Why do people care wether comsenting adults take their own life?

I concur, this world is too selfish and run by a corrupt elite regardless of left or right politics.
They will keep us alive because we serve some monetary purpose to the powers that be.

no one is stopping you from killing yourself. You could do it right now

>>38429768
Thats not what i mean. There are always people outside.of the internet that try and will stop you from killing yourself. So many programs and services at the disposal to force you to continue living here in america. And when you do fail,you are put into a stigma of weakness and pity that only worsens the current existence. There should be a place that gives those people that want to die a chance to.

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>>38429732
Because they're the same as trannies. You shouldn't let mentally ill people be in charge of themselves if they're not mentally fit enough to ensure their own safety and happiness if they can't do that without harming their own wellbeing.
Most suicidal people don't want to die, they want whatever suffering going on around them to stop.
>inb4 trannies are supported in their shit
Just because they are doesn't mean they should be.

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>>38429732
who ever drew this fucking twig should be shot

>>38429895
Killing yourself and being a transexual are two different things though. They can not be compared. When someone dies,they don't really harm anyone but themselves. They are taken from the suffering immediately. There are no negatives to suicide. The outside world doesnt need suicidal people anyways,so what is the issue?

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>>38429923
>When someone dies, they don't really harm anyone but themselves. They are taken from the suffering immediately. There are no negatives to suicide.
All of that is factually incorrect. You should really look into your viewpoint more if you want to properly defend, especially one as serious as life and death.
Have you even watched the Doctor of Death? Or did everything in it just fly over your head?

>>38429895
Not him but aren't you just arguing for taking away people's autonomy based on your own personal definition or ideal of safety and happiness? What about those suicidal people who've rationally looked at the life ahead of them, or the world around them, and decided they simply want no part in it? Suicide is not necessarily an irrational act.

>>38429949
How am i going to take a tripfagging,anime posting,moralfag like yourself seriously?

>>38429911
Why be thicc when you can be sticc

How do people do it when they live in a subdvision with their parents and not wprry about being a vegetable when using a firearm?

that seems hard

would a pistol or shot gun to the head be irrevivable

i just hate you cant fade out and dissapear

>>38429895
Who's to say being suicidal makes you mentally ill? Its only natural to wish to put an end to something you don't enjoy.

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>>38429991
>What about those suicidal people who've rationally looked at the life ahead of them, or the world around them, and decided they simply want no part in it? Suicide is not necessarily an irrational act.
Suicide isn't an irrational act, no. But the people who tend to commit suicide are irrational and aren't fit to make that decision for themselves.
There's a difference between wanting to kill yourself because the cancer you have is bringing you an unbearable amount of pain with a procedure done by a licensed professional and shooting yourself with a 22. pistol in the face because you don't have a girlfriend or your Iphone broke.

>>38430028
Do or don't, it's your opinion you allow weaken and let falter.

>>38430038
Thicc>Sticc
The OP image is pretty good though, I'll admit.

>>38430064
not really. suffering is subjective

>parents spend 18 years raising you, all the money and resources wasted
>you cant handle life and you havent even hit the hard part yet
>damage your immediate family and friends for years to come with your bullshit

I'm all for fucking killing yourself faggot, but don't fucking ruin other people with your selfish bullshit.

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>>38430096
>killing yourself is selfish
>but expecting someone to suffer just so you don't have to feel negative emotions is not
almonds etc.

>>38430064
Granted there are a lot of stupid kids who kill themselves over a girlfriend or whatever. But what about someone who's lived a generally unsatisfactory/unpleasant life, looks at themselves at 30 and realises on balance things probably aren't going to improve, and eventually decides that they'd rather leave this world than continue down the horrible path ahead of them? Surely that person, having reflected upon their life and probable future, has the right to decide that they want no part of such a life. Maybe if they put in 190% they could possibly, maybe, make a difference but realistically speaking they almost certainly won't. Denying them suicide is basically just forcing them to live like cattle in misery until they die of some disease or other.

>>38430064
Who has the right to decide on what a person does with their own life? It is my life. It is my choice to take it,not yours or anyone elses. And if i want assistance in doing it,i have a right to that. Not that i ever would,but all those people that do want to die should have the choice to.it is a decision that they should make. We shouldnt be forcing people to live a life they dont want to be a part of.

>>38430096
Yeah, you can choose to care or not, but if your parents care about you in any capacity you're going to completely fuck the rest of their lives. Losing a kid fucks people up. Will cause significant suffering to anyone else in your life that have a shit about you too.

>>38430113
see
>>38430053

i get what you mean but how do people just not care anymore because id be afraid of being a vegetable and having knives and guns confiscated

>>38430100
The entirety of existence is suffering. Life is just the attempt to reduce the suffering as much as possible; this is the Buddhist mantra.

Death doesn't reduce suffering.

>>38430100
It's not about which is selfish or not, only that the claim that suicide hurts only the victim is untrue in most cases.

Because countries dont want their suicide rate to be high

Please 18+ only on this site

>>38430096
>forcing someone to be a part of a social heirarcy that doesn't want them
>calling me selfish

Wew kiddo.

>>38430134
There are very foolproof methods of killing yourself. Firearms are a bit of a gamble depending on your aim, but something like hydrogen sulfide will kill you very quickly and painlessly. Not to mention stuff like helium tanks and whatnot that'll knock you out and kill you. If you were really confident in wanting to die, leaping off a tall bridge would almost certainly kill you; if the fall somehow didn't do it you'd drown soon enough.

>>38430096
> killing yourself is selfish
> creating a self-aware doll just so you can please yourself and then leech off it's resources is not
Normie Logics 101.

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>>38430072
So you agree with me? Suffering is subjective, which is why we shouldn't allow any person half-sad over a trivial thing blow their brains out in a fit of irrationality.
If someone is upset enough to attempt to kill themselves over something as minuscule as a cell phone, they aren't mentally well enough to have the right to be in charge of their own physical well-being.

>>38430113
How many times has this person looked for help? How many times have they tried to genuinely improve themselves?
Like I said before, suicide isn't an irrational act by itself, it's just usually done by irrational and mentally unwell people.
If this man has done all he could to find happiness and self-improvement and so has everyone else, then I suppose he has the right to it.
You're situation also goes in hand with my previous viewpoint. Most people don't want to die so much as just end whatever suffering they're going through.

>>38430120
Someone mentally fit with full control of their capacities and function.

>>38430137
Death ends suffering.

>>38430177
would a double barrel shotgun to the forehead be easy to live through? i saw it in a thread and like everyone said no

id never wanna do it its just nice to know a way i guess

>>38430217
Death itself is a suffering, and causes only more suffering.

>>38430205
what you see as trivial, might be suffering to someone else. So while someone killing themselves over a phone might be minuscule to you, that doesn't mean it is.
no one has the authority to say what is true suffering.

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>>38429732
Because once the pleb class starts killing themselves off, the rich will have to start doing work.

Why do you think the church declared suicide to be a sin? They tell the serfs about how heaven is fair and just to all and they can live a wonderful life, all while the serfs are slaving in the mud fields and dying of disease. When you advertise death as greater than life, why would they not kill themselves? You get in there first by outlawing suicide so the workers keep working until their deaths.

That's all there is to it. Quantity of life > quality of life, because more people means less work for the ruling class.

>>38430233
Death is a release from suffering. If it causes suffering to others they too can embrace it.

>>38429911
Do men actually get paid for their bukkake contribution? I would've thought the sheer privilege of the act would have been enough pay.

>>38429732
Slaves have to keep doing slave things in order for their masters to stay comfy. The second suicide stops being taboo, you'll see droves of simple people killing themselves and the people in charge would suddenly have to grow their own food and clean their own toilets.

>>38430248
Death does not bring happiness (since you are dead, you cannot feel happiness), therefore it is not a release from suffering.

The only route to happiness is to accept suffering and life.

>>38430272
Lack of suffering does not mean happiness.

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>>38429732
Time for another riddle I see, this place requires it. Should be a simple one but that never means much around this place.

Tell me why suicide is illegal.

>>38429732
i guess people would rather fix the problem in their head

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>>38430238
If someone genuinely considers having an Iphone, a 200$ piece of plastic, worth taking their life over and "true suffering" they aren't sane or rational enough to have the right to take their own life.

>>38430250
If it's done by actual porn actress and actors? Yeah, they get paid for it. If it's an amateur job done for something like Pornhub, getting some free pussy and jerking off onto cute girls face is probably as much "payment" they're going to get.

>>38430272
Ot doesn't cause happiness, true, except for those who want you to die, but it still ends the suffering. It's a step forward.

Bad state_____Neutral state____Good state
Suffering --death--> Emptiness ||||| Happiness

>>38430294
Rationality is not the issue here. It is THEIR life. No one can or should dictate what they can do with it and what they can't do with it.

>>38430294
have you ever lost your phone before? i do not lie when i say it is a scary experience.

>>38430282
if you're the smartest person on 4chan why are you posting on /r9k/?

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>>38430326
Anon, that's literally the defense used to support transsexuals and their gender reassignment surgeries, ones that usually lead to even more suffering and suicide after the fact.
Everyone has the right to their own life, and some people need that control taken away from them until they're competent enough to take care of it themselves.

>>38430327
I have, but it's nothing I'm reaching for a gun over.

>>38430328
smartest person on here doesn't mean much at all. The things I took for granted as basic are not so on this website.

I am smart, but never thought of myself as above average or anything, I in fact always despised those who endlessly quote the "50% of the population is dumber than average", obviously thinking to themselves that they are in the upper half.

I never considered myself upper half, but it leaves me in a tricky position. Because from what I see, I must be in the upper half, but enh. Sucks when the evidence adds up to a conclusion you are not fond of, doesn't it? That's my problem I guess

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>>38429768
Nah, not right now. My insurance policy won't cover it just yet. That's on the list for next year, though.

>>38430376
Freedom at any cost. Freedom goes beyond right and wrong. Freedom is a right that everyone should have.

>>38429732
It's because most people will consider suicide during their lifetime. It may seem strange to a robot, but Chads and Stacies experience suicidal thoughts as well.
This is becaus dispair and sadness is normal for people to experience regularly no matter their high standards of living.

The thing is that normies will overcome their suicidal thoughts, and will later think that they've gone through more suffering than most other people on the planet.

This is why normies don't like it when people commit suicide. They believe that they've been in the exact same position. They think "I've been suicidal, but i overcame it and my life is great now! Therefore noone should commit suicide!".
Its pretty stupid but this is just how the brain works.

>>38430376
We know that trannies are unhappy after the surgery so there is a good reason not to do it. Are people still unhappy after killing themselves? If not, why refuse it?

>>38429732
BAD GOY
TAKE YOUR ZOLOFT AND GO BACK TO WORK

>>38431260
The thing is,there is nothing to feel after death. This is say,that nothing happens at all when we die. We go into a blank state of energy. There is literaly nothing to regret. But again,that is if there is infact nothing after death.

virtue signaling.

I imagine most people don't actually care, but they feel like they need to pretend so people know how good they are.

>>38429911
>Not enjoying both
As long as it is 2D

>>38430219
Your forehead is the thickest part of your skull, and you can survive injuries to the forebrain and people do fairly regularly. What you want to do is destroy your brain stem, the best way to do this is put the barrel in your mouth and aim slightly upward through your soft palate.

Obnoxious conspiritard here:

They want us alive because they're harvesting our emotional energy.

If we kill ourselves, that's less resources for them.

Imagine if cows and pigs woke up to the fact their entire life was a long trip down death row. Imagine if they worked out the one way to stick it to The Man was to kill themselves and deprive their owners of a profit.
Same deal with suicide.

If you're talking about euthanasia the issue is not whether you should be able to die, the real issue is whether another person should be allowed to assist you in doing so.

For instance, imagine you sign in the bottom of a blank paper sheet, then that person whips out a pistol and blows your brains out and after uses that sheet of paper and prints a contract in it in which you give him your consent to kill you.

Opening the door to euthanasia implies many people will begin faking euthanasia consents in order to get away with murder and would make law enforcement way way harder.

>>38429895
>You shouldn't let mentally ill people be in charge of themselves
I agree, blacks shouldn't be able to vote.