What is the point of having children apart from selfish reasons?

To give my parents a descendant they can be half proud of.

>>39096808

Developing the human race/achievements. Correcting your mistakes.

Inevitably your genes will land in someone who attains imortality and can continue further exploration and examination of our universe.

Because it's a nice feel to have a qt daughter.

>>39096808
>what's 2+2 by the way hard mode you can't say 4

Kill yourself

what the fuck else are you gonna do? fap to hentai and play vidya all day?

>>39096856
2+2 = 66/16

apparently arithmetic is too low in original content

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There is none, but why is that a bad thing?

>>39096808
>What is the point of having children
to continue your race

>>39096808
>The world needs more of me.
>The world needs more of whoever I think is cool enough to breed with.
>Continuing my story with all of the experiences of infancy, childhood, and adolescence made new again in somebody who's like me but their own person
>Continuing the story of myself/my father/mother/grandparents/ancestors
>The universe gets seen and heard through eyes and ears like mine.
>I can give somebody the kind of stable and wholesome upbringing I didn't get.
>Bringing the cries of babies and the laughter of children into the world.
>Again, so that somebody gets to experience all of this for the first time.
>To live out the experience of having children and being a parent.
>People WAY less-equipped than I am to bear the torch of the future are gonna breed like crazy, so it's my duty to ensure that the world of the future isn't ENTIRELY made up of idiots.
>To give my family grandchildren, nephews, nieces, and cousins to love.
>To finally pay off this fucking mortgage.
>Spinoff series for my life
>The story goes on.
>The music goes on.
>It's the closest thing we have to getting around death.

>>39096808
having a child is the most selfless act you can commit . do you realize what parents have to go through to raise a child??

>>39096846
>living through your offspring

You shouldn't be a parent.

>>39097021
inb4 "wite chillen"

My race has 50k members in the world and I still don't feel obligated to breed.

>>39096808
What's wrong with the selfish reasons?

>>39097053
>My race has 50k members in the world
What are you lad?

>>39097045
I don't get why breeders think having kids is tantamount to immortality. You can't even be sure your kid will keep the line going and you shouldn't pressure him to or you're a bad parent.

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>>39097078
Metis

I tried to make a thread about it earlier but there aren't enough of us for another one to have seen it.

>>39096808
yeah fuck having children why can't i just be reborn as a new me with the beauty of the sun why can't i just shed my skin like a snake to reveal the beautiful me underneath this robot body. why do i have to have some women spit out some kid who isn't even truly me.

>>39096845
are they not proud of you? why not end the cycle with yourself and become a success?
>>39096846
this is a good enough answer
>>39096856
t. Bog, parent of bogina
>>39096930
why not?
>>39097021
race is meaningless
>>39097045
I said without selfish reasons
>>39097051
They'd be better off, safer and more content never having existed to begin with.
>>39097073
Nothing I guess, but I just think people should question it more instead of just seeing it as a requirement to life. Continuing humanity doesn't really matter. Once you die, the universe effectively ends with you.

>>39097051
Having a child is selfish. It's a choice. Parents always act like martyrs and I hate it. Don't have kids if you're going to bitch about it for the rest of your life.

>>39097110
>Metis
Had to google that. I suppose if you dont feel an instinct to breed with so few numbers you never will.

>>39097133
>They'd be better off, safer and more content never having existed to begin with

how do you know? why do you act like this is all guaranteed when it's not. many people genuinely enjoy their lives. also how can you be content if you don't exist what are you even saying lmao
>>39097138
sacrificing a large portion of your energy, time, life, and money is far from selfish. not having a child is also a choice too. what's your point again?

>>39096808
There are none
If you want to be a selfless cuck , then don't have kids
Or better yet go off yourself
Or better yet go work a shitty thankless job and donate your paycheck to charity
Whatever you do be sure to let me know how that not being selfish thing goes

>>39097153
Nope. I don't consider it my responsibility. I didn't ask to be born.

>>39097188
It's selfish because it's for your own pleasure of your own pathetic urge to fuck and spawn. It's selfish because you take food out of people's mouths by having a kid. You take away a family from an orphan. You waste the resources 10 pajeets would use in a lifetime.

>>39097188
Guess you got me there. I'll be honest, my life is absolutely terrible so its hard to believe some people genuinely enjoy life. What I'm really saying I guess is, robots shouldn't have children.

>>39097053
>You shouldn't be a parent.
This is among the stupidest things people think.

Everyone acts like it's a truism. Why? Because idiotic roastie no-brain "child development specialists" say so? Every other last fucking thing baby boomer roasties have come up with, in psychology or sociology or education or any of their comical "soft sciences", is utterly full of shit. Why wouldn't this be, too?

Definitely live through your offspring. The people who do that actually pay attention to their kids enough to help them develop skills and improve. Miss Touchy-Feelie Roastie with her "Let kids experiment and be their own person" nonsense has two generations of fuckups who live lives out of a Bret Easton Ellis novel to answer for. The people living vicariously through their kids have to answer for...what, exactly? Their successful kids who are driven because they're afraid that if they don't strive they won't be good enough? Those kids are fucking awesome.

>>39096808
>Hard mode: You can't use the *valid argument*

>>39097262
My grandma lived vicariously through her kids and fucked them up for life.

>>39097051
>having a child is the most selfless act you can commit . do you realize what parents have to go through to raise a child??

You know why people say that having a child is rewarding?

Because you are biologically programmed to experience pleasure when you do it.

It's not selfless at all.

Being a parent satisfies a biological drive. It's about as selfless as fucking or eating a sandwich.

>>39097088
>I don't get why breeders think having kids is tantamount to immortality.
I never said that it was. I said it was the closest thing we have to it.
>You can't even be sure your kid will keep the line going and you shouldn't pressure him to or you're a bad parent.
I can't be sure the human race isn't gonna nuke itself into oblivion tomorrow. I still invest in its future every day. And yeah, lots of lines are going to be wiped out. The individuals in those lines still live out their stories and play a role in the whole organism that is the human race.
Yes, the giants are going to devour us one day. Yes, death only has to win once and we have to conquer it for every single sunrise. We still fight with the complete conviction that we will continue to fight forever and that the sun will rise again.
As for "pressure," not everybody is as defective as you are. If I have enough kids, they'll choose to breed. And besides, they're gonna be hit with enough pressure NOT to breed, so there's no harm in letting them know that I want grandchildren.

>>39097133
>I said without selfish reasons
Yeah, but you didn't say "complete martyrdom." Things that are beautiful, meaningful, or worthwhile to me aren't inherently selfish because I like them, and it would be stupid to deny myself doing things that I know are good just because I enjoy them. What, are you going to criticize every good or beautiful thing done as long as it's enjoyed?

>>39097298
>Because you are biologically programmed to experience pleasure when you do it.
So a behavior can only benefit others if it's completely disordered and self-destructive and elicits negative feedback from your body. Gotcha.

>>39097335
If my mom wanted grandkids, a part of me would resent her for that.

>>39097360
>So a behavior can only benefit others if it's completely disordered and self-destructive and elicits negative feedback from your body. Gotcha.

Who said that?

"Selfless" and "benefits others" are not synonyms.

"Selfish" and "benefits others" are not antonyms.

I was taking issue with the framing of OP's initial question. He clearly is implying that having children for selfish reasons is somehow bad. Why?

But the people arguing that being a parent is selfless are making the same mistake, just in a different way. When so many people talk about something being rewarding that it becomes a cliche, it's absurd to claim that doing it is selfless. Just about all mammals that raise their young experience a clear transformation when they have them. Humans are no different. Enjoying being a parent is EXACTLY like enjoying having sex - you're programmed to do it because if you weren't, we'd be extinct.

>>39097242
ok, so let's say it's selfish. what then? why it's that a bad thing exactly? i'm genuinely curious what your answer is
>>39097257
i see what you mean and in this case i would agree
>>39097298
can you answer my question to the other anon. why is it bad if both parties are benefiting and happy to be alive?

>>39096808
Contributing to the population of white people in order to preserve it for the future, long after I'm dead.
Not selfish because it's for a greater cause much larger than me.

>>39097411
>>39097292
Well, whoop-dee-fucking-do. it's Projection: The Argument. You folks may have had bad upbringings. That doesn't mean that all parenting is bad. You may not think life is worthwhile. That doesn't invalidate the worth others see in their lives. You may not think yourself or your ancestors to be good or worth perpetuating. That doesn't mean that I'm not good, or that my ancestors aren't good, or that they aren't worth perpetuating. You might dislike or resent X. That doesn't mean I will, or that anybody's hypothetical kids will.

Enough of this. You guys always do this in these threads. The standards applied to a disordered minority to not apply equally-well to healthy people.

>>39097515
>Who said that?
Apparently not you, but it was strongly implied even in the opening question.

Your stance on this is reasonable. Selfish, or enjoyable things can be beneficial. In fact, harmony exists where things are mutually pleasurable and beneficial.

>>39096808
By giving them life, they have the option to continue with life or to kill themselves later if they don't want to live.

When you argue it is selfish to bring someone who didn't consent to being born, you are actually being selfish by taking away their potential choice to live or not.

Look OP, I tried. The whole question is stupid regardless.

>>39097530
>can you answer my question to the other anon. why is it bad if both parties are benefiting and happy to be alive?

I don't think it's bad.

That was my objection.

OP assumes that selfish = bad.

I don't.

I also assume that Michaelangelo felt really fucking good when he painted. When I do some stupid little half-ass creative thing, I feel pretty good - so I suppose that if I painted the Sistine Chapel, I'd feel like the fucking god I just painted. So what Michaelangelo was doing can also be said to be "selfish".

But that's pretty fucking cool: we're built in such a way that we get pleasure out of doing stuff that is good. Like raising kids. Or nailing hot chicks. Or hitting niggers with pipes.

What a piece of work is Man!

>>39097530
I just explained that you're depriving resources to people who already exist. It's wrong.

>>39097840
>Another dumb leftie who thinks Malthus wasn't an idiot

Don't hang around this board too much or you'll forget to go pick up your Nobel Prize in Economics

>>39097939
I don't know who Malthus is.
You're taking a home away from an orphan when you breed. It's not about money.

>>39096808
Selfless reasons. The world is selfish and being selfless will give you a miserable life.

>>39097977
No, I'm not.

I was never going to give a home to an orphan. So they didn't lose anything.

The choice isn't between "give resources to my biological child" and "give resources to starving Africans". Because "give resources to starving Africans" doesn't arise as a choice. The choice is between "give resources to my biological child" and "buy hookers and blow".

>>39097840
how is that my responsibility or obligation though? is it that hard to understand that people prefer to have their own biological children? selfish or not it's not always a bad thing.

>>39098044
If you want a kid the only ethical choice is adoption. I meant adopting kids from your own country. Getting an orphan from Africa is unethical because it's a big business there and they profit off poor people who have to sell their kids.

>>39098071
It's your responsibility to make the world... not better necessarily
But also not worse. Leave it how you found it.

>>39096808
To create human who will productively contribute and be a beneficial member of society.

If it ain't this, sorry, you're egotistical.

>>39098083
I was using "give resources to starving Africans" as a stand-in for any so-called "more ethical" choice you think people should make rather than have a child.

Before any of those things can be part of a comparison, they have to be on the table.

I would never adopt a child. Ever. So if you are trying to theoretically compare having a child of my own to adoption, to measure in the scales of your nicety which one would be more selfless, it's pointless. When one choice is not on the table, no valid comparison can be made.

The *real* question is "Is raising your biological child more ethical than spending all your resources on hookers and blow?" Because that's the other choice. Not helping an orphan. Having and raising a biological child is a good thing relative to the other things I would do with my resources if I wasn't biologically programmed to be emotionally rewarded by parenting.

>>39098122
YOU should be that human. It's counterintuitive to make someone exist because you're too lazy to do something good with your life.

>>39098238
Moot because I don't spend my money on hookups and blow. I spend it on college so I can become a doctor and abort unwanted fetuses.