>Hey, Morty, could you hand me that *BURP* god on my workbench.

Looks like someone doesn't like Rick & Morty too much.

>>39089549
Some say it couldn't be done. Others say it was possible but too risky. But we've finally done it. We finally have an extract of pure, unadulterated autism.

>>39089549
This is somehow worse than the actual show he's trying to make fun of.

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>>39089616
>>39089618
>>39089638
And /r9k/eddit reveals itself

>>39089713
>someone actually took the time to make that
Fucking madman. People like that should be locked up.

>>39089713
hahahahaha what the hell
why is it that every time something gets popular someone will take the time to make a full infographic about how people are "wrong" in liking something

let me be a fucking retard what the hell how is it affecting you ?

>>39089549
but anon god is a human created concept that causes so many problems throughout history and if one shitty cartoon wants to rub the fact he's not real in people's faces i think it's doing something right

>>39089961
>but anon god is a human created concept that causes so many problems throughout history
Objectively false
>INB4 muh dark ages

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>>39090048
>Objectively false
Do you have a citation for this claim

>>39089713
Well I'm glad someone else made it saving me the trouble.

>>39090048
>Objectively false
Proof falls on those claiming something exists as you can't prove a negative. Nobody has ever shown me a reason to believe in a god.
>INB4 muh dark ages
Yeah it happened and more people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason throughout history. It's fucking stupid

>>39089713

Jesus - this is amazingly spot on.

>>39089549
Imagine being this obsessed with hating a fucking cartoon.

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Being angry at someone for enjoying what you don't is a hallmark of autism

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>>39089549
Why isn't this on /co/ you fucking autist

>>39089956
>how is it affecting you ?
Bad things breed more bad things. Also, there doesn't even necessarily have to be a reason for people to make fun of you for having shit taste, that's just good fun.

>>39090120
Malaria would like a word with you

>>39090158
BACK TO /R/EDDIT WITH YOU AHAHAHHAHA
>anyone who doesn't agree with me belongs on leddit

>>39090204
Hope you're baiting and not a real thicko. I obviously meant people killing people.

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>>39090089
>Do you have a citation for this claim
I haven't seen the evidence for
>god is a human created concept that causes so many problems throughout history
>>39090120
>Nobody has ever shown me a reason to believe in a god.
Who cares? I'm pretty sure religious people haven't caused every problem in history
>Yeah it happened
Tim_O'Neill.png
>more people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason throughout history
Actually, atheist centered governments like Communism killed more in the 20th century than of all religious wars in past history

>>39090307
nice tumblr facebook pic fegit

>>39090307
>the Soviet Union was bad
>???
>God exists

>>39089549
quality post

I'M PICKLE RIIIIIIICK!!!

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>>39090452
>>>more people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason throughout history
>The USSR and other athiestic communist governments killed more in 1 century than religious wars in history
>HOW DOES THIS PROVE GOD EXIST

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>>39090534
>>>>more people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason throughout history
Whom are you quoting?

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You have to be a true Nihilist to understand why Rick and Motry is truly enlightening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZL8TNlGF9E

>>39090702
>nihilism
>enlightening
It's literally "babby's first philosophy"

>>39090646
>>39090120
Oriiginel post

>>39089713
>God is dead, life is meaningless, and all emotions are the result of strictly biological imperatives
This is accurate though. The others are valid criticisms, but this line particular line of attack sounds deluded.

>>39090732
Nihilism is both the babby's first philosophy and the intellectual's philosophical endpoint. You start there, try to prove it wrong, and end up settling in with the reality of the situation in the end.

>>39090881
>Nihilism
>the intellectual's philosophical endpoint
>not existentialism

pleb, nihilism is for edgy liberals

>>39090950
Nihilism and existentialism are interchangeable in practice. The only true nihilist without any existential tendencies at all would starve to death or die of thirst from rejecting the drive to nourish their body or would suffocate from rejecting breathing.

pessimism aka realism and antinatalism are pills normalfags can't swallow

>>39090862
>>39090881
Can you give me a reason why any nihilists would not kill themselves?

>>39091143
Can you give me a reason why anyone wouldn't kill themselves? In any viewpoint, death is the end of suffering. Yet people continue anyways. There are common reasons, everything from a fear of death to feelings of commitment to those around them.
Most people don't have a philosophical justification for themselves, not now and not in the past either. Things just happen.

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Look at me dad!
I turned myself into a worthless piece of shit who'll never achieve anything!!!
Boom, big reveal!

>>39091176
are you talking about the show or my life

>>39090089
What animu is that? Looks like Kaiji.

>>39091211
My life/Your life

>>39091143
Religion is nihilistic, think about it, the entire appeal of most religions is that your current existence doesn't matter unless it can be used to make your second existence better. Nietzche believed the opposite and opposed this kinda life, yet people call him a nihilist anyway.

>>39091173
Many religions view it as a grievous sin
Many people don't want to hurt their family (nihilists wouldn't care)
due to entropy, life has more suffering than lack of suffering. The only nihilists who wouldn't kill them selves after realizing that fact would be the ones who purposefully seek to increase the suffering of others in order to decrease their own suffering, significantly

>>39091410
>(nihilists wouldn't care)
And this is why only a tiny handful of people in the world can be considered nihilists. Most that are pigeonholed into the nihilist label are actually existentialists or optimistic nihilists.
And normies don't really give a fuck about autism labels anyways. Psychology is far more useful for digging into the inner workings of the human mind than this.

>>39091258
Nihilism is inherently not religious. But have you heard of Emmanuel Kant and Kantian ethics?

>all these mad redditors

>>39092238
>all these autistic beta males that spend their time hating a shitty cartoon.

I know Rick and Morty is for pseud permadolescents but I still watch it because its reasonably entertaining. And its not like there is anything else on TV that is actually good. The only thing currently being produced on TV that isn't absolute trash is Better Call Saul and even that isn't exactly high art. Rick and morty is quite a bit better than a vast majority of television shows.

>>39089616
On the other hand, I'm almost certain OP is a huge fan.

>>39092390
OP loves the show so much he took the time to type that massive green text.

>>39090862
The thing that separates juvenile nihilism from the adult form of nihilism is realizing that the only meaning this universe could hold is the one that we make themselves through art and short lasting love. However, people that experience that aren't fool and if they were to distantiate from whatever material or 'spiritual' holdings they have, they would quickly realize that the universe is an empty shell that holds absolutely nothing on its own.

Thus why authentic nihilism is extremely rare. Because it involves both an appreciation of the beauties of the surroundings and the indifference/ignorance of a higher purpose or meaning other than what is directly connected to you.

>>39091143
Because even if it's meaningless the chemicals in my brain give me pleasure.

>>39092592
There's no reason to pursue pleasure

>>39092592
Then you're probably more of an egoist than a nihilist.

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Everyone above this line is an autistic cringeposter

>>39092814
pretty much, literally like a dozen autists sperging over a cartoon

>>39092814
Nihilist are cringelords

>>39093069
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=9ZL8TNlGF9E

Ever heard of nihilist core?

>>39093879
>No videos were found.
Nice link faggot.

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>>39090862
Meme image, I don't quite understand the link he uses to discredit him though. He says it's all chemicals and it's worthless because of that, but then the other is like but you need them to know. How does that refute the value claim though? It's epistemic that we need chemicals to know I don't see the connection between that and how donald is wrong.

>>39089549
But wasn't there that one episode where he thought he was going to die and started freaking out and praying to god?

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Stupid question but how is atheism different from nihilism? How could the universe have an intrinsic meaning without a god? I feel stupid for having existential dread. What are my options? I can only create meaning for myself no? I read somewhere once that chinese people didn't really have a word for existential crisis because the idea that there's never been any reason to live aside from your decision is obvious

>>39092814
>everyone on this board
Ftfy

Life is a string of embarassments

>>39089713
Cold and overgeneralized reading of an entire show.
I can sum up anything to appear like shit in an infographic.

>>39092371
How do I not be a perma-adolescent?

>>39094154
I don't think anyone, not even the most hardcore atheists, truly believe the idea that death means they cease to exist entirely.
If they did then they would descend into deepest, basest hedonism. What would be the point of anything less.

>>39094350
>If they did then they would descend into deepest, basest hedonism
That's not happiness. You realize this in adolescence. Also, you don't get in anywhere in life behaving like this.

>>39089549
I despise that pseudo intellectual show too OP

>>39090170
Pretty much. Was trying to figure out how to say that but you did it perfectly.

>>39094375
>Also, you don't get in anywhere in life behaving like this.
Of course you do. You become a raider. You loot and pillage for what you need or want. Gather some like-minded hedonists and just take from everyone else.
And if you're idea of happiness is having a nice little garden and watching things grow, then you're just as free to do that. Just watch out for those raiders.

Seriously, though, I do know why people don't do this. Those that actually believe death is nothingness would be absolutely terrified of death. So terrified that they would never risk doing those dangerous things that could make them truly happy. They want to stave off the inevitable as long as possible so they live safe, dull lives.

>you think you're so smart for bashing religion!
>anyone who isn't religious is just an edgy fedora-wearing loser!

We get it, you're religious, and to see a show so openly mock your beloved bullshit triggers you something nasty.

Btw, while Rick is definitely a nihilist, the show as a whole is really more absurdist. Learn the difference.

>i-if you don't believe in god y-you have no reason to behave well!

kek, how many fucking times have these kinds of arguments been shut down and you ass burgers still keep throwing them around?

>>39094350
You make your own. Why care for pain and pleaure if you have other goals?

>>39094350
Chronic hedonism leads to an unfulfilling life is why. If everyone cares only about momentary happiness, we'd all be meth-heads. Most people understand that the contentedness gained from a life of fulfilled potential yields much more net happiness than destroying yourself with hard drugs all the time...

>>39094666
What use are your goals? What significance do they have beyond your short life?

>>39094514
What manner of clueless, sheltered dolt would write such drivel

>>39094763
Would they suddenly be more significant if we did not die? What use is it if something crumbles? What use is it if it lasts forever and you grow bored of it? If you cease to care for something in your everlasting life how ia that different than it crumbling in a mortal life?

Is Rick and Morty the new Big Bang Theory?

>>39094946
No, it's not as destructive as TBBT.

>>39094736
Nothing will lead to a fulfilling life for nihilists.

>>39094946
Badoinzga

>>39094600
>argument been shut down
Not that I've ever seen. The reply is always just
>"if you need religion to be moral, then you're an evil sociopath!!1"
Which is not an argument

>>39095034
How so? Being a nihilist just means you don't find intrinsic purpose in the universe

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>>39095053
TINY BAZINGAAA!

>>39095081
Nothing matters to nihilists. So they wouldn't find fulfillment in traditional things like family, hard work, etc.

>>39094052
Someone answer me pls
I need my (you)s

>>39095198
>nothing matters to nihilists
But what of existentialists? They are nihilists no? They observe that there is no intrinsic yet create their own. In that observation they are still nihilist? Or a subcategory? The interesting thing is how does the refutation of your personal meaning work, it's simoly saying that too isn't intrinsic? Well obviously, it comes from us. This leads me back to my atheism and nihilism thing, is there a way to have a universe with intrinsic purpose,without a god? However would that god not be the same as us, needing to create it's own purpose, just a larger scale of the above problem.

Maybe It's just stupid to talk about? Like we evolved this because we use tools for purposes, this stick is to get ants, then applied it too far to life as a whole?

>>39095034
Which is why I'm an absurdist. Again, learn the difference.

>>39095287
I never said you were a nihilist. Nihilism is what was being discussed, not absurdism.

>>39095287
So we can never know if there is or isn't a purpose, then why struggle?

Why are you an absurdist?

>>39095059
Atheists are the only people capable of true morality. If you behave well out of hope for some eternal reward or fear of eternal punishment, you're not acting out of moral duty, you're acting out of self-interest. Only when you disregard such bullshit (which there's no good reason to believe in the first place) can you do good for goodness' sake, and not for your own.

>>39095342
>atheists are the only ones capable of true morality
You have that backwards. Man-made morals have no validity.

>>39095325
Because the only noble thing to do in the face of lack of objective purpose, a cruel, apathetic reality, and the assurance of death, is to embrace the struggle and fight on in spite of it.

rick and morty is garbage show.
religion is fucking stupid.
i hate all of you.

>>39095391
Sure thing rick now go back to bed gramps

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>>39094052
>>39095209
I guess he means that you shouldn't trust those chemicals, because, for any given reason, they could be lying about being chemicals. Maybe they are something of actual worth, like a God fooling his creations for another unknown reason. Anyway, here's your (You).

>>39095385
I just don't see it as some enemy to fight. It's like trying to yell in space. Seems kinda spooky to me

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>>39095422
>tfw i knew someone would reply something along those lines

>>39095368
>implying there are such things as "divine" morals

First off, there's no good reason to believe there is/are a god(s), let alone the specific god(s) of a particular religion.

Second, assuming (and that's a big-ass assumption) something like the Bible does actually contain the word of god, how do you know that god is good? If he told you to kill your child, would you?

Ultimately, you still have to refer to your human judgement to decide whether or not that so-called word of god is good or not.

>>39094350
Read anon's post, if his claims are true then the country of China believes that death means game over forever and that there's no meaning to existence. That's a lot of people. A lot of whom have been studied as a whole and individually if you actually want to know more about the other side of your argument and how these people live.

>>39095475
If the omnipotent higher power says something is a certain way, then that's what it is. Thinking you know better than an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being is incredibly arrogant.

>>39091227
It's either Kaiji or Akagi, both were written by the same guy so they look the same

>>39095512
And how does one determine whether they're actually speaking to an "omnipotent higher power" or not? How are you so sure the one you think is the "true" god is so and everyone else is wrong?...

>>39095605
There can really only be one truly omnipotent higher power. Multiple omnipotent higherpowers would contradict each other at some point and you create a paradox

>>39095647
You didn't answer my question. Do that, and then I'll address the fallacious claim you just made.

>>39095432
Thanks. Maybe it has to do with how if you follow the chemicals thing to it's conclusion you end up with meaninglessness and the dog fight thing is if you are going to let that meaningless kill you or not
I'm a dip though cause it's meme. But still. I haven't become satisfied with it yet. I don't really consider the just chemicals thing too often, hm

>>39095692
It's one of those "know it when you see it" kind of things, I imagine. And pray tell, what was my fallacious claim?

>>39095692
>caring about religious arguments
This shit is retarded. I'm going to be a hypocrite here, but it's like being mad at someone because they suck at algebra. You could be doing calculus or whatever right now. Why waste your time in tired arguments and problems you already know the answer to when you could be learning more? You're only wasting your time

>>39094600
>he says while reddit spacing

>>39095762
>It's one of those "know it when you see it" kind of things, I imagine.

Translation: you don't fucking know, so stop typing out of your ass.

>>39095778
I've already heard all the arguments, anon. Spent years half-way obsessing over this stuff. Any more research I could do would just be reinforcing shit I've already heard. All there is to do now is try to spread it around a bit.

>>39095819
I don't have to know how to recognize omnipotence to be able to logically deduce the validity of said higher power's morals

>>39090170
>>39094487
>if you don't like shitty shows, you're autistic!

>>39089713
>nihilism is apparently edgy and normie now

>>39095899
Again, how do you discern whether or not the entity you think you're interacting with -or in this case, reading about second-hand...- is actually an "omnipotent" deity?

Also again, you DON'T KNOW. The only method you use to come to that conclusion is blind faith. The same method people of every other religion use to come to the conclusion that THEIR gods are real. What that means is that "faith" is an unreliable means of discerning truth (big surprise).

You can't all be right, but you can all be wrong.

>>39095847
>spread it around
I guess I don't care about this. I could be dling better things imo. It's like staying in the same math class over and over when you could be trying to make progress. I don't see the need to spread it around. It's already solved. Just live a life of critical thinking. If anything promote that, and they'll reach those conclusions on their own. Or maybe they won't. You don't have all the answers anon. People don't need to be logical, I'm an atheist because religion makes no sense, but I can,see why someone like me might want to be for purpose or would like the thought of everything happening for a reason. I guess I only tip my fedora when someone is religious and doesn't see why someone would think it ridiculous. I rememebe overhearing one friends conversation about how one of her friends stopped talking to her because he was an atheist, and I was just thinking how stupid they both were. Him for believing he has all the answers and tipping his fedora to exclude anyone who isn't, and her for not understanding why he would think that way

>>39095965
"Nihilism" is literally mainstream right now. Just look at social media and popular memes.

>>39095996
I've already explained how that's irrelevant.

>>39095965
There's real nihilism and then there's the "nihilism" that normalfags engage in.

The former is about how there isn't any intrinsic meaning to anything. The latter is basically just pessimism, atheism, and a general sentiment of feeling that nothing matters and death is cool.

Nietzche was an absurdist.

>>39095998
>I could be dling better things

We're on 4chan. There's literally nothing to do here but shitpost. Of course, it goes without saying I understand the appeal of religion, in spite of it being irrational. Btw, I'm not the one who started this argument. I only chime in on threads like this, I don't like to start them.

>>39092279
Found the angry plebbitor.

>>39096065
No you didn't... If all you're gonna do now is try to disregard my points, just go back to your trap threads.

>>39092279
>watching cartoons
>calling anyone a beta

>>39096144
Look at >>39095899
Orignalio

>>39091143
Because they don't want to? Nihilism's whole deal is that there is no meaning to anything you do. As such, it cannot recommend any action over any other.

>>39096118
I'll give you this one by rights of us both being in this shithole at the present moment.
But why argue with idiots?

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Theists are foolish for taking the word of ancient scriptures, with plenty of inconsistencies and errors as fact.

Atheists are foolish, as in an infinite universe with infinite parallels, there must be a god who can transcend universes somewhere. Atheists are also foolish for completely discarding a theory without suggesting an alternative.

All in all, anyone who isn't a brainlet will be agnostic. Aware and accepting of the quite high possibility of there being a god somewhere, but not changing their lifestyle or basing their hopes on anything unproven.

Checkmate.

>>39096218
Then you would be paralysed?
That's kinda killing yourself

>>39096218
And why do they not want to? Look at>>39091410

>>39096209
Knowing what "omnipotence" is and being sure of its presence are two very different things. For instance, if I saw some floating orb of energy speak some incoherent words and a nearby volcano immediately erupts, it would be easy to say that thing is all-powerful, but logically, that's hardly proof of such a thing.

There's also the fact that you've never seen such things first-hand. You're relying on edited, second-hand, extraordinary claims written long after they supposedly happened to determine not only whether such an entity exists, but specific details about its commands and desires...

On top of all that, you keep using the word "omnipotent" in spite of that adjective being literal nonsense. Can god create a rock so heavy he can't lift it? No. "omnipotence" leads to contradictions, and most contemporary theologians don't even use it any more, preferring to describe god as "maximally powerful" instead of "all powerful", but that's besides the point.

>>39096301
Agnosticism is absurd and pointless. It's lazy. There's plenty of theology supporting religion

>>39096301
>there must be a god who can transcend universes somewhere
[Citation needed]

>without suggesting alternative
I don't think you know what an atheist is. They just simply don't believe in god. That's it. It has nothing to do,with alternatives. If you want that go into philosophy, which this conversation isn't really about, as we've constricted it to theism.

Agnostic atheist is the true masterrace. Prove me wrong

>>39096301
>Atheists are foolish, as in an infinite universe with infinite parallels, there must be a god who can transcend universes somewhere.

God is generally described as "outside" the universe(s), not within them...

>Atheists are also foolish for completely discarding a theory without suggesting an alternative.

Considering an idea and disregarding it after finding it rationally wanting isn't the same as disregarding it without consideration... There are logical alternatives to gods, you just haven't heard of them.

Atheism isn't the rejection of the *possibility* of god(s) existing, but the asserted *certainty* of it.

Look into these positions more before you get ostentatious about them.

>>39096291
I'm just bored at the moment, anon.

>>39096353
The heavy rock paradox has been debunked. Plenty of theology and modern evidence has supported those "extraordinary claims."

>>39096078
I agreed until >and death is cool. if you are a robot and don't dislike life and wish for death you are a normie, life is suffering.

>>39096447
>The heavy rock paradox has been debunked

Then go ahead and show me.

>Plenty of theology and modern evidence has supported those "extraordinary claims."

Likewise, show me. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence; and for the most extraordinary claim possible, it's backed by some of the weakest evidence of any asserted historical events.

>>39096447
How has the heavy rock been debunked?
Wittgenstein?

>>39096118
Religion is not irrational though. Christianity is not irrational, anyway. Have you ever looked into Christian apologetics?

>>39096509
>extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
Is that a hitchens thing? I'm an atheist and they're cringy as fuck desu senpai. You gonna quote sam harris now too?

>>39096534
Shit is backwards as fuck. All the old philosophers just try and do mental gymnastics with the trinity assuming god is real without ever trying to work from no god to god

>>39096509
>>39096522
Guys. You either want to learn or you don't. I'm not the best person to fully educate you on it. If you want a rational approach to Christianity, look at CS Lewis and other Christian apologetics.

>>39096570
I'll take that as a "no" to my question

>>39096534
Religion is entirely irrational, anon. lol yes, I've looked into Christian apologetics, Muslim apologetics, Jewish apologetics. I've listened to plenty of debates with popular apologetics theologians like William Lane Craig and Frank Turek.

Their arguments are terrible, and they consistently lose debates. Have you ever looked into atheist thinkers like Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Dan Barker, Sean Carroll, etc.?

>>39096547
>I'm an atheist and they're cringy as fuck desu senpai

Sure mr. "atheist". Do tell, how are they cringey?

>>39096597
Yep, and you seem to not be a good judge of rationality

>>39096591
That isn't me, but he was completely right. Look at >>39096597

>>39089549
>show shits on the concept of religion once
>buttblasted barbaric retarded christians can't get over it

hahahahahahhahahahahahahah ask god to smite the show's writers hahahahahahahahahahahahahha

>>39096639
Hell of an argument, anon. I think that high-school-tier insult just convinced me of your position. Well done.

Come with an argument or don't post at all.

>>39090120
>Yeah it happened and more people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason throughout history.

You absolute retard thats not even remotely close to being true. Only 7% of wars in human history have been religious.

Jesus man, OP is a sperg in this thread but you went full retard

>>39096615
Go make a sam harris thread on /lit/ and see what happens

>>39096669
Considering that hitchen's arguments are high school tier, I think my insult is justified.
>come with an argument or don't post
4chan isn't the place for convincing arguments. I'm just pointing you guys in the right directions. But I can't force a horse to drink

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>>39089549
The fact that normies actually like this show makes me want to believe in God again.

>>39096644
I mean I don't like it and I'm not religious. It's just low hanging fruit. It's the easiest of targets

>>39096725
>no actual arguments posted
Nut up or shut up

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>>39096755
If you're going to ignore my post, then don't reply.

>>39096715
I don't agree with Sam on everything he's ever spoken about, but when it comes to religion, I encourage you to find me one thing he's said wrong on the subject.

>>39096725
>t-that guy's stupid! his arguments are dumb! you're dumb!

Again. So convincing, anon. You never led me to anything. You asked if I'd looked into "apologetics" bullshit artists. I said I had, and you followed up with insults that I didn't believe them.

Are you drunk?

>>39096783
>that picture

lol you never made a point, ass burger, you just insulted people

>>39096812
You're literally contradicting yourself in your own post. Are you drunk?

>>39096831
Wrong, can't you read?

haha guys do you get it??? it's funny because i'm actually very well off but i'm so boring that i like to pretend that my life is going down the drain and my reaction to my fake troubles is as if they weren't actually happening! It's a great meme! I'm actually suuuuper obsessed with memes, they're like my life (I actually have like 50 saved on my phone, it's a lot, i know) , my fake depression goes away when I look at some fresh memes! Probably one of my favorite memes is fidget spinners because they are really stupid and for autistic children which is another one of my favorite memes because it helps me cope with my fake autism, i'm actually like super socially awkward lol. Like STAY AWAY FROM ME I ENJOY PRETENDING I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FORM A COMPLETE SENTENCE HAHAHAHAHAHA. It's a joke between me and many of my friends and it is very funny just like MEMES! I also run a meme page on facebook called "Spidget Finner" get it it's because it's actually called fidget spinner but I spelled it incorrectly because of my fake mental retardation ;) I only have 100 followers on there but I am a simple farmer tending to my memes XDDXDXD

>>39096368
>Agnosticism is absurd
Please explain how sitting on the bench until sufficient evidence is provided is absurd? I personally feel jumping to either side when both have flaring faults is far more absurd.

>and pointless.
How is holding an idea 'pointless'?

>and pointless. It's lazy.
It isn't lazy, for me it's simply the view that it's pointless to invest time and effort in to following a book which is likely completely wrong.

>>39096372
>[Citation needed]
This point of course depends on the individual's belief in multiverse theories.

My point remains though, where the universe is currently immeasurably large with a potentially infinite number of "things", I think it would be foolish to say that without doubt there is no god.

>Agnostic atheist is the true masterrace. Prove me wrong

Personally, I would lean more towards agnostic theist, but it's very hard to differentiate the sides. An agnostic theist would believe that there is a god somewhere, but their characteristics are so unknowable that there is no point changing your life to work around them. An agnostic atheist however would say that "we may as well not believe in god, as if there is one, we wouldn't know enough about it to warrant changing."

Am I right in this assessment?

>>39096861
>>39096879

>*never makes a point*
>*insists he did make a point*
>uses name-calling instead of arguments

You haven't brought a single argument in any of your posts yet. 6/10 trolling.

>>39096861
How is religion literally any different than santa claus? The only thing is that we don't know how the universe was created, but there's no reason that can't be a physical phenomenon. You're basically worshipping gravity. Put a beard on christ and some white hair, boom santa claus

>>39089713
>>39094262

this 2bh. never seen the show but whoever made that is butthurt and autistic

>>39096931
There's plenty enough evidence and reasoning to make a decision.
Agnosticism is not "holding an idea" it is literally the lacking of belief.

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better show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXEJdcIXJto

>>39095912
I don't think that's what he was saying. If I had to put it in my own words I wouldn't use autistic.
It's fine to think it's a shitty show but just keep it to your fucking self and don't be an ass about it.

>>39096963
You cannot compare something like Santa Claus (which is known to be false) to religion, which has no serious gnostic atheists.

>>39097100
>better show:
Why would we want to watch a show about Chad?

>>39090646
This meme was never funny please stop

>>39096963
Religions are ancient belief structures usually dealing with morality and existentialism. Religions usually have thousands of years of theology and philosophical argument. Religions generally are structures that humans use to better structure their societies and dictate how humans interact and the rules for their behavior. Religions are filled with traditions and cerimonies and are usually very distinct and intertwined with a people and their culture and identity. Religions are full of folk lore and myth usually regional to where it is followed. Santa clause is one particular piece of folk lore associated with December 25.

Your ultra reductionist "religion = how universe was made" view of religions is how most children understand it and you're not doing yourself any credit by continuing to view it this way.

If you want to argue against something at least try to understand it so you know what you're actually arguing with and not just straw man it to the lowest possible terms like an edgy teenager talking about the spaghetti monster

>>39097059
>There's plenty enough evidence and reasoning to make a decision.
In your opinion.

>Agnosticism is not "holding an idea" it is literally the lacking of belief.

Of course I have a belief, I have the belief that there is a God, but the traits it has and what it expects of us are completely unknowable. Why would one waste their time following a set of expectations which could be completely wrong?

>>39097136
The only reason religion is spared a fair analogy to Santa Claus is because we can go to the north pole and know there's no widespread reports of presents appearing under peoples' Christmas trees... Something like the celestial teapot is a better analogy and works just as well to show the irrationality of religious belief

>>39097129
Actually, forget that. You can be an ass about it, I'll just continue enjoying rick and morty.

>>39097191
Then you're not agnostic if you believe there is a god.

>>39096931
I'm not saying without a doubt there is no god. That's where the agnostic part comee in. I also don't see how multiverse has to do with anything considering god would theoretically be outside it. With all the paradoxes surrounsing it, I see no reason to believe in a god, but don't claim to know. If you're just using god as a synonym for the unknowable rather than an intelligent creator being then it just seems kind of useless. No one is arguing against the creation of the universe or the concept of unknowable. I feel like agnostic theism makes an extra assumption vs aa. Hmm. Not quite sure. How do you define it? When it's just beyond reason then there's really no point in talking about it, is there?

>>39097213
>irrationality of religious belief
You keep saying that, but you haven't given any reason as to why it's irrational.

If you watch this show you should be fucking killed and I may very well be the one that makes that happen.

>>39097191
>I have the belief that there is a God, but the traits it has and what it expects of us are completely unknowable.

That's false though. Unknown, possibly, but not unknowable.

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>>39097159
because it opens your minds eye bro

>>39097229
>Then you're not agnostic if you believe there is a god.

You can be an agnostic theist, I think it's explained well here:

"Properly considered, agnosticism is not a third alternative to theism and atheism because it is concerned with a different aspect of religious belief. Theism and atheism refer to the presence or absence of belief in a god; agnosticism refers to the impossibility of knowledge with regard to a god or supernatural being. The term "agnostic" does not, in itself, indicate whether or not one believes in a god. Agnosticism can be either theistic or atheistic."

>>39097176
That religion has ritual and cultural aesthetics tied to it along with poor philosophical defense and poorer moral theory doesn't make belief in religious claims any more rational than belief in the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster, which is used as an illustration of the ridiculousness of belief in unfalsifiable entities with vaguely-defined attributes.

You're the one with a child's understanding of the subject matter.

>>39097256
Literally read all my posts >>39095475

>>39097176
Autism. You know what I meant. I didn't mention customs or structures. Do you unironically have autism because you completely missed the theistic and atheistic context this whole thread has been about. I'm talking about the validity of the core tenets of religion, which is based on the unprovable, exactly like santa claus.

Who /MoralOrel/ and /Superjail/ here?

>>39097333
None of that points to religion being irrational, just you not understanding religion

>>39097346
So you get completely BTFO and THAT'S how you respond? Try to have a shred of dignity, man

>>39097302
>That religion has ritual and cultural aesthetics tied to it along with poor philosophical defense and poorer moral theory doesn't make belief in religious claims any more rational than belief in the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster

It does though, because it's backed up by theology. People like you love to repeat over and over that there's no argument or rational reason behind religions believe but then consciously choose to completely ignore all the argument and philosophy that's been created for that exact purpose. You claim there's no argument the plug your ears and scream nananana everytime it's shown, and have repeated it long enough that you all start believing each other.

Seriously, Thomas Aquinas wrote multiple volumes amounting to thousands of pages on why we should assume there's a god and what his implied properties would be. It's philosophically sound and has never been adequately countered except by pure skepticism. To claim asserting there's a flying spaghetti monster is comparible or equal Thomas Aquinas' description of God and his argument for his existence is so absurd it just proves you have no idea what you're talking about

It's intellectually childish. I'm not even saying there's for sure a god or that there isn't. I'm saying you're intellectually juvenile and have the understanding of a teenager.

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>mfw christcucks trying to convince /r9k/ the magical man on the sky exists by bashing a children's cartoon
Really makes me ponder, christcucks

>>39097380
For the hundredth time, you say that without bringing a supporting argument. You're pathetic.

>>39097256
So you believe in Santa Claus?

>>39097448
I'm just picking apart your argument, not necessarily forming my own.
Here, let me give you a simple analogy
>you: "2+2=6"
>me: "that's wrong"
>you: "you're not even forming an argument!!!"

>>39097404
How exactly was I "btfo" again? All you did was misunderstand my post like a sperg.

>>39097346
>I'm talking about the validity of the core tenets of religion

So am I. The core tenants of religion are morality structures and the validity of a morality structure cannot be argued in an objective tense. I would argue the validity of a morality structure is measured by its results in which case religions can easily be argued as valid. You're ~asserting~ that religions are "only x" when that x is only the part of religion dealing with folklore. That's my point, you can't reduce something to childishly simple terms then refuse to view it as anything else.

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>>39097430
>actually there are a lot of arguments not really going to post them but well haha me intelligent you dumb
Fucking christcucks, when will they learn?

>>39097460
See>>39097176
And see>>39097136
Read the thread, faggot

>>39097525
See>>39097460
Answer the question

>>39097430
lol please. Aquinas could never once show how to get from no god to god, and himself admitted as much. All he did was attempt to describe such a being's attributes. Hell, he didn't even demonstrate such a being had to be conscious.

All you people do is name-call without ever bringing reasoned arguments. Bring arguments for your beliefs or don't bother. You aren't convincing anyone.

>>39097502
You tried to move the goalposts and pitifully tried to only argue against a specific part of religion with your terrible analogy, while ignoring other parts.
I'm >>39097404
But I'm not >>39097176

>>39097430
Can you provide an actual argument or are you just going to try and take words out of people's mouths? If religion makes any sense at all post how. Now. At best you end up with it's unknowable, which really doesn't do you any favors does it? Or are you going to argue about how many angels can fit on the head of a needle?

>>39097517
The concept of God and it's implications is possibly one of the most complex philosophical questions humans have ever asked. I cannot post a fucking 4chan comment filled with it. I can tell you exactly where the argument is and encourage you to read it. Thomas Aquinas' Suma Theologica. I highly suggest you try to read it, for your own sake, even if it's just to help you construct better arguments against what you clearly don't understand.

>>39097551
Stop ignoring arguments. Ignoring them doesn't make them go away. Holy shit

>>39097486
You never "picked apart" anything. Literally this is your entire post history here:

>you: have you even looked into apologetics?
>me: yes (gives examples), they're wrong
>you: y-you're just stupid!
>me: ok, support that claim with an argument
>you: I don't need one!

>>39097551
>Aquinas could never once show how to get from no god to god, and himself admitted as much. All he did was attempt to describe such a being's attributes.

That's a straight up lie. The first thing he does in the suma theologica is address no god vs god. He doesn't even touch on attributes or consciousness, or his continued activity, until several volumes in.

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>>39097593
>actually there are a lot of arguments not really going to post them but well haha go read a book m8 me intelligent you dumb
Fucking christcucks, when will they fucking learn?

>>39097600
So you think when you say something is wrong, that that's an argument, but when I say something is wrong, it's not an argument?
Your hypocrisy is astounding

>>39097597
What "arguments"? All you did was bring up Aquinas and claim he gave good reasons for belief in god (never once citing one) and I said he didn't while mentioning well-known flaws in his conclusions.

Holy (bull)shit

>>39097653
That wasn't me, champ. I'm just a lurker

I hear it's a good show, I should watch it. I like all the other "adult" animated series. Is it on Netflix?

>>39097579
>If religion makes any sense at all post how.

Religion is a morality structure imposed on a population providing them with instructions, consequences, and context to their behavior. A population all following the same morality structure and rules of behavior will be objectively more successful than one which is not.

There you go. Just explained how religion makes sense. If you'd like to refine your question to something more specific because you don't like viewing religion outside of your own narrow strawman then go ahead.

>>39097628
Here's a nice easy refresher for you. Try not to get too triggered watching these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgisehuGOyY

If you can cite exactly what his knock-down argument proving the existence of god is, post it right here.

>>39097679
That wasn't me either haha

>>39097638
I never claimed I gave an argument when I said they were wrong, I merely offered you counter-examples to listen to, after which you started name-calling...

Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.

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>>39097704
>Religion is a morality structure imposed on a population providing them with instructions, consequences, and context to their behavior. A population all following the same morality structure and rules of behavior will be objectively more successful than one which is not.
So we just force the masses to believe in made up bullshit so they will be more efficient? How is that ethical?

>>39097653
>never once citing one

I don't think you know what citing means because that's literally all I did. I cited you a source of arguments because I'm unable to sum up 3000+ pages of theology in an /r9k/ post

That was followed by you straight up lying about what Aquinas wrote and proving you've never read him

>>39097732
The irony here is palpable...

>>39097593
I mean I listened to a history of philosophy podcast once. Don't care for religion so I don't remember much of what was said about Aquinas. I feel like at that point you aren't even arguing god, just the event of creation. I don't see how actualization has anything to do with a concious being who would care about our actions on earth. Tbh I probably won't read Aquinas. Religion is so ridiculous to me it doesn't warrant further investigation. I wouldn't read a book on the north pole to learn about Santa. I do plan on reading some philosophy but I just want to get to the modern stuff. So after I finish Aristotle ill listen to more of the podcast and go to Descartes. Probably because i feel I'm behind. I am fairly knee jerk to this stuff though. Just been tipping my fedora this thread. I wonder why I'm angry here. What use is it? Is it just a backlash?

>>39097789
Are you being serious? Holy shit you're the perfect example of Internet atheists and why everyone with a brain hates them

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>>39097762
>2+2=5
>Dude that's wrong wtf
>It's right
>Prove it then
>Can't lol, go read this 3000+ pages book
Christcucks, are you even trying?

>>39097762
Take a look here, chief. >>39097707

Now you can either come with an [[[argument]]] like we've all been asking for or you can keep coming back with

>not really going to post them but well haha go read a book m8 me intelligent you dumb

>>39097758
so we just Segway into the next argument where you strawman me when a point is made against you? How is it not ethical? It's hard to make an argument for morality from an atheist perspective, the closest you can get is utilitarianism or Darwinism. Basically if it's good for a population then it's moral. That would make your own description moral by Darwinian standards unless you'd like to define another standard of morality to me

>>39097765
The trolling here is smelly...

>>39096508
Wishing for death is distinct from being fascinated with it in an emo way.

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>>39097842
>Ethics=Moral
What did christcucks mean by this?

>>39097789
I suggest refraining from arguing any topic in which you're not interested in hearing the other side of in the future.

>>39097829
>>39097831
Atheists confirmed for bait.
You guys probably wouldn't believe complex math shit if someone told it to you over the internet, and then you'd refuse to go look at a math textbook.
W I L L F U L I G N O R A N C E

>>39097842
Not who you replied to but...

Moral theory is difficult from an atheist perspective, but impossible from a religious one. The best you can do is Divine Command Theory. Basically, if god says do it, it's good. That's of course disregarding the fact that there's no good reason to believe in god in the first place, and that the only thing you can say is wrong about the actions of other religious people in the name of their god(s) is that they have the wrong god(s), without ever establishing who's god is the "right" one, if any of them...

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>>39097842
Great, so we can just engulf ourselves in 1984-tier societies because they are really efficent and lol god doesn't exist. Real life is not that simple, dumb christcuck.

>>39097831
I don't know why you're asking like this is some "gotcha!" You've trapped me in. I'm telling you, I cannot sum up that much theology into a 4chan post. I'm telling you where to find it if you're interested, meaning your claim that there's no argument is a lie. I'm pointing you directly too an argument.

All your doing is claiming the fact you're not seeing it in this text box as opposed to another text box means there's no argument.

>>39097908
Hello irony, this is anon...

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>>39097908
>G-god is just as real as complex math, please believe me, they're on the same tier, d-dumb atheists haha bet you watch rick and morty

>>39097923
>great so we can just strawman and reductio absurdum our opponents everytime my point is defeated

Arguments aren't so simple, fedora

>>39097822
Do you expect me to take anti-vaxxers seriously too?

>>39097968
Really? What's this then>>39089549?
Originalelo

>>39097933
I linked you to some easy to understand videos that break down all of Aquinas' key arguments concerning god. Take a look.

If you can't summarize for us even a basic argument for the existence of god, you are wasting your finger strokes.

>>39097919
>That's of course disregarding the fact that there's no good reason to believe in god in the first place,

Another absolutely baseless assertion.

Seriously, I know there's no proof of god. I know no one in this thread will be convinced to change their mind in argument either, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to point out the absolute absurdity of your thoughts. You can't just convince yourself "I'm right because everyone else is wrong because I'm so right" and then act like you're a rational person

>>39097986
Someone making fun of a cartoon with a 4chan monolog

>>39097962
>I can't come up with a legitimate response, so I'll be flippant, mocking, and post wojaks and frogs
You either can't understand it, or you choose not to.

>>39098015
>being this retarded

The burden of proof is on YOU, pal, the one making a positive claim, to substantiate your claim, not on the skeptic to prove your claim untrue. This is basic burden of proof shit.

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>>39098031
>>39098043
Utter btfo. Good bye.

>>39089549
I hate this fucking faggot show. It does nothing but allow normalshits, especially female ones, to continue branding themselves as "le epic nerds XD." Half of it is le epic improv that isn't even unique or cool anymore. It's just fucking annoying and time-wasting. The jokes are juvenile and often involve toilet humor, which is the lowest form of comedy. The fanbase is complete fucking cancer and perhaps the biggest reason I hate it. This show sucks. Just another excuse for roasties to put on hipster glasses, share Neil DeGrasse Tyson memes and say they're "nerds XD." God I fucking hate normalfags so fucking much REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>39090862

Everyone already knows that there is no god, and that life has no intrinsic meaning and so on. We already processed that and moved on. Making a big deal about it over and over like it's an extraordinary revelation is extremely tiresome and juvenile. It's like the sort of "science is amazing" junk that keeps showing up on facebook, presenting trivial phenomena as wondrous.

>>39097436
And who let you redditors in?

>>39097885
>you must take seriously this literally schizophrenic position
That would be retarded

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>OP post common /tv/ and /co/ copypasta
>/r/atheism spergs out
And some people to this day say /r9k/ isn't retarded

>>39098072
How do we move on anon?

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I just wanted to post the poop emoji
Have any of you guys seen the movie by the way?

>>39098236
Going back to plebbit with your meme word "normie" faggotry, which is a PC corruption of normalfag is a start

>>39098277
The original r9k didn't care about normalfags though. That 4chan cred argument is stupid because the original r9k didn't give a fuck about the dichotomy

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>what this thread's become

>>39098257
Is it over? Did everyone get over their hate boners?

looks like san diego

>>39098072
No but seriously how do we move on dude