>goes to psychiatrist >"so what's your problem

>>38626383
yeah psychology is a huge meme. Not a real degree/field of science at the very least. Just to let you know psychiatry is different than psychology though, psychiatry is a professional degree I think.

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>>38626383
Therapy is a fucking sham. Only go to Psychiatrists, and only then for drugs.

>>38626403
i've been through the two of them now
at least for me nothing has changed

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The problem with psychology is that they can't actually force you to improve your life. My big problem is that I'm a depressed sack of shit with no motivation or energy. I KNOW what I have to do to get my life on track, I just lack the dedication or drive to go through the steps. How are you supposed to help someone like that? Not with words, that's for sure.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy

Sort of relieved to learn this was not original.

therapy is for people who legitimately have an iq of 85

>>38626383
is your psychologist a woman?

>>38626383
Therapy is only useful for normalfags who need to vent by yapping away at somebody. Psychiatry is only useful if you have some severe mental illness like schizophrenia that can be controlled with drugs. Don't fall for the jew pills if you're only depressed or anxious

>>38626383
OP I'm going to armchair psychology you better than your shitty shrink has in under 10 posts, guaranteed.

Are you depressed and/or have social anxiety, and if so, what do you think is the reason for your feelings? I'm guessing it's a shitty homelife, unsatisfying social interaction from people you don't care about, difficulty with romantic relationships and a stifled sex life.

>>38626383
>"So what's your problem, anon?"
>"I dunno"
>"Alright... were you sexually abused?"
>"I dunno"
>"Any traumatic events?"
>"I dunno"
Bruh

>>38626383
>i don't know, isn't helping me descover what's wrong your job

Huh? How could you not know?

I mean it's easy to know. Like I'm a depressed piece of shit because I have crippling anxiety and panic attacks. Fucking simple.

>>38626383
it only works for normies.

>>38626383
Psychiatry* not Psychology. Just get a new one, obviously she's incompetent.

>>38626803
OP answer >>38626739

you want insight, don't you?

>>38626383
>female psychiatrist

Transverse CALLE

>>38626792
I'll add, I've been going to a therapist for a few years and made some noticeable improvements. I had to go through 3 or 4 before I found one I liked though. And you have to actually work with them, they can't just look at you and tell you how to fix your brain.

>>38626739
>extreme anxiety problems
>so depressed i don't feel sad or cry anymore
>just feel devoid of any and all hope of ever feeling anything again
>mother doesn't give 2 moldy fucks about me
>father is a militarfag so he isn't around
>
after years of brainstorming i've come to the conclusion that i lack something, maybe it's an goal or the desire to have one specific thing
but it's something deeper, i can't put it into words and because of this normal treatment is impossible
i don't want to live, it's tiresome and it doesn't pay off
i don't want to die because just like i have no reason to live, i have none to die either
so here i sit, stuck in achievement limbo

>>38626916
did you grow up with your family being so neglectful? have you ever had a relationship with someone who cared about you?

when did your apathy start? when did your lack of desire to live start?

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>>38626383
>refuse to open up
>refuse to admit any problems
>treat the psychiatrist as a scapegoat for your problems
>make a bitchy post about how you did this for 5 weeks and you're angry that this shit isn't magic

anon can you even fucking see the problem or are you that delusional

>>38626900
That requires work, though. That's the problem people fall into: they think they can show up somewhere, throw some money around, and then things are magically fixed. They claim rationality, but absolutely refuse to open up to any perspective that isn't negative as fuck. No matter how much CBT can suggest methods of personal responsibility as it comes to mental health, these people will never learn how to challenge their own thoughts. That requires discipline and self control, and who needs that when you can feign rationality and conclude that you are right.

>>38626970
yes yes we all know that it's retarded to blame other people for your problems, but most psychologists are disgustingly inept

let me talk to OP for a few posts before you write him off. I'm positive he just needs guided questions like I did and so many other people do

>>38626916
Did you tell all that to the psych? Because that's a lot to work with

>>38626383
Damn that sure is a nice portrait of Chris chan

Psychotherapy only works if you're willing to be an active participant your own recovery. The psychiatrist doesn't know you, so of course they aren't going to be able to tell you what's wrong with you if you're not actually telling them anything.

Although, you're probably a schizoid or schizophrenic if you're so disconnected from your own emotions that you can't even tell a psychiatrist why you're seeing them.

>>38626995
>inept
you're such a fucking manchild you can't even see how autistic you sound.

it's not the psychiatrist's fault if you don't say shit. it takes two consenting people do figure shit out and op is burning bridges left and right.

you aren't going to fix shit you stupid fuck, stop trying.

>>38626970

Results should and can start happening from the first session. Your pussified post reeks of ignorant arrogance.

>>38627036
>you're probably a schizoid or schizophrenic if you're so disconnected from your own emotions that you can't even tell a psychiatrist why you're seeing them
Or a literal autist

>>38626967
yes, from the moment of birth the only person to ever care for me was my father, and like i said he's in the military so we didn't have much time together
and about my apathy, i think i've started feeling like this when i was 8 yo (at least that's when i noticed it)
the moment i realized the harder i tried, the less it payed off was the moment i internally gave up


>>38627019
yes, and that's the problem
basically she said i had a lot of symptoms that were contrary to each other, and because of that she couldn't determine my illness

>>38627050
>Results should and can start happening from the first session
only if the manchild in question says shit all about himself. What, do you think he/she is a fucking mind reader? that's a sign of autism if you think the things only you know are well known to everyone outside your mind.

>>38627038
if I could encourage OP to communicate within one anonymous post on an imagboard and his psychiatrist couldn't do the same thing in weeks it's obvious that his psychiatrist is inept. I'm not trying to fix OP, I just want to help him understand himself a little better when I have a disgusting amount of experience with bad psychologists and psychiatrists and years of experience with good ones who have helped me understand ways to feel better through a variety of different things.

>>38626383
Why did you go in the first place? What problems were you experiencing?

>>38627113
i went mainly to get meds for anxiety which is seriously fucking my life
i kenw it was a meme, but i didn't expect it to be this bad

>>38627050
No, they can't just start happening from ONE session. You're an idiot.
The first session or two is for identifying problems and building a plan to get results. That requires communication, which requires time.

>>38627097
so one mentally ill person is more qualified to help someone also mentally ill over text over somoene face to face that has studied extensively on how to communicate and share information for the mentally ill

this whole thread is out of synch. op expects magic and telepathy and you think projecting your issues and sharing your trauma is going to be more effective. whatever, I'm done with this stupid thread.

>>38627077
I can relate to those feelings of giving everything you have and never having it pay off. it breeds depression and apathy. what's the point in trying if nothing ever changes? you've never (likely) experienced anything to the contrary so you're experiencing extreme depression, apathy and even though every inch of you is likely screaming for stimulation and something to live for and feel good about, nothing helps.

>>38627128
your anxiety likely stems from the social isolation. you didn't get critical interaction at an early age so now as an adult you're underdeveloped and you don't know how to catch up. you want meds to help you cope.

meds are not the answer to your problems. your problems are situational. you need actual, physical experience with people who care about you. I highly fucking recommend joining some social groups online to help you integrate into a community that can understand your social anxiety and give you positive social support, without the risk that IRL interaction carries.

one more post after this

>>38627077
So, you told her you were depressed and had anxiety problems and she couldn't determine you had clinical depression or an anxiety disorder? I feel like there's something you're not telling us here

>>38627162
most psychologists and psychiatrists are normies that spent 4-10 years reading textbooks and talking to other normies. they interact with someone outside of their realm of experience, don't know how to help and throw medication at them. once they're pacified and can't really respond they deem them a success and it happens over and over and over again.

I'm someone who can relate to OP, who had experience with the whole profession and can try and help him with the things that have helped me. enjoy your other threads bruh but I want to talk here.

>>38627050
I don't know what world you live in but i really don't think much happens in the first session, especially with people that negative

>>38627038
No, that anon is correct. I agree OP and other posters have a disgustingly negative outlook, but this isn't all that untrue of a statement that generalizes to most fields of endeavor. I've personally had therapists that could not hold eye contact, spit out mindless aphorism after aphorism, and literally sat there while I moved the conversation along and felt honestly close to giving HER a therapy session, all while eying the clock and just waiting for the session to be over so they can finish another day of work.

Even then, it's not unheard of that certain therapists are better for certain patients. I've had therapists who I had tons of success with, and honestly the best quality she had was just being extremely personable and easy to open up to.

>>38626739
Kek this sounds like the pitch you might see on a low budget commercial for a local business.

>Are the feels getting to be too much? Can even Best Girl not make your kokoro doki-doki any more?
>Call Dr. Wojak for a free consultation. We guarantee to have you diagnosed and on the pharmacutical jew in 10 posts or less or your NEETbux back!
>Other firms will only treat the normie symptoms. Only Dr. Wojak is proven to diagnose and treat your special snowflake brand of robot mental illness !
>What are you waiting for? Don't delay call today!
>Y-you too!

>>38627128
>want meds for anxiety
>be standoffish and basically tell the psychiatrist to guess what your problem is
>upset this doesn't work well
What the fuck? Just tell them you feel anxiety and that it doesn't seem to be associated with any particular reason. There's literally a condition just for describing anxiety without a specific cause, it's called generalized anxiety. You could've gotten your benzos a lot easier if you did some research and came in with a plan instead of counting on someone else to spontaneously give you what you want by guessing.

Why don't your just a new therapist if she not working out for you? It's 2017, grow up and learn how to shop for yourself.

>>38627219
ok so you just strawman Psychiatrists as these people who will never understand.

when in reality they spend years observing and understanding mental illness. by the time they go to school they will have already gone to a hospital in a psyche ward to train on their behaviours.

You are probably so fucked in the head your only option is being
sedated so you won't endanger other people.

>>38627286
I've been seeing a psychiatrist and psychologist that literally saved my life for nearly two solid years, after nearly a decade of abuse from disgusting quacks that didn't know what the fuck they were on about, who put me on meds that destroyed my body and mind. I respect legitimate psychologists and psychiatrists. I legitimately hate the fuckers who use that title only to abuse helpless patients.

>>38627223
and that's a wrap folks, exactly what happened with me
she would just ask the same questions over and over, and miss the point everytime

even after i told her "anxiety is really getting in the way of my life" she still wouldn't stop asking trauma-related questions

>>38627319
that's fair.

oreo

>were you molested
>no
>were you abused
>I don't think so
>are you sure
>yes
>I don't know what's wrong. Here's some pills

>>38626383
My two attempts with therapists/Psychiatrists we're like this:
>Saw them over the course of months
>The first sessions, they're just trying to understand what's wrong
>I explain, "I'm unhappy with the nature of my existence. What I mean is, I have spent a lot of time considering the nature of my lot in life, and I've come to find that at the basest components of any aspect of life, there is nothing but absurdity and meaninglessness there."
>"You're just overthinking things. You need to lighten up."
>"That's a fair statement, but even still, if I distract myself from the meaninglessness of my existence, I am only placating the tide of reality that is beyond the shore of my mind."
>"Okay, well go outside or something. Get some fresh air."
>I stare her dead in the eyes and explain, "I am not depressed, I am enlightened to the meaninglessness of our life. The air of this world is pregnant with an immense sadness. I am not suicidal. I can still function. But I need you to show me for what purpose this life is worth living."

Spent months discussing my observations on life with various therapists and psychiatrists that she invited to join us. They basically thought I was a loon. Turns out I have bipolar disorder and that I need to calm down because being forward with people about how their feelings are fleeting really rocks the boat.

>>38627387
you sound like you're full of rhetorics and you won't even listen to the psych, you just want to share your shitty poetry with someone.

>>38627433
this
there's nothing enlightened about feeling like your life has no meaning
life only has the meaning that you assign to it

>>38627387
>"I am not depressed, I am enlightened to the meaninglessness of our life. The air of this world is pregnant with an immense sadness. I am not suicidal. I can still function. But I need you to show me for what purpose this life is worth living."

lmao m8 that ain't nobody's job but yours.

The real issue is firstly that a huge number of robots who talk about going to psychologists are going to female psychologists. Now I'm not saying that women are naturally useless or anything - but the vast majority of women don't have the slightest idea of the 'male experience'. Even the poorest women are privileged by default. Most 18 year old women aren't looking at themselves feeling unwanted, untolerated, wondering how they'll ever be able to provide for themselves yet alone for a wife, etc. No woman in all of human history ever had to genuinely worry about being forced into hard labour or conscripted or drafted or gang-pressed. Most women aren't even mentally concerned with the type of things men are. So much of the time you're going to get airheaded responses.

My next point is that your issues aren't just "psychological", that's retarded - they are physiological (possibly chronic masturbation and porn use [notice that whenever people in mainstream culture talk about the negatives of porn, it's always in terms of women, not men], poor diet, lack of exercise, lack of touch perhaps), intellectual (you might spend vast amounts of time focused on moment to moment things that fascinate or amaze you, neglecting to spend time on overcoming major issues in your life - in fact you may be avoidant of those issues and seek mental solace in 4chan posting), spiritual (you may genuinely experience little hope of love in the foreseeable future, you may have been hurt by people and not realise there are good people out there because you're only young and have a limited experience and don't even KNOW how limited your experience is). These are all minor examples - but the point is to get real help you'd need someone who is WISE in a genuine sense, not just someone who can suggest anti-depressants or mind exercises.

Also no psychologist will ever invest in you significant amounts of mental time to overcoming your issues. The will think of you during your appointment.

>>38627433
Naw dawg.

I just read a lot and think about the nature of my existence.

I have this fucked up idea that I've gathered somewhere along the way that life is just a big mish-mash of components, and that if you actually disassemble those components and examine them, you find that nothing is truly as fulfilling or engrossing as it first seems. Don't get me wrong, there is happiness to be shared and things to be experienced, but a cookie is just a cookie. You eat it, then that shit is gone forever.

Just like us. We're dust in the wind, my man.

>>38627333
That's unfortunate, Anon, but that happens sometimes from car mechanics to doctors to waiters to cashiers to what have you. Don't make too many assumptions based off a bad experience. Reflect on what went wrong and why it went wrong, and try to learn how to improve your next possible appointment. Unfortunately you do sort of have to shop around for the right therapist within your medical coverage.

Literally go and start writing down things you want to talk about with a new potential therapist. Go in with a plan and communicate as effectively as possible. CBT holds a lot of validity. Don't let one dumb cunt ruin your perspective on anything.

>>38627128
Your mistake was going to a therapist. You want to go to a psychiatrist for meds. Another anon posted something about self fulfilling prophecies which could be the reason why this experience was pointless.

>>38627463
You can come up with a meaning to your life, but even if you completely fulfill that purpose, it means nothing after you're gone.

Even if you do something that lasts a long time, it too will eventually crumble to dust.

And you can say that you have found a meaning for your life, but even that "feeling" is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

tfw still waiting for OP

>>38626739
I'm depressed and anxious. I think the reason why is because I'm afraid of getting rejected, I'm afraid of my dreams and I'm afraid of failure. I always felt like I was left out and feel like everything I do is a failure.

>>38627576
So then who gives a fuck? Why are you wasting time asking people to give you purpose who inevitably can't? You're like the atheist that invites the JW's or Mormons in and debates with them endlessly.

>>38627387
>there is nothing but absurdity and meaninglessness there.
>i am not depressed
>The air of this world is pregnant with an immense sadness

These all contradict each other. You are projecting your sadness onto the world. The world is not "sad". The world is entirely more complex than any human emotion. Trying to personify it accordingly is foolish and honestly gay as fuck.

Once you REALLY come to understand how absurd the world is, you'll stop being such a cunt and you'll chill the fuck out. .

>>38627576
t. someone who has never struggled once in their life and have no idea what great sensation it is to be a needed member of a group of people struggling together

>>38627503
>I have this fucked up idea that I've gathered somewhere along the way that life is just a big mish-mash of components, and that if you actually disassemble those components and examine them, you find that nothing is truly as fulfilling or engrossing as it first seems.

Why is that fucked up? You said earlier that these ideas don't make you depressed, rather that you're "enlightened" by them. If none of these things are problems for you, why think about them in the first place?

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>>38626383
>psychiatrist is baffled at the fact that her little DSM doesn't work on me
do you understand how utterly retarded you sound m8?

>>38627652
someone answered this post before you and I gave them the most honest answer I could so I'm going to do the same for you with much less information

it sounds to me like you have never had a genuine challenge
you have never had someone actually confront you
you have never had your goals in jeopardy
you feel as if you're left our and as if everything you do is a failure but your failures have had no consequence
what you're really afraid of is of something that matters, and you want that
you're depressed because your life has given you nothing of substance and you're anxious because you've never had anything to be genuinely anxious of. I want you to feel genuine things and experience emotion and get out of your depression, but that will never happen if you don't live your life. if you don't step outside of your home and interact with other human beings in a way that will make them want to like you. in a way that's considerate of their feelings and emotions and thoughts and likes and dislikes. you know what I mean?

>>38627576
>You can come up with a meaning to your life, but even if you completely fulfill that purpose, it means nothing after you're gone.

Only narcissists care about things like this. The rest of us just do what we can while we're here and try and make the most of it.

>>38627666
How are those things "contradictory"? You don't have to be depressed to exist in a world that is inherently filled with organisms that are constantly trying to eat one another and experience pleasure for the sake of filling the void within.

Name ONE THING that is worth doing that isn't just an empty attempt at staving of the constant reminder of our mortality. Name a single thing that isn't standing in a specific location, experiencing a temporary feel good thing, doing something for attention, or making something in an attempt to put your name on it. One thing.

>>38627819
Creating life. Saving a life. Extending a life. Being a doctor, a mother, an EMT, a solder, a combat medic, a shitposter helping a suicidal robot. Anyone that lives to help another. Fuck you.

>>38627894
>that isn't just an empty attempt at staving of the constant reminder of our mortality

faggot nigger

>>38627819
>How are those things "contradictory"?
Because you seem completely unable to see a single thing as positive as evident by the rest of your post. There are many things to be grateful for. You ate today, right? I'm sure the reason you are so ungrateful is because you've never once EARNED the right to eat. You've never earned your existence and you therefore take it for granted.

>Name ONE THING
Fire. Humans create and give warmth. World is meaningless? CREATE MEANING.

>but it's so futile wahhhhhhh
Tough shit. Grow some nuts. If you can't maintain your own fire, die.

>>38627387
>>38627503
>>38627576
>>38627819

I really hope you are underage, anon, because this is the most angsty and teenage shit I have read in a decent amount of time and it's kind of pissing me off.

You're not special for realizing that nothing in life has any inherent meaning. Most people who aren't utterly bluepilled, for lack of a better term, realize this at some point growing up. There's nothing you can do about it. Your best bet is to try to find actions to take in life that have value to you and try to make the world a little bit less shitty.

It sounds like you want closure with the ambiguity and pointlessness of shit, and you're never going to, man. But guess what, you don't have to. You don't need closure with everything. And in a way, your therapist was right, you are overthinking things. When you sat down to play Monopoly with your friends when you were a kid, were you just like "Aw man, what's the point? None of this really matters. This money isn't real, and everything goes back in the box when we're done." No. Get over yourself, dude.

>>38627709
And what if you're wrong? What if I've experienced the full spectrum of things there are to experience? What if I've been to the highs and lows, and have lost people dear to me?

What if I'm a 26 yo shitposting who's being honest and open for once and I'm just trying to find the answers and meaning for m life, but when I open the book of my life I see nothing there.

Since I was old enough to conceptualize these things I've been asking these questions and seeking legitimate answers, and all I've ever gotten were half-assed feel good answers.

"Life is what you make of it."
I've tried. I really did. I still am, and I will keep trying for as long as I live.

I'm just afraid.

>>38627819
Your questions have no definitive answers, and even if any of us were somehow able to convince you otherwise, they would be subjective and ultimately would not satisfy you.

You need to get out of your head and find your place in the world. All of these thoughts are completely arbitrary and likely a defense mechanism buffering against a deep-seated fear of making real connections with real people.

If anything, it may help if you could figure out why you're so hellbent on angsting over the inherent meaninglessness of life, rather than trying to coexist within it.

>>38627949
>that isn't just a desperate attempt from good people at making themselves something more than a selfish sack of shit

>>38628016
Please post the full extent of your highs and lows. If you've experienced even a fraction of what I've experienced I'll be impressed.

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>>38626582
probably false, possibly pants-on-fire rating there. nice

>>38628016
Have you ever read the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy? There's a section that I'll paraphrase: eventually you stop asking "why we eat" and start asking "where should we eat". As in, stop focusing on this shit. Yeah, life doesn't quite have answers, but that's so fantastic. It leaves open so many possibilities. You can go get Thai or Indian or go hit up that bomb ass random mexican food stand that popped up down the street. Just go do some shit. The world is full of so much cool, interesting shit. Go eat.

>>38626383
Yep i did the same thing except i told him about my problems.
I did this for a year and it didnt really change ANYTHING.
I was still depressed and still hatefull and untrusting.
I guess its like magic, some people fall for it and they clap and laugh.
Or others will watch in silence and think about how much the fucker is making from this sham.
Thats us

>>38628159
you had a shitty psych.

I've been seeing my psychiatrist and psychologist for two years.

in the first session my psychiatrist looked at my entire history and determined the best meds to put me on at the time, in the weakest dose possible to avoid bad side effects. she said if we say any even slight noticable improvement we'd increase them. we did. and a year later I was right as fucking rain.

my psychologist took note of EVERYTHING everyone else did and developed a plan. we started exposure therapy and it hurt and it was the worst thing I've ever done but it fixed me. it helped me. it made me better. it hurt but it worked my dude, and he is to thank. as hard as it was, (and I never want to do i again), he got me to a point where I can not only function but thrive, despite severe OCD. that's commendable beyond the average commendation.

>>38628147
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>>38628021
>>38628006
And here's the other thing. It's not just that life is meaningless. That is bearable. Like one Anon just said, that's something that everyone must face. I'm not saying that I have it harder than anyone else, I'm saying that whatever mechanism that other people have that allows them to become unaware of it doesn't work for me.

I don't know how to convey the other thing that I can't seem to face. It basically comes down to, how do I become complacent with the system that's in place? I'm really open to a discussion on this. Why do I have to get up every day and make money for someone else? Even if I work for myself and started my own business, I still have to pay in to this system that I don't like.

There is literally no alternative. And I know that I'm not the first one to acknowledge that, but if that's the case, why does it still happen? If everyone knows our life is fucked, why don't we do something about it? What could we do?!

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>>38626383
>psychiatrist is baffled at the fact that her little DSM doesn't work on me
Yes OP you're a special little snowflake who's so dark and edgy and mentally disturbed that none of those normie mental health experts can figure you out.

>>38626900
If you have to go to a therapist to get the same kind of advice/help a close friend would give for free then you are a sap and a failed human being.

>>38628331
what the fuck sort of robot do you think has close friends to talk to?

>>38626487
Fear, anon, fear. I'm like you but I don't have a mummy and daddy to let me live with them and suckle their teats. I have the fear of failure because if I fail im homeless with nowhere to go. Fear rides over depression and no motivation in the morning because if I don't go to work I can't pay bills.


If /r9k/ didn't have shitty soft parents they wouldn't be so useless

>>38628366
It's more of a dignity thing.

Like some virgin robots would scoff at the idea of seeing a prostitute.

A therapist is basically a mental prostitute.

>>38628305
you need to accept that either you accept the mechanisms that are in place or risk your life fighting for it. We are in 1984.I am on a watchlist for making this post. You fight and you succeed or your waste away trying. Do what you must if you genuinely want to make a difference but the rest of us just want comfort and security.

>>38628305
There's this chemical called serotonin that does exactly what you seek. You probably have fried your serotonin path ways to shit chasing dopamine hit after dopamine hit like most modern people. Find a way to repair it (do some research and you may feel content yet.

>Go to therapist
>Don't discuss problems
>Expect another human being to unlock the secrets of your mind
>WAAAAAAAAAAAH
What the fuck did you expect? Sitting in silence answering with a single word to each question would somehow help?

>>38626383
Do you start out all interactions by acting like an asshole? If so, that might be your problem.

>tfw OP gave up on me before I had a chance to help him

>>38626621
I think most are and they're absolute shit at it, no matter if it's therapist psychiatrist or psychologist SPECIFICALLY ask for a man

>>38627254
jesus christ
I thought I had seen all memes

find a Gestalt therapist. It'll work