ITT: nofap opinions What's your opinions on nofap, anons?

I can't do it. If i go more than 2 days without cumming I start to literally fall in love with every woman to so much as makes eye contact with me.

I gotta get that poison out.

Longest I went was 2 months and I had to consciously keep myself from grabbing women on the streets and kissing them.

Testosterone is a curse.

I'm trying it just like you anon, all I can say is its worth a shot; I masturbate every day and I just feel like doing nothing afterwards. Zero motivation. Maybe this'll help me out.

>>37930675
>Longest I went was 2 months and I had to consciously keep myself from grabbing women on the streets and kissing them.

anon, you just have to learn self control. I assume you would have learned self control had you actually made it through two months of nofap.
have a good day, friend.

>>37930456

I believe there are. Increased confidence was always one for me. Just feeling good, honestly was another one. I just felt satisfied and good with myself.

>>37930456
currently on day 3. Plan on going 30 at least. I'm trying to make myself asexual.

>>37930456
It's puritanical sophistry dressed up in pseudo-science designed to appeal to people who don't want to introspect to find solutions the problems that they are experiencing.

You don't increase your testosterone levels, you don't rewire your brain, it doesn't make you more outgoing.

The one benefit of nofap is that it is an exercise in self control, which is something that lots of people don't use regularly.
However, I read a paper recently that said something about how self control isn't trained like a muscle, so maybe even that marginal benefit doesn't exist.
Though even if practicing self control was a good thing, chanelling that into nofap over ANYTHING else seems like a huge waste of time.

>>37930783

I would disagree with you on the testosterone levels. I think it makes sense that when you splooge, you release a lot of testosterone. If you do this regularly, obviously testosterone levels would go down. This makes sense to me, correct me if I'm wrong though.

>>37930783
>The one benefit of nofap is that it is an exercise in self control,
That's probably the main reason I'm doing it. If I can't choose to stop fapping whenever I please, doesn't that mean I lack self-control?

>>37930783
>I read a paper recently that said something about how self control isn't trained like a muscle
sauce on this please. I definitely have improved my self-control through ju-jitsu.

>>37930828
Ejaculation doesn't affect testosterone levels.
Sexual activity raises it but wanking doesn't really move the needle much.
Overall the two aren't really connected.

>>37930783
Wow, you sound like a huge faggot. please kys right now senpai.

>>37930456

as an exercise in self-discipline

i mean if you just sit on your hands all day avoiding masturbation then what's the fucking point but if you train yourself in something "productive" (relatively speaking) then you will of course grow mentally, physically and spiritually

just don't waste time posting updates and shit like a faggoty mormon or born-again for attention, that's basically also a form of masturbation

>>37930456
>nofap
I don't care about pursuing sex and relationships so I find it pointless. If I go for too long without fapping I become extremely irritable. If I fap everyday I'm too numb. I just fap 1-2 times a week now, because otherwise I start having wet dreams. For me fapping has become another activity that I want to get done fast, like taking a piss or shit. It doesn't provide me with any great pleasure anymore.

>>37930711
I'm trying to stop watching porn desu anon. It's getting to the point where it's detrimental now
OP here btw

>>37930783
Interesting but I'm Gunna need sauce on that anon please

>>37931013

yeah, porn usually gets to that point whether you recognize it or not.

>>37931148
In a nutted (no pun intended) version, i went from Huge tits, ive always loved them to- Breast expansion to transformation, inflation, impregnation, possession and it ended with lactation and transformation.

i cant do it anynore, i want to get better i want to be better and i want to help myself.

Nofap is pseudoscience that losers partake in so they can feel like they're making a change without actually having to put any effort into it

protip: your body needs to cum just like it needs to piss, shit, and intake nutrients. If you're fapping 4-5 times a day, every day, to the point you'd rather fap than go out, than yeah, maybe cut back a bit, but going weeks or months without fapping is actively harmful

lol does that mean the majority has a B cup instead of an A cup?
lame

>>37931205
>but going weeks or months without fapping is actively harmful
What kind of harmful are we talking about anon?

>>37930456
Each passing day there is less justice in this world.

>>37931543
prostate cancer, to begin with

>>37930828
The most well known study that showed no significant increase in testosterone levels during abstinance was a chinese one that was hosted at this site previously:
http://www.zju.edu.cn/jzus/2003/0302/030219.pdf
however, that isn't working anymore. Here is a link to the abstract I found with a bit of googling:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1631%2Fjzus.2003.0236
There is another study that came to a similar conclusion, but you need a pubmed login to read it in full. Here is the abstract:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788
Also, if you disagreed, why not just google it to find out?
>>37930901
I'm struggling to find it, it isn't in my pubmed history OR general browser history. Maybe I read it on my phone? It was published last month, but I can't remember who authored it or even where it was from, so feel free to ignore that part.
>>37931033
Sauce on what? The testosterone stuff is above, the rewiring your brain part I included because nofap conflates porn addiction with regular masturbation. There is nothing that needs to be rewired if you have healthy masturbation habits, and if you're addicted to porn (or anything), it is very possible that quitting cold turkey without implementing significant lifestyle changes is not going to do anything for you.
Being outgoing has nothing to do with the neural pathways around masturbation. The reason I mentioned the self control aspect in my original post is because by changing your lifestyle, you can change your outlook. If you're going to say to yourself "I'm not going to masturbate, so I want to find women to have sex with for sexual release", then you're exercising self control to put yourself in more social situations. You could just as easily skip out the no-masturbating part and replace it with any other justification.

>>37930456
meanwhile japanese men are all kill from no test

>>37931779
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241
On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline ( P < 0.01). ... The results showed that ejaculation-caused variations were characterized by a peak on the 7th day of abstinence; and that the effective time of an ejaculation is 7 days minimum.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788
Antinofap shillls btfo
INCREASED TESTOSTERONE EVEN AFTER 3 WEEKS

Fapping doesn't do scientifically proven damage, contrary to what redittards claim. Porn, however, does damage and it is best to completely forget it.

>>37931811
Makes sense, though. Female hormones in the food and water make women bustier but make men faggier.

It's happening to all of us in developed countries. Gotta get some serious farming regulations set up to completely ban the use of growth hormones on livestock.

>>37931779
>>37930456
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17239879
Increaed estrogen receptor sensitity in the brain of rats after sexual activity
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18234307
Sexual satiety is the long term inhibition of masculine mating behavior after repeated ejaculations and is associated to changes in both androgen receptor and estrogen receptor-alpha expression.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095799
Post orgasmic release of prolactin. Prolactin causes lactation in females and is linked to higher estrogen levels

>>37932019
>thinks that chads who get loads of pussy literally every night are low on test from cumming too much
nofap is literally just a war on betas

>>37932041
Wrong. It decreases testosterone sensitivity and increases estrogen sensitivity and is the sole reason why white people aren't breeding.

>>37932019
Why did you not include this sentence:
>No regular fluctuation was observed following continuous abstinence after the peak.
In other words
>I masturbate on the first of july
>my serum testosterone levels remind the same until the 7th
>on the seventh there is a spike
>on the eighth it is back to normal

It is worth noting that changing your diet and exercise regimes can influence your serum testosterone levels by 10-40%. So if you really wanted to have higher testosterone ALL THE TIME AND NOT JUST ONCE A WEEK FOR A FEW HOURS, then you could workout and eat better.

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>>37930456
no fap is fucking retarded
there are no "benefits" all the people who say that it helped them just deluded themselves into thinking that it actually helped them

its a fucking placebo
why don't you actually improve yourself instead of just trying to stop fapping and failing

show me actual scientific studies that show benefits of no fap

>>37932071
>thinks that Chads fuck every night and not on the weekend on Friday and Saturday
Sorry but if you see a lot of dudes who fuck the same girl every night they're usually skinny little bitches because they're getting sexually drained all the time.

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>>37930456
Not exactly no fap, but over the past week I went from fapping all day to only fapping after 8pm everyday. Went from 6-8 times a day to 2-4. Might move to a no fap month. I also make sure not to fap to Kemono Friends art as well.

>>37932083
No see >>37932053
Jews have been putting female hormones into our food for a while and it makes white males faggier and less prone to relations.

>>37930722
I was gonna ignore this post but how did that anon not have self-control? He had very strong desires but was able to suppress them each time, isn't that a fantastic display of self-control?

>>37932083
the cost of raising a child is the reason that people aren't procreating. It has almost nothing to do with pornography or masturbation. Whites and Asians are smart enough to understand that having a child costs hundreds of thousands of dollars so they have fewer children later in life. Niggers are too stupid to think about consequences for their actions.

Another major reason for low white/asian birthrates is due to religiosity. Catholics have a lot of children, so do Mormons and Muslims, but atheists and agnostics don't. That's why the Hispanic birthrate is so high

>>37932092
No it's not. The second study showed still elevated testosterone levels after three weeks. Peak doesn't mean it immediately drops back to the baseline it just means that it stops increasing. Ideal time of ejaculation is once ever 1 to 3 weeks.

>>37932129
Stop with this white people are smart bullshit. We are not smart. It is not smart to stop procreating so you literally die out. It was not for white men to literally invite niggers into their bedroom to fuck their wives. Asians do breed so don't group them with whites.

>>37930456
Started nofap beginning of may. Got a girlfriend by beginning of June. Lost virginity the week after. All of this while never having even had kissed a girl. Nofap works.

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>>37930456
>What's your opinions on nofap, anons? I'm trying it are there any legit benefits?
I tried it a couple of times. It always went down like this:

- First few days: Incredible urge to fap. Hard to distract from it. Difficulty concentrating on complicated mind work.

- After 1 week. Urge isn't as strong anymore. Can handle it. Therefore I got more aggressive. (not towards others, but in a self-critical way) Still occasionally distracted in works that need full attention.

- After 2 weeks: Urge is gone. Full control over mind. Don't think of sexual things, even when seeing a hot grill. Downside: Feel increasingly 'numb' and tired mentally. Like life has no real incentive. Not in a suicidal way, but more like an ant that just works, eats, sleeps lethargically. And that's basically how it stays for the weeks after.
Honestly I didn't feel any of the supposed benefits at all, like increased energy and whatnot. In actuality it made my mind more foggy initially, I felt irritated too. Masturbation is a natural thing and it relaxes your body and mind. It make you a tired for about 10 mins after ejaculation, but that's it. Any perceived tiredness is not from fapping, but more mentally related I guess. IMHO it's not worth it and may be detrimental to your own health. Fap away!

>>37930456
if you resist fapping for say a week your fap after that will be god tier.

>>37932129
So you're a greedy piece of shit who pouts a hot tub over fulfilling your biological obligations.

>>37932163
You're right it's not smart to disparage your own race you fucking cuckold

>>37932083
Anon, that doesn't make sense. Why does fapping reduce test, while actual sexual intercourse doesn't?

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>>37930456
>Fap too much recently
>Orgasms haven't been as good
>Decide to nofap for a while
>Go 3 days without fapping
>Have a wet dream
>Wake up with spunk all over my underwear

How do I stop doing this? It's defeating the purpose of nofap, and I have to wash myself in the middle of the night. It's annoying me.

>>37932182
You're so full of shit. Fapping in moderation is the best way. If you have no girl jerk off every one to two weeks and your orgasms are crazy. If you have a grl then fuck her once or twice a week.

>>37932198
>he has wet dreams
How old are you?

>>37932192
Sexual intercourse increases prolactin even more so in theory it's even worse for testosterone. Men in relationships tend to habve lower tesosterone than men who are single. If you're already mating the body doesn't need to signal you to go out and find a mate.

>>37932219
I'm 22. It only happens when I try nofapping. I go to bed really really horny and wake up jizzing myself. I can't help it.

>>37932191
It is when my race is doing incredibly stupid shit and making a fool of itself on a worldwide stage

>>37932216
>If you have a grl then fuck her once or twice a week.
Pathetic, low-libido weakling.

>>37932258
How do you explain those serial womanisers, then? The guys who get all the girls, the chads and so on.

>>37932301
I would beat the fuck out of you. I'm telling you what is ideal for your health. Not that I couldn't fuck every day or even multiple times a day but it's just not the best way.

>>37932186
I'm not a greedy piece of shit, I'm a desperately lonely robot who would kill to raise a child, I'm just telling you how it is
>>37932163
>We are not smart. It is not smart to stop procreating so you literally die out
Japan and South Korea have some of the highest national IQs in the world and they are experiencing far worse demographic decline than we are. There is an undeniable negative correlation between intelligence and fertility. This has been studied by numerous sociologists. The stupidest people and stupidest countries tend to procreate the most, I think that explains why Africa is as shitty as it is.

>>37932216
How am I full of shit? How does my statement contradict with yours in any way?

I didn't claim to know the perfect fapping interval or anything like that. Just merely giving my experience. Maybe you need to fap more to be more sociable?

smug_smile.jpg

>>37932258
AFAIK prolactin means next to nothing. It's just emitted directly after orgasm and relieves tension from the muscles temporarily. Its effects are completely gone after 15 to 30 mins and I've never heard it affecting hormonal levels to a significant point.

The real thing to quit is porn. I'm approaching 30 days for nofap and going for 3 months. Most I've ever done and I'm doing really well, I think. After my 90 days I'll use it as a reward system but absolutely no more porn.

>>37932314
You have binges and breaks. You can have a bing of a lot of sex for a short period and then you need breaks to recover. Constant sex all the time leads to sexual exhaustion. Most "Chad's" aren't getting laid with a different girl every single day. Maybe once every couple of weeks. Most dudes with girlfriends who they fuck everyday end up pussy-whipped.

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>>37932219
Wet dreams are like menstruations on man, you can't stop it unless you fap.

>>37932345
Sure, maybe not every day but more than once every couple of weeks. A two-week dry spell is considered a really bad and unusual thing.

>>37932345
a binge* that is

>>37932378
You seriously overestimate the amount of sex people are having.

>>37932329
Estrogen is tied to prolactin. Prolactin literally makes women lactate.

>>37932065
1.
>rats
>even mentions no increase in estradiol levels
>short term reactivitiy to provide immediate satiation so as to not fuck forever
2.
>same authors as in 1
>increasing serum androgen levels increases sex drive
>this is pretty much the conclusion you would draw from 1, but worked out in a lab with dosages
3.
>Masturbation resulted in a prolactin response 1/4th the size as from PIV sex, are you now arguing for no-sex?
>Prolactin is not just for lactation, it is used for the regulation of almost every bodily fluid, infact some sperm/ejaculation problems can be caused by LOW prolactin levels.

You should probably say a little bit about what you took out of the studies, because nothing there is pro- or anti- masturbation.

>>37932433
1.
ESTROGEN RECEPTOR SENSITIVITY IN BRAIN
2.EVERYONE KNOWS ANGROGENS INCREASE SEX DRIVE
THE POINT IS AFTER THE RATS FUCKED THEY STOPPED WANTING SEX
3. YES TEMPORARY ABSTINENCE FROM SEXUAL ACTIVITY INCREASES TESTOSTERONE LEVELS
You have a thick ass head you faggot.

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>>37932137
>Peak doesn't mean it immediately drops back to the baseline
Actually, that is exactly what a peak is. /\, that is a peak
I've read the study. I'll find a graph for you.

>>37932400
I've heard them, anon. I've been amongst them.

Besides, what would be the point to sex fucking up your testosterone levels? How would that help an organism to reproduce, survive, or even ensure the survival of its mate and offspring?

>>37932065
>having sex is bad for man
hmmm

>>37932480
That's not immediately. And that's a rough chart. It still hasn't hit baseline levels at the end of the chart and look at the other stuy I linked. It showed STILL ELEVATED TESOTSERONE LEVELS AFTER 3 WEEKS> Listen dude fap away. I know it's stupid. But you keep being delusional think constantly jerking off is healthy or normal. Let me know which other animal compulsively masturbates please.

>>37932482
Because once you've gotten sex you no longer have to seek it out.

>>37932466
The sexual satiety period was at make a few days for those rats. 30% of their control were having sex the next day. That isn't exactly alarming. Also, you're conflating masturbation with ejaculation. Unless you're also arguing against all ejaculation, I don't see how anything you're posting is signifcant to frequent masturbation.

No where does the third paper even mention testosterone levels. It's just suggesting that prolactin is an indicator of sexual satisfaction post orgasm.

>>37932556
Listen loser keep jacking off but you are only rationalizing your harmful addiction/

>>37932126
Blame it on da joooos all you like but its ultimately your decision to eat said food, right?

>>37932542
But you need to do it more than once. And you need to make sure your babby is actually born and doesn't die in infancy. You gotta keep pumping her until your sure she's pregnant then you gotta keep pumping her to make sure she's close enough to keep safe until she has the babby.
And you need to remain strong enough, and interested enough, to hunt food for both of you to keep her and the kid alive long enough.

We aren't fucking mayflies.

>>37932644
I don't know man that's juust what it is.

>>37932603
Is it? What's the alternative? To starve and die?

Keep in mind that animal products are in absolutely everything. To avoid it, you would have to go into the mountains and live the hermits life. And that means no computer and internet.

>>37932531
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788
No, that abstract is just poorly worded.
Here is a link to the study:
https://www.reuniting.info/download/pdf/01_Endocrine_Response.pdf
The increase you're talking about was when they had the two groups watch porn. Their testosterone levels increased relative to the group that had been masturbating. Scroll down to the graphs and you'll see where the abstract came from.

While you're looking at those graphs, feel free to check the starting point for both groups on the serum testosterone graph. You'll notice they're essentially at the same height. That is because there is NO INCREASE IN SERUM TESTOSTERONE FROM ABSTAINING FROM ORGASM.

>>37932679
Okay so when you don't have sex and then you're exposed to sex you're more motivated to fuck them. That's what uyou just proved. FREQUENT MASTURBATION IS NOT HEALTHY OR NORMAL IT IS A SICKNESS>

>>37932531
>Let me know which other animal compulsively masturbates please.
Dogs. They hump anything and everything.

>>37932756
That's because they can't jerk off. When you don't jerk off you're hornier.

>>37932697
Yes, not having sex for a long time makes you appreciate the sex you then have. What a break through.

Look, feel free to believe what you want. As long as you realise that there is no scientific basis for your claims. It's called faith. Some people believe in gods, others in pixies, you think masturbation is a sickness.

Sure thing bud.

>>37932771
>When you don't jerk off you're hornier.
What? But there are anons who jerk off All. The. Time. They never stop getting horny.
Some on no-fap report they get less horny after a certain amount of time.

There are too many holes in this whole theory.

>>37932787
No faggot. WHEN YOU DON'T CUM YOU ARE HORNIER. WHEN YOU DON:'t HAVE SEX YOU SEEK OUT SEX YOU STUPID MOTHER FUCKER.. There is plenty of backing for the shit I say you just can't stop jacking off. It has nothing to do with god. The study proved it. If you go without sex and then you are exposed to sex your testosterone gets higher than if you've been jerking off all the time. POINT BLANK

>>37932826
The study proved it. Men who didn't jerk off had higher testosterone when they watched porn.

>>37930456
constant fap eventually leads to ED which will ruin your first time

>>37932853
I didn't say it had anything to do with god, just that you are ignoring what the papers say in favour of finding little sentences that fit your pre-defined notion that "frequent masturbation is a sickness".

Nothing in any study I've read, or that has been posted here, mentioned anything about being hornier when you abstain. Nor anything about seeking sex.

Actually, on the topic of that. We're on a board that prides itself on being full of virgins. Virgins by definition don't have sex, and yet to be a virgin you by definition haven't (successfully) sought out sex.

Stop bringing up papers that you don't understand. If you wanted to take something out of that one, you should have read this part:
The current study demonstrated that 3 weeks of sexual
abstinence elevated basal testosterone concentrations
and increased both subjective sexual arousal and sub-
jective interpretation of the quality of the orgasm.
However, despite these subjective reports, acute absti-
nence did not alter the well-characterised cardiovascular
and endocrine responses to orgasm.

There you go, the participants who abstained felt that the quality of their orgasm was better. Again, is that a surprise? That after not orgasming for three weeks, their orgasm seemed more intense? The interesting part is that there wasn't any change in the biological processes that are known to occur after orgasm.
Which is to say
that
abstaining
didn't
do
anything
apart
from
make
them
feel
a
bit
better

WOAH MAN.

>>37932955
I fapped constantly. First time was about mid-20s. Didn't get ED at all.

Unless you count not being able to finish whatsoever. Rock hard, kept pounding away at that pussy for an hour but didn't cum.
I suppose that is still dysfunction.

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No one would ask if they are benefits if
>you actually managed to do it for at least 2 weeks
>you don't have other types of drug addictions on top of porn/masturbation/orgasm addiction

>>37930456
Don't be fooled. Growing from mosquito bites to small speed bumps results in a statistically huge leap.