You're totally gonna be a commie for me and fight against

>>38370563
Wow what a qt

Shit ideology though, but capifalism is shit so ill give you that

>>38370563
Nope. Nice try though. Come back when you get better taste in civilization.

>>38370563
You now you want a real male to mount you.You now you secretly desire a dirty fascist like me.

>>38370563
Fuck no, ugly cunt

>>38370614
>proof fascists are retarded

>>38370563
6/10 underage gf
2/10 b8

>democracy instead of the republic

But a republic is democracy.

>>38370563
Fuck off you trap.

Nope boy

>>38370721
Sure.Women have no domination fantasy at all.Specially the lefties constantly sourrounded by weak numales.
Hows that oneitis going losermpai?

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>>38370608

>But anon, civilization can only move forward through socialism and communism. Have you not read Karl Marx's work and how he details how the poor lower class is mistreated and taken advantage by the greedy higher class capitalists?

all societies trend toward socialism as technology advances, this is a fact

>>38370858
Spend 10 minutes reading up on the history of the PRC

>>38370858
>easy-peasy lives make people think about stupid shit

I can live without a gf, fuck anybody threatening my private property

>>38370848
Desu the lower class deserves to be "mistreated". So do you you fucking commie trash.

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>>38370563
youtube.com/TheFinnishBolshevik

>>38370950
lmao is this cunt serious?

>>38370896
>>38370906
and what happens when 90% of the jobs are taken over by robots? 95? 99?

>>38370590
>>>>>>corporatism
Orgubak free heli rides for commies

>>38370998
Give me one reason why I should care about the lower class.

>>38371038
because you are probably the lower class, and are in perpetual denial of this

>>38371038
Because all wealth is built on the lower class. You realise that right? Without labour there can be no wealth.

>>38370563
The reason so many people tend to Marxism is because the manifesto and the handouts are written so that anyone with half brain can understand it. Anyone unironically a Marxist is a literal babby with obvious gaps in logic.

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>Not Totalitarian Libertarian

FUCKING ROASTIE THOTS REEEEE

>>38371070
This is exactly as true as "Without job creators there can be no wealth." It's at most a half truth and it loses some points on presentation.

>>38371148
>without job creators there can be no wealth
are you fucking retarded? are you saying that people who live entirely on their own don't have any wealth if they don't work for someone else?

>>38371060
>that projection
Kek. Stay mad poorfag.

>>38371070
Yes, I am aware of that. Thing is, there is an abundance of labor so most people are easy to replace. It's honestly unreasonable of them to expect much if they themselves are not worth much.

>>38371148
>"Without job creators there can be no wealth."
I hope you don't honestly believe this. This one of the most idiotic statements I've ever seen on here.

>>38371091
>is because the manifesto and the handouts are written so that anyone with half a brain can understand it
That's why Das Kapital exists

>>38371186
>Asks for one reason
>Gets a reason
>Y-yeah... b-but...
Just stop anon

>>38371186
>implying that's projection
Most people are in the proletariat class, that includes the middle class and even managers of businesses.

People think socialism is like 30/70 or something. It's poor people versus normal and rich people. Socialism is like 90/10, where if you make less than 150k a year in America, you are part of the proletariat.

>>38371220
Sorry, I should've said a GOOD and COMPELLING reason. As things are, the lower class is more than well off for what they put out. Honestly, they already get too much for what they do, and they still expect EVEN MORE.

>>38371244
>proletariat class
Come on son you and I know the only people that demand communism are the bottom of the barrel tier "people".

>>38371341
>bottom of the barrel tier
that class is called the lumpenproletariat, and they usually don't call for communism or any form of revolution

>>38371341
>moving the goal posts
>then demands that all reasons subscribe to his arbitrary definitions in order to be acceptable
lmao if you're trolling you're doing really bad at it

>>38371341
>the only people that demand communism
nigga do you know who karl marx was?

>>38371376
>that class is called blah blah blah commie made up words
Be real, when the fuck have you ever heard anyone that isn't a walmart cashier or fast food "cook" call for communism? Nobody. Oh wait! I forgot college faggots that took useless degrees and now are assblsted that they have debt and nothing in life is free.

>>38371391
What goal posts have I moved commie? I'm sorry I don't use your commie lingo that arbitrarily lumps in everyone that isn't a complete corporate fatcat making millions per minute into a single "class".

>>38371601
>Oh wait! I forgot college faggots that took useless degrees
>Come on son you and I know the only people that demand communism are the bottom of the barrel tier
ok your goalposts are on the moon by now

>>38371601
>Give me a reason
>Get reason
>NO A GOOD AND COMPELLING REASON
This is moving the goalposts. I'm sorry if you're too dumb to know this. You're even doing it with others lmfao

>>38371601
>when the fuck have you ever heard (random business chain worker) call for communism
i have heard workers call for it before, but even then i wouldn't really use an anecdote for my argument. i can't exactly understand what you're trying to prove here

>NEET robots arguing with me that they need socialism
I don't know why I tried

>>38371765
>implying everyone on here is NEETs
losing an argument can be a learning experience mate, take it in stride

>>38371668
>get chance to improve yourself
>waste it
You're still bottom of the barrel m8.

>>>38371686
>get a reason
I didn't think I had to specify I wanted a good reason. So what if they bust their asses working? They wouldn't have to if they got non shit jobs.

>>38371707
That the only "people" that want communism are bottom of thr barrel tier people.

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>>38371898
now you are just using retarded ambiguous statements just so you can say "yeah but I meant something else"

Also you are betting your entire argument on completely anonymous people being not just college grads and not just college grads with 'useless' degrees, but also with useless degrees that don't have jobs. Which could entirely be wrong.

>>38371210
Ok? The average human can't understand Das Kapital unless they had to study it. For school. Those kind of books are too hard or confusing for them.

>>38371898
>that the only people that want communism are bottom of the barrel people
and the class descriptor for bottom of the barrel is lumpenproletariat, which doesn't advocate for communism. When you say bottom of the barrel, I'm assuming you're just describing "people you don't like", instead of actually approaching the class demographics

>>38371975
Wow Mr. Commie! You have a degree! That totally makes me willing to support all the other lazy retards that want their gibsmedats! Thank you for making me see the light. :^)

>>38370563
Fuck you I hate communism

>>38370563
>>38370848
Is she wearing a wig? If you're gonna seduce me at least have your own fucking hair.

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>2017+
>Being a filthy commie
>when the largest mass murders in human history were made by Communist
>against other commies
>not even Nazi's killed as many people, less their own than the Commies did
>all Communism did was make everyone equal, by making everyone poor
>if you ever spoke out against any communist policy, they'd throw you in their political jails where you'd be tortured to death
>most Commies were pro traditional family and against faggots, trannies and other degenerate trash
>today's commies are almost exclusively made up of faggots, trannies, feminist and Muslims (even though Commies hated the religious because it interfered with the state being worshiped as a God)

There's a reason that Commies attract the lowest of the low in human society, under Communism, anyone that doesn't agree with you can easily be executed until you're surrounded by nothing but people who are too afraid to say anything against you. It's an ideology supported exclusively by limp wristed psychopaths who would like to rule over the "other" with an iron fist.

>>38371975
You know that even if he is upper class he's done absolutely nothing to get there right? You're arguing with a child trying to claim credit for what others have done

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>>38370563

yeah let me grab my gun first.

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>>38372268
>when the largest mass murders in human history were made by communists
pic related
>all communists did was make everyone equal
not true, in the ussr people were paid by how useful their job was and how useful the products were (see: marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/fi/vol06/no06/soviet.htm)
>most commies were pro traditional family and against faggots
is that a bad thing?
>today's commies are made up of faggots trannies etc etc
that certainly is a problem, yes

>>38372321
>more commie projection
I'm sorry you don't know any other ways of making a living other than become some low tier wageslave kek.
Fags like you are the reason it's easy to move up, all competition is retarded.

>>38372458
>let's blame literally everything ever on capitalism
Wew, if grasping at straws was an olympic sport you'd get Gold, silver and bronze.

>>38370858
C. 1917

>>38371038
Because I care about you <3

>>38372664
>some assorted capitalist countries have large amounts of deaths
>this is somehow "grasping at straws"
do you think the Black Book is "grasping at straws" too? the image and the Black Book both say deaths occurred, does this make the Black Book illegitimate? This argument is really not something to say if you're trying to prove a point

>>38372784
No, considering you have shit like blacks being lynched, civil wars, and the shit the National SOCIALISTS did on there, you really are just lumping in every thing ever on that list.

Furthermore, consider that only countries that followed capitalism Actually got anything out of their hardships. All the communist countries suffered more, and in the end have nothing to show for it.

>>38373072
>considering you have shit like blacks being lynched, civil wars
so this shouldn't be considered a problem in capitalist countries? considering the black book did the same to find deaths in communist countries, this is an appropriate response to the "100million deaths" argument. (also, even if you don't think lynching and the concentration camps are a legitimate thing to cite on the list, you can still find that the death toll is still higher than communism)
>the shit that national socialists did
if they were so socialist, then why are Strasserists a thing? And if they were so socialist, why were private banks and businesses around as well?
>all the communist countries suffered more, and in the end have nothing to show for it
considering the USSR was the second highest growing economy in the 20th century, and Russia during the USSR heavily industrialized Russia, it'd be fair to say there is much to show.

>>38373326
*aren't a legitimate thing to cite

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>>38372447
What a lame post you've written there.

>>38373326
>shouldn't be considered a problem in capitalist countries?
Problems in capitalist countries =/= problems with capitalism. It's just there to arbitrarily inflate the count.
>if they were socialist
Right, forgot those weren't """true""" socialists same as how nobody has tried """"true"""" communism.

>considering the USSR was the second highest growing economy in the 20th century,
Ignoring the fact that it COLLAPSED, The standard of living for the average person was shit. Right now China is the second largest economy in the world but their living standards are garbage. Same for all other communist countries. Or are you gonna tell me that Venezuela isn't """true""" communism.

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>be a commie for me
>and support democracy

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I want to reign as supreme king of the universe and guide humanity under my just hand into a better future

commies are simply sheep that follow slave morality - "if I cant be the best, ill drag everyone down with me so that we can all suffer in equality"

>>38373763
>problems in capitalist countries =/= problems with capitalism
then it should be an equal and logical opinion that problems in communist countries =/= problems with communism
>right, forgot those weren't "" true"" socialists
well Hitler hated Marxism, so i don't see your point. Unless if you think he was just lying, I don't see your point here.
>ignoring the fact that it collapsed
The real reason why the USSR transitioned into the Russian Federation is because of the ignoring of the Soviet Referendum in 1991.
>the standard of living for the average person was shit
compared to conditions to Imperial Russia, it was certainly better
>Right now China is the second largest economy in the world but their living standards are garbage
i agree, China deserves better
>same for all other communist countries
China has a majority of private property, and their economy seems to be more reminiscent of corporatism than communism. Also, Venezuela has 77% private property as well, and the opposition to the government has both leftist and right wing groups with it. It's not that I don't think they countries are "true communism", it's that they have a lot of similarities to state capitalism (and even right wingers will say China is capitalist)

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we commies get all the women
fascists be mad lol

>>38370563
I will give her my fascist seed

>>38370563
>>38370848
new phone who dis

she (he?) cute

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>>38370563
Fuck off marxist scum.

>>38370786
>all these buzzwords in one post

No wonder you picked an ideology like fascism. Your whole personality is just memes.

>>38374011
>>38374011
>then it should be an equal and logical opinion that problems in communist countries =/= problems with communism
I haven't blamed anything on communism that wasn't a direct result of communist policy though. On the other hand, your image somehow proposes that the laws of supply and demand cause people to violently attack others for their skin color.

>well Hitler hated Marxism, so i don't see your point.
Your image on the "evils" of capitalism blames the acts of socialists on capitalism. That's my point.

>compared to conditions to Imperial Russia, it was certainly better.
That indeed is an improvement, but still way behind everyone else.
>i agree, China deserves better
Yeah
>those countries are more like corporatism
All countries that have tried communism have failed to become "truly" communist, so even if saying communism is a failure is unproven, we can see the road to communism is indeed very dangerous. Capitalism itself may not be perfect, but it remains leagues better.

>>38372458
>capitalism is a system based on private property and voluntary exchange
so what the fuck does any of this have to do with capitalism?

>>38370563
anon my alegance is to the republic, to DEMOCRACY