Now that the dust is starting to settle, what are your thoughts

He's definitely changed my perspective on a lot of things

>>37857625
A brain in an ocean of turbans, glitter, and feces.

>>37857936
like how? unoriginal

>>37857625
Unironically helped me sort myself out.

>>37857625
Sophist.

how the fuck would anyone of us know

he's the godamn doctor

his philosophy is flawed in the same way religions are flawed, he alludes to some vague utopia to justify all the effort, struggle and suffering but it's not real. It's a good con to inspire you to want to be more pro-social and that's it unless you care about what literally insane people (postmodernists) are up to, though peterson himself doesn't do much except help to crystallize how horrible life is

>>37858042
>inspires you to be better
>It's a con
Yeah, why isn't he telling me to be a NEET and do nothing but shitpost all day long? Fuck him.

Sort yourself out anon, and also clean your room.

>>37857957
I became more aware of the problems that have been going on in my family.
He made me less misogynistic by a moderate amount.
Made me realize all the autistic shit i would do that i was completly oblivious to before..

Also the whole responsibility meme was pretty impactful.
Mainly the part about how people use faults about themselves as excuses because it's easier than facing the burden (whatever it may be).

>>37858159
I was ganna post the exact same greentext as you

>>37858159
I don't think he inspires you to be "better" I think he inspires you to challenge yourself which is unpleasant

Who the fuck is he? From what I gather, he seems to be some kind of self-help shilling retard.

AND THAT'S THE BLOODY THING WITH IDEOLOGIES. YOU KNOW I ALWAYS SAY THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE IDEAS, IDEAS HAVE PEOPLE. AND THAT'S THE BLOODY IDEA THAT'S WRAPPED ITS HEAD AROUND AN UNDERWATER KOREAN BASKET WEAVING CARTOON MESSAGE BOARD.

IT'S LIKE.

IT'S LIKE YOU DECIDE OK, OK SO LETS SAY YOU TURN IN AN ESSAY OR A TEST AND YOU GET A PRETTY POOR GRADE YOU KNOW, ONE YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE GOING TO GET. NOW YOU'VE ENCOUNTERED AN ANOMALY. YOU'VE LEFT THE TREES AND YOU'RE ON THE VELDT, AND THAT'S THE BLOODY THING. IT'S NOT ON YOUR OWN VOLITION OF COURSE. SO YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OPTIONS YOU CAN BUCKLE DOWN AND TRY HARDER. OR LETS SAY THIS BAD GRADE THROWS YOU SO. FAR. OFF. THE. TRACK. THAT YOU SAY WELL I COULD JUST DROP THIS CLASS. I COULD JUST DROP OUT OF COLLEGE. I COULD DROP OUT OF THE NORMS OF SOCIETY. AND THEN YOU CAN DROP OUT OF LIFE.

AND BELIEVE ME. THAT IS NOT A ROUTE YOU WANT TO GO DOWN. YOU CAN EXTRAPOLATE THE CONSEQUENCES OF A BAD GRADE ALL THE WAY TO GENOCIDE. AND THAT'S NO JOKE BUCKO

>>37858042
He doesn't allude to a vague utopia and he definitely doesn't justify suffering, not even a little bit, not even once.

You need to listen more carefully. He's telling you that there is no utopia, vague or otherwise, and that you are going suffer horribly and if you think you are already suffering, good fucking luck with what will inevitably happen in the future.

If you want to reduce that suffering there are things you can do but its your choice. You may find it uncomfortable or challenging, rationally its still a good deal but its up to you if you'd rather suffer.

I think his arguments in this area are pretty straight forward to be honest with you and bordering on truisms.

>>37858294
He's a philosopher, clinical psychologist and professor at U Toronto.

I was first introduced to him as a result of his outspoken defense of free speech and opposition to the SJW movement. I think this was the first video of his I saw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP3mSamRbYA

From there I've started exploring his larger body of work which ranges from self-help topics through to the deeper meanings within ancient mythological traditions and religious texts. I enjoy the self-help topics because they feel like they've been perfectly targeted to exactly the problems I'm struggling with in my life, while the mythological topics are just bloody interesting.
E.g.
About halfway into this for self-help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QctT0Oc_uQQ
Maps of meaning for the mythological concepts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8Xc2_FtpHI

I liked him but I was listening to his Joe organ appearance and at the end he went on a weird sidebar about religion that didn't make all that much sense but he treat it as gospel.

Kind of makes me think he's bright about a lot of stuff but if he can't challenge his own beliefs about that sort of stuff and willing to 'think around it' he's not all that special

>>37858337
the all caps is working against you because you know that show Peterson pontificating he has to pause dramatically
there is rhythm you're missing but you've tapped into enough of his phrasing to humorous effect
good job; you tried

>>37858524
Oh, so he's some alt-right faglord. dropped.

>>37858541
I feel the same. He thinks critically about a lot of undoubted modern social norms but he has these convulated beliefs that make me doubt he actually has a plan.

>>37857625
I really like his lectures on psychology, he's an uncanny orator. But his political and sometimes philosophical stuff is just atrocious. It's really amazing that someone with a PhD and reputation in his main field can remain so ignorant and vocal about the state of other disciplines at the same time.

>>37858631
best post itt desu senpai baka

>>37858596
>Alt right

He's classic liberal

>>37858682
>classical liberal
Literally the new cool buzzword for right wingers

>>37858701
Not exactly. Sam Harris is considered a classical liberal by many but absolutely gets the alt-rights autism buzzing like a wasp.

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>>37858596
>Jordan Peterson
>Alt right

Fucking kek, where did you get that from?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fInko6WL9No

>>37858716
I guess you could call him that, but Harris has quite a few "progressive" leftie views.

>>37858682
He seems to be a very pure kind of conservative to me. I don't think he buys into any part of liberalism that I can see.

His fundamental position seems to be that structures are generally useful in minimising suffering. Liberals believe structures cause suffering. Its fairly fundamental.

He's great and he actually motivates me to read books.
I have bought the gulag archipelago vol I. And the myth of mental illness.
Both are great books and I plan on getting the others he recommends as well.

For a robot he's like a prophet. On a YouTube comment someone said he's the father I've never had. Doesn't apply to me specifically but it says alot for someone to admit that.

>>37858596
you couldn't be more wrong
opposing social justice ideology doesn't automatically turn you into Richard Spencer

Is this the guy that pol likes? Fedora Peterson

>>37858807
/pol/ likes bits and parts of what Peterson offers. An absolute hard on for BTFOing SJWs and an advocacy for religion

Ignoring striving to be a good person for you, for your family, for society, and for the world, being careful of idealogues, letting go of resentment, denouncement of nazism, and being aware and wary of the potential for evil inside of one self.

>>37858789
He is literally saying what fathers used to say to their kids. Well, the advice parts anyway, not so much theories on chaos and Beowulf.

The stereotype of a trad dad is someone yelling at his son to "pull yourself together". This is what JP does too but there is more to it. Remember though it was women who did the stereotyping and complaining about this, its because the parts about responsibility and duty that go with it are stuff they can't understand or register.

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>>37858596
not exactly anon. sort urself oot

>>37858701
do you even know what a classical liberal is, mongoloid

>>37857625
>alright, now look off into the distance
>dude psychology lmao

>le marxism killed 100 gorillion

ok buddy

Watching his biblical lecture right now, no one has ever influenced me more than he has, no joke. He filled the gaps that my father left out growing up, leading to me being a fuck up.

He's my guru.

I'll take up arms with him and follow him to whatever end...
...for narnia

>>37858021
>implying there aren't PhD holders on r9k

>>37858631
I actually think he's quite smart but his surmising of Derrida and postmodernism on the Joe Rogan show was some intense bullshit. PM has mostly been misconstrued, mangled by sjws and lumped in with feminism.

In reality it's the most robot philosophy ever.

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>>37858716
Y'know, I was actually thinking about Harris's political stances recently. Classic liberal is probably what best describe him. As far as new age atheists/smart dudes go, he's a pretty reasonable guy.

Retard without original ideas. Still a net positive though, as he made a bunch of people unironically "sort themselves out".

He's great, I love listening to the guy.
One possible criticism is that he refers to the likes of Jung, Piaget, Nietzsche and Solzhenytzin so much that it is hard to make out which ideas are actually his own.

>>37857625
He is too basic bitch for my taste

Literally, that anti-sjw shit was so 5 years ago.

Common Filth is right, the problem is not sjws, its fags and their white enablers

>>37861178
>intellectual property

fuck off

>>37861225
That's not the way I meant it /t/, no reason to get so worked up.

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>>37857625
jordan peterson is good for the first 30 minutes, but then he gets really self-masturbatory.

His latest videos are attending alt-right cuck auditoriums and getting 10 minute applauses for saying basic shit. He needs to stop doing that. Jordan is best when he's neutral.

>>37857625
>Now that the dust is starting to settle, what are your thoughts on Jordan Peterson?

He sure does love gulags, atomic weapons, and attributing to Marx things he never said or even cared about.
Of his actual philosophy, he is a christian apologist, trying to be a scientific thinking rationalist skeptic and a christian at the same time, and struggling hard to make it work.
I can see how he'd be useful to other people in this position, as he does succeed on the surface level, and only when you begin to argue what "truth" or "real" means does his story fall apart.

I am sure he is good at his job, which is criminal psychology, but I wish people would realize he is a crap philosopher.
There is a reason why nihilism is so popular, it is the logical conclusion of there being no God and no greater purpose, and us being animals. He wants to break this logical conclusions, put roadblocks on the way so people don't reach it, and this is beneficial to society, state, etc. Its just philosophically wrong.

>>37858716
The "classical liberals", the people who started the movement, would all be considered leftie socialists today. Far left even.

Harris is a facts man, I like that about him, but he is also strongly for the personal ownership of guns by every citizen, critiques democracy, isn't a cultural relativist and would consider some cultures/religions/views/arts "objectively" better than others (though he struggles to explain where this higher objectivity comes from, he just takes it as an axiom the way Peterson does) and so on.
He isn't all left, he is more of a center-left, a practical left instead of an ideological one. His views better suit a politician than a philosopher.

>>37861315
>Jordan is best when he's neutral.

When was he even neutral? It is clear he is a Cold War era man, he has very strong ideological convictions regarding religion, politics, economy, and so on.

>>37861385
I agree, jordan is a motivational speaker. That's all he is.

he's like Tony robbins with a philosophy major. Instead of "you can do it!", he says "piaget says you can do it!".

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>>37861439
I meant Jordan is best when he's in an NPR-environment like his college classroom videos.

As soon as you shine a spotlight in his face, he turns into a raving lunatic.

>>37861499
Yeah, a lot of people giving him mental blowjobs, ruins him. He starts begging for it, like a rock band on tour playing their old&gold hits instead of promoting the new material.

Does Peterson name the Jew?

The problem with guys like him is that they tell you how terrible life is and how much people suffer, then turn around and expect you to add to the suffering by contributing to the systems that create a lot of the suffering and to procreate, adding more people to the chaos and suffering. No one is willing to stand up for the unborn who are forced into the war we are in now, and its partially because these guys are just normies looking at failures from the outside in without truly understanding our pain.

I feel like the best solution is take his advice on dealing with the suffering and struggling against it, trying to be the best that you can be despite all odds, but don't have kids which is only adding to the suffering, instead adopt and help others. Don't get me wrong I'm not arguing for total annihilation of the human race just to stop suffering, people are gonna fuck and reproduce, whatever, but I feel like a truly awakened and fair individual fights for whatever bit of happiness he can on this planet, while not forcing others to do the same.

>>37861763
Yes he talks about the world being filled with suffering, you're mum dying is suffering, you're girlfriend breaking up with you is suffering. There is no system to get rid of that would end suffering completely.

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>>37861763
>instead adopt
found the cuck

you were doing so well too

>>37861900

I know, but that's only if you want to do as much as you can for the human race without having kids of your own. Of course no one wants to pick up the slack of degenerate chads and stacies, but if I ever had the resources to do so I wouldn't mind. But that's just cuck ol me.

>>37861763
Just raise Tyrone's10 IQ alcohol ridden nigger kids, good goy.

>>37861763
>but don't have kids which is only adding to the suffering, instead adopt

JEW JEW JEW

>>37857980
https://pastebin.com/BiFE2fUX
For other robots who wish to sort themselves out like this anon.

>watch his videos expecting to get motivated or some shit
>get disappointed because all he's saying is just b urself, clean your room and follow your ambitions even though I have no ambitions
such a shitty meme

>>37862282
Is this his actual program? Cause this is Joel Osteen tier shit. Garuntee you actual successful people like Trump, Elon or JayZ aren't fucking doing these pussy exercises.

>>37862455
Apparently it is. I picked it up from a thread we had on Peterson a few weeks ago here.

>>37862455
It looks like it. Peterson gave me a free account on Twitter, and I did the first part of it. You write essays saying what the worst future and the best future are, then what you like and what you fear, then you read your essays again and correct them according to your lists, etc.
Basically it asks you to write down what you want and what you fear many times, once per day, and compare whats mood and whats true. Also to scare you into running away from the bad stuff, and inspire you to chase the good.

Since it didn't even motivate me to finish the fucking program, I doubt its quality.

>>37862544
I bought the whole program and started doing the past authoring program; it's helped me identify a lot of my issues from my past, and I feel like I'm moving on.

>>37858775
Define structures .

>>37858878

Yeah I have never heard either one of these things .

>>37858596
>>37858701
do you even know what alt right is ? think ethnonationalism. and if there's no ethnonationalism is jordan peterson. you must be very intellectually lazy to call him alt right. not all 'right' is 'alt right'.

I'm kind of getting sick of this hurt sure muh sjw boogeyman gonna take away my masculinity that he seems to go on about.

>>37857625
He may be flawed, but I like the way he thinks and he's helped my life be that little bit less pathetic and shit this past year, so I gotta be grateful for that.

He's an easily digestible philosopher who is really more like a motivational speaker. Kind of a light Zizek. Not that there's anything wrong with that if it gets people into philosophy and critical thought. I think it is harmful and counteractive to build him up into some sort of meme though.

>>37860286
It did, are you one of those delusional faggots trying to deny genocide because it was committed by your favourite tyrant?


Sort yourself out. And read up on Alexander Solzhenitsyn

He's giving what I think is the best possible life advice that is currently available to young people and I really respect him, but I'm still not gonna listen to that advice.

I grew up as an idealist when it comes to the talks about relationships and women and all of that, I imagine a lot of robots here did too. Now I know that I've been wrong and Peterson doesn't hold back on reality, but reality is now foreign to me and I don't want to live in a foreign land for the rest of my life.

I want to like him, but every time I try watching one of his lectures, it seems like mystical made up bullshit.

>>37858042
>he alludes to some vague utopia to justify all the effort
No he doesn't. You're full of shit. In fact he continually refers to utopian ideals as being flawed and inevitably leading to mass murder.

He wants people to improve themselves, to focus on themselves and the problem in their lives that they can make progress on. His idea is that by making progress on your own flaws, that you improve society as a whole. *Improve*, not create a utopia.

>>37861858
>There is no system to get rid of that would end suffering completely.
Antinatalism would get rid of our suffering by getting rid of us.

>>37865232
this poster is the most woke in the entire thread

everyone should just kill themselves, or at least sterilize themselves to prevent new generations of suffering if they are too cowardly to do it.

>>37865296
One of the things I'd love to see implemented is universal basic income in exchange for sterilization.

I liked him until he went full retard regarding MGTOW, a philosophy he clearly does not understand in the slightest. Still, even a retard can have nuggets of wisdom at the end of the day.

>>37857625
An enemy because he wants to sacrifice men in the meat grinder called marriage that idiot knows the risks in marriage but refuses to stand against women to solve the problem.

People here and the losers of society as a whole have progressed from friend simulators to dad simulators now. A sad state that of affairs. This is what this demagogue is ultimately.

>>37857625

Pros: charismatic, gives people tools for effective self-improvement, passionate about his ideas, tries to push people back to an internal locus of control and is very good at it, champion of critical thinking

Cons: convoluted manner of speaking that detracts from his points and serves as a magnet for "iamverysmart" types, all the quasi-religious mysticism gets annoying, it's like he learned how to orate in a fucking seminary instead of from academia

>>37857625
he's the father figure a lot of guys need

>>37866050
To be fair he did have an updated opinion that's at least more accurate. He apologized for having an assumed understanding of it.

>>37858596
Bingo. He's beloved by /pol/ and reddit. Nothing of value or interest.