Who here /programmer/? I'm learning PHP for work right

>>37472020
We #r9kprog on rizon, anon

>>37472020
PHP is shit

>>37472230
>PHP is shit

Yes, why isn't OP learning Cobol? That's the only language with a real future.

>>37472572
PHP is outdated. There are plenty of modern frameworks that are much safer and faster. I'd say Go is a better language to learn. It's developed by Google and it's much faster than any Python or JS framework or so I'm told. I'm not into web development anyway.

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I'm also Java/C/C++ kind of person but I'm currently having an internship in a web dev company bec it pays (now doing Node) ;_; idk if I made a wrong decision

>>37472649
> PHP is outdated
That must be why there's fifteen gorillion jobs recruiting for people that know it.

>>37472649

Go will abandoned by Google in a couple of years like they abandon everything else.

"Web development" isn't real programming anyhow. Python and JavaShit aren't even true languages, that's like the jackass in accounting who thinks he's a programmer because he uses Excel.

tfw no web dev friend to help me along the way

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>>37472771
:( But those are mostly the jobs in my country

>>37472839
I'm not fully w-web dev yet but we c-could help each other

>>37472771
Go might get abandoned by Google but that doesn't make PHP any better.

Depends on what you consider to be a real programmer. In my opinion, only web designers aren't "real" programmers.

>>37472716
Well, I don't know. All employers I've ever talked to said they are migrating from PHP.

>tfw no friend to go through SICP with

>>37472916
that would be nice
post discord
I'm interested in other languages too as long as we are learning

>>37472839
>>37472916
Beginner ReactJS / Javascript guy here. Wanna get into it for a personal project. Would help you guys too if you need help with beginner stuff.
I know Java and C# too.

>>37472944
/g/ says it's good. Never read it. Might try it someday.

>>37472939
Meh, I guess that's a good sign if so. Just used to organisations sticking with PHP long past the point where it becomes obvious they should have switched.

>>37473024
post discord
all of you

>>37472946

coco # 0029

>>37473024
I'm also up in learning languages and doing projects ^-^ I h-have my discord above :o

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C/Python/Java/Javascript/PHP/XHTML/CSS
Almost done learning C++ just have to make a gui program test

I recently wrote an Instagram scraping script

I honestly have no idea why I'm bothering with this, after I'm done with C++ I'll likely waste time on something else and forget all about it

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>>37473093
>Discord
Non-free software
This is a /g/ thread now

being a programmer NEET is probably the highest form of human existence

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>>37473131
>CSS/html a language

Html/css/php/JS/python

I want to be a "real" programmer that gets paid to program some day, but i haven't got the grades to get into computer science.

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>>37473192
You really can become a genius if you're a programming/neet.
But this would only work with the intp/istp personality

>>37473225
Create and develop some project at GitHub so that your employers know you're capable.

>entering CS senior year
>no internship
>mediocre GPA
>no on-campus involvement
>no research
>no side projects
>have only coded in three classes my last two years
>only have a medium proficiency in C, just a passing familiarity with anything else

Who else here /fucked/? I need a wake-up call with my life. It's not even that I don't like coding it's just that I have total inertia and I don't fucking do anything besides browse the internet and watch Netflix.

>>37473380
Same. I'm thinking of creating a learning tool for physics. My professor told me if I create some programms for him he will give me A.

>>37472649
php is a venerable foss language and over the years so many useful modules have been developed that keep it "up there" in relation to other languages.

>>37472716
i'll beg to differ, all web dev jobs seem to use something like java, c#, or node.

>>37473380
Learn Haskell and Python
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Programming_resources
And please for fuck sake don't call it coding.

>>37473479
How do you talk to your professors? Seems like a dumb question but I never have unless I had a specific grading concern. I just show up at lecture and hand in assignments.

>>37472771
>Python and JavaShit aren't even true languages
>true languages
nice fallacy

what is a ~ true language ~ then, edgelord?

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>>37473568
Same i never leave my safe space

>>37473131
>C/Python/Java/Javascript/PHP/XHTML/CSS
I can already tell you haven't gone past Hello World tier shit in any of those

you're an idiot

>>37473594
Obviously Brainfuck. It's the thinking man's language

>not writing your own programming language and compiler in 2020-3
Oh lord. Nobody will hire you like this.

>>37472771
>real programming
>true languages
fuck this is actually hilarious
did this really not sound utterly retarded to you as you typed it up?

>>37473568
I'm that guy who argues with everyone. But yeah, I was inquiring if I could in any way get a better grade and he asked me to help him out. I'm sure there are some programming contests around, aswell. You could take part in those.

>>37472716
because its a popular language. developers are in demand and using popular languages increases the candidate pool.

programming is just a small part of software development

step up folks

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>>37473618
Fucking CIA nigger not writing his own compiler

>>37473131
Are you doing Instagram scraping with an account?

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>>37473692
I'm still in shock that he deleted his account. He made my existence more tolerable.

>>37472771

>Python is not a real language.

Python is one of the most expressive, powerful scripting language out there. Just because it's easier to learn than C++/Haskell/whatever you think is a 'true' language doesn't make it less real, or less useful.
If you truly believe this, you know jack shit about programming.

.t actual software engineer

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>>37473711
No just public accounts
>>37473612
I wrote a server from scratch in C, the rest I got the syntax basics down. Languages are just tools you use to implement algorithms. As long as you have the concepts down all you need to know is the syntax

>>37473831
How advanced is the scraper? Does it download all of the images into a folder for you?

Why the fuck would someone with Java and C skills would downgrade to garbage like PHP?

>>37473831
>I wrote a server from scratch in C
was this supposed to impress me?
try building a concurrent real-time system for an actual business use case with thousands of users, not some arbitrary programming challenge

>Languages are just tools you use to implement algorithms. As long as you have the concepts down all you need to know is the syntax
nice programming textbook quote

>>37474045
What's your deal? Salty IT guy who's not smart or ambitious enough to become a dev?

>>37474045
Not him but for what purpose could he possibly use that system? Unless you can find a use for a program what's the point of it? Not everyone here is a genius like you.

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>>37474045
>real-time system
>real-time
What did he mean by this?

>an actual business use case
Now he's just throwing buzzwords out there to make himself seem smart.

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>>37473895
All pictures and videos, it was a pain in the ass because Instagram deliberately makes it hard to download media off their site

>>37474045
>try building a concurrent real-time system for an actual business use case with thousands of users, not some arbitrary programming challenge

So just some scalable code with multi-threading? Doesn't seem that impressive either

>>37474142
Obviously he's talking about embedded development, for something used by thousands of people at the same time. So like, a cruiseliner? Yeah, that's probably what he meant.

>>37474075
>>37474089
>>37474142
>t. never worked in the industry
don't think I need to say more
hobbyist "programmers" just make me really mad - you people are arrogant as shit and think you're the masters of programming when you haven't seen more than 1000 lines of code and haven't solved more than the most basic challenges/problems

just take a look at this thread, or the entirety of /g/ for that matter
dunning-kruger effect in full force

ps. small-time website development and other freelance shit isn't what I mean by working in the industry

>>37474212
I'm sorry but you got BTFO by >>37474142 to trying to troll further won't work, no one's buying it.

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>>37474212
I'm a junior dev at a local telecommunication company. I've seen programs that have more that 1000 lines of code.

>>37474305
excluding spaces and comments?

>>37474212
Go back to work now. Work until Pajeet takes your IT helpdesk job.

>>37472020

Android developer here, taking my first steps in Kotlin these days.

>>37474347
>Kotlin
>we took Java and turned it into JavaScript, how cool is that?
WHY

>>37474324
Excluding spaces and comments. I'm given code that was written by some pajeets and I have to figure out what it does and then rewrite it in Java-like language(the language uses modified JVM but syntax is more or less the same). The code bareley have any comments at all.

>>37474382

well it sure seems to be way less verbose than java, thats always a plus.

>>37474394
>The code bareley have any comments at all.
well-written code documents itself

>>37474394
best of luck of mate, I'd stay out of those custom garbage jobs

>>37474347
Hmmm, sounds interesting. Are you working for someone or just learning for fun?

>>37472020
>interview a guy
>he comes in wearing a hat
>he talks about how he's such a php genius
>ask him about web services
>he has no clue what they are
>interview over
>go to shake hand
>he takes off running instead

>>37474382
Kotlin is a legit language and a reasonable replacement for Java (unlike Scala)

>>37474469
SOAP?
why would anyone know what it is in 2017

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>>37474426
If it was well-written and optimized code I'd probably wouldn't have to rewrite it. But yeah, I agree, lad.

>>37474437
It's not that bad. I'm getting a decent salary for where I live in and I can't spend it all in a month even if I wanted to.

>>37474472
Java doesn't need any replacements, version 8 has made it into a top-tier language, and 9 is looking great

and if you really insist, then Groovy is the only real option

>>37474500
REST is a web service.
Why would anyone use PHP in 2017?

>>37474445

On my third year of android development, my company works mostly on apps for this large british telecom giant.

>>37474500
>t. RESTbabby
there is absolutely nothing wrong with SOAP and it's better than its alternatives in a lot of scenarios
most of its criticisms stem from misuse of it by incompetent developers

C# is the best. It runs on desktop and mobile and is completely gay-proof. Gays are not allowed to write in C#.

Hey robots I have a challenge for you: in your favorite language, count from 1 to 100. If the number is divisible evenly by 3, print "Beta" and if it's divisible evenly by 5, print "Cuck". If it's divisible by both, print "BetaCuck". Otherwise, print the number.

>>37474542
SOAP is S H I T
I'm going to send you an XML document. What am I going to send it in? A fucking XML document! BRILLIANT

>>37474524
well usually when someone says web service it's just brings memories of soap, when referring to REST it's REST API

>>37474525
Sounds fun. I'm also working for a telecom company but it's in eastern bloc so salaries are not as high. And I'm a tester. Been thinking about joining development team for a while.

>>37474589
>/r9k/ avoids soap

How do I start learning about coding and programming brobots?

>>37474647
I got started by programming games on my calculator in class instead of paying attention

>>37472020
>Photo
>Programming
Ahahahaha you fucking retard hurr durr muh web scripting loool web scripting is for literal retards oh please tell me how good you are at html and CSS "code" generators you fucking moron

>>37474506
version 8 is great and 9 is going to be delayed because of the modules controversy but kotlin is a better language which is completely interoperable

groovy is decent and I like using it with gradle, but kotlin is better

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>>37474045
If you're so successful and intelligent what are you doing in /r9k/

>>37474647
If you are completely new learn Python. It's a skid language but it's a good start. Look up "Automate the Boring Stuff With Python".

>>37474694
>Php
Not photo

>>37474647
you have the helsinki java mooc, you have coursera, udacity, just pick something and go with it

>coworker gives you code in java
>spend the next week untangling the mess and porting the part that you need to C#
Why are you java guys so inelegant?

>>37472020
I use SQL everyday, the size of our data warehouse means it gets pretty fucking complex.

I also do Qlikview scripting.

>>37474747
I work on a software that was originally written in C# and was ported to Java, six years later, there's still C# garbage in the code

>>37474582
lmao you're a shining example of the same type of incompetent developer I was talking about

WSDLs can be used to incredibly strictly define and document the inputs and outputs of a web service to the point where a software dev wouldn't even need to ask you anything in order to consume it
it's standardized to the point where you'll always know what response you will receive and what a possible error will look like

it can be used to transmit data in any shape and over any protocol, whereas REST is eternally dependent on HTTP

you can generate test cases, documentation and even a user interface/form just from a single WSDL

REST is overblown and awful

>>37474826
Typical, java guys Frankensteining their code because java can't do the job.
Why not just switch it all back?

>>37474702
>9 is going to be delayed because of the modules controversy
wait what?
pretty sure end of July is still the target

>>37474580
if this was /g/ i wouldn't be posting dis :DDDDD

for i in range(1,101):
if(i%3==0):
print("Beta")
elif(i%5==0):
print("Cuck")
elif(i%3==0 and i%5==0):
print("BetaCuck")
else:
print(i)

>>37474717
Don't bother with Python learn C# it is an actual high level language and that sinole to learn that you legit don't even need to delete variables as the garbage collector will do it for you. It should take you maybe two weeks to learn it if you are clinically retarded. Then just move in to an industry standard language.

Don't be a fucking python beta

>>37474857
it runs on linux (used to run on windows back in the day)

I'm doing an internship in webdev.
It's great but holy shit I hate wordpress now.

>>37474883
.NET core is a thing, along with Mono

>>37474840
REST is obsolete
graphql is what's hip now

i tried learning programming, but after watching the tutorials i only know how to make a console calculator

>>37474580
Can I use lolcode?

>>37474937
I don't know, can you? >:3

>>37474916
>graphql is what's hip now
fuck now that's horrifying

>tfw too dumb to program

I dont know how you guys do it

>>37473380
think of something fun to make then do it. like a videogame or something.

>>37474992
smoke weed and fap
this allows you to do anything

>>37474877
>If statements in the wrong order
>Wrong indentation

Sorry, anon. Good try though.

>>37474912
yeah, it relatively new and it's quite and rewriting the entire codebase for literally zero value when we have customers paying us millions of dollars is completely stupid

>>37474992
Get a job or do a course, that's what I did I'm pretty good now. Anyone can do it..

I would never have been able to teach myself

>>37475049
How can i get a job if i know nothing

>>37474024
Because it's all about best tool for the job.

>>37475039
>rewriting the entire codebase for literally zero value
This is why you should write in in C# in the first place. It will run from Apache in mod_mono, on iOS and Android through Xamarin, in scalable server environments through ASP.NET, and even the fucking console because why not. It's so portable, you'll wonder why you wasted your time in any other language.

Unless it uses propositional logic, like PROLOG.

>>37475023
b-but there is not code tags in /r9k/ and it cucked my indentation

>>37475076
Learn HTML and become an intern

>>37475076
Do a course so. You also won't get a job if you know something, but have nothing to prove that you do desu

>>37475121
>it's so portable that it needs a completely different execution environment for every platform
wow amazing

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>>37475136
I'll buy that excuse, anon. But the if statements in the wrong order cannot be ignored

reminder that webdev is not real programming ^o^

>>37475175
You are literally retarded if you think that's not how the JVM works.

>>37475121
Java is way better any way better, not in language features, but in the ecosystem and tooling, and if we need the features we have kotlin and groovy,

I see no reason for someone to use C# unless he writes a windows desktop application and even then he should use electron

how do i learn programming and get a cool tech job that pays a lot of money

im already located like 45 minutes from silicon valley

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>>37475181
what's the correct order, lad? why? :/

>>37475221
C# is the only language where you can write a UI-based application once and run it anywhere, desktop or mobile, and do it so that it looks good and is written quickly.

I use C even for web development.
>>37472771
There is nothing wrong with javascript. it's one of the best languages IMO

>>37475231
move somewhere with less candidates since you have very little chance of landing a job there

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Anyone want to hire me for webdev tasks?

I'm basically living as a NEET right now, while I'm working on a personal project. But I'm running low on money.

I used to code, but I just lost total motivation to do so.

>>37475259
we use GWT

>>37475284
(unoriginally) fug :DDDDDDDDD

>>37475311
Think of the cool projects you can do! I could also collaborate with you if you want

>>37475322
>HTML-based UI
Disgusting. Leave and never return.

>>37475259
ReactJS says hello

>>37475231

Silicon Valley culture is cancer for robots

its a constant fight to prove you're the top dog in whatever you do.

Pick a less known place, get almost the same benefits, less money obviously, but you wont have to slave your life away.

>>37475384
Dear /g/:
Isn't there a UI framework that doesn't look like it was pulled out of an Indian shit street?

>>37475404
>Pick a less known place
Where?
t. Europoor who wants to get a job in US

>>37475405
>changing goalposts
>using leddit-tier memes
I don't know what your post was supposed to prove

>>37475502
HTML-based UI is crap and I won't use it.
javatoddlers, I swear

>>37475449

I really dont understand the boner people have for the US.
Why would you leave Europe ?

You get pretty well paid being a developer, you actually have vacations and time to chill without working 24/7, you still can work on cool stuff if you look hard enough. You can move around if you dont like the country your in.

Its fucking paradise in here.

>>37475529
ReactJS has nothing to do with Java
HTML is not the defining factor and does not reflect how any particular UI will look or act

it's becoming more and more apparent that you're a retard who has no clue what he's on about

>>37475591
Whatever. If you have never felt the need to write your own framework, you're just a pajeet to me.

>>37475589
>paradise
>lose 52% of my income to taxes
>pay 21% VAT

how do i get a job with no experience? i work on games and engines all the time in my spare time.

>>37475658
depends on where you live.
>21% taxes
>10% VAT if no kids

>>37475629
>if you have never felt the need to reinvent the wheel for the 100th time you're just a leddit meme for me
boy am I sad now

>>37475743
Post your projects on GitHub or such and show them off to employers. They need someone who can get shit done.

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>>37472020
Yo programmer anons. I'm interested in getting an entry level Business Analyst/Systems Analyst/Solutions Architect job (Same job, different names). Any of you know what skills you should learn to get into these? It's not programming, but they do work with programmers so I figured some of you would know. Also it's Business Analyst not Business Analytics. Business Analytics is a very different job.

Hey /r9k/, let's design a programming language.
It should have these things:
-Full OSI model APIs
-2D and 3D graphics
-Cross-platform interface bindings
-Propositional logic
-Sensor, camera, and mic APIs

I can't think of a single language that does it all in a neat package in 2017.
What else could be easier about programming, any suggestions?

>>37475246
You need to do (i%3 && i%5) before the other two or else it won't check for it at all.

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>>37475858
ah, i guess i should get some sleep .. or some more coffee?

>>37475789
but i don't know any back end stuff like reactJS/angularJS/Node or whatever it seems they want people to know. i've mostly done game projects in Java, C#, C, C++ and Javascript. i feel like i can learn anything if i'm given enough time though.

This is 2017, by the way. You can just dictate your facts, rules, and relationships to a voice-recognition engine running in PROLOG to program shit stuff.
If you're spending all of your time coding stuff by hand, you're a cuck.

>>37475658

Anon, without wanting to sound like a leftist fagget, there really is more to life than the money you make.

Look, i was born in a pretty poor country by western european standards, i too hated the country for it, as soon as i could i got a dev job in London and i hated it even though i made good money, i hated the fast paced life of it, how fake everyone was. I went back home one year later and fuck am i happy now. i make way less money but fuck it, people here work to live, not live to work. And its fucking great.

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>>37475914
Most major companies provide boot camps for rookies. They teach you basics and then you start out as a junior developer or whatever. You can climb up the career ladder from there. If you know say Java I think it should be rather easy for you if you just looked. Either way, good luck, anon.

>>37475975
I still have to be stuck in Europe, with the shitty culture and language, with no future for a family or social life.
Give me a decent sized town in the US anyday over London or Berlin or whatever shithole is here. God I hate Europe

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>>37475975
>tfw you finish your personal project

>>37476035
Have you seen how they write their code, lad? It's literal shit. Uncommented and unstructured.

>>37475777
>he thinks that pajeets aren't an irl meme in programming
nice trips though

>>37476067

> with no future for a family or social life.
>no social life

Cmon you'll realize that that's entirely on you, not where you live. I too thought like that, until i tried living somewhere else, and i was exactly the same social fuck up here or in the UK or everywhere i went.

But hey, im not trying to convince you. My advice is do it, try living there. Even though i disliked my experience i also loved it, because i went back home, to my little corner of southwestern Europe, and i no longer felt like i should leave it ever again.

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>>37472020
Currently learning C++ its my first language and I'm struggling because I'm fucking retarded.

>>37475984
man if that's really the case then that'd be amazing. all i want is an entry level job so i can move out and have some sort of baseline in my life.

>>37476496
don't learn c++ as your first language. if you like the idea of doing low level stuff, learn c. if you like the idea of object-oriented programming, pick any other object-oriented language.

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Lua masterrace reporting in.

Anyone that isn't learning Julia is a faggot.

>>37472020
I have learnt python c/c++ an am learning assembly and haskell in preparation for uni, see you Bros I am ascending into God hood

>>37476678
This. Start with Javascript or C# or something.

>>37476496
c++ is shit.

learn c if you really want low-level.

but, i'd suggest some other languages such as perl, haskell, ruby, python...

>>37474716
he says, currently being an underage reject with no life experience

>>37476892
Unis have courses on/teach Haskell? AFAIK the majority of unis run with either Java or Python.

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>>37472020
how exactly does hacking and programming work? is there some sticky or video that i can watch to really understand? even though ive been on 4chan for years i feel like everyone here is way more computer literate than i am.

>>37476496
learn it with me bud, we can be learning pals

don't listen to those guys, one suggested fucking haskell lol

>>37478763
90% of 4chan is very computer illiterate, including /g/. Don't learn "hacking" like a fucking script kiddie, learn some actual programming and security. Read some books and documentation on any programming language, the popular ones fundamentally work similar so once you learn one very well the rest will be easy.

>>37475337
I mean, I am too depressed to code anymore...

I can't, I don't do anything anymore really.

>>37479290
programming books are a waste of time, especially for beginners. it's better to look up tutorials online and then start making simple projects once you're good enough.

>>37479444

I agree but tutorials online are too varying in quality. A lot of shitty, outdated, and misleading tutorials for C++ for example.

>>37479444
>programming books are a waste of time
Currently the worst advice given so far

If you just want to learn how to do something then go with tuts
If you want to understand what is what and why, get yourself a good beginners book

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>>37477107
Don't listen to this guy, c++ is fine. He just a faggot.

I'm not a real dev. I haven't done anything outside of a few uni courses and related projects on Java and C#, basics of C. I just don't know where I'd go from here.

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Anyone want to learn C++ with me?

Using pic related to learn, written specifically for people who haven't programmed before but are willing to make a serious attempt. And it was written by Stroustrup himself, so you can't get any more authoritative than that.

There's a pdf of the book so you don't even have to buy it I just need a friend to learn with pls ;_____;

>>37475894
No, you're just dumb and wrong.

>>37475658
You don't do much better in Commiefornia.

Scala is the ultimate language in terms of portability and features. Haters are brainlets that can't handle their monads.

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>not learning x86