Who else /theological crisis/ here? I don't know what to

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>>37804393
Have you heard of the gospel of our lord and saviour, the BBC?

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>>37804393
I don't believe in anything

Not in that boohoo emo nihilistic sense, but more in "haha cool story bro" way.

Politics, religion, philosophy, economics, I don't care lol


If I had to pick one thing to believe in it would be Zen Buddhism but I don't care that much to actually label myself a believe and follower. I just pick and choose from various beliefs and systems if I feel like it.

>>37804393

What's on your mind anon? Explain

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its okay as long as you realize we are all on this earth for a limited time and none of the actions that we do will be remebered in the eventual heat death of the universe or whatever

ive just learned to YOLO and not care anymore

>>37805858
i like thinking about this

What's going on anon,
you stopped believing that billions of people are going to suffer for eternity because they were born in the wrong country (thanks to a kind god)?
you stopped believing that at one point in evolutionary history, somewhere between fish and primates, a soul and free will were suddenly downloaded into the brain of homo sapiens?
you stopped believing that you have a good probability to be born in exactly the right country for the right religion among literally thousands of them?
you stopped believing that thousands of years of people believing in polytheism was just god playing tricks on them?

talk to us anon.

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>>37804903
I just don't know what to believe. It's kind of hard to explain. I feel like spirituality I've got a huge gap in my life, and that I'm totally ready to commit myself to religion, but I just can't push myself to genuinely believe in god, even though I've got a strong inclination that he exists. Plus, how do I know who is right? Are the Protestants right, and the Pope is a farce? Are the Catholics right and the protestants have betrayed the one true church? How do I know Christ isn't the messiah and the Jews have it right? Fuck it, how do I know Muhammad isn't the final prophet?

>>37806478
>Gee if I oversimplify this complex topic it sure sounds stupid

Atheists need to give it a rest.

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>>37806575
>Blizzard of ridiculous propositions
>propositions get questioned and revealed as inconsistent

Religious people: IT'S COMPLICATED (TM)

>>37806575
It's only complex because of the mental gymnastics you have to do to make religion rational. You're wasting energy justifying something that you never really consciously chose to believe, but rather were told to.

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>>37806542

Nobody is right if you're honest. Religion is about bringing the best in people and that's why it's important. I've studied a little bit on this topic and I can tell you that it is impossible to be an atheist, and the people who think they are deluded. Feel free to ask questions.

>>37806575
It's ok anon, atheists actually love and appreciate people, we don't think that you religious people are going to suffer for eternity for not believing the right things (that would be rude, no?), we just love the way you are :)

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>>37804444
no i haven't. please enlighten me oh mighty quads

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>>37806724

>Dude do you actually believe that the world is made up of tiny "particles" that we can't even see

Newsflash, OP. We're just chaotically spawned in a vast infinite expanse with likely no external guiding force.


Consciousness is a biological dead end. Essentially sentience as we know it is pointless endeavor of evolution. We have reached a point in that were tampering with natural selection in both our own genetics and our presence is felt in every single biome on Earth. We have become a plague on nature.


There is no God. We exist for the most minute, ephemeral existence and then we're gone forever. Everything humanity ever does will be for no reason. Eventually even the universe will suffer a death when the final stars collapse and the last sources of heat cool and coalesce once again.


Live life as best you can and spread happiness because were all in hell.

>>37804591
You sound really cool and unique

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>>37806733
But I feel like that's kind of a half-baked answer. I don't want to be one of those people who enjoys the benefit of a religious world without themselves being committed to their religion. It's kind of like putting no effort into something but still reaping the reward.

>>37806816
... we can see the particles with magnification.

I'm was raised a Christian and stopped believing in God as a teenager. I don't really worry about it too much anymore, but on some level there's a hollowness and a hopelessness underlying my life that I wish I didn't have. I think humans are naturally religious and not believing in anything isn't good for your sanity over a long period of time.
Interestingly, connecting with nature seems to put it at ease for a bit, so I try to get out there when I can.

>>37806542
I feel very similar to how you do. I know religion would be beneficial to my life, but I just can't bring myself to actually believe in anything.

I'm increasingly drawn to the psychological analysis that all ideologies/belief systems are just things humans take up in order to simplify the world for them because reality is too complex. I always try to be a rational person, but I can't rationally reconcile being a rational person with following some religion.

>>37806542
"Spirituality" is a human need, but it's only a state of the brain, when activity in the "default mode network" of the brain is temporarily inhibited so you feel one with the universe and feel a sense of ineffability as what you are experiencing cannot be put into words.
The state can be achieved with the right dose of certain psychedelics, and reliably reproduced under the right conditions in a laboratory.
It's just a state of the brain that can be explained with materialism, no need to believe in silly things with no evidence to experience what religious people call "spirituality".

>>37806542
Just one question.
Do you think we can actually find evidence of God's existence? If so, try to find it. When you find God, adhere to the religion that best describes him.
If not, then religions are just ideologies. Read and learn for your life, you don't need to adhere to one.

>>37806993
The problem with stating that everything is a process of the brain is that it inevitably leads to solipsism

>>37807034
That's kind of a bad question. If god exists, then he obviously exists outside of the physical restraints of the universe, so you can't prove his existence in the way that you can prove the existence of Japan.

Restraints of our physical universe mean that we can't prove god exists, but that doesn't mean he doesn't exist. A 2 dimensional being can't prove the existence of a 3 dimensional object, but that doesn't mean the object doesn't exist.

>>37806905
>Interestingly, connecting with nature seems to put it at ease for a bit, so I try to get out there when I can.
I don't know if I'm being religious or spiritual or whatever, but I do this and I'm supposedly an agnostic. Walking in nature makes me feel grateful to whatever it is that allowed life to exist and support me and everybody. It just feels nice.
Maybe I'm actually praying? I don't really care. All I know is that feeling gratitude towards nature is great and helps me relax and think about my life.

>>37807096
Well, that's what I was pointing towards. If we, physical beings, can't detect a nonphysical being, even if he existed we'd be wrong in thinking so because we're just assuming things.
If he wants us to know of his existence, he'll show himself. So he doesn't want that, or he doesn't exist. Either way, it makes no difference until we get God's evidence. That is, unless you think you can act in the spiritual plane and bring evidence from there.
(You can't)
All that matters is the result; a good-natured atheist and a good-natured theist will produce the same results.

>>37804393
Dont commit to a religion. If you think a god of some sort may exist just live your life peacefully. If god is real and truly just hes not gonna send you to eternity in hell for not blindlessly following a religion. And if he would despite being a good person then id say hells the better bet. Believe in him or not just live a good life. Respect the earth and other humans and animals and if you die youll go to heaven or whatever it may be. Or you die and your consciousness goes to the same state from before you were born and that way you didnt have to waste time dealing with organized religion. But i mean more than likely the universe has secrets bigger than god that we will ever know. And doesnt it make life more special without him? Everything that had to happen to support life and you even just existing. Better than some guy who created everything with his immemse power and still decided to have aids and rapists and thought it was cool to flood the world and kill everything in it cuz a couple assholes were being assholes despite his omnipotence knowimg they were gonna be assholes before he created them

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whats the point it sure it would be nice to know where are we from if there's a god and such but then what? does it matter would change something? we are just dust in the space.

>>37807163
>If god is real and truly just hes not gonna send you to eternity in hell for not blindlessly following a religion
This part is very important imo, if someone sends you to hell for not being Catholic their pettiness would prove they're not the real God

>>37807200
i-it feels nice! I-I need someone to tell me I'm doing well!

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>>37807162
>a good-natured atheist and a good-natured theist will produce the same results.

I'd argue that's not true. Since Atheists don't believe in an infallible moral framework, they can't have a unanimous moral standard of what is "good-natured", and when people think they can build their own moral framework, they do awful things. Hence why people can convince themselves that mass infanticide of millions of unborn children every year is 'good-natured'

Most of the moral atheists in modern society are so because they confine themselves to the christian standards that our society is based around. From a purely evolutionary stand-point, there is no reason for humans to do "good" things unless they get something out of it.

>>37807163
>>37807204

Why do you think that you understand the actions of a being that is to you what you are to an ant? You say that just by being a good person he must let you in to heaven, but you don't know that, he may have intentions that are completely beyond our level of understanding, and to assume that he submits to your moral framework is arrogant.

>>37807266
You might be misunderstanding something. I totally support religion for the masses, because of what you said about Christian-born atheists.
My point is that if you can't sincerely believe in a God, there is no point in trying to delude yourself, and as long as you support the system you were born in and do what is expected of you, there is no difference.
It worked for the godless philosophers in Greece, it should work now.

>>37807314
By this rational, you can't even hope to ever know if He exists or not, and to assume so is arrogant. All religions are arrogant, then, and religion-based morals are hypocritical as well. Acting a certain way because of a God that you arrogantly believe exists is wrong as well.
If you believe in this God, you have to accept that He won't give you morals and you have to build them on your own.

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>>37807324
>if you can't sincerely believe in a God, there is no point in trying to delude yourself
Why not? I used to sincerely believe that god and all religion was stupid, but now I'm incredibly sympathetic to religion. People change their serious convictions all the time. And people convert all the time.

>and as long as you support the system you were born in
I wasn't raised religiously and the society I live in is godless and I hate it for that.

>>37807362
>If you believe in this God, you have to accept that He won't give you morals and you have to build them on your own.

But the point of Christianity is that god has communicated with us on how he wants us to act.

>>37807421
I was arguing from that anon's position
>>37807396
You can be sympathetic to the best parts of a religion
remember Scientology? It was basically destroyed by 4chan (among other things) but it used to be huge, despite how silly it was, simply because they were a support group. People liked it because it worked. As for delusions, well, you can't unsee.

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>>37806873

You see, my point is you can't not be religious. Everything about modern life is based on Christian tradition. Funnily enough, even the left and their hatred for religion and tradition is based on Christian ideals.

For instance, the idea of equality is a Christian idea. It comes from the Bible, the idea being we are all equal under God, and he loves us equally.

The idea of having a career, a 'calling' is a Christian idea. The relentless pursuit of truth, now taken up by science, is a Christian idea. God used to be considered truth. Now science is obsessed with investigating the 'truth', figuring the our origin story and exploring space now that we believe God is not there (so what is hurr durr?).

All branches of science seek to answer questions that religion tried to answer before.

What year is it? 2017. What does that mean? What does that number refer to? The age of the Earth? No. How long humans have existed? No. It refers to the years since Christ's death.

Every single thing is religious. All morality is based on religion. Our laws are based on the 10 commandments.

>>37807539
>even the left and their hatred for religion and tradition is based on Christian ideals

How so?

>>37807539
Living in a religious society doesn't mean you're religious though. That's what OP was talking about, reaping benefits without committing to it.
I can totally go to the AA and drink free coffee without having been an alcoholic.

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tfw pineal gland is too calcified with junk to figure out the true spiritual connection to this world

The other day I found a living person who I saw as the most beautiful thing in the universe. I could have worshipped them as a god. They didn't mind or care much.
Later I got mad at them over some trifling thing. I don't feel much about them anymore, but it was a nice feeling while it lasted.
I'm not sure if that will happen again, or if I even want it to happen.

The point is, don't worry about it, OP. You'll know what to believe when you find it. And if you don't find it, meh, you'll have dodged a bullet or two.

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>>37807560

Like I said, they're goals are religious. Equality is a stupid idea and is impossible. We are all obviously not equal. Farmers are more important wagies. The President is more important than you.

So equality, non-racism, non-sexism, non-classism, socialism etc. are all based on this idea invented in the Bible.

Similarly, the obsession with science--science has just replaced religion. Atheism itself is now a religion. Science as it's own saints that it worships (famous scientists, Nobel prize people, for example). Science pretends to have a stranglehold on the truth like Christianity did. Science always claims gloom and doom with climate change now just like Christianity did with the apocalypse. And of course, science fundamentally requires a leap of faith. You have to believe that the scientific method leads to the definitive truth....DESPITE SCIENCE CONSTANTLY AND ADMITTEDLY GETTING THINGS WRONG.

>>37807583

I understand your point. You may not be officially religious in that you don't follow the rituals, but you still live it out in your daily life. (I bet you celebrate Christmas anyways).

How a modern civilization should function is based on Christian ideas. The idea you should go to work everyday and have a career, be kind to your neighbors, not cheat on your wife, (and your wife not cheat on you), educate your kids (like Jesus did when the children gathered around him) and instill in them morals. It's all religious man.

You know why Michael Jordan is so famous? Because when he abruptly retired, and then came back, it was like Jesus coming back from the dead. He was a hero that triggered a religious experience for people.

Same deal with Tupac always 'coming back from the dead'. Now Miley Cyrus 'coming back' after cleaning up her act. It's all Christianity.

Continuing.

>>37807583

Part two.

Celebrity worship (celebs are the modern Gods, so great in their perfection we all look up to them). Trump is now a God, a guardian of this country; hence, the hierarchy of power and the fame. Every president in every country takes on the role of God. Promising a bright future and yielding so much power. We imitate religion in everything we do as a society. And so by living in it you are surrounded by it and you probably partake in it unknowingly.

ONE OF US. ONE OF US
:- D

>>37806542

There are pretty good arguments for the existence of God. Fine-tuning of the universe, mostly. Check it out.

As for which religion is right, well out of the Abrahamic religions, Christianity's Gospel(isolated from other scripture) is the only one without any serious contradictions.

>>37804393
If every religious text were burned and destroyed and all traces erased, they could never be recovered. If we destroyed all scientific knowledge, on the other hand, we would rediscover it eventually.

Choose atheism Anon.

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there is no god get real mofo. the only god there could possibly be is kek. kek please bless me with trips.