Robots what do you think of this plan. I've been wageslaving

>>37382312
Depending on where you live, land can be expensive and the land tax also can be expensive.

Otherwise I don't see why not.

>>37382312
>going through all that effort and not becoming a neet
seriously, if you're going to do this you need to go all the way

>>37382312
Make sure you live somewhere with a lower standard of living, and make sure you know how to cook most, if not all, of your food from scratch - otherwise you're gonna blow your entire budget on restaurants and take-out.

>>37382357
I don't see how I could be a NEET , I would still need money to survive.

>>37382312
I'm doing the same, except I won't begin until I have 1 million. I'm going to start a farm.

>>37382312
as long as you have a good internet connection you'll be ok

>>37382483
My monthly food cost is already $300, I can bring it to $200 easy.

>>37382488
By going the Money Mustache/etc way and living off passive income. If you're not a normie, you can live way under 1k a month, without even sacrificing much.

>>37382312
>>Live off less than 2k a month, maybe even 1k

Being poor can be stressful. Your new job won't have health benefits, how much is your health insurance? $300? $400?

water: $50
electricity: $50
repairs upkeep: $100
internet: $50
food: $300
clothes: $25
keeping a car running to get to work: $100
car ins: $100
saving for retirement: ???

gonna be tight

>>37382579
>If you're not a normie, you can live way under 1k a month, without even sacrificing much.
>way under

not if you want to have a car and health insurance and food

tiny houses are a shitty meme. you'd be better off buying a trailer in some shithole small town for 60k or so. also i'd recommend staying until you have at least 70k

also how will you be getting water? where i live there's a well but it dried out. cost to get water nearby: $600 trailer, $400 water jugs, and you need a truck to haul it

also depending on how far away your new job is you could be spending $200 mo on gas

>>37382645
>car
You don't need a car unless you're a normie. For hauling big things that happen once or twice a year, rent or uber of some shit.
>health insurance
True, that's shit for muricans. Move to a country with free healthcare.
>food
My monthly food budget is 100 eurodoos and I live in the fucking scandis.

>>37382624
I feel sorry for murifags now. Here is supposed to be expensive, yet they'd be more like this
water: $5
electricity: $5
repairs upkeep: $100
internet: $10
food: $100

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>>37382717
>You don't need a car
>america
fuck off

what is your rent? where do you live? no wonder so many brown people are invading the EU.

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This is my dream exactly. I'm fortunate enough to have family that owns a little land and will let me set up shop in the corner. I would have to put in my own septic and graywater system but that shouldn't be more than $8k. I'm more into small houses than tiny, but there aren't any real definitions that I can find so I'm not trying to split hairs here. 600ft^2-ish with a big loft sound comfy for a single man that only entertains one or two guests at a time. My house plans are roughest draft stage but budget will be around $20k to fully build/furnish it. I have some experience building/handyman and will trick whoever I can into helping out for free beer and pizza. You'll want to double the budget if you're paying for the work. Septic and pouring foundation are the only parts I'm contracting out.

With 500k invested I should be set to draw ~$4.5k/quarter which is more than enough to fund my lifestyle. I've talked to people at my job and they're willing to move me to a weekender position if I want which will net me about 2.5k/mo. I might as well keep working and let the investments grow, call myself half -neet.

I'm in SE US. Where are you considering this, OP? I'm too redneck to live anywhere else but if you can tolerate the yeehaws and git-r-dones I'd suggest moving out here. Land and cost of living is pretty low if you want to stay about 30 minutes from the nearest 500k+ city. In the rural areas county barely knows what it's doing so it shouldn't be too hard to get a variance. That's nice if you don't want to have the sooped' up trailer vibe to your tiny home. For the most part they'll be happy as long as you aren't brewing up meth and weeds in your homestead.

>>37382312
you need income to pay property tax, it's illegal to just live and be left alone.

>>37382717
Are you OP?

how much does land cost in your socialist utopia ?

>electricity $5

yeah ok

>>37382862
Nice government we have here

>>37382624
You have no idea what you are talking about.

>water:$2, rural fags have wells and a small pump
>electricity:$100, Need that AC
>repairs/upkeep: cost of parts, DIY is for men
>internet: $50, you're about right here
>food: varies widely
>car running: $30, DIY is for men, gas is biggest expense
>car ins: $30, who needs total coverage?
>savings for retirement: already done since op is talking about retiring

Gonna be fucking awesome. Poor is when you don't have enough money. What OP describes is having exactly enough money. Living well, neither wealthy nor poor.

>>37382862
In america it's like $2k at most unless you have a fucking mansion on a ranch. Once you qualify for exemption status you don't even think about it anymore. It's hardly worth mentioning as a hurdle. Consider it $100/mo ransom.

Yep, this guy does it and is living the dream.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4DyPLVr8OsvTtShvPEEk4w/videos

>>37382987
>>water:$2, rural fags have wells and a small pump

You have no idea what you are talking about, the average price for drilling a well is several thousand dollars, you could look at your water bill as that cost spread out over time

>>37382987
>>car ins: $30, who needs total coverage?

Definitely not poor people with no money to replace their car who are dependent on their $1000 per month income job for everything

nope not those people

>>37382987
>>savings for retirement: already done since op is talking about retiring
no he's talking about spending the 50k he saved up on land and a house

he will still have to work, if you read the OP he talks about getting another job

>>37383099
yeah it kind of depends if you manage to get a land with or without a well. if it's without it's going to be either a huge hurdle or an inconvenience hauling water after a small startup cost

people in this thread are totally delusional about the cost of living. i shouldn't be surprised since it's not like they've ever moved out

>>37383042
that's 1/10 of what he wants to live on. IMO the move is to buy the land then invest the rest in guns and ammo to defend yourself with when the government thugs come around.

>>37383148
I like how he left out health insurance and thought OP could retire forever because he has $50k

>>37382312
We've seen this thread a few times OP. I laud the idea and attempt but you need to understand it is not as easy or cheep as you think. Building even a tiny house will cost you more then expected

>>37383180
yeah myself i pay the $700 penalty, i think it's going up next year though. having to pay for societies dregs is yet another curse on rural america

>>37382987
>Gonna be fucking awesome. Poor is when you don't have enough money. What OP describes is having exactly enough money. Living well, neither wealthy nor poor.

Living on $12,000/yr is the definition of poverty

>thinking you can keep a car gassed and running for $30 per month

You have never lived on your own have you?

>>37382312
Depends on where you want to live. Northern AZ and Southern Utah appeal to me a lot personally. You can get 10+ acres of land that have electrical hookups, soil rated for septic and wells for around 10-20k depending on the size. Property tax of undeveloped land is usually $100 or so a month too out there. The hard part is the maintainence and upkeep. You will literally have to work your land daily from sunrise to sunset to make sure you're set on supplies for the harder seasons. Whether it's gardening, harvesting wood, rebuilding fences you can't just buy the land and a house with the expectation to do nothing and watch anime all day. The surprise cost of certain mishaps may send your budget off so I'd suggest having some sort of income to offset this. All in all I would personally do it, my dad is all about tiny house life and he seems happy but he warns it is hard work

>>37383510
You are society's dreg you idiot

when you get cancer or break your leg you won't be able to pay that money back to the hospital and we all will have to make up for it

get health insurance you mooch

>>37383534
I'm sorry $100 a year not a month for property tax

OP here, ya most of the people in this thread are retarded, but some good points.

I don't plan on retiring now, not sure how anyone got that idea, I just want a less stressful job. Right now I make quite a bit of money but have no time and have to live in an expensive area for work.

I would still get health insurance from a new job, and I would make more than what I plan on living on. Right now my rent is literally $1200 and my monthly expenses were $2000, that's how cheap I live.

I also don't plan on living in the middle of nowhere, where I live cheap small lots are available and aren't desolate.

The main reason I want to do this is because my job is killing me and all I've ever wanted was to be able to own very little. The freedom from 'things' and a mortgage and a big house is my ultimate goal.

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>>37383552
you're kidding right? do you know how bad this shit is for anyone trying to survive? they wont take care of shit with these skyhigh deductibles

>>37383617
To clarify, that's 2000 total, 800+rent. I'm a cheap bastard

>>37383617
>I would still get health insurance from a new job
You sure about that?

Not many $12,000 per year jobs have good ins plans

>>37383534
>Northern AZ
we've been gentrified to hell. everyone from SOCAL is moving here in some sort of mass exodus after selling their million dollar homes. good luck living in a town that's not 45mins-1hr away from any viable work

also the internet will be shit

>>37383099
That was silly of me to forget not all homesteads already have a well, I'll give you that much. Water is shallow where I live so let's go with the lower estimate of $5k for a well. $2/mo to run the pump and maintenance plus $6.94 for the installation. This is assuming OP is in his 20s and lives to see his 80s. We're still way under the $50/mo for water.

Instead of wasting money on total coverage insurance, which is about $60/mo, OP could just buy another car or fix it once fucked. It's still entirely unnecessary. Who the fuck owns a car and doesn't have a few thousand laying around in case they need it? I have been buying cars and driving them into the ground just to buy another one when I get sick of putting up with the bullshit. If I were a smarter /o/fag I could stretch it a lot further but since I don't enjoy cars I consider it another version of the stupid tax and continue on my merry way. I have mechanic buddies who I'll dump the pieces of shit on and they pay me fairly for it. Last one was a little hyundai accent with a bad transmission. I got $400 for it, he turned around and sold it for $1200. Everyone is happy there.

It's not like this is permanent anyway. Even if OP is sitting on his ass doing nothing on his days off, should things get tight he could just ask for more hours, get a second job, freelance, hustle, whatever. If he really wants it he'll make it work. As far as dreams go this is pretty mild stuff. There are entire forums for people who want to play little house on the prairie-lite.

>>37383154
$30k invested in mutual funds should cover it for life according to trinity study. That's just a year or two of saving unless he's a burger flipper.

tiny houses and living in a van are a meme and I've gone through both.
I am poor and frugal even considering my almost decent income.
but its just not worth smelling of piss and having no where to store your stuff. it's impractical, and you will find there is a lot of false economy going on, making things more expensive in the long run.

>>37383674
I don't plan on not having a shower or living in a van.

>>37383624
>you're kidding right? do you know how bad this shit is for anyone trying to survive?

How bad will it be when you can't pay your hospital bills and we have to pay them and bail you out.

I pay for my own health ins and pay the deductibles.

someday when you grow up you will too

>It's too expensive! I'll just be a nigger and not pay for it and declare bankruptcy if I need a doctor, good thing I'm not a dreg of society!!!

fuck

>>37383617
Do it and good luck to you sweet prince

>>37383515
Making $12k is poverty, maybe I misunderstood OP but if you have a net gain it's hard to call it poverty. I assumed he would continue to build his nest egg before pulling the trigger.

If OP works twice a week $30 gets him to and from work with a 30 minute commute and grocery shopping twice a month no problem. I work full time and it's just under $20/wk for gas.

>>37383667
>Instead of wasting money on total coverage insurance, which is about $60/mo, OP could just buy another car or fix it once fucked.

Yeah buying several cars will save him tons of money

you are soo good at budget!

>>37383667
>$30k invested in mutual funds should cover it for life according to trinity study.

christ

>>37383694
you don't understand. tiny houses are subject to the weather, and bugs, and poor ventilation.
you don't live in a tiny house, you essentially wear it. you wake up in a fog from the condensation in your lungs filling the room. it smells of your breath and last night's dinner.

>>37383665
I liked Williams and Jerome personally. I could see what you're saying about gentrification as far as cities like Flagstaff and Sedona. As far as work goes I've been a butcher/meat cutter since I was 18 so if I could get lucky I would try to get a job with one of the ranchers in the area to be a part of a slaughter team. It's just an idea, funny part is I'm from Southern California too

>>37383737
>If OP works twice a week $30 gets him to and from work with a 30 minute commute and grocery shopping twice a month no problem.

Good thing cars never break or depreciate and wear out and all you ever have to do is put gas in them

>>37383749
30000*.04=1200
100*12=1200

Seems straightforward enough to me. It's still only 1-2k, if we have another 08 he could just tighten the belt a little and ride out the recession.

>>37383749
$60 a month you pay in the total price of a shitbox in 2 years, not a great bet you will total or experience catastrophic failure every 2 years

>>37383780
The depreciate worse than anything else. Only a retard would consider a car an investment. The only thing that goes in the gas budget slot is gas. Oil change ever 4000 miles is cheap, a new filter and some oil. Especially if you are barely putting 70miles/wk in.

with that money you could fi d some comfy appartment/house to rent for a couple of years. itll be enough to enjoy neetism

I live in a static caravan in the UK which is similar to those tiny homes on a park

>2800 ground rent (nice location, next to the beach)
>100 for year long wifi access
>2000 a year on groceries
>400 a year water bill
>1000 a year gas and electric
>600 a year on petrol

That's basically it for my annual expenses, between myself and my parents we only earn like 30,000 a year but our cost of living is so low we live pretty well, go out to restaurants, go on holiday ever year etc

>>37383858
This is definitely similar to what I want. Tell me more, I've been researching as much as I can and save as much money, but what should I look out for? Do you have any recommendations you would do differently if you could?

>>37383778
>Jerome
do you have any idea how expensive it is to live there? and sedona has always been expensive. you picked the two most expensive places to live in northern AZ.. fucking californians would think this is normal.

live in chino valley, payson, mayer, or cottonwood if you want to have money.

also ranchers? what? huh? you'll get a job at a grocery store in the deli.

>>37383887
Buy lots of big storage boxes because obviously a caravan won't have much storage, you can have electric put in them as well and then have a freezer in them, maybe build a shed etc

The newer models keep warmer which is very important if you're going to have cold winters.

You want to find a park where the landowner is helpful and relaxed, lets you do what you want. You'll want to get a Wifi booster for the internet and make sure there is a laundrette, swimming pool, gym, shop near by (most parks have the amenities)

Not sure how it works in the other countries but I stay on a holiday park so it is only classed as a temporary accommodation and don't pay any taxes lel. The downside to this is the park closes for 6 weeks so you want to know someone who will short term rent a place out to you (actually I don't always do this, last year I just backpacked through Europe for 6 weeks)

>>37383848
but then I would eventually have 0 money

>>37382312
House like one in the pic is shit. At least get a nice cabin, it may even be cheaper but it looks/feels much nicer.

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>>37382312
This actually does seem like a dream situation. If you can pull it off like you say, it would be pretty awesome and relaxing. I would even suggest to work a little extra after you've built the tiny house, and then you might have enough saved up to take off years. Maybe up to 5 years even.
Years of no real responsibilities, no need to socialize with all the fakeness, no bullshit coworkers, no prick bosses. Only media entertainment, good food, mild drugs (if you want), occasional prostitute or broad (if you want), and your own personal space. Not bad.

>>37383858
I sometimes dream about being a nomad. Get a diesel cargo van, put about $5k towards converting to a camper, and just pooting around america like a hobo+. I'd probably hate it 6 months in though, only reason I haven't done it yet.

>>37382312
My plan is very similar to yours.
>I have an RV that could make a one way trip to wherever I'm going.
>Alaska has many areas with no property tax
>Alaska also have a lot of fresh water, trees, and other natural red if you go far enough from the normies
The only problem (if you consider it that) with this is you'll likely be far away from civilisation so health problems, repairs o shit, and other supplies will be entirely on you. Benefit is you don't need a wage slave job; surviving this your job.

This is my plan. I'm having trouble making money though. I have so little motivation.

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>>37384826
>God I wish I could get a job making less than 20grand a year and live in a shitty tiny house and barely meet my monthly expenses while still relying on my job for healthcare

Oh god that's living the dream! You still have to work at a job and you live in poverty inside a trailer!

wtf is wrong with you people

The goal should be either not working or not being in poverty, one or the other

not fucking both

>>37382312
Your dream is to own a cuckshed?

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>>37385044

the TRUE dream is living as a comfy vagabond, all while busking to fund your travels.

>>37384826
>Years of no real responsibilities, no need to socialize with all the fakeness, no bullshit coworkers, no prick bosses. Only media entertainment, good food, mild drugs (if you want), occasional prostitute or broad (if you want), and your own personal space. Not bad.

Did you even read the OP? He's going to still have to have a job to live

>>37385044
Well, my goal is to move to woods and die. Where does that fall in your dichotomy?

>>37385044
>The goal should be either not working or not being in poverty, one or the other

this

retarded thread is retarded

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>>37385103
>Well, my goal is to move to woods and die. Where does that fall in your dichotomy?

under suicide, go do it

now

>>37385127
That was not listed in his "your goals should be" list

>>37382312
If I'm gonna NEET it up after savings, I'll just buy land in like Panama or Australia, or the Pacific

>>37382717

WTF IS THIS SHIT I pay like $400 a month on water and electricity alone. I'm not a homeless nigger

>>37384978
*natural resources
Only problem with phoneposting

>>37385044
>not being in poverty
this is subjective. What if I'm ok with just a mattress on the ground instead of a king size bed? Ever thought of that? If i have enough to afford high-speed internet, good food to cook, and decent healthcare, then I'm good. I don't need luxury. A 24" hdtv is fine for me. I don't want or need a 60" plasma. I decent laptop is good enough for me. I don't want or need a PC master race battlestation.
You and I have very different opinions of "poverty." So fuck off.

>>37385084
It was a suggestion that if he saved up enough, and wanted to take off some years, then he could. Did you even read the whole post????????

>>37385188

he lives with his mom and thinks his electric bill is $5 a month

that's the only logical conclusion for him being so out of touch

>>37385188
Are you single? Where do you live? I'm in fucking socal and average $45 a month for elrctricity

>>37385200
>this is subjective. What if I'm ok with just a mattress on the ground instead of a king size bed? Ever thought of that?

Actually the word "poverty" has an objective measure and is kept up with by the government and census, it is not subjective. That is why I used that word, OP desires to live in poverty.

How happy you are about being in poverty is not taken into account.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#Recent_poverty_rate_and_guidelines

>>37385188
How is this even possible?I've never had it go above $200 and I like to keep things comfy so I run the heat.AC as needed. Do you live in an uninsulated mansion?

>>37385213
He's obviously a thirdworlder, exchange rates make the numbers look funny.

>>37385200
>this is subjective. What if I'm ok with just a mattress on the ground instead of a king size bed? Ever thought of that? If i have enough to afford high-speed internet, good food to cook, and decent healthcare, then I'm good. I don't need luxury. A 24" hdtv is fine for me. I don't want or need a 60" plasma. I decent laptop is good enough for me. I don't want or need a PC master race battlestation.
>You and I have very different opinions of "poverty." So fuck off.

So you WANT to work full time and be in poverty?

that's retarded

>>37385269
some people came up with calculation doesn't make it real

>>37385438
>some people came up with calculation doesn't make it real

Actually coming up with a word then defining it makes it real anon

>there is no such thing as poverty despite it being measured and defined

OK!

>>37385269
>>37385312

That objective "poverty" measure is inflated, and therefore inaccurate. I've been living to my immense liking for the last 4 years even though I'm technically about $5k under the poverty line. The gov't makes it seem like people at the poverty line are on the verge of dying from starvation. This is wrong. People living at the poverty line are just gluttonous, irresponsible spenders, and procrastinators. That's why they're struggling so much.

It's because I wait for a movie to hit Redbox ($1.50 rental) or sometimes the library (free rental), whereas they go out to watch an IMAX 3D showing for upwards of $20 (not including food they buy that night, or gasoline to drive to the theater, etc.). I cook all my meals at home and eat takeout once a month, while they want Starbucks or McD's daily. I ride my bicycle and rarely use my 55mpg hybrid car, while they drive everywhere with their shitty car that gets 18mpg.

>>37385471
Yeah all those well off non poor people living on 15k per year

so gluttonous

such riches

>>37385525
>irresponsible spenders and procrastinators.

And yes, it is gluttonous to want McD's, Chinese food, or Starbucks every day. Show some self discipline!

>>37385469

I hereby decree grass over 2 inches too tall. by this definition 3 inch grass is objectively too tall. however it should be obvious my own standard is not universally objective.

I don't understand how anyone can think so bad, seems gullible.

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>>37385044
Yes goy, keep pushing for more money and more things! Gotta get that new car, and ooh, your neighbor just bought a boat so you better get on that too! Make sure to keep paying your mortgage goy, and don't forget the kids need to go to that fancy college across the country too!

>>37385925

The thing is OP is desiring to work a job that will barely pay for his food and trailer, so he wants to labor in poverty forever

that has nothing to do with buying TVs

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>>37385960
yes goy, owning land and a home is poverty! You are poor unless you own all the luxuries and gluttonous desires that I sell!

>>37386000
Living in a trailer paycheck to paycheck and working just to cover food and gas to work is living in poverty

yes

>>37386053
What is wrong with poverty again? Someone has to be in it

>>37386053
As opposed to what? Working to cover food, gas, mortgage, 2 cars, college tuition, vacations, etc.

Its not like retiring will be viable in 50 years anyway, so who cares.

>>37386053
by your subjective definition, owning land and having plenty to eat, heat, plumbing, sounds like plenty to me.

>>37386096
As opposed to working and making enough money to have savings

Stop fucking focusing on pissing money away on bullshit

Working and saving money is a better lifestyle than working and having nothing left over after you pay for your poverty trailer upkeep

There is a guy I work with that did something similar now only works 20 hours a week. He is a miserable alcoholic though.

>>37386150
>is a better
Subjective. Sorry, your argument has no substance. Just because you enjoy putting fiat paper into a bank that could choose not to give it back, doesn't mean others do.

>>37386200
you are literally an idiot

>>37386228
That's quite the supported statement you have their. Where did you find it?

>>37386150
what if the person worked and lived extremely cheaply in a tiny house and saved money?

I wouldn't feel safe in a tiny house. My uncle lives in a cabin in the woods and hunters tried to kill him several times.

>>37386636
Is your uncle a moose?

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>>37386816
A moose? Last time I checked he was human!

>>37386200
>hey anon if you drop a bowling ball it would be better if it didn't land on your foot
>so try not to drop your bowling ball, but if you do try to move your foot so the bowling ball hits the ground and not your foot

OMG THAT'S SUBJECTIVE, SOME PEOPLE LIKE HAVING BROKEN FEET

this is you

>inb4 the county comes in and forces you off your property because of their strict building codes
You do know they're starting to crack down on people doing exactly what you described?

>>37388098
What do you think a variance is? The whole point is it allows you to break code, all it needs is a rubber stamp. Suck county's dick or pay a contractor to sweet talk them.

>>37388429
>What do you think a variance is? The whole point is it allows you to break code, all it needs is a rubber stamp. Suck county's dick or pay a contractor to sweet talk them.

Nothing makes a man feel like a winner than sucking some other guy's dick to let him put his shitbox trailer in a field so he can work for poverty wages in town and live as the working poor

>>37388068
There is actual physical pain/harm from dropping a bowling on your foot. Besides, that is a case of action, whereas choosing not to slave away is a case of inaction. You're more than welcome to do what YOU think is "better" but working to meet my needs is fine for me. If I want to do hobbies or whatever, I work more.

>>37388548
I don't feel like a man working for "the man" either so I guess I'm shit out of luck.

>>37388548
Nothing makes a man feel homeless like getting kicked out because he's too stupid to work a fax machine.

>wagies btfo
>again
I never get tired of seeing it