>America can afford to spend trillions on bombing foreign

If we don't bomb foreign countries our Saudi overlords won't give us money

Somebody was paid to make the bomb
somebody was paid to drop the bomb
somebody was paid to make a report on the bomb dropping
Nobody was paid to fix your stupid shit because you made a poor life choice.
Nobody is going to give you this life saving drug that costs billions to research and produce for free because you are a useless sack of shit with no money.


Do you get it now? Eurocuck

>>38439945
It doesnt add up correct but lobbys and ignorant republicant believe you need 10 star destroyers for 23,47 trillion dollars.... sad stuff

>>38439995
how would it be your own choice to get cancer?

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>America can afford Billions of dollars feeding nigs and section 8 housing
>can't invest into shooting some rockets into space
>LMAAAOOOOO FIX DA PROBLEMS HERE FIRST WHITEY ON THE MOON

>>38440060
It wasn't anybody elses fucking choice why should I pay for your health care? Fuck you pay for your own

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>>38440081
He would be a fellow countryman though. Would you not help out a family member if they went into bad times?

>>38440203
I don't care about you at all. I'm not paying for your health care.

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>>38440081
>Paying for your healthcare? FUCK YOU STUPID SOCIALIST STOP ASKING FOR HANDOUTS
>Paying to bomb people I don't know? Yeah sure why not

>>38439945
>US gubment spends 1.2 trillion/year on medicaid
>The exact amount of money it would cost to nationalize healthcare

Are Americans retarded? All this shit for the sake of "capitalism"?

>>38439945
As you stretch the resources of the healthcare system, it suffers as a whole.
Keeping healthcare privatized at least keeps people from abusing the system, to a degree.

>>38440278
1 person will potentially kill me, the other is going to die of being a fatass. You tell me boss.

>>38439995
>Actually being brainwashed into believing in this shit

People are fucking stupid.

Because pharmaceutical and insurance companies have huge lobbying efforts within congress to keep legislation in place that allows them to bleed Americans dry, and common joe doesn't want to pay for anyone else's healthcare (even though the bill would mostly be footed by the ultra rich anyway) because temporarily embarrassed millionaires etc

>>38439995

> ITT: Rationalizing senseless warmongering and deny basic human rights

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>>38439945
I see you got banned from /pol/ for spamming these threads so you came here with the same picture and everything.

>>38440325
>being this much of a cuck they WANT to give away their hard earned money to somebody they don't fucking know
>>38440378
>"human rights"
Those don't exist for animals so why do they suddenly exist for us?

>>38439945
>He thinks the US spends more on it's military and 'world police' than it does on its social programs and healthcare.

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>>38440081
>what are inalienable rights

you don't like that, you move to a shithole third world shithole where people think cancer is caused by immoral thoughts.

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>>38439995
Please tell me your being ironic

>>38440320
>1 person will potentially kill me

>spend billions destabilizing countries through an aggressive pro-regime change policy
>also spend billions arming and financially backing the world's biggest supporter and propagator of religious extremism

Gee, what could possibly go wrong?

>>38440400
It works because EVERYONE pays money. Everybody puts in a portion of their money, and everyone is covered. You're not giving up money just for other people, by paying you're covering yourself as well.

Losing a bit of your money every paycheck is much easier than having to go into a huge amount of debt should something happen to you or your family member. You speak as if you're invincible, and nobody is.

>>38440400
introducing torture, chemical warfare, child labor and labor that ruins people's health tends to play havoc on social conditions. we aren't animals running around shitting on trees to mark our territory and only using the natural resources of a couple square kilometers of territory, behaving otherwise tends to turn people into territorial, unproductive cave people.

>>38440081
Everyone's taxes go into paying for healthcare, which includes you. It actually costs less than letting insurance companies rape your wallet.

>>38439945
because the government is owned by corporations like those that make bombs
so they get to use the governments money to pay for the bombs and make themselves rich

I'd rather get healthcare from hospitals than government offices. Seems pretty simple to me. Hospitals are good at healthcare, hell, it's how they make money. I'm less than pleased with the efficiency of government. Good at military or R&D, not much else.Don't 3rd worlders get upset that they have no choice in healthcare? I wouldn't be happy if I couldn't be in control. Paying the reasonable costs for treatment is more than worth it for the slew of options I gain.

denying healthcare is not about the cost it's about morality

>>38440331
Kek, it was the pharm and insurance companies that shilled for niggercare the hardest. They know if it's in place they can charge people out the ass for lower quality of care and nothing can be done about it because daddy government would protect them. Consumers won't stand for that shit so they know legislation is their only option.

>>38439995
and yet you pay tyrones welfare
cant spin this one

>>38440701
>when you have a discussion about politics with someone and they change a word by adding nigger to it

>>38440528
You don't understand, more money is paid in than is used. WE actively lose money. If instead we save the money we could not go in debt and then buy a yacht after we got out of the hospital with all the money saved from not paying for Fat Fucktards 8th CABG or Snieckers Addict's multiple amputations. The majority of illness is self inflicted, unless we put everyone in prison and severely control how they live their lives it is not feasible to pay for everyone like this. It is plain and simple theft.

>>38440749
Obamacare then. Whoah, such a profound difference. Can you understand the post now?

>>38440755
>The majority of illness is self inflicted, unless we put everyone in prison and severely control how they live their lives it is not feasible to pay for everyone like this. It is plain and simple theft.

I was understanding where you were coming from until you dropped this on me. Wew.

>>38440675
True, it's immoral to steal from others to fund the poor choices of a few.

GEE I WONDER WHY THIS COUNTRY THAT WANTS TO BE WORLD FIRST EMPIRE WITH STRONGEST MILITARY SPENDS IT'S BUDGET ON MILITARY?!!!!

are you all retarded or something?

>>38440801

>pays more in tax to fund healthcare on top of what his health insurance costs than other countries citizens pay for universal healthcare
>somehow the latter option is theft and the former is perfectly reasonable.

>>38440794
>be fat fuck
>gib self heart disease
>need surgery

>be fat fuck
>gib self beetus
>don't even try to control illness
>need surgery

Their surgeries cost a lot more than my annual flu shot. You propose we should both pay the same, even though they use far more of the services. How is this fair? It might could work if obese people were excluded, as a group they are the most eexpensive to take care of. However, I am against even that. Slippery slope is real.

The opposition is not to the idea of giving a helping hand to those who need it, but to the government forcing you to do so against your will. It's not as though people will start dying en masse in the absence of government subsidized health care. Countless charitable organizations exist to pay for health care for people who can't afford it; coincidentally americans give far more to charity than europoors; furthermore, among americans, conservatives give to charity both at a much higher frequency and monetary amount than liberals
Really gets the noggin joggin'

Americans are the goodest goys.
>give billions to Israel every year
>spend trillions on the military industrial

>>38440801
>the only people that get sick are poors
>people are poor or get sick by purely their own choices
>it's more important to let rich people accumulate wealth than to let poors and the middle class get affordable care

>>38439945
Our governments foreign interest are simply more important.
Its a shame the jews control our country.

>>38440701
Did I endorse obamacare anywhere in the post? Obamacare isn't universal healthcare.

>>38439995
the healthcare system gets paid... but they are lots of people that abuse this. The military has their fair share of tricks, but it's not as bad because they are more strictly regulated than the healthcare system is.

>>38439995
>this is the american mindset

Holy shit you people are too far gone

>>38439945
You make money back by robbing the people you bombed and taking their land. Not so much the same with healthcare.

>>38440755
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170111184359.htm

here's a study showing how eating a western diet directly contributes to obesity. it changes the body's physiology, their dopamine levels, their response to stimuli from diet, creates the urge to consume more calories per meal. if it's a moral failure, than it's a moral failure that has been HEAVILY encouraged and subsidized by mass media, corporate interests, the government, with all signs of warning being shouted down hysterically by right wing nuts. how many happy moments, how much good health was stolen by these pushing fuckos who see individuals as piles of resources to be exploited?

>>38441046
Not all of us, but it is quite embarrassing.

Why are americans unable to feel empathy?

>>38441102

They're indoctrinated from childhood to believe nobody matters but themselves and their immediate desires.

>>38440934
Who said only poor people get sick? That's ridiculous. Who said people get sick purely because of their own choices? That's ridiculous.
ur full of shit, m7

>>38441102
>not wanting the gubmint to forcibly take the fruits of your labor makes you selfish

>>38441234
render unto caesar, poofrog

>>38441076
I've never felt encouraged by mass media and corporate interests to eat 5x my IBW requirements. You are just desperately flopping around now. At least try. The government, mass media, and corporations seem to be doing the exact opposite. I've seen it firsthand while working in healthcare. It's not just me, but everyone is saying being obese is unhealthy. Off the record I add that it's disgusting and they shouldn't be allowed to live, but no sane person is in favor of obesity. They certainly aren't pushing it on people. Even if this were the case, it's not like we have people with guns to fatties' heads forcing them to binge. Human foie gras doesn't have much of a market so there is no reason to. It's simply a matter of putting the fork down and taking a 10 minute walk each day. A school bus getting hit by a stray petroleum plant explosion is shitty, but that's an accident. A BMI 40 with diabetes, heart disease, COPD, stroke, and cirrhosis, that's a little harder to call accidental.

>>38441102
>americans give most in charitable donations and foreign aid
>yuros receiving our gibsmedats call us selfish
Almonds Status: Activated

>>38441349
So you can give shit to other countries but not give your own people healthcare? Activates my almonds indeed

>>38441338
>The government, mass media, and corporations seem to be doing the exact opposite

The government's massive agricultural subsidies (particularly corn) have made processed, unhealthy food cheap as shit to produce.

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>>38441338
i'm talking about the environmental factors that lead to obesity, the fast food industry, restaurant industry, junk food, these places are fucking everywhere, advertisements for them are everywhere. i don't know anyone who has ever argued that being obese isn't healthy. it's shit like southern comfort food (obesity is higher in red states), binge drinking, those things are treasured parts of americana, people think they can burn shit off easily then their metabolism slows down and they're stuck sitting 8 hours a day stressed out of their fucking minds, breathing in shitty, recycled office air that's slowly lowering their quality of life, amongst other environmental factors. that's where you get people acting like the fat lab rats, stuffing their fucking faces. i haven't had any success convincing anyone here out of their murder boner and i don't think i will today.

>>38439945
Inhuman Obese scum cost a ton of money to keep alive.

>>38441102
Maybe it's because they're encouraged to be atomized. They won't pay into a collective healthcare tax system.

>>38441102
I wish this was the case, unfortunately there's a ton of us who are still stupid enough to give money to fucking retard niggers in Africa so that they can fucking waste the money.

>>38441651
so save both costs and just drop them instead of bombs

>>38441530
That's great, we spend less on food. It doesn't mean buy more of the food than is needed and get fat.

>>38441614
So slow down when your memetabolism(activity) "slows" down or maintain same level of activity. I drive past shitloads of restaurants every day without having to stop and eat until sick. Even if someone chooses to work in a shitty office they can take the stairs, bike to work, or just go for a walk each day. Very easy to do. People not doing so choice this.

>>38442006
I wish. We really need to do something about this plague of obesity.

>>38439945
Americans fucking hate each other and want each other to die (e.g. North vs. South, Coasts vs. Middle, every race vs. every other race, etc.) but hate everybody else more.

>>38442033
>That's great, we spend less on food

We spend less on the types of food that causes obesity, which is why poor people flock to it. If the subsidies were going to fruit and vegetable production you'd have a point.

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Don't forget about their space program.
You know, the one where they spend billions of dollars to TAKE PHOTOS of other planets.

>>38440331
>even though the bill would mostly be footed by the ultra rich anyway
We both know it would be something absolutely retarded like race-based payment (i.e. whitey pays for everything and shitskins don't pay a dime.) Identity politics is the elites' best friend and they will happily use it to snake their way out.

>>38442164
>not wanting a backup plan since the baby boomers fucked the earth beyond repair

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>>38439945
Oi, American commie here
Important for later, but in America the corporate world has more power than the government.
In America, rich and well off people have this idea of moral responsibility to buy shit. As well there's this idea that America is post Ideological, that this is the best it's going to get and you better get used to it. These rich bastards convince the poor that it's their fault they're poor, not the rich people running the White House selling them out for a higher gdp (which the money only goes to them and their rich corporate friends) or their bosses for being cheap bastards who won't pay them.
This is the underlining ideology of where posts like >>38439995 come from. "You, the poor person, can prevent illness through exercise and good eating and working hard to get a promotion" it's blaming the victim for the state and the corporate world fucking the powerless over.
Then there are posts like >>38441975. "Our great nation could help these hard working people--except for those other poor people ruining it for you." Reagan did it with black people (south chicago welfare queens) and Trump does it with Mexicans (stealing your jobs)
We spend money on war because without it the economy would theoretically crash. Since WWI, American business has been making a pretty penny selling weapons, and they aren't about to let that go. Comey got his start selling weapons for 2 different companies before becoming fbi.
The short version is that it costs the state but benefits the business world to invade other counties and keep their markets open (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq). A couple million die, but profit is profit. Same thing with healthcare. Millions of poor people die to keep the markets open for the rich people for the sake of profit. And if you say that that these bastards, for all the lives of their own people they take, act like they don't owe anything.

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>>38442242
>thinking humans will ever leave this rock
underage or do you enjoy star wars a little too much?
its never gonna happen

>>38442154
We spend less on all types of food. Grains, fruits, vegetables, all subsidized heavily. Corn and wheat are healthy so don't try and pretend it's some evil plant jew that gives you lactose intolerance and makes you turn gay. Try shopping some day if you ever leave the basement. Broccoli, chicken, rice, all the healthiest and tastiest foods are cheap as fuck..

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>>38441046
>>38441097
It baffles me that Eurocucks even talk shit about my country. We spend trillions of dollars to stock pile on weapons so the world won't fuck with us and watch their step. When the world won't fuck with you then the people can enjoy their way of life and innovate/work so the government can collect taxes so that the government can keep doing what they do. This is why we've won over 90% of our wars and "peaceful" "tolerant" countries like france and italy who do not spend as much on their military have a 60% or less win rate and get cucked by whatever country has the bigger cock/refugees.


Just remember that the American's poorest have a better lifestyle that the European lower middle class. We also do not have as shit wages as most of your countries as well. I heard an anon here say he only gets paid 4$/hour working at a wagie in Norway.

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>>38442300
>he thinks star wars is sci-fi

>>38442281
the only actual answer ITT

>being this butthurt about the truth
Burgerland is shit, just accept it

Because social and economic issue are bundled in packages here. If you're socially conservative (e.g. traditional marriage, nuclear family, baseball and apple pie) you can only get single-payer if you throw it all away, bend over, and take Tumblr-tier insanity with it.

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>>38442356
>We also do not have as shit wages as most of your countries as well

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>>38442281
You had me at "American Commie"

Honestly, who do communist ass wipes even decide to continue living here? Why don't you just go to Cuba, China or whatever commie shit hole remains to this day? It'll would be much better for the country and yourselves as well if you just removed yourself and go experience why communism will never work.

>>38442436
It's true. My state and others will adapt to $20/hr minimum wage by 2020. What country are you from?

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>>38442300
>thinking they need to
>muh mars muh moon
>not knowing investing in low earth orbit is the most kino

>fix da prolems here firs-
>implying they won't be fixed without moving production and resource gathering off earth
HALT ALL TECHNOLOGICAL PROGRESS UNTIL WE END POVERTY, IF ONLY WE ADOPTED THIS LOGIC SOONER SO MANY MORE PEOPLE WOULD BE SAVED.

>>38440864
>t. fucking idiot

People living old and healthy lives is way more costly to the healthcare system. The tobacco industry saved single-payer systems money because people died earlier of cancer and lung disease and heart attacks.

this is as stupid as complaining about tax money being put into roads because you don't drive as much as the average person. It has nothing to do with how your personal life is different from everyone elses you retard.

>>38439945
dropping bombs is part of our strategy in warfare. it may cost us money but it saves us men.

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>tfw leaving america for good in two months
thank god. no more getting cucked by tyrone and shekelstein in every aspect of life.

>>38442528
men who then sit at home getting fat and dying anyway of easily-curable diseases because they can't afford medical bills

>>38442562
I think the one classcuck is actually right about this. spending money on fat people and drug addicts is a huge waste of money. but it will be a waste of money whether tax pays for healthcare or not, and at least in that case you will be saving money by getting rich jews to pay more than you.

The American mentality is "fuck everyone else." Seriously. Why should I pay for YOUR shit? What have you done for me? Pay for your own goddamn healthcare.

Americans are very selfish and self centered people who believe there must always be compensation for doing something for someone else.

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>>38442562
our nations fattest will still kick your skinny europoor ass

>>38442527
We're talking about government. Good people pay way more in taxes than fatties who also tend to get on disability. Who gives a shit if they die old and pay for their own end of life care? Isn't that better than them dying young while everyone else is forced to pay for their nonproductive asses? This is me saying it's better people pay for themselves, and you you saying no it's better if we all pay for a bunch of disgusting people who don't pay for anything and just take money from us. Mine is the superior option.

Because America believes everything is a product and a service. People exist in two modes, producers while working for Mr Goldsteinberg and consumers who buy from Mr Goldsteinberg while not producing. Even sleep has become a commodity. Any attempt at criticizing Mr Schekelarne's system gets you met with the automated response of YOU'RE LITERALLY BRINGING YUROKEKIAN NATIONAL SOCIALISM COMMIE SCUM which earns them good boy treats and coupons for bullets which they use to shoot schools up with. Fuckers are hopeless

>>38442615
The yurocuck mentality is "fuck everyone else". Seriously. Why should I pay for MY shit? What have you done for me? Pay for my goddamn healthcare.

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>>38439945
>why don't you pay for another massive social program to be overused by niggers, spics and roasties giving birth to chad's bastard children?

>>38442457
>not everybody can afford to leave the country and settle down somewhere completely different
>ignoring the argument because you see a word that rustles your 1% capitalistic jimmies
You are VERY intelligent

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>>38439945
While I don't support dropping bombs everywhere I also don't support the Federal Government paying for healthcare.

My pills are $25 a month, my states Medically Needy plan covers my bill after a certain point, and I have decent health clinic miles from my house. I'd much rather pay a small amount of money to the government and pay a "premium" on healthcare than wait six months to recieve heart surgery from the NHS where im basically a number in line.

Laissez-faire healthcare is awesome when suplemented by relatively non intrusive government sibsidies such as medicaid.

Of course were spendong to much in social security, that can be fixed by reevaluating the structure of the medical industry and insurance companies. By putting the right balance of freemarket competition and small governement subsidies to those who are truly needy we can create a balanced and effective healthcare system.

I'm from the UK, and what I find a bit odd is how America is fine with stuff like public education and police, but the idea of public healthcare is met with "FUCKING SOCIALIST REEEEEEEE!".

>>38442056
Maybe a big tax on unhealthy food.

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>>38442281
Are you a part of a coop or commune?

>>38443154
I think school and police should be privatised. Taxation is theft.
I would rather subscribe to the better school/police service instead of be forced to take whatever the government can monopolise.

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>>38443161
Don't tax the food, just take away all government benefits if they're fat.

>>38443194
>Taxation is theft.

So there should be no governements at all, and everywhere should be in literal anarchy?

>>38443154
The government creates the laws so they should enforce them if they want it followed. Private police is retarded because I would just hire police who only enforce the good laws. Public education is fucking retarded and should have been abolished long ago.

>>38443243
governments* , forgot to correct spelling.

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>>38443243
No some things are just inherently better privatised and some things are better public.
The government is essentially a big monopoly it would be no different if you were driving on mcdonald brand roads.

>>38439995
Nobody doesn't get paid on universal healthcare you tard. Everybody gets paid as normal, nobody works for free

It doesn't work for burgers because they are all fat and rotten and basically it'll cost too much

>>38443154
Police are a necessity to maintain order and keep the diversity from getting too vibrant, and there are supposed to be alternatives to public education such as charter schools and homeschooling. Americans like having choices, something that socialized medicine doesn't really provide.

>>38443291
>let's privatize the dept of energy and let frito-lay guard the nukes

>>38443228
Lots of other interesting ways to implement this too. Fat people should be walking, so deny them driver's licenses.Public indecency is already against the law so just slip being fat in public to fall under the same set of laws. If they somehow still manage to work despite this we could create a separate bracket for them, or tax bucket we'd call it. Something like 80% rate would be a decent starting point.

>>38443291
>The government is essentially a big monopoly it would be no different if you were driving on mcdonald brand roads.

Here in the UK, the NHS isn't the only healthcare thing available. There's also private healthcare companies such as BUPA.

>>38443305
Doctors would make much less than in the private system and would discourage people from going to med school and studying hard.

The only reason anybody becomes a doctor is because you're guaranteed a massive paycheck.

>>38439945
Because we have to carry out the strikes, fund NATO, give just about everybody in support logistics in support.

What Europe brings to the table in terms of military power really is kind of dwarfed by what the U.S. has all on its own.

So in the end we wind up footing a disproportionate share of the bills while your countries instead spend the money on social programs.

tl;dr We pay for some of your shit too and you spend the money saved on social programs.

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>>38443154
Education and police is handled on the state level, but for some reason the liberals insist that healthcare MUST be handled on the federal level and aren't willing to institute it on a state level.

>>38443346
The nuke guys still use floppy disks for fucks sake. If it were privatized everything would be much more efficient. There is security through obscurity, but these clowns will print an email then fax it because they don't have the brains to forward a message.

>>38443228
Nah. It's way more convenient and beneficial to everyone to just straight out tax crap food.
I mean if you're thin and fit and proud to be so, why would you even indirectly root for easy access to Mcveincloggers?

>>38443346
>dude building up a stockpile of nukes and killing all your consumers is so lucrative
But you won't mind kim il manchild handling nukes. Nor Pakistan and India with their ageless national grudge.

>>38439945
>American
You don't need one.
It's obvious that the interest of the poor ways much less than the interest of the rich in the US. As groups. Not per capita.

>>38443154
You forget how massive our country is compared to your own. We have fifty states, many of which are bigger than the U.K. all on their own, all of which have varying interests.

One thing that is big with us Americans as well is being resistant to federalization. I'm a Republican and I believe that healthcare should be left to the states. I wouldn't mind if California went single-payer or whatever. What I mind is D.C. and the federal level cronies dictating what the whole nation must do.

>>38443394
>If it were privatized everything would be much more efficient.
nearly every security leak in the past couple years have come from private contractors.

>>38439945
Hi I'm a corporation.
I make bombs, sell insurance, self stl unhealthy things under the guise of personal freedom, and collect money for expensive treatments.

Thanks for your support! Please remember to like, fav, and subscribe! Every like gets 10c off your next problem!

>>38443353
yet you still pay a TV tax so BBC can show you propaganda

>>38443417
Because mcdonalds is an easy meal when I'm out. Tax fat people sure, but keep it the same cost for good people. Good people eat the same junk as fatties, just normal amounts instead of 8000 calories a day.

>>38443394
Older hardware is much more secure. You try hacking into an Amiga.

>>38443394
Are you stupid? Who cares if they use floppies so long as the solution works? If their systems are still running fine and there is no critical need to develop a new solution why spent millions and millions upgrading?

You may be surprised how much money it would cost to implement such a small change across the board.

>>38443228
>>38443349

Wouldn't it be a complete pain in the ass for the government to keep track of who is or isn't fat enough to be affected by these things? They would have to go around weighing everyone on a regular basis, as well as maintaining a massive database of everyone's weight.

>>38443480
Why should I care how much it costs? They are a private company, if it's better and more profitable they'll do it. The government doesn't give a shit about anything other than maybe kind of good enoughish.

>>38441614
>tfw I watched my brother eat a 15g saturated fat mini pizza and now he's on the treadmill doing two miles
>tfw my parents praise him and think I'm lazy and stupid when I ate 125 calories of cereal for breakfast instead

Fucking Americans are stupid as fuck m8

>>38443372
This is a very important distinction. One of the reasons I like living in New York is its progressive policies. For example, the Excelsior Scholarship Program which, as of fall 2017, provides FREE tuition for students at all state-run colleges. I just wish that there was something similar for healthcare.

>>38443507
We already have registered sex offender databases, it could be the same type of system. They are responsible for keeping their records up to date or they go to jail. There is no need to weigh everyone, just the fat ones. The CDC maintains a list of reportable diseases. If they can track gun violence, which isn't an illness, there is no reason they can't track obesity which is worse than cancer.

>>38443460
Then again. It'd be a service to public health that all, even normal sized people, have to pay somewhat more for undeniably convenient but in all ways harmful fast food. Not only that but government would get more funds to allocate into bigger bombs

>>38443509
a 15g "pizza" is like what, a single bite? You really are too lazy if you can't even make yourself a fucking meal to eat. On top of this you are not getting any exercise? I'd be ashamed of you too if you were my kid.

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>>38443508
>giving our nuclear program over to private companies

I really can't tell if you're this stupid or baiting. It's super difficult to tell.

>>38439995
Are you saying it's not right that the people we bomb aren't paying us to kill them? What did he mean by this?

>>38443569
How is fast food harmful? It is harmless when it is part of a healthy diet. It would be a public service to all if we taxed fat people. It's not the good people who are the problem. We don't throw people in jail for murder at random, only murderers. This is no different.

>>38443594
They wouldn't want them anyway. I'm saying they should be able to make their won superior ones. I know it's hard for you yurocucks to understand things outside of limited concepts such as being given, or taking from. Just try a little harder, you'll eventually get it.

>>38443613
The problem there lies in who picks what constitutes "fat?" The BMI methods are pretty flawed. Any well built man will be well over the supposedly average BMI men should be.

What would the taxes even go towards? Education about weight loss towards people who refuse to do any exercise?

>>38443613
>How is fast food harmful?
Because it's almost always filled with saturated fat and short carbs in extremely packed and artificial form.
Fat people are an eyesore, obviously, but they're doing harm only to themselves, and still pay for their health insurance.

>>38443634
You are aware that these systems and weapons are only developed partially in-house these days and many stages of design and production are done through private companies, yes? You don't think Boeing and Raytheon and their friends don't have many parts in our nuclear triad, right? Or the support they frequently provide?

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>>38443594
I don't support a privatized military but anything that the military is allowed to use the citizens should be allowed to use.

>>38443354
>doctors would get paid much less
>would get paid
>get paid
>paid
WEW

>>38443685
You can eat fast food now and then and not get fat, anon.

How has this idea never occurred to you?

>>38443703
>selling artillery to people

Hrm.

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>>38443726
>Hrm.
Tanks are already legal, when was the last time you saw a school shooting with one?

>>38443649
BMI is great for 90% of people. If it's questionable then they can pay for a body fat testing procedure. Obviously a guy with a 6 pack is not going to be considered fat, even if he is overweight according to BMI. BMI is flawless for women. Every obese bitch is also fat as fuck. Taxes would go towards bombs or some shit. I don't care so long as it doesn't help fat people.

>>38440060
If he got cancer that would be his or his family's fault for letting their genes rot.

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The correct choice is to pay for neither.

>>38443354
Comparing the average Canadian versus American physician salary, Canadian doctors make about 75k less annually. However, they are still making fucking over 200k a year. So no, there's still incentive.

>>38443757
The main weapons systems are rendered non functional, anon. The best that can be used on a civilian owned tank is the small arms weapons which could be owned anyways with the proper permits.

The barrel is usually filled and the rest of the internal systems removed. It's not really a tank, it's just an armored vehicle that looks like a tank. Also they're expensive so kids aren't buying them.

There was that one case in California years back of some guy driving a tank down the freeway after stealing it, I remember though.

>>38443649
This. It just would be less of a bureaucratic mess to just heavily tax the actual source of the whole problem.
>>38443726
I know you can eat shit and not get into a bloated mess if you do it rarely enough, obviously, but what does it have to matter? It's still unnecessary and bad. Just like tobacco, alcohol, weed or harder drugs.

>>38443685
The fuck is "artificial form"? So it doesn't always look the same as what you see in the commercial, no sense crying over it. Fat people are dumb, slow, and ugly. They do more harm to those who are unfortunate enough to be around them when they impose their presence upon the non-disgusting. Driving is a good example, they have slower reaction times and all the added bulk prevents them from safely operating a vehicle as well as a good person does. They stand on escalators, they smell bad, they congest walkways,and more. The mere existence of fat people is harmful for us.

>>38443781
>doesn't want fat people around
>entirely rejects the idea of helping them out in any way to stop being fat

Huh.

>>38443834
Why don't we just leave fat people be? They're not hurting you. Some of them are just unpleasant to look at. They suffer for their choices anyways in the end.

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>>38443830
Okay, fine, when was the last time you've heard of someone using a fully automatic machine gun to massacre people?

>>38443834
The source is overeating. Do you suggest we return to rations? That's even more retarded than just taxing 'sinful' foods.

>>38439945

Healthcare and welfare are more expensive than military spending. America spends over half it's annual budget just on those two things alone.

>>38443862
Why would anyone want to help fat people? Helping them is the last thing I want. I wish all fat people stopped existing, and that there will never be any more fat people. It's extremely easy to not be fat, there is no help needed for it. Eat normally. That's it. If they don't know what normal is they could just stop eating all together.

>>38440528
There's a difference between everybody having health coverage and having quality medical care. Expect tons of rationing and taxes to go up substantially to fund this if it were to happen

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This is one of many reasons why I voted for Bernie Sanders.

The only real choice last election tbqh

>>38443860
>The mere existence of fat people is harmful for us
Then again you too are precious resources spent that could've undeniably been used wiser.

>>38440674
This. Why should the government determine what healthcare I need by enforcing mandatory regulations to my policy

Why do the mods allow these obvious /pol/ threads

Are they incompetent

>>38443880
You are aware that machine guns aren't the slaughter machines you think they are, right? They are employed for area denial and suppressive fire for good reasons. Most modern militaries arm their troops with semi-automatic or burst-fire rifles and carbines because that's what actually gets the killing done.

Do you think things through or just run with whatever your first thought on things is?

>>38443956

You're a dumbass. He wanted to expand the welfare state and raise taxes WHILE ALSO having open borders. That's doomed to failure. You can't have socialism and mass immigration.

>>38440400
human rights exist because we live in CURRENT YEAR and have developed past the point of subsistence hunting

>>38443993
>[3] citations needed. or

>>38443893
>The source is overeating
The source is overly refined, artificial, energy packed junk that's harmful to you even if you stay within what your body needs calorie-wise.
And I'm obviously referring to the wider issue than just icky fat people.

>>38441102
Not really empathy when the government forces you by law to pay for other people's shit

>>38444006

Wrong, human rights solely exist white westerners say they do and will enforce them. If there is no white people, there will be no human rights, which is why I can't wait for white people to be minorities in their own countries, there won't be international human rights or aid for the third world.

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>>38443993
Marxists have to burn everything down first to achieve their totalitarian state visions, anon. It's the same thing from every single one of them.

>>38443144
I'm assuming you listened to Rand Paul's idea??

>>38444051
actually several African countries are on their way to becoming 1st world countries due to Chinese investment.

>>38444030

Bernie advocated for welfare benefits and healthcare and free tuition for all. That's literally his political platform. He argued for open borders during the CNN primary debate. He also said illegal immigrants should be given full welfare benefits the same as a US citizen.

So either he was pandering for votes, or he was for open borders.

Also, him and his wife are under FBI investigation for fraud. His wife stole money from the college she worked at. Ironic.

>>38444111
is there any politician not under investigation for something?

>>38444091

It's not a matter of first or second world, human rights only exist because of white people. Human rights do not exist in non-white countries without white people pressuring them to have it.

>>38439945
>Can I get an American to explain this to me?
Yeah, our government is controlled by corporations. That includes the health and war industries. Simple enough?

>>38444140
human rights, as a concept, literally did not exist over 100 years ago

>ancaps exist

>>38443961
>when you smoke so much weed you forget ot make sense

>>38444033
>buzzwords buzzwords buzzwords memes
I've never known a person to get fat from eating fake food. I have known them to get fat from eating too much real food though. The problem is overeating and there is nothing nothing more to it.

>>38444152
edgy

>>38444152
>>38444152

Look at the annual budget, healthcare and welfare make up over 50% of the annual budget. Military spending is not the problem.

>>38444170

And it literally won't exist 100 years from now. You're point? It was invented by white people and perpetuated by white people.

>>38444130

Well it's ironic that every major candidate in the past election is under investigation by the FBI. But fuck drupmf right?

>>38439945
Americans are stupid. Nothing new.

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>>38444187
>the truth is edgy now
>calling people edgy on 4chan
>>38444191
Yes, we do spend more per capita on healthcare than countries with government-funded and regulated healthcare. What do we get out of that?
Pic related

>>38444277
I guess I should have clarified, when I said government-funded/regulated I mean single-payer. Our current system is all over the fucking place and really inefficient.

>>38444277

Why is cost so high? Because the government pays the cost no matter how high and medical companies will charge higher and higher prices because why wouldn't you if your customer will pay any price.

>>38444277
Good graph. Very stark.

>>38444228
it was invented by white people after they finished murdering themselves in the most horrific ways possible

>>38440320
Your next door neighbor could potentially kill you, actually is statistically millions of times more likely (just via accident like a car crash or accidental allergy, causing a fire) should the government send a death squad to their house?

>>38444296

It's inefficient because it's not a free market. It's not a free market nor is it controlled.

>>38439945
>Leader of the Free world
The us doesn't spend that much on military as you might think, it's only a couple percent of total GDP, I think Poland spends relatively more on their military.

>>38441975
FYI, you're actually giving money to their corrupt gov't.

>>38444170
Human rights are human rights because they are a religious concept. For as long as there has been religion there has been human rights.

>>38444321
Right, we should transfer to a free market system like what Canada and Japan have then.

>>38444307

Africans and Asians are still genociding each other today. And now they want to genocide white people and will succeed.

>>38444323
Well at least Poland has a reason to spend more on defense. We haven't had a legitimate enemy since the end of the Cold War. Pissed off goat farmers don't count.

>>38442356
Who exactly would be launching a full scale invasion of the US? It literally has not happened in 200 years. Pearl Harbor is an absolute fluke, that we allowed to happen in order to enter WW2. Every conflict in the last 50 years we have entered of our own volition.

>>38444270

European governments are more corrupt than the American government. Sad how euros like to shit on America while their own governments are garbage.

The amount of money US corporations get from arms and armaments is fucking mental. Of course the money stays at the top so prople have private jets with ice rinks in them (im fucking serious) and the rest gets fuck all since the jobs are in China where they can work 70 hours for a nickel and the government could give less of a shit. To put this in perspective, 40 years ago a man working in a factory in the US could support a family of 5.
Tbh we are still lucky compared to 90% of the world so it is what it is.

>>38444323
It's ~20% of our budget annually, and it's dollars wise more than the next 10 countries combined. You can attempt to spin it however you like but it is quite literally the most anyone on the planet spends by an exponential amount.

>>38444380

North Korea is literally threatening to nuclear bomb California. But you're right, we should cut military spending because fuck California. Leftist Mexican shithole.

>>38444187
I still don't see any actual points for why taxing fast food and snacks would be a bad decision. They're luxury items, plain and simple, and everyone can eat like a human being is meant to even in the middle of a hectic lifestyle if they want to.

whos gonna get the get Iads

>>38444416
they don't even have any ICBMs capable of passing the japanese sea, how the fuck are they gonna nuke cali? north korea's all talk, they're only threatening us with nukes to bring us to the bargaining table.

literally every country does this.

im not american but i used to work at an army base. they had 1 practice flight every 30 minutes or so. you can only imagine how much money that shit costs.
and its not like we are a rich country. we are stagnating and the taxes are brutal

>>38439945
because all those trillions of dollars get passed around the elite circles, who in turn buy off those who make decisions about bombing this country or that one. ain't no money in giving away healthcare.

>>38444428
In that case underwear is a luxury item, why don't we tax all underwear instead of just the sizes L and up? Underwear is the source of obesity after, all those artificial man made polymers and textile manufacturing techniques maing people obese. Underwear isn't even necessary, so why not just ban it since it makes people fat?

>>38444454

They don't have icbm yet. But they're making progress. Every analyst says within 2 years.

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>>38444383
Tbf all governments suck.

>>38444482

Vastly more money goes into healhcare than military spending. You don't know what you're talking about. It makes lefty cucks feel good about themselves to say we need to cut military spending but god forbid you try to cut welfare and healhcare spending.

>>38444522
>slipping the fed in at the end
teeny tiny kek

>>38444528
no its not. you mean social security. healthcare is less than military

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>>38444403
I said GDP not government budget. These are two different things. Dollarwise more is not a good argument since the US has the biggest economy only followed by China. The us spends about 2.10% of GDP on military.

>>38444487
90% the time these "analysts" are neocons who worked in the state department for like a year and pretend to be experts on the country they're commentating on

>>38444428
>taxing things I don't like will fix everything!

Surely stifling our own economy will solve everything THIS time.

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>>38444559
Sorry wrong pic. This is the US

>>38444555

Healthcare is more than military.

>>38444559
oh trust me the government spends much more than 2%.
2% is what they get in the start of a new year. additional costs are requested via congress and you don't even know about it

>>38444528
oh, so the healthcare system isn't hopelessly corrupt? does medical coverage need to be that outrageously expensive? does medical insurance? the whole thing is a fucking scam, in line with the military stuff I'm talking about, everything is run by big business and the politicians get bought off while they bleed us dry.

t. Not a lefty cuck either, but I am realistic in how the world works.

>>38444484
So now you've degenerated into spewing lazy strawmen, have you? Go order a bucket of mcnuggies.

>>38444601

You can make the same exact argument about welfare.

>>38444611

I agree, and it's only like that because the government just pays whatever. It's not a free market, it's not capitalism, it's government running amok.

>>38444630
HURR DUR WELFARE IS EVIL, PEOPLE ON WELFARE ARE EVIL

the government expanded welfare when they saw that shitload of migrants are pouring in and jobs are getting outsourced.
create the problem and offer the solution.

>>38444416
Right because the bombs in the middle east fuck over North Korea's nuclear capabilities. Good thing we have troops on the ground over in that shithole too to stomp out Kim Jo-- Oh wait we don't have that. Plus we made huge leaps in ABM testing last year, frankly we'll probably have that before they have functioning ICBMs. I'm fine with actual defense spending, but going out and bombing the shit out of the middle east is retarded.

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>>38441102
Don't know. But I do know that I want to wear your skin anon.

>>38444586
>taxes and moderate governmental steering immediately equal le gommynism meme
such high level dialoque

>>38444616
Strawmen? I am saying literally the exact same thing as you. Also, you have shit taste if you think mcnuggies are good. No wonder you are a butthurt fatass, you are too stupid to be anything else.

>>38444681

What? We've had 20,000 American soldiers on the border between north and South Korea and a vast missile defense system there since the Korean War. You're bait and switching, the Middle East is different than North Korea. But they actually are connected because Iran and NK are trading nuclear technology and helping each other.

>>38444663
In Canada what the government does is negotiate the prices with the companies.
The USA's government healthcare program is not like this due to incompetence. It's by design to line the pockets of the healthcare companies. If they wanted to save money on this, they could.

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wtf i love floating ever-increasing numbers of directionless fleshpiles at the expense of the working class

>>38444681
north korea is a hoax.
north korea never threatened america. they just said their missiles are capable of reaching america.
in all honestly. NK would be erased in a second if they attempted such thing. look how much money is being poured into this NK panic

>>38444681
If you want to understand America's military ambitions, follow the money.

There's no money to be made in NK, the place is a barren shithole and would hurt our business arrangements with China, which is a loss of money. Middle east? plenty of $$ to be made over there in cooperation with our Saudi buddies.

>>38444559
How exactly is the dollarwise argument bad when we spend more than China plus the next 9 countries combined? Or that despite not having the largest population or land mass to defend we spend that much? How does the size of our economy dictate how much money we spend on military except as a corollary to how having the money of arms dealers line the pockets of our politicians is really fucked up?

>>38444727
How're you enjoying your small sodas, Jew Yorker?

Aren't ya glad Uncle Sam knows better than you?

>I know you're just pretending to be retarded, but it hurts that REAL people might fall for such thoughts.

>>38444758
>North Korea never threatened America
>have said death to America
>produce propaganda showing the destruction of US cities
>repeatedly make public declarations that the US will be destroyed

2/10

>>38439995
Fuckers like you are so fucktarded I swear to Christ. You're ALREADY paying for other people's healthcare. That's how health insurance works. The difference is noseberg doesn't get to make profit off the top in a publicly run system.

>>38444611
Healthcare is the least corrupt of all industries. We save people's lives then get shat on by uingrateful fucks like you. If you are unhappy about the costs then do somehting, get rid of government regulations and social security/medicare/medicaid. They inflate the costs by forcing hospitals to give away services to them for next to nothing. The hospital I work for is a non-profit, as many hospitals are. A huge chunk of the budget is wasted on staff trying to get government just to pay what little pittance they said they would. Since they steal from us so much we have to raise prices just to keep the doors open.

>>38440783
affordable care act

>>38444804
>noseberg doesn't make money in publicly run system

Noseberg gets a monopoly in a publicly run system.

I don't understand why American can't just have a public option that competes along side private healthcare. Having the both of them compete with each other would generally be a good thing for everyone involved.

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>>38444428
The same reason you wouldn't tax drugs too much
It encourages a black market to rise up.

>>38444804
>publicly run system.
oh boy here we go

there is no public healthcare in america. you pay money for private hospitals that set arbitrary prices on medical stuff.
this is why everyone are so opposed to obamacare

>>38444728
If you're going to spout analogues, try to think up something that's even remotely similar.
Underwear has a necessary function, keep us warm, protect decency, and uphold hygiene.
Processed fast food is unhealthy, unnecessary luxury that doesn't actually need to exist.

>>38444837
It wouldn't be for profit because it isn't in the private sector you complete and utter dipshit. Medicare and social security don't have CEOs and shareholders.

>>38444804
>You're ALREADY paying for other people's healthcare. That's how health insurance works.

No, that is not how insurance of any kind works in a free market.

Collectivist scum have sold the public on the principle that insurance and risk-pooling are the same - and they aren't.

"Insurance" is one thing and one thing only, and has been since the fucking 13th century - a bet I make with someone who has more capital than me, in order to hedge against the possibility of downside loss.

Now, it's naturally very likely that the guy with more capital than me will make many such bets at once, if he's smart - because that helps hedge HIS risk. But all those transactions are irrelevant to me and may as well not exist from my perspective. *My* insurance transaction is *my* purchase of the equivalent of a put, and nothing else.

>>38442356
>americans
>not shit wages
your minimum wage is the lowest in the western world

>>38444848

Because democrats want single payer only and we don't have a free market system because the costs are inflated because of government. Republicans are too pussy to force a free market. It's why they look like cucks with this Trumpcare bill.

>>38444832
Fine. Call it that. Can you understand the post yet or should we find another silly name for it?

>>38444876

They do. You think government doesn't work to enrich the people within?

>>38444848
Because government can't compete with people who are competent and actually try to produce a workable system. Look at ACA, everyone healthcare costs went up and all you hear is people bitching about how shitty it is. Despite their best efforts they couldn't even make a system that was better than having no insurance at all.

>>38444738
Right that's why we're in an armed conflict with Iran too-- oh wait.
It's not a bait and switch considering my original argument is that our military is retardedly expensive specifically because we are sticking our nose into random countries (for the last 30 years it has been the middle east)

>>38444831
Look, I know what nurses, doctors get paid and medical bills look like. Quit the fucking 'good samaritan' crap because I'm not buying it, you're still part of the system that is gouging the public.

>>38444855
That fucker was resisting arrest and tried to attack. Look at the picture. He attacked and it took multiple officers to take down his fat ass, and then he had a heart attack from all the fatness and smoking. He is burning in hell right now and deserves it.

>>38444855
>we shouldn't tax much because black market
That's pretty much cutting deals with criminals.

>>38444848
I think that's the system Australia has in place. It does encourage companies there to be as good as or better than the government provided healthcare.

>>38444919
i don't understand why america simply don't copy the european model.
higher taxes, healthcare is subsidized. people pay if they want to pay, if not they pay more in case something happens.
you have expensive as fuck healthcare and you get shit in return

>>38444883
America doesn't have a free market and never has.
>>38444914
>They do
They literally don't.

>>38444971
>they literally don't
>he thinks the government doesn't have shareholders

Sad. Government is first and foremost a business.

>>38444428
You ever see the KFC episode of Southpark?

>>38444952
Just sales taxes. They shouldn't be overbearing like they are in New York.
>>38444951
Eh it was the only picture I had available about the situation. In any case why would you want to fund criminals by opening up black market opportunities?

>>38444952
>What is the drug war

I think we should make a new nation. With blackjack...and hookers.

>>38444848
As anon said >>38444889 a lot of proponents don't want a private option at all and will settle for nothing less than becoming a clone of Sweden.

>>38444957
>>38444957

The European model will fail because of mass immigration and I can't wait to see all the euro butthurt and rape and death.

>>38444761
Does North Korea have have like trillions of dollars worth of minerals the government's too incompetent to mine?

>>38444874
Underwear is not necessary at all. Fast food is healthy. This is so bizarre. Or you memeing or are you actually this retarded? It's hard to even address your 'points' because I can't conceive of a single rational anything behind your posts. You cling to empty buzzwords like processed as if it's a bad thing. Underwear is processed too you know. If it's cotton they pick the cotton, make it into thread, then make it into fabric, then make it into more things until it finally becomes underwear. It's a lot more processed then grains which are ground and mixed with water, salt, and yeast, cooked and split, then filled with fresh chopped lettuce and ground beef with a little milk that was made into curds, pressed, and inoculated with natural microbes. This doesn't even begin to address the underwear made from RAPE. They take all these evil chemicals and chemical them with more evil chemicals into eviler chemicals, then chemical them into evil shapes and make evil underwear. You must be out of your fucking mind if you think healthy food is bad but underwear is some sacred cow that must be allowed to exist untaxed to cover your enormously fat ass.

>>38445090

Faggot autist

>>38442701
Nice nigger mentality

>>38444874
Underwear is far from necessary, food is quite literally necessary to exist are you serious nigger?

>>38441102
They do, but it's always misplaced. It's not uncommon for people here to care more about helping illegal immigrants and third worlders than they do about extended family.

>>38444887
Yet we are the richest country in the world. Minimum wage doesn't matter, All that matters is maximum wage. Only trash even think about minimum wage to begin with. It doesn't matter, just like the people who work such jobs don't matter..

>>38445111

Careful what you post euroboy, if papa government catches you posting hurtful messages on the internet it's off to the gulag for you!

>>38445071
That's China's property. 6-10 trillion can be harvested and gone in the blink of an eye as well, not a sustainable business.

>>38445138
Well in a few days our ISPs are going to start charging us fees for saying nigger so we really have no leg to stand on bruh

>>38444950
We work harder than anyone in any other industry does. Fuck you for saying that we should just work for free and subsidize the governments and insurance's jewiness. I still want to make a living. Don't get sick or don't bitch if you aren't willing to place blame where it is do. Doctors and nurses are underpaid for what they do.Non-profit organizations aren't exactly living in high cotton. A big part of why so many hospitals are non-profit is because it's nearly impossible to make a profit in medicine. The government will push your shit in so far it comes out of your mouth if you even think of trying.

>>38445169

I'll pay for the privelege. I am free to say what I want at least. Euronigger cucks just can't compete with the BAC.

>>38444776
Because other countries don't nearly come as close to the US in terms of GDP. To maintain the Chinese army they pay almost nothing for their service in the military, it's way cheaper for them to maintain an army than the US. You have to look at it in terms of GDP not in absolute terms.

>>38444957
American system is better. Lower taxes, healthcare is not subsidized. People pay if they want to pay, if not they pay slightly more in case something happens. You have expensive as fuck taxes and you get shit in return.

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>>38445138
>Europe gets cartoonish government overreach
>America gets cartoonish corporate overreach
the memes are coming true

>>38445132
>we are the richest country in the world
In terms of total wealth yes but not per capita and not per capita adjusted for inequality. All that matters is the maximum wage? Brazil and South Africa have high maximum wages for a small section of the population and miserable conditions for the majority. But hey they have a few wealthy people right? I guess it's fitting though since America is basically a brown shithole like those countries now anyways.

>>38445006
Maybe I'm cocky, but I'm willing to risk having panty mafia crawling around the back alleys. An underwear black market is not much of a concern to me. Even if it happens it's easy to solve; make crime illegal. People can buy the panty tax or just go around wearing clothes like normal without the ridiculous luxuries.

>>38445105
limpwrist cuckold

>>38445115
Food is consumable, it's gone after you need it. Underwear is durable and actually necessary. How else will you keep warm, decent, and hygienic?

>>38445309
Autist faggot

>>38445333
Clothes are a luxury you can live without. Because we said so. Deal with it.

>>38445241
>u mite be rich in actuality
>but ur not so rich if i twist the data in funy weighs
>*adjusts for 'inequality"*
>ha! not so rich now
>as rich as africa mebbe lmao btfo gg

>>38445344
Iimpwrist cuckold

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>>38445229
>if not they pay slightly more in case something happens
>average cost of a simple appendectomy with no associated complications is roughly $30,000
>"pay slightly more"
fucking delusional.
there is simply no defending the American health care system in its current state unless you are someone who directly benefits financially from its operations i.e. a CEO or large shareholder.

>>38445344
Iimpwrist cuckoId

>>38445400
Fag retard

>>38445380
Are you brain dead? Per capita is the only fucking measurement that actually matters when measuring the wealth of a nation. If china passes us in GDP nominal like they are set to in a few years they aren't the richest country because you have to divide it by population. That's how we get the per capita number to begin with. Fuck off to the library or something dumb /pol/drone.

>>38445453
But if that's not enough you can always adjust it for inequality, or use the revised formula for inequality adjustment. Wealth is the only number that matters when measuring the wealth of a country. Let's adjust for stupid worthless poor people instead. Anyone making under $35kUSD after taxes is excluded. America is still the richest.

>>38445499
>stupid worthless poor people
asshurt richfag detected

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>>38445219
>Our GDP is about 1.7x China
>Our military budget is 3x
>Implying the US pays the average soldier well
Go fuck yourself retard
Look at pic related. Per GDP the US Spends a full 33% more on their military than the next 7 countries, and you will straight faced tell me there is no spending issue because MUH GIANT ECONOMY. And once again the US doesn't have the land that Russia has or the population like India and China have.

Let me just make one thing crystal fucking clear: if you are a roastie whore aka a femanon, you don't belong in this thread or this board, or even this site. My roast-dar is picking up some signals.

>>38445333
I'll wear pants, a loincloth, just a tunic.

>>38445418
You are using average, which means costs for trying to get insurance and or government to pay what they agreed too. That is about 40% of all hospital costs. Lets use the actual cost which pays for materials, staff, and facilities. That is $18k. Kind of shitty, but that's what the health budget is for. If you actually tried you could get it down to about $16k.Thre is also about 30% overcharge to cover the goverment and insurance not holding up their end of the deal. It's a simple procedure to diagnose appendicits and appendectomy. $7k max if we didn't have to deal with all the socialist bullshit inflating prices. Figure $150/hr for the surgeon, $40/hr for the nurses, and a generous 5 days inpatient stay. Anesthesia, supplies, and drugs we'll say is $1k of that.$30k is unreasonable because that is including the costs of all the extra shit you didn't think to include.

>>38444887
Not factoring in the value of foreign currency chief

>>38445499
I really hope you're trolling otherwise you are extremely naive. I said per capita AND per capita adjusted for inequality. You said we're the richest country and that's true based on GDP nominal alone but even in just per capita that isn't the case. Divide the GDP by the population. It's not a difficult subject to understand at all. Well maybe for a /pol/drone I suppose.

>>38445530
Upper lower class really, not even close to rich. The bar is set so low there is no excuse to be making below the average annual income.

>>38445591
Enjoying freezing to death and having no decency then.

>>38444957
So I'm going to give you three options here but you could only pick two, which ones would they be?? Options are universal, quality, and affordable

>>38445499
Hey man what the fuck, I live in Mexico.
Turns out we are a first world country!

>>38441123
why are other countries so bitter and try to kill as much as possible?

>>38445647
You are trying hard to move the goalposts but it won't work. /pol/ has nothing to do with this. We are talking about healthcare and government, not memes. Real things. The US is the wealthiest country in the world. GDP doesn't matter. Inequality matters even less than GDP. $35k is generous seeing as average is $40k here. What is the average after tax salary in non-US countries? Hell, even comparing to just the west yuro countries it is still better. It doesn't matter though,because wealth and GDP are different things.

>>38445566
You know the average wage in the Chinese army is fuck all right? Especially compared to that of the US. Again 3.3% of GDP isn't that much as you think it is. Don't put it in absolute terms.

>>38445724
Here is a link to actually see it.
http://english.chinamil.com.cn/news-channels/china-military-news/2015-01/19/content_6314553.htm

>>38445706
Little known fact, but you are correct-ish. Mexico declared war against the Axis powers. The cold war is what 1st/2nd/3rd world refers to though. Looks like Mexico was solidly 3rd world. This is why Monroe doctrine exists. Much of Central and South America were targeted by the commies. That's not really relevant to the discussion, but your women can be attractive so what the hell. As far as I know mexico isn't wealthier than the US nor does it have a higher GDP. Mexico does have nice hospitals from what I've read though. I'm ignorant to what degree it is funded by gibsmedats vs freedumbs though, so I won't comment there.

>>38445719
Who's moving goalposts? You claimed America was the wealthiest country in the world and this isn't true if you do even the most basic research into the numbers that actually quantify this. GDP and inequality don't matter because you say they don't? People in Norway are richer than Americans. People in Switzerland and richest than Americans. That might pop your little bubble but it's true. Just because you really really want America to be the wealthiest country doesn't make it so I'm any since other than GDP nominal. But I guess if you want to delude yourself into believing your mulatto spic shithole is "teh richest suck it yuroz" I can't stop you.

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>>38445859
I'm talking about the countries that are wealthiest. GDP doesn't matter because it isn't a measure of the country's net wealth.

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>>38443580
>a 15g "pizza" is like what, a single bite?
Yeah exactly hes probably going to eat 3-4 of these IN A SINGLE FUCKING DAY.

15x4 = 60g of fat a day
350 calories x 4 = 1520
MUH TWO MILES DOE

>a fucking meal to eat
This isnt a meal. This is a snack for him and its not even fucking food.
This is concentrated fatty lard.
This is a science experiment where they are force feeding a rat.

>On top of this you are not getting any exercise? I'd be ashamed of you too if you were my kid.
Does it hurt to be this fucking stupid?
Americans ladies and gentlemen.
They think the 200 calories you burn exercising > the 1500 calories you ate.
200 > 1500 'MURIKKA

Do you understand that your body cant process 60g of fat a fucking day?
Do you not understand this makes stones in your organs?
Do you not understand that If I'm hungry again, I can just make 10 more fucking bowls of cereal before I even reach that caloric intake, but I would never do that? That I dont have another 60g of saturated fat inside my body?

This is why you people are fucking fat and diseased.

>>38445724
>Don't put it in absolute terms
>Literally put it in a graph with relative comparisons of GDP
Are you serious right now nigger? Even if you want to say that the Chinese, Russians and Indians are underpaying their soldiers enough to cover that 33% (giving you the other second world countries), that only reduces the difference to 16.5%, which is still ludicrous especially in Dollar amount.

>>38445090
I cant tell if youre being serious, are retarded, or joking.

>>38445961
1500 calories is what small female children need per day. If your math is correct I'd be concerned that he is about to die if this is a normal day for him. Fortunately is is absolutely certain you are wrong here. Even sedentary he is burning more than 1500 calories per day. It is apparent you don't know shit about nutrition so I won't tear into you too hard. After all, you don't even know how to feed yourself breakfast.

The body can easily process 60g of fat in a day, that is only 240kcal. This does not make stones in the body, fat is not a mineral. Why the fuck would you want to eat 10 bowls of cereal in a day? Pick up a cookbook, you are posting here so you must be able to read to some degree. I can believe you would never do that since reading is hard, so you got me there. I don't know if you have 60g saturated fat in your body because I'm not measuring that kind of thing, I don't even know who you are or what you look like.

>>38446024
It's ok, I never expected you to understand. Go back to playing minecraft, friend. You misclicked.

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>>38445961
Poor yuros. All that socialist education and they can't even read a simple nutrition label.

>>38439995
Damn..OP....just got..completely...and...utterly..btfo...

>>38443967
You're the one claiming that fucking artillery is somehow going to be a major problem if we legalize it.

>>38440282
Lobbyists/legislators help to keep it privatized for their own interests/the interests of those they represent

>>38446193
>Calling 5" a pizza
That's not a fucking pizza but at most around 1,5 slices of a regular one.

>>38440300
Because the system abuses them

>I don't wanna pay for some nigger's Healthcare
I hope anyone that thinks like this never gets any kind of insurance.

>>38446395
>Implying most of them don't overeate or have in general worse health. Nobody wants to pay for others people mistakes in diet and terrible life choices like drinking more than 0.5L of soda every day.

>>38446321
>hes never been to a grocery store

>>38445650
I live somewhere where that wouldn't happen, but even so, wearing a pair of pants with no underwear, or even a tunic is far from indecent.

>>38446478
When you call something a pizza, you don't mean a 5" pizza, you mean a regular pizza. We don't have those small things here in the groceries stores, I'm not in the US.

>>38446161
Or maybe just dont write like a rambling autist so people can understand you clearly.

The one and only reason is THE JEWS.

Israel's enemies must be dealt with. And they don't want to waste precious shekels or lives of God's Chosen. The US does it for free.

ASSAD MUST GO, goyim. Forget about ISIS. Assad is an evil baby gassing villain.

>>38446500
>>38446478
>>38446321
>>38446193
The serving size is 1 pizza.
AS IN 1 OF THESE PIZZAS.
AS IN WHATEVER AMOUNT OF THEM THEY MIGHT PUT IN A BOX THIS INDIVIDUAL WRAPPED CONTAINER CONSTITUTES AS A WHOLE UNIT OF 1 PIZZA

If you got 9 wrapped units and cut and assembled them into a standardized large pizza from a restraunt, it would still be 9 units of this fucking pizza so you multiple all of the listed stuff by 9.

It doesnt magically then become 1 pizza.
Are you completely retarded?
Do you know how physical dimensions work?
Holy fuck

I guess the U.S. would have to start by making a price standard. Why does it cost 1,000 at one hospital and 10,000 at the one down the street for the same service. One place might charge the uninsured 90 for a visit, or you can go across the road to pay 300 for a visit. A hospital sends a claim to insurance for 10,000, and the insurance company negotiates to bring it down to 7,000, and then sends the patient a bill for the 1,000 they didn't cover. Our healthcare is just really confusing.

>>38446877
It costs more somewhere else because of two possible reasons.

1. The service in one hospital is better or quicker
2. There is more demand for one hospital then for the other, or wages for doctor's en employees are too high.

If you are free to choose your hospital this problem would solve itself. Don't know how the situation there is, but here you can choose what hospital you go to.

>>38443880
>caring about some punk ass normies dying

you can't be an anti-gun activist and claim to be a robot.

>>38446968
It's a lack of transparency that really causes the issues. You are given treatment before you know costs, in situations where you are seriously injured (but not enough that going down the road to the cheaper hospital would kill you) you are not allowed to refuse treatment, and then are forced to pay what you got there.

Frankly each hospital needs a fucking menu.

>>38447075
Absolutely true. Non-transparency and way out of hand bureaucracy are the issue that stop this from being a somewhat free working market. They can do basically anything now because no one will refuse treatment or look where he can be treated best for the lowest cost.

>>38446968
In a logical world, that would make sense except there's no logic. The cheaper hospitals can easily be better then the expensive hospitals, and price is no indicator of wait time. On top of that, you don't know the price until you go. You can't just ask, "What does this cost?" They will never tell you. You only realize this speaking to others who have gone to hospitals or doctors, or after you yourself have went to multiple care facilities. Of course, you stick with the cheapest, but it's purely accidentally to find the right combination of price/service.

You spoke to soon saying higher = better.

And you only find out that price when they send you the bill.

>>38447235
Please read
>>38447075
And my response
>>38447116

There's also the consideration that a hospital that charges less cares more about its patients then a hospital that charges more. The hospital that charges more may want to maximize profits from the sick. One might see a dying patient in need of help, another sees 30,000 dollars if they keep them alive.

>>38440258
typical american lol

>>38447116
You can't look for where to be treated for less because they won't give you the price. Can you understand a hospital refusing to give an estimate? They aren't required to tell you that. How do you choose when you talk to a multitude of hospitals about your father's heart surgery, and not one will tell you how much the surgery will cost with them.

>>38447408
They should be required by law to actually give you a price estimate based on previous operations and surgeries. Only then is it possible for hospitals to become both better and cheaper.

>>38439945
conservitards think its too commie

>>38447425
Yeah, that's where it has to start. I don't think people outside of the U.S. realize how fucked medical care in the U.S. is. Likely because it's so fucked it is illogical from all but the money-making perspective.

>>38447425
Let's get even more confusing. A test that cost someone 900 yesterday, may cost 1,200 the next week, and 400 after that. Then it might go back up to 1,000 a month later.

>>38447425
>>38447408
Exactly.
For even further example, you dont even know if its going to be fucking covered.
You just get services performed.
You walk in there and get a dianosis and then a treatment that is billed.
You dont get a walk-in then a diagnosis and then a quote from your insurance from the doctor and then asked would you like to proceed?

Its just
>walkin
>diagnosis
>do you want to gamble your life or your money?

if you see a specialist its even less

its just
>do you want to gamble your life or your money?
>receive diagnosis
>do you want to gamble your life or your money?

Its a fucking horrendous system of russian roulette.
Its insane.

also
>>38447500

>>38442356
Europe always wins in the end, anon.

>>38447577
also on top of that im currently fighting between my insurance/my doctor/ and my lab

because the insurance says
>we paid for this test once the lab added extra shit and we need to know why
>the lab says we didnt do shit but one test and theres two notices for two different doctors
>the dr says "Your insurance says you have two insurances and we billed once."
>then the insurance said: "We are the only insurance. Your dr is retarded and billing it twice."

This is for a test that happened IN MARCH and im just finding out who the fuck knows fucked up almost 5 months later.
I still havent gotten this fixed.

>>38447577
They also like to charge insured people more then uninsured because having insurance is a big money sign floating on your head. That's largely why the negotiations are needed. The insurance companies know that the procedure cost more then for an uninsured person because the clinics know they can get the money.

>>38447635
All because of lack of transparency and way too much bureaucracy once again. If we get rid of these two factors only then will there be a better, more fair, and better working system with both lower costs and better care.

>>38440300
US healthcare is actually way more flawed and expensive than "socialist healthcare" in other countries. Gov't controls are put in place

>>38447700
It's not flawed because it's privatized but because of having a few flaws that prevent it from being a market. Right now it's basically a monopoly. Lack of transparency, seeing what the costs are and where the care is better and cheaper.
And the huge bureaucracy that comes with it resulting in insanely higher costs that would have been unnecessary.

>>38447700
We got controls, but it's only about procedures. The government will step in to tell doctors they can't put silicone in people's asses, for example. However, there's no control telling clinics they can't pull prices out of their asses because the clinic owner wants a fancy new car since the one he bought two years ago isn't good enough anymore.

>>38447577
Because people don't pay. That's the point, you have to pay out the ass for medical because no one wants to pay out the ass for medical.
This isn't a hard concept to understand. They obscure costs because they know americans will choose money over their life/health, the hospitals want the insurance money, the insurance want your money, you want your money and your healthcare, and no one wants to give anyone any money for anything. They want to pretend it doesn't exist when it comes to healthcare.
It gets worse, and it's been getting worse, because people are unable to handle paying for healthcare. There's an easy way to bring down costs, stop treating people for free, stop admitting hypochondriacs and diabetics if they can't pay.
The government doesn't want that though, because that sucks the life out of all these industries and makes a pile of corpses. No one can handle this reality, so this is why we're barreling towards single-payer with no way out.
The worst part is that I think most anons reading this will actually think this is a good thing. It's not. Instead of top healthcare that you sacrifice money for, you'll have shit healthcare for everyone.
There's endless examples, but the people for singlepayer will never accept that their dream of getting healthcare for free can be a bad thing.
Anons need to understand, prevention first, because good healthcare will always require you to pay through the nose. You cannot reduce the cost of difficult procedures without a total system revamp, and that isn't going to happen since singlepayer is inevitable at this point because Americans support the free stuff but don't want to pay the taxes.
Democrats love taxes because they don't have to pay them. The people who are hurt the most by taxes are always the middle class.
I'm poor and on medicare, my healthcare is going to get shittier because of this and everyone is going to act like this is a good thing. No, a welfare system is still a welfare system.

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>>38439945
It's really bizarre how Americans are obsessed with "free market capitalism" in the area where it does worst, like distributing costs of healthcare fairly among an economically fragmented population so that people aren't literally dying on the streets or in their homes, but don't give a shit about in other areas, like internet service providers where something like 90% of the country has a maximum of 2 choices of ISPs and both will screw them over as hard as humanly possible.

>>38439945
Americans are extremely unhealthy, and make little effort to improve. So their health care costs are through the roof.