>tfw after 5 years you understand the difference between lazyness

>>37220438
>I can finally stop beating myself around something I cannot really fight against
There it is.
There it is. The excuse you always wanted.

>>37220438

If you are not sad, you can fight. You can even still fight even if you are sad. But sometimes sadness can stop you from fighting.

Don't let a label define your life. You can still fight if you give yourself a chance.

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>>37220438
>you never were lazy to begin with
reminds me of fat people who say they have thyroid problems

technically theres a time to be sad in anyperson's healthy life. just don't let that emotion dominate your mind and control you actions, or you inaction. you gotta watch the timing, it's not that hard to play the life game. just pay attention and act accordinly, stay true to your heart and be careful of your thoughts.

>>37220515
Except that they just can't put the fork down. It really is a matter of willing to do it, and they don't.

>>37220501
It feels compfy to know all the struggle was real, and that I wasn't just lazy ya know

>>37220505
Depression is worse than sadness pal. Besides, I said I wasn't lazy, just depressed. When it get lighter, I can do shit.

>>37220547
Being sad=/= depressed. That's what you normies can't understand.

You don't tell someone that just had lung cancer to just go out for a walk, do you. It won't fix shit, because it's not adressing the problem.

Depression has physical, tangible effects on the body. Laziness does not. It's as simple as that. An individual with depression can actually suffer real deterioration as a result of exertion from trying to perform what might otherwise be simple, everyday tasks. I'm not sure why depression has this effect on the body, but it does, and it can't be corrected through mere human effort.

A lazy individual on the other hand is conditioned to be incredibly adverse to doing anything that might involve effort or physical or mental strain, even though this individual might have healthy muscle mass and normal energy levels.

>>37220704
This anon gets it. And knowing the difference just alleviates the weight on my shoulder on a great extend

>>37220588
if you say im a normie fine I'll be a normie ,but yeah I don't think I have a mental illness when it comes to true depression I have not been dignosed.
Still I mean i had dark times in my life like any
person I'm stiull only 21. I don't know much but from what my normie mind computes
is that depression kindof attacks you and
mentally you can't avoid it. now that doesn't
mean you shouldn't fight it physically. like
working out and getting fresh air , socializing
with people that are willing to listen.maybe even praying/ meditation I mean foighting is always better than just waiting and burning inside and out. don't just burn away, atleast try to find some water. also another problem with depression that (I think is how it works) is you stop being able to see the future, i mean you focus on the moment like your trapped in it but you are trapped in a lie a sad artifical negative emotion powered world that is nothing like reality. ithats probably why they call it a mental
illness is because it's not true to reality, though
reality can induce the state doesn't mean reality
is the way you percieve it in a negative moment. Many times i get really sad
but then after the wave falls away and the sun comes up (figuratively speaking) I feel like an idiot for not being able to see the light that was
right infront of my face the whole time. but then I realize the only way to escape your mind is to work on yourself physically. we are infact more
in control of our minds than we think everyaction we
take is stored in our subconcious and the receptors that are activated during those actions are strengthened.
>sorry for normiesplaining

>>37220438
Depression is a meme and you're just a lazy faggot.

>>37220744
Stop butchering the english language, it's already an easy language pal.

You weren't disgnosed, and that's the thing. Only thing you can relate is about how you had "bad times". Depression is on a different scale, on a different level.

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>>37220752
Pic very related, you opened my eyes

>>37220768
man you sound super edgy.
as I mentioned before, your negatively trapped
in a mental situation powered by sad emotions.
technically I can go to and get diagnosed if that would make you happy. The only reason I didn't
is because I don't want to take mind
numbing drugs.

>>37220768
and are you saying that depression is on 'another level/scale' because it can occur when there are no bad times experienced?

Tbh the biggest thing I learned when it comes to this kind of stuff is that no one really cares outside of possibly immediate family. When you use depression as an excuse for your complete lack of effort in anything the only person you're really fooling is yourself, if that.

>>37220872
yeah right on dude, I'm learning that every year. when you realize that people really don't care, it frees you up completely, i can be who i really am without feeling awkward. and people start
to respect someone like that.

>>37220815
I will hit enter
whenever I feel like it
so that reading is super annoying
and write your instead of you're

You're young. And you're assuming psychiatrists give meds easily.

>>37220839
I'm just saying that depression is worse than just feeling bad. Feeling bad comes and go, depression stays no matter the external stimuli.

Depression is a disease, feeling bad is common and temporary.

>>37220872
I know too well that people won't give a shit about you if you aren't a normally functionning being. I mean, from their perspective, they have no advantage at pulling through your shit while you can't really get any cons from the situation.

Besides, considering it took me 5 years to understand the difference between a lack of effort and plain depression, I don't think people get the difference easily either.

>>37220744
depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain
'thinking positively' isn't gonna do shit if my brain won't physically let me be happy

i know you mean well, but you should do a little more research

>>37220924
lol dude you are completely missing the point
I was trying to make.
NOT 'think positively' BUT 'ACT positively'
I am saying that our actions affect our brains
more than our thoughts. If you Physically act positively you subconsciously change your
brain, even if a little. You can't stay depressed in a fight, or flight situation, hence your body
trumps your mind.

>>37220899
Yeah it's definitely empowering in a way man, as first it was hard to accept because it meant I couldn't use muh feels to shy away from doing shit but eventually you have to either continue moving on or just give up completely
>>37220903
You may well be depressed but that doesn't give you a reason to lie around in bed all day feeling bad for yourself, tons of celebrities and people with notable achievements are also depressed and manage to make something of their lives

>>37220982
The fact you separate the brain and the body shows how much of a retard you are.

>>37220992
I'm not laying down on the bed everyday. I graduated top of my class at uni, but now I can understand why I can't do things sometimes.

Don't misunderstand my OP, I just said I got the whole difference between the two, not that being depressed actually was THE ultimate excuse to stop trying.

Any situation won't change if you don't do anything. Same goes with depression. The problem lies in the fact that your own will and mind is sabotaged by depression. But hey, you can still somewhat work even when sabotaged.

>>37220992
right, in factual reality, we are more in control of our bodies than we think. Sure the mind can hinder things ,but you can train yourself to be who you want to be.

>>37220982
this is what happened for me desu, was diagnosed with depression a few years ago, frequent thoughts of an heroing and steady descent into drug abuse. just forcing myself to get on with things and try and be around people that seemed happy, even if that meant going to stuff alone or going out when i would much rather just lay in bed. year later and not much has changed but i don't feel as bad about my situation anymore

>>37220438
oh look another whiny faggot

>>37221051
fair enough if you wanna see it like that but im saying that depression is not an excuse for, and in some cases not even distinct from laziness

if you ever get a chance to read 'the myth of mental illness' it's an interesting view on the topic if slightly radical, suggesting even the term illness is a misnomer in these kind of situations

>>37221067
awesome for you bro. It probably takes time,
your brain builds a stronger defense against the paralyzing aspect of depression."know thyself"
"conquering others takes force, conquering yourself is true strength" just some philosophy quotes I like.

>>37221167
i've been depressed for the past 10 years and i dont believe i need an excuse to be lazy
what do you say to that, normy-norms?

>>37221167
Do you know that a field evolves in 50 years though? It may have been highly relevant back in the days, especially when Freudian's theory was losing attention, but today, I doubt it is.

Sure the whole concept of "mental illness" can be problematic, but hey. It's not because it is problematic that it doesn't somewhat work.

>>37221229
if you're satisfied with that, then that's fine dude. personally i wouldn't be and i imagine most others would probably be attempting to do something about it

not sure why you state you've been mentally ill for the past 10 years like it's something to be proud of tho?
>>37221276
oh yeah definitely, in fact even at the time a lot of the views proposed were attacked for being too radical but it's more about the questions they raise. that's why most psychology students learn about freudian theories even though they've been debunked for decades now

>>37221342
i'm not capable of feeling satisfaction

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>>37220438
i am mostly lazy because of my depression i seriously don't remember the last time i enjoyed doing something games and movies became so boring i can't even concentrate.
i also can't even cry anymore and i have to fake my laugh whenever i am with people so i don't look awkward.

>>37221342
And that's also why the history of a field is highly important to the student of said field.

>>37221382
well that doesn't sound very pleasant, im surprised you're not trying to change that
>>37221391
for sure man, in my classes professors always mention the context behind a theory because it may seem obvious right now, but at the time there was a lot of new ideas that went into it

>>37221441
And the thought of even looking at the history of a field is recent!

>>37221461
really? not sure how recent you're talking but i went to a mediaeval history class which mentioned that the people who documented wars often took into account things like who would read it in the future and where it would be discovered, so people must have considered this stuff since a while back

>>37221441
why do normies think everything is under their control and subject to change on a whim
if thats true normies are demigods compared to me

>>37221514
I'm talking about the history in science fields I think. My memory is blurry, but Paul Tannery really pushed that idea in mathematics, and other pals followed at the beginning of the 20th century. In France, that is.

>>37221525
ur just being lazy m8

>>37221525
we're not talking about trying to subvert the laws of physics, the only thing you're trying to change here is your own body. surely if there's anything you can control it's yourself right?

>>37221388
I am not depressed but i stopped faking laughs and just wanna be myself.

>>37221574
oh that's neat, im currently taking a class in algebras and representations alongside the history of maths and i feel like knowing what kind of thoughts led people into coming up with these kinds of theories is a lot of help

>>37221614
it hurts more to fake than to be honest.

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>>37220438
There are depressed people who are not lazy. People who force themselves to get out of bed everyday and go to work. People who keep up hygiene.

You're just lazy

>>37220982
i think you missed my point as well.
im saying you can't change your brains chemistry.

serotonin is a chemical most commonly associated with joy. depressed people have significantly less serotonin than normal, hence the feelings of sadness/hopelessness. you can not change that with thinking or meditation. Depression is hereditary as well, as serotonin transmitter genes are passed down from your parents. so people can just be born with it, and not have to go through any kind of hardships.
That being said, having depression makes normal problems feel so much bigger than they really are, and can cause a lot of stress.
yes, it's good to act and think positively, but really it doesn't make much of a difference if you can't feel happy because of it.

'being depressed' and 'having depression' are completely different. you aren't diagnosed, so you don't really understand.
if you're going to be vocal about a subject, at least be educated on it

>>37221614
>>37221647

this is why stopped hanging out with others i have to keep up the fake smile all the time.

>>37221632
Considering no idea comes ex nihilo from some kind of genius, history of ideas sure is a necessary step to understand a field better.

>>37221574
im not lazy, i just cant keep maintaining the farce of my existence, it's too much
for example - reading through the posts you've been making back and forth with the other anon makes me feel fatigued and evokes a sense of dread
i don't have what it takes to pretend i care about any of your bullshit, if you want to call it laziness it makes literally no difference to me

>>37221713
then what's stopping you from killing yourself right now? you certainly don't appear to have any enthusiasm for life

>>37221713
>not understanding banter and sarcasm that is so obvious with the grammar

Well at least you did read my shit, and that's already that

>>37220438
>clinical depression
>everyones response is just loldudebro what do you have to be depressed about just smile
>parents inherently don't get it even after multiple doctors and psychologists sit them down to explain it
>nah i'm just a lazy cunt its not like i have a nice cardio and lift routine complete with diet or anything those 4 hours a day i play vidya somehow encompass my entire existence and i should be judged for it
>one time they seem to break on it they try and insist i take 3 times the recommended does to "strong arm the happiness out" when that same pill gave my crippling migraines and memory issues at even the lowest dose

>>37221797
Your parents sounds retarded.

But yeah, that's pretty much what I said earlier. It took me 5 years to understand the difference, so "normal" people won't get it that easily. Hell, they don't, period.

>>37221730
>>37221737
it's like i died mentally already
i used to be able to engage in playful banter and people used to think i'm funny but now i have no sense of humor and i can only offer complaints and harsh criticism
i don't see this as being even remotely under my control, i can't remember what i did to cause this to happen

>>37221823
I think the issue is they equate "depressed" with "sad" like its the actual emotion and not the mental disorder thats physically ruining your brain.

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How do I give myself depression? my life is complete shit and I have no future. I wouldn't mind if I didn't wake up but I still feel content, why?

>>37221905
What's hindering them in understand it though?

Well, perhaps the fact they didn't get depressed, no?

>>37221927
They see me laugh once at something and they thought i was just "pretending" to be depressed. They don't get its like your emotions and thoughts are just bubbles floating in a jar that is your brain and all that empty space is a good representation of depression encompassing and supressing every thought or feeling you have.
Again, i'm pretty sure they just think depression means sad.

>>37221674
That's me, but I always do the minimum amount of work required so am I lazy or depressed?
It's the second one. Everyday things like social encounters and college work take a lot of effort for me because I want to die.

>>37221978
Are they cultured? Have a degree? Have been in contact with mentally ill persons?

They seem in denial though. Perhaps they're in denial and retarded though

>>37222020
if you had a gun I'd want to meet up to suicide

>>37222031
They're worst than bottom of the barrel retarded despite being cultured and highly educated. They're a traditionalist asian family.

>>37222084
Ok, I can understand now.

But being cultured and educated, and not understand that a bunch of specialists in a field told you about the depression of your child MEANT HE WAS DEPRESSED

Boy

I feel you.

>tfw I actually am lazy
I'm seriously too lazy to do anything. Too lazy to study (just failed out of college, haven't told my parents yet), too lazy to get a job (never had one), too lazy for any hobbies (used to read a lot, now I can't). I'm not depressed because I feel mostly ok, even mildly happy most of the time. Also, I have none of the physical symptoms. You bet I beat myself up over this.

>>37222175 cont.
I romanticize the idea of depression tho. I think about suicide a lot when I feel shitty, but there's no way I could actually do it. I wish I was depressed so I could have a valid excuse for being a useless, lazy person, as pathetic as that sounds. I have no enthusiasm for living.

>>37222300
Don't romanticize any mental illness. I did so when I was 16, until I got depressed.

and boy

It's not worth it.

>>37222484
i developed an eating disorder doing this 0/10 not fun

>>37222484
Well I'm not depressed yet and I've been romanticizing depression since I was 12 because I was really sad about my parents' divorce then. Since then I've always been unsatisfied, so I always have a reason (>tfw no friends, basically) to keep pretending I'm depressed.

>>37222175
>>37222300
holy crap are you literally me