid for?
you are in-illogical and I feel sorry for you
you won't do well in this world, I can tell

>>39456679
Individuals can't be trusted to effectively replace natural selection. If eugenics becomes a thing we'll end up as a species of dumb chads and stacies that all they do is fuck all day. Besides, mutations and variety are healthy for the gene pool so we need people to keep on having kids the good ol way to diversify our genes.

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>>39456757
this, right fukking here
people don't seem to understand how money works lol

>>39456692
>I'd rather live like shit with everyone on the same level as me
That's a defeatist mindset you need to drop

>At the end of the day you guys are right, but i can t defend the idea that your birth decide of your whole life
It doesn't, your defeatist mindset does it for you. I was born into a baker family, my father and mother both ran the bakery for 12+ hours every day and still we struggled at times, i studied electronics, got into the telecommunications sector and now have enough money to fund both my parent's retirement (divorced) and a cozy apartment for myself in an upper middle class neighbourhood.

This phrase feels stupid because it's such a huge meme, but it's 100% real, only you can pull yourself out of the hole you were thrown in

Do it, and maybe that way your kids won't have to be thrown into it too as they are born

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>>39456257
Pretty funny how I could just look at your Patreon art for free.

>>39454819
Dude she is playing a fucking character. This is great marketing. She got a shit ton of shows and got a ton of attention.

>>39456806
By all means do it. I still get paid by retards anyway lol.

>>39456712
>"that wasn't true communism"
No communism will ever be true communism because communism doesn't understand people, and no amount of naive wishy-washy bullshit you spout will ever make it so

There can be no real communism, and there's nothing short of turboeugenics and/or posthuman singularity you can do to change that, boy

>>39456757
>in life then that is my choice
Then you're anti-meritocratic and should be honest about it instead of lying. Period. Nobody's saying you can't be an asshole. We're just saying that we can call you an asshole if you choose to be one and treat you accordingly.

>>39456767
We're already replacing natural selection with technology. Either way, we need to come up with a way to surpass the genetic problem. Cheap and effective plastic surgery for looks or maybe surrogate bodies through VR, then brain chips \ neuroplasticity manipulation for intelligence and mental illnesses

>>39456800
>you can pull yourself out of the hole you were thrown in
I've seen so much counter exemple man...

>>39456733
This was probably done by capitalists in disguise

>>39456850
And the most ironic thing about this is that fucking libertarians do this more than anyone. Nothing is ever "true capitalism", no matter how capitalistic it is. Corporations aren't capitalism, cronyism isn't capitalism, the gilded age isn't capitalism, etc.

>>39456836
hey, you didn t give me your name yet motherfuka ! Give some source

>>39456852
How is he an asshole? Prioritizing your family over others is the foundation of all society.

>>39456863
Not everyone can or will succeed, it's sad, but it's true.

>>39455793
>National SOCIALISM
>Anarcho CAPITALISM

>>39454819
I make 105k a year in the midwest. Right now I spend more every year on taxes than
>food
>gas
>car payments
>clothing
Why is my tax burden so high? It shouldn't be.

>>39456850
actually there is
the one weakness of communism is price control,
it cant really do it as well as a free market since if taken as a control system all the millions of buyer and sellers in it act as actuators,
so its really just an issue of computing power,
once computers get fast and complex enough to take in millions upon millions of factors and make millions of decisions every second, then price control does become a viable option.

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>>39456898
>it's sad, but it's true.
ughh

>>39456893
No, that's the foundation of your doom.

>>39456898
Actually, that's false. We have every opportunity and technology at our disposal to make the world a paradise. Too many cunts have a vested interest in keeping things shit and since they have all the power, everything stays shit.

>>39456880
No economic system is ever 100% anything, it's all a mish-mash of whatever works best for the specific issue

>>39456923
>>39456923
We're all gonna fucking die anyway.

>>39456911
Because your rich buddies shifted the tax burden onto you, dumbass.

>>39456937
Try telling libertarians that. Not me. I'm not fucking retarded.

>>39456929
>We have every opportunity and technology at our disposal to make the world a paradise

We really don't unless you kill a couple billion people.

>>39456918
Who gets to decide by which factors prices are set?

>>39456898
>not everyone can

No it's not everyone will. Even a retard can get someone to ghostwrite a memoir and shill it for NYT bestseller

>>39456991
the super advance A.I. I suppose.

>>39456974
We do. There is such a thing as birth control.

>>39456852
my point went over your head sadly newfag
when you have children, which I doubt you ever will, you will understand

>>39457001
And who rules over this A.I.?

>>39457021
kek, don't listen to the reddiors/tumblrs here man

>>39456949
>Because your rich buddies shifted the tax burden onto you, dumbass.
Good thing tax reform is going to get through. Gibmedats are going to decrease too :)

>>39457021
No, you're just an insufferable idiot. Your dumbassery is why the rich are bringing back a new gilded age. Because all they have to do is appeal to your rabid self-absorption and they get to siphon up more power. If anything, sociopaths like you should be publicly executed to prove a point. As it is you'll destroy yourselves within about 15-20 years anyway.

>>39457029
I dunno, whoever manages to build it probably.

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>>39457041
>Muh southern strategy
You think I don't want this? The greater the fervor with which you attempt to serve yourselves, the faster you fucking die. White males are the chinese finger trap of demography.

>>39456974
Let's think about it. It's all a game of resources and providing basic necessities like food and shelter. We have enough vertical space and enough food. As for resources for building, we also have enough. With that being said, it all becomes a matter of how much energy we can produce and how efficiently we can provide what has become necessary for life.

With resources from asteroid mining, more efficient power plants and AI automated services that can do in seconds what took us months, it's not inconceivable that every human's basic necessities would be covered with ease.

>>39457056
>sociopaths like you should be publicly executed to prove a point
The irony.
You would have made a good commie dictator some decades ago.

>>39454819
Let me be real here, I have no idea why people are mad at the rich for spending money.

The rich spending their money is a good thing, it's the rich NOT SPENDING THEIR MONEY that is ruining everything.

If every rich person spent like crazy and had ridiculously high living expenses, their savings accounts wouldn't inflate to unimaginable levels, allowing them to live off of interest rate generated by wallstreet investment bankers, stagnating great quantities of wealth into accounts that will never be used, causing artificial inflation due to a decrease of available GDP vs. GDP on the market.

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lol, I rarely reply to brainlets
why would I not let my child have the life I have provided for them? where else would my money go? to help losers like you? get a fucking job already
you're at the bottem of the barrel and we can all see that... how about improving yourself and then maybe your offspring can have a nice life?
but no.. instead you attack people who are doing "better (in your opinion") a bit better for no reason, just jealousy.... so sad

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>>39457015
Still too many people. Good luck trying to enforce birth control on Niggers.

>>39457085
>We have enough
No actually we don't. We're already running out of resources used to make high-tech electronics.

>>39457147
this here was for you loser kek
>>39457056

>>39454849
>What's the alternative?

This. Capitalism sucks, but it's not like there are any alternatives that won't lead us into an Orwellian nightmare. You guys will just have to accept wealth inequality as a fact of life.

But in all fairness, even attending a community college can get you a job that's at least pays better than minimum wage. And if you can't afford tuition, there are more than likely government programs that will help with or even pay all of your tuition fees. This is assuming you live in the U.S., though. No idea about tuition assistance in other countries.

>>39457147
hahahah fucking reckt omfg

>>39457170

Capitalism is like a 5'9 guy on a basketball court complaining about the tall guys having an unfair advantage. You're just expected to deal with it "lol lifes not fair faggot make it work somehow faggot keep practicing"

No other choice tho

>>39457147
What's the point of having children? Is it just another item on a bucket list you have to cross off so you aren't deemed a failure by society? How long are you planning to work? How much of your life are you going to devote to making other people rich?

>>39457170
>>39457236
damn must suck to be poor brainlets, oh well

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>>39457254
you're clearly underage, sorry
I cbf even replying lol......

>>39454819
Maybe if lefties hadn't transformed the world into a godless hell-hole, rich people would be more willing to distribute some of their wealth to the poor.

>>39457268
You can't use proper spelling and grammar, you reply to your own posts >>39457199, you can't answer a single one of my questions, and you expect me to believe you have a daughter?

>>39457170
>no idea about other countries

I can garruntee you that just about ever other country in the world has more generous higher education financial assistance than america.

For example, in Germany, university is free. In Chile, university is free. In Iran, university is free. In France, you guessed it, free.
Like, Australia's system, where the government pays half your fees up front and offers you an interest free loan that you don't have to repay until you earn 50k a year on the other half, that's one of the less generous schemes.

>>39454819
Why don't we all commit mass suicide? Don't you think it'd solve our problems? I don't think we'd have anything to worry about then.

free market as an ideology, is really just used as a way to trick the poor and ignorant to vote against their own self interest.

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>if you're born poor you literally have to spend your entire life trying to do anything of value. It's just not worth it.

Okay, you think it's not worth it. But if people can do it (they can) and the vast majority of people are living above the poverty line (they are), then there's no problem other than your lazy ass.

>>39457300
>This is what passes for a debate point in right wing circles.
>Capitalism isn't broken because God would fix it.

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>>39457322
lol wtf are you on about newfag hahaha?
I'm sorry I triggered you
when did I say I have a daughter?
I have a lovely 17 week year old son
off on holiday atm, so i'm laughing at teens on while my wife and son are asleep
lol I can still trigger brainlet, brilliant lol
tell me anon, wua atm? still waiting on your prom date lol?

>>39457356
Sounds pretty originally good to me, actually.

>>39456217
>We can tell everyone to just do as they want, or else we just go nowhere. We need people to make decisions, to act as a whole, and sovereignty prevents it
So instead of letting children do what they want, you want to have children dictate what other children can do?

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>>39457407
You can't get more autistic than this, and people in this thread have tried.

>>39457434
i dunno man, i dont hold the truth, but i definitely think letting people do as they want is a bad idea.

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>>39457442
>reply by calling someone autistic on 4chan
kek, ok man
you ok?
you seem determined lmao

>>39457484
Sometimes it is, but when their poor choices only hurt themselves you should let them. Only way they will learn.

>The average American will cry hysterically "tyanny" and "communism" at the idea of economic redistribution that help the poor
>Meanwhile the US federal government alone directs finances worth trillions of dollars
>Vast prison colonies, militarised police force who can arrest you on the mere word of a woman (false rape allegations, false domestic violence allegations)
>Government intervenes directly in the home telling you what configurations of pixels on a screen you're allowed (IP infringement laws, anti-CP laws)
>Government openly proclaims the right to monitor worldwide communications and even spies on its own citizens

How cucked can you get?

>>39457116
There is no irony. Shitheads like you are a cancer to ALL life. You're just so self-absorbed that you can't see and don't care what a menace you are.

>>39457442
are you referring to the post or pic?

>>39454819
Sounds like your system needs a little shake-up.

A Communist and/or Fascist revolution to kill/disenfranchise the rich quickly followed by a counter-revolution led by the middle class or military to restore democracy should do it.

>>39455793
Historical data also shows that the rich need to be broken every so often before they can grow to become a threat to the state.

You'll want to ensure the promise of social mobility is real to encourage ambition and a strong work ethic while using that same social mobility as a threat to prevent complacency and to mitigate the viability of translating capital into lasting political influence.

>>39456442
>Even at the lowest income group of practically any western country, you're STILL in the top 10% of wealth relative to the rest of the world.
As defined by the bankers who exchange currency based on supply, demand and whatever they think will net them the most profit.

There's some level of truth to the statement, but the popularity of a national currency's "brand name" is also a factor.

> city folk drivin' in a black limousine
A lotta sad people thinkin' that's a mighty keen

Consumerism has poisoned your mind and now instead of being able to find joy in a modest life you know only envy for the lives of others.

>>39456257
>>39456398
So when are you gonna spill the beans? We're waiting with our dicks in our hands here

>>39455608
You're trying to speak to us on the "anti-jew"wavelength, but what you don't understand is that communism was made by jews for jews. If the banks own the government and the government owns the land of all the citizens, then that means that the banks now own all the land.

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>>39454819
here's a snapshot:
>live in poverty
>go to high school because it's against the law to not go
>enjoy learning and don't want to fuck up my life so I try and get good grades
>get scholarships for university and go to a cheap state school so I don't wallow in debt
>choose a liberal arts degree
>bust my ass over each summer on internships to build my resume and refine my craft
>graduate with a 3.8+ GPA because liberal arts is easy as fuck
>get a full-time job in an office straight out of college with the work experience I built over the course of my young adulthood
Sorry, but if you're unable to be successful in the first world, it's completely your own fault. It's simply because you didn't work hard enough. This is a tough pill to swallow but is objectively true unless you have some kind of crushing disability, in which case the government throws money at you anyway.

>>39455129
Every one would go to the wild.
Guess what? They did that in the thirtys and deer ram out.
We need to kill off the seven billion people on this planet then focus on killing off the millions.

>>39457365
Someone steals your rent money
Evicted the next day.
Some one crashes into your car
Broke and evicted Becuase you can't pay rent and get a new car
Some one stabbed you
Cant afford the hospital bill
Some one takes you to court
You lose and have to pay
Emergency medical bills
Fucked
You know most people live paycheck to paycheck in American and barley pay off their overhead?
Everything is getting expensive while wages are getting lower and since tech is growing you can't even get a factory job thanks to robots
We are doomed.

>>39459238
>work in an office job
>pinnacle of success
>le smug anime reaction image

i know the pieces fit

>>39454819
No, millennial, the way the current system is set up, if you're born poor, you're going to have to cooperate with your fellow poor people to do anything of value. But instead you'd rather hang out online blaming everyone else for your problems instead of investing in friendships irl for anything other than likes and views.

It fucking sucks having to deal with people my age because all of them think they're fucking entitled to everything and are above working for anything but still think they're in their rights to be resentful towards anybody doing better than them and blame them for their problems because that better person isn't giving them a free handout.

Protip, young cucks, pointing fingers at people isn't going to make your life better or get you anything. Stop looking at the greener grass and expecting someone to give it to you for free just because you think it's not fair you don't have it.

>>39455834
You just posted a picture of a guy who stole ideas from /v/

>>39459238
>land
Hard to work when there are no jobs to work
Hard to get an education when you needed to drop out to work.
Hard to do anything with out perquisites

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>>39454819
The alternative is Hitler.
Started from the bottom, became fuhrer of all Germany. Goebbels too had a rough start,
pic related.

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>>39459238
I went to university studied hard and got an engineering degree, found out any degree you get is virtually worthless if you don't have social skills.
Was told all my life that all I needed to do is work hard, and that's what I did because I assume everyone telling me this(my parents, teachers, boss ect..) did so in good faith.
I was pretty much fucked from the very beginning, no amount of hard work would have changed my fate
all that hard work was worthless, should have just done a bunch of drugs and overdosed, cant do that anymore living paycheck from paycheck, even a suicide would have to be done on a budget.

>>39457607
>>The average American will cry hysterically "tyanny" and "communism" at the idea of economic redistribution that help the poor
>I don't want MY tax dollars going to illegals, niggers & Muslims because they're stealing MY jobs and getting handouts! They don't deserve anything! MAGA!
>t. Trailer Park Bobbie Jo who fakes a back & neck injury to not work while getting food stamps, gov't funded healthcare that enables her to get free narcotics for those made up illnesses
>Meanwhile, Trailer Park Bobbie Jo makes up all kinds of bullshit to get numerous tax breaks and a higher refund than she actually deserves
>TP Bobbie Jo doesn't actually have an education so she isn't even qualified to work a decent job
>So now immigrants who do value education actually get the well paying high powered careers with the lofty positions
>TP BJ also believes that being American she's too good to work entry level for less than $20/hr
>So now the illegals and niggers work those jobs
>TP BJ just keeps being fat, lazy and thinking she doesn't have to do anything but sit on her ass and wait for her food stamps and gov't money
>Meanwhile, the US gov't takes American money to fund wars, outsourced American businesses and foreign allies overseas
>But the negros and immigrants are stealing everything MAGA don't criticize my great, flawless country!!!

Pretty sure 45 and his idiot cronies are going to make sure the cucking never ends.

>>39457349
College is free in the US too if you pay 50 bucks for an ACT or SAT prep book. People always talk about how our education sucks but getting full ride to a decent state school is fucking easy.

>>39455544
>In reality, the time and resources used to build a doggy mansion could've been better spent on basically anything else
yeah it could be but the fact remains that it's her money, her resources, and her time being utilized. You cannot decide what's "better" for others in the economy for optimal distribution because trying to force that is communism and wont work. If you're trying to put a cap on success and free will be my guest but dont act smug about it

I wonder if there's a hotel in Paris called the Hilton

>>39455204
>Crapitalism is inherently self-destructive.
capitalism is human nature, it's been instilled since ancient times since "goods and services exchange for currency" is a human ideal since it provides both the incentive to work for something and for the consumption of something

one problem is that community colleges require a bunch of prereqs to get into the actual classes

>>39455618
no it looks huge

>stay in school and don't be a fuck up
>save money from summer jobs
>go to college with financial aid and scholarships tailored to your income level
>work for a living and pay off loans over time

wow that was so hard you guys

literally just don't be a retard and save your and you can live comfortably

>>39461645
>is human nature
No it isn't

Also capitalism will be obsolete once robots replace human labor. Either you give livable wage to people or leave them to die.

They won't die without a revolution