Which historical figure would you kill to make the world

>>38575199
muhammad..............marx too tho

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>>38575199

He set the world back like 200 years.

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>>38575199
Muhammed. Communism would probably have been invented by some other guy if Marx died, but Islam certainly wasn't inevitable.

>>38575199
>Adam or Eve

or for sciencefags Lucy

>killing an academic

Do you think this will stop communism? It won't sorry. The world doesn't work like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHomETco0MI

>>38575401
>implying Marx was an academic and not a sad twisted little fuck that should have been snuffed out like the insignificant worthless fuck he was

but still, you are probs right about some other POS coming up with it

>>38575458

Why are you so angry?

How about an idea: stop shitting on the poor and they will stop attempting socialism/communism.

Jesus Christ you guys are incredible.

Gavrilo Princip.
The guy who killed Archduke Franz Ferdinand and indirectly is responsible for WW1.
It may be that a great war would have happened anyways still would take the chance.

>>38575199

>Muhammad
>Karl Marx

I'm going to go way back and kill Abraham before he had any kids and snuff out the problem at its source.

>>38575545
I am ticked because marxism and maxists have killed 100 million people. not ticked at you bro, I said you were right

Im not s***ting on the.....I AM POOR. most of the people I know that are far left are rich college kids from Connecticut whose daddies gave em trust funds....

who are "you guys"?

Deepthroat, because a successful Nixon presidency would've set this country up for greatness.

>>38575640
How can you argue that the world would be better off without WWI? It greatly advanced technology and was part of the two wars that led to international peace.

Whoever I would need to kill to prevent UK/USA from entering WW1

>>38575656
Wouldn't those communist dictators have killed millions of their own people, independent of communism?

>>38575640
Indirectly he also caused WW2. Gavrilo Princip is literally he person who affected the 30th century the most.

>>38575749
Probably, though not as many. The Chinese and Russians are known for their rather brutal dictators at times.

>>38575749
no....the comm. govts. wouldnt exist....sure some countries already had dictatorships, but not the total, systematic oppression of the mind...an author in china once said "under shang kia sheck we had no freedom of speech, but under mao we had no freedom of thought" the only non communist dictatorship to rise to communist levels of systematic brutality and death were the nazis, and they modeled the one party system and death camps off of lenin....

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Martin fucking Luther.

>>38575850
no............protestant here....no christian enemies brother

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Mohammed
>Less of a slave trade in Africa
>Persia/Iran would be a Zoroastrian superpower
>No India/Bangladesh/Pakistan split, superpower also
>Tons more white people in the world: In Anatolia, Egypt, etc
>Lots more Orthodox Christians(superior to both idolator Catholics and autistic fundamentalist Protestants)

>>38575199
The last Roman leaders. Without them the world was put into the Dark Ages which put the world back farther than any other person in the world.

>>38575935
I'd also kill Muhammed as well. It was certainly inevitable. Seriously one of the longest lasting cancers of humanity.

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>>38575850

God: Don't build statues of anything in Heaven.
Catholics: Yeah, but blah blah blah

Also, your pope is demanding Europe allow rapefugees in and says some Atheists will get into heaven. How can you Catholic apologists possible defend this?

>>38576035
>Sola Scriptura
>let's remove books from the Bible lol
Lmao

>>38575199
Constantine so that Europe would keep it's true religion and not be tainted by sand niggers and kikes

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>>38576035

>Dad is a (mostly cultural) Catholic and Catholic groups send him offers, stuff like $50 for a jar of sacred healing oil
>Dead saint is wheeled into the local cathedral. Despite his body being "incorrupt" all the skin has been replaced by wax. Catholics gather to pray over him
>One spring a few years back, meltwater leaks out of highway overpass concrete and it looks vaguely woman-shaped. Catholics gather to worship it.
>MFW Catholics will defend this insanity

>>38575656

So you don't blame colonialism and neo-colonialism for killing 100s of millions of people, but you blame Marxism?
Ever thought about the fact that Marxism was a reaction to colonialism and imperialism?

>>38575807
>Indirectly

oh, so the Versailles treaty was drafted by Gavrilo Princip himself?
You know, I can draw up a similar cause and effect flow chart for literally anyone in the world. Why not blame Lord Rothschild instead or literally anyone in British finance/government?
Why not Tsar Nicholas II for being useless and not preventing the 1905 revolution?
Black hand was probably financed by either the Germans or the British anyway - do you think if Princip died they wouldn't have paid someone else to do it?

>>38575839
Yeah, but the Chinese and Russians traditionally have larger populations and more authoritarian forms of government: you think the Chinese Emperors didn't kill millions of their own people? The only reason they killed less than the Communists was because they lived at an earlier time in history when China didn't have as many people.
And the Russians had brutal dictators...What about the Tsars? You don't consider them "dictators". Why, because they wore crowns and sat on thrones?

>>38575848
>but not the total, systematic oppression of the mind.

That's not a feature of communism per se: that's a feature of the 20th century in general, due to increases in population, increased urbanisation (which splits up families into easily controllable individuals), improvements in technology and funds available to governments.
Nazism was the same, Western media brainwashing is the same.
And by the way, the Soviet Union was a state capitalist economy, not communist. After the 1920s it an imperialist project to restore the Russian Empire.

>they modeled the one party system and death camps off of lenin....

Source? Concentration camps were created by the US in 1838 for Native Americans and then used by the British in the Boer War.

>>38576184
>Yeah, but the Chinese and Russians traditionally have larger populations and more authoritarian forms of government: you think the Chinese Emperors didn't kill millions of their own people? The only reason they killed less than the Communists was because they lived at an earlier time in history when China didn't have as many people.
>And the Russians had brutal dictators...What about the Tsars? You don't consider them "dictators". Why, because they wore crowns and sat on thrones?
I'm agreeing with you, dude.

>>38576082
God damn, yes.

Please this.

Also pin the murder on Christians

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>>38576082

Paganism was probably doomed anyways. Christianity offered more in terms of hope for a good afterlife.

And Atheism just creates a lacuna that gets filled by Islam or decadence(and the attendant low birthrate, drug abuse, etc).

So basically, you have a choice between Christianity and Islam. Even if Christianity were BS(it isn't) it's to our advantage to spread it and encourage revival.

Hitler. Spares a lot of lives and prevents the creation of Israel.

ITT: retards that think history literally depends on the actions of a single person. You should all be ashamed of your low mongoloid IQ desu.

>>38576298
If you have Israel you have somewhere to expel the Jewish people to.

>>38576331

Sorry anon, but history is made by great men. Ex:
>Alexander the Great goes into Arabia instead of India
>Some ancestor of Mohammed is killed or displaced
>Modern world is completely unrecognizable

Study some actual history and not Jared Diamond type bullshit.

>>38575306
>>38575935

It's almost like you learned history through pop culture and have no idea what actually happened or what these people actually did or didn't do.

>>38576286
Don't paint all of Europe's native religions under one brush retard, there was fucking tons of them, Rome collapsed under Christian degeneracy

>>38576331

>ITT: retards that think history literally depends on the actions of a single person

Well, sometimes it does, actually. Especially in military history: one general's decision can determine the fate of a city for the next several hundred years.
One Tsar's decision determines whether a revolution is prevented or not.
Nicholas II could have easily given the order to crack down on the crowds in February 1917, but he didn't (because of his personality).

I'm not saying an individual determines the course of history, but an individual's actions can greatly affect how conflicts/tensions (i.e. the potential energy of history) are resolved and whether they are resolved at all.

Muhammad, Marx or Hitler (so we can live in a white continent, be pride to be white and nationalism would not be seen as 'literally nazism')

>>38576184
who said I was pro colonialism? colonialism was aimed at the "other", not members of your own nation, also, most native Americans died via disease, not "evil whites" imperialism and colonialism are both pre democratic, pre capitalist modes of operation....they are not political or economic ideas per se, they go back to the egyptians....who said I was pro tsar? the tsars were dictators, but they were content to (with 1-2 exceptions) rule over russia instead of tear it apart. what idiot does not consider the tsars dictators.....no more strawmen, pls.

western media brainwashing is not the same as wiping out 100 million people....and as stated, the methods and modes of Nazism and fascism were pioneered by the soviets. literally everything. a new political holy book (mein kampf, comm. mani.) a leader to worship, the elimination of the parliament, secret police, control of the pop. by indoctrination of the youth, one party system, burning of books, etc

>>38576286
Implying all the best parts of Christ cucks religions isn't stolen from pagan religions

>>38576462

>Christian degeneracy

What are your thoughts on Christian heroes who saved Europe from Mudslime invaders, like Charles Martell, Jan Sobieski, et al?

>>38576426
Or the other way around. Some Arab goatfucker decides to fuck his neighbor's goat instead of his own. He contracts gonorrhea (since his neighbor was fucking that goat and had those STDs) and his dick falls off. His son Muhammad is never born.

A goatfucker saved the world from the cancer that is Islam.

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>>38576426
>believes in great men history
>suggests I read some "actual history"
Kek, nice meme friend.

>>38576481
>be pride

proud.

>>38576175
You live in a world where Islam is widely and unironically considered a religion of peace. Why would you expect normie behaviour to make any sense?

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>>38576476
>he seriously believes a crack down would have prevented a revolution instead of immediately unleashing it
It's like you people intentionally try to be as retarded as humanly possible.

>>38576509
There would have been far more brutal warriors to defend Europe if that sand nigger kike religion never cucked us

>>38576429

> have no idea what actually happened or what these people actually did or didn't do.

Without Ghengis Khan's specific leadership qualities the Mongols might have not advanced as far as they did across Asia and might have not destroyed as many cities or wiped out as many people. Remember that the Mongol advance stopped when Temuchin died and none of his sons was able to re-take the initiative.
Example:
Afghanistan was an agricultural wonderland before the Mongols, with a centuries-old intricate system of irrigation that produced a lot of grain ever since the Achaemenids. The Mongols killed like 80% of the population of the whole region and destroyed cities such as Bactrae (now Balkh) and Herat. They also destroyed the kariz (underground irrigation tunnels) that have never been restored since and essentially doomed the country to petty tribal power conflicts and poverty for the coming centuries.

It was only 200 years later under the Timurids that culture was restored in Herat (which is why I said 200 years)

who was the first jew

>>38575199
The first Jew

>>38576717

Try the first Ashkenazi Jew. They're the manipulative parasites who control the banks, founded Israel, etc. The Sephardim and Mizrahim just do their own thing and leave everyone else alone.

>>38575199
The vast majority of "famous leaders" were riding the tides of existing ideas.

If you want to kill someone impactful, find an inventor who made something you don't like.

For example, if I was a peace-loving hippy I'd choose Fritz Haber
>Invented the haber process
>Better food + Better bombs = more life and more death
He's everything these "negative birth rate" hippies hate.

I would kill Sigmund Freud. He turned the study of the mind into occult witchcraft, matching symbols and symptomatic behaviors as if the mind was a rubik's cube. His theories were some of the most damaging to come out of his time.

Donald Trump. Now reee at me you alt right beta cucks

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>>38576777
Leave adam alone, he just wanted some fruit salad

>>38576806

>He turned the study of the mind into occult witchcraft, matching symbols and symptomatic behaviors as if the mind was a rubik's cube.

Wasn't that Carl Jung?

>>38576862
Ok to be fair we need to kill more than one of them.

>>38576608

It would depend on when the crackdown happened and what happened after it.
Of course past a certain point it would be too late (as it was), but the point is that a crackdown + immediate radical changes in policy would have saved the Empire.
The crackdown by itself wouldn't have done much but delay a revolution, true, but a crackdown can: 1. delay the revolution and afford the government time to implement necessary changes. 2. reinforce public fear of state power and authority. 3. reinforce public faith in the regime's solidity by showing military competence and ability to maintain control of the situation .

After a crackdown state concessions are also more effective in terms of appeasing the people.

Also the revolution was supported by the British (especially British diplomats/agents in St. Petersburg), which means a lot of the momentum for it came from outside rather than within. A crackdown would not eliminate the internal momentum, but it would cull the external momentum certainly, bringing the flames down a little.

But Nicholas did none of those things for 20 years apart from that one thing with the 1905 Duma.

>>38575724
WWI and WWI: part deux absolutely obliterated Euopean hegemony over the world. Attempts to distance ourselves from the Holocaust etc., one generation removed, led to the rise of liberalism in the 60s and the decline of Western Civilization.

>>38576683
And the Mongols connected China to Europe for the first time since...ever, and established peace throughout the entire Silk Road.

Further, the irrigation had mostly been wrecked during the so-called Islamic Golden Age in the violent civil wars the Caliphate (which was basically like the Soviet Union--technologically advanced but set up their own downfall). The Mongols basically set a brushfire that needed to be set.

Gorbacuck


Oregano

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>>38575656
> a critique of capitalism and political economy killed 100 million people

>killing Marx would stop communism
what about Engels? Engels wrote with Marx, so he'd probably just write on his own anyways.

Regardless, all Marx did was develop Marxism which was a critique of capitalism and a method of analysis.

read a book you niggers

>>38577292
>the implementation of communism doesn't mean that the ideology had any responsibility for those deaths
Do you hashtag #notallmuslims too? Brainlet

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>>38577235

>And the Mongols connected China to Europe for the first time since...ever,

Objectively untrue.
>map of Eurasia and Africa showing trade networks (870 AD [400 years before the Mongols])

The Silk Road trade routes allowed exchange of goods from Europe to China and back ever since the Roman Empire.
Actually part of the reason the Roman Empire fell was because its own industry outcompeted by cheaper goods coming in from the North India (the Kushans) and China (that should sound familiar btw).
Cicero actually wrote about this concern back in the first century AD (or BC, I forgot).

> the irrigation had mostly been wrecked during the so-called Islamic Golden Age in the violent civil wars the Caliphate

The Caliphate didn't raze cities to the ground and destroy agriculture. It needed agriculture because it was an agricultural civilisation and its whole economy/taxation system depended on grain production.

The Mongols on the other hand didn't give 2 shits about agriculture because they were tribal nomads; thus they didn't have any qualms about destroying ancient cities, irrigation systems, killing non-nomad agricultural populations.

Also during the Islamic Golden Age Afghanistan was de facto ruled by Turkic and later local Iranic dynasties anyway, which were relatively independent from the Caliphate.

As for comparing Caliphate w/ USSR, I agree they had a lot of similarities, although the reasons you give are completely incoherent.
The Caliphate was technologically advanced? How?
Set up their own downfall? That applies to all societies: Ibn Khaldun wrote about this back in the 14th century.
The Soviet Union was incomparably more centralised than the Caliphate: the Caliphate had all-powerful Amirs in all their emirate who held much more autonomy and power than any comparable local administration in the USSR, which led to the Caliphate splitting up. But the Soviet Union fell because Soviet elites wanted to get rich on trade with America.

Thanks to the butterfly effect there's really no way of knowing whether your murder would actually create the greater good or not.

You could kill person X and as a result the world ends up ten times shittier than it already is because that sets off a totally different chain of events that leads to someone ten times worse than X gaining ten times more control/influence.

>>38577771

>the implementation of communism

Oh, it's not like the Soviet Union was state monopoly capitalist, oh no.. that can't be... haha... that's crazy talk..haha

>>38575850
fuck you and fuck the church

Kaiser Wilhelm II. He royally fucked up by trying to make Germany an imperial power, rather than continuing to grow as a continental powerhouse, and ended up driving Britain France and Russia together, resulting in Germany's defeat in the First World War.

>>38578135

Should have listened to Bismarck and allied with Russia to take joint control of Eurasia instead of pissing off everyone in the world by trying to build an aggressive navy.

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>>38577973
we're reaching retardation levels that shouldn't even be possible

>>38575199
You kill Engels and end his funding. Marx then just becomes a lawyer or whatever and drops his bullshit. 2 birds - 1 stone.

>>38575199
Mohammad, but then again the butterfly effect would fuck everything up

>>38578336

>people get paid monetary wages for work on state-owned enterprises, which they then use to buy products in state-owned stores.
>not state monopoly capitalism.

https://libcom.org/forums/theory/lenin-acknowledging-intentional-implementation-state-capitalism-ussr-23032011

I agree about your retardation levels, friendo.

>>38578336

http://www.sinistra.net/lib/pro/whyrusnsoc.html#u4