Ruff ruff. Communist Doge here. Seize means of production

>>38582548
The only reason why the Soviets won the second world war was because of Lend and Lease from the US and the UK. If they did't supply the Soviets with much need food, guns and ammunition that country and global communism would have collapsed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI9Vo35QKE8

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>>38582843
then how come the nazi invasion already ground to a halt before the first lend-lease supplies arrived?
lend-lease simply quickened the inevitable and was a political tool to prevent the USSR negotiating a separate peace

>>38582890
>then how come the nazi invasion already ground to a halt before the first lend lease supplies arrived?

Are you fucking retarded, lend and lease started on October 1st 1941 while the germans where ganing ground. Typical soviet revisionists. And no without lend and lease that shit soviet economy would of collapsed.

>>38582548
What if I'm neither a Nazi or a communist?

>>38582938
started
on paper
first supplies earmarked for the USSR didn't arrive there until 1942 once Persia had stabilised and the ports had thawed

if the economy would have collapsed without it how come the vital industry still functioned after being moved deep into the interior, the Germans managed to cut the Moscow rail lines and the Union still managed to survive?

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Borke borke. Nazi Dodge here now. Sieg heil and watch over 3.3 million communists die

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>>38582980
And? Even if it started in 1942 the germans got a lot of ground during the summer of '42. And no the germans didn't cut of the moscow rail lines since operation typhoon failed are you retarded? They where able to survive even with MASSIVE military casualties because the allies supplied them with trucks, tanks, food, good etc. Stop lying to yourself without lend and lease the Soviets would have collapsed. Did you ever look at the death count for the soviets?

>>38582980
also the british supplied the soviets even before lend and lease through the port of Murmansk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Silver_Fox

>>38583022
Yes they did, it was part of isolating the Baku oil fields and Leningrad, still managed to produce

>>38583075
>6.5% of Soviet tanks
wow what an incredible figure, really changed the war

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>>38582548
Social democracy is the most sensible leftist ideology. It fosters the balance between private property and the welfare state.

>>38583075
Speaking of the British, it seems weird that we supplied them with almost three times the lend-lease value we supplied to the Soviets yet their impact on the Allied victory was comparatively negligible.

>>38583103
>6.5% of soviet tanks

Are you really saying that didn't have any effect what so ever? 6.5% of tanks could of had a major effect on stalingrad or kursk or their offensives in 1944. 6.5% might not seem alot but it makes a difference but your too deep in the soviet revionist history to understand.

And the point is germany was able to launch offensives in 1942 which you claimed they didn't.

>>38583137
We weren't trying to have them win, we were trying to cannibalise their empire, we wanted their bases, we wanted their technology, we wanted to strip them of everything that made them an empire so we could hold that title after the war

>>38583154
wow yes I'm sorry clearly producing 93.5% of their own tanks wasn't enough to save them and it was that 6.5% that saved them completely, they could never have won without it
so what if germany launched offensives in 1942, they were launching offensives on the western front in 1944, doesn't mean they had a chance of winning

>>38583201
your retarded to compare german offesnives in 1942 which had gains of THOUSANDS of miles and german offensives in 1944 in france that could barely take back a small village. And again 6.5% could make a HEAVY difference in lets say stalingrad where you had the germans controlling 90% of the city but yea SOVIETS WHERE UNSTOPPABLE. even though their casualty count was exponentially higher than germany.

>>38583229
yes, German offensives in 1942 were larger scale than the ones in 1944, in case you haven't noticed the USSR is a larger country than Belgium or France and the Germans put far more troops in the Union than on the Western Front, still doesn't mean they had any chance of success
Soviet death rates were highly skewed because of German racial theories resulting in extremely high death toll of POWs, civilian resistance movements and harsh Nazi reprisals,as well as 1941 being a complete surprise on the Soviet side, controlled for those factors Soviet casualty ratios are approximately only 1.3:1 in favour of the Germans, the Germans could simply not win the war

>>38583313
Again, germany controled 90% of stalingrad, and you think 6.5% more tanks wouldn't of made a difference in that? And im talking about military casulties in battles. Even until early 1944 soviet casualties in battles were MUCH higher than germans im assuiming you haven't read really any historical books on this and just quote your friends on lefty pol. And germany can defeat the soviet union its pretty simple but im not sure i wanna lay it out since where on /r9k/ and im debating a commie. It really is as simple as a civil war during 1941-1942 or germany takes lenningrad and or moscow in 1942. Historians debate this topic all the time and simply saying "germans could simply not win the war" is beyond irrational.

>>38583383
for example of HIGH soviet military casualties even in 1945 in Courland latvia which germans and latvians where surrounded on all sides soviets still have a higher casualty count despite always being on the offensive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courland_Pocket

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>>38582890
>kike elites used all the resources to stamp out fascism when it existed
>somehow an argument about the merits of fascism
>mfw gommies trying to meme
I sorta feel sorry for you /leftypol/ twats. You try really hard to emulate /pol/, put your heart and soul into these shitty forced memes only for them to invariably fall flat. You know why that is? Here, lemme help - for memes to catch on they need to reference reality

>>38583461
they are retarded and this commie really thinks Germany could win even though without lend and lease. EVEN IN 1943 the soviet union had wanted a peace deal similar to Brest-Litovsk

>>38583484
>Soviet union could win even without lend and lease.
fixed

>>38582548
communism: the loser's ideology.

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>>38582548
Distributism is a vastly superior alternative.

Also this isn't /pol/.