Why is it socially acceptable to be a marxist/communist and admire

>>37139306
I don't know, it's completely inexplicable

Shut the FUCK up, Y-HWEH you fucking goyim are so annoying.

>>37139306
One openly endorsed the systematic extermination of politically undesirable people. The other didn't.

Also, nazifags are edgelors, more often than not.

>>37139306
Both are unacceptable. Fuck off, you cunt.

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>>37139886
Moreover, I don't think it's socially acceptable to admire the Soviet Union. I know the "but that wasn't real communism!" meme is pretty stale, but honestly, it wasn't real communism. The fact that communism is probably impossible without devolving into a totalitarian state is beside the point.

Hitler's Germany WAS real Nazism, and it was fucking horrifying.

>>37140086
>nazism was real nazism

It was socialism lol

>>37139886
>One openly endorsed the systematic extermination of politically undesirable people. The other didn't.
>what are kulaks

>>37140099
Socialism with a really shitty racist stance. Also, "national socialism" has a different connotation in the german language.

>>37140128
Did you read the "openly" part?

>>37140128
I'll try to spell this out

Hitler's Germany: Guilty of genocide
Soviet Union: Guilty of genocide
Nazism: Advocates genocide
Marxism/Communism: Does not advocate genocide

because the nazi faggots lost the war and genocided god's chosen people whom happen to have much influence on media and academia. the commies on the other hand we never had a direct war with so they aren't seen nearly as bad, and the jews just fled from ussr instead of being killed a ton.

Nazis are racists

Commies are idiots

>>37140222
What is the Holodomor

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>>37140213
>distinguishing between Soviet Union communism and 'real' communism

>>37140151
The liquidation of the kulaks was openly encouraged by the Soviet state. The kulaks were blamed for the famine of the late 1920s. Read some history.

>>37140491
Yes, thats what they were. But still they did not announce them as openly destroying politcal undesirbales, like the nazis did.

Perception is reality, and the nazi PR machine was always shitty.

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>>37140458
Yes, I'm unironically distinguishing Soviet Russia's murderous regime from Marxist literature because they're legitimately different, you fucking muppet.

Communists are wrong. They're not wrong because authoritarian-led famine is built into communist theory - they're wrong because communism quickly and consistently devolves into authoritarian state capitalism. You're just as fucking deluded and ignorant as the communists you hate if you can't figure this shit out.

>>37139306
Nazis lost the war.
The Soviet Union was dissolved, but it wasnt a real victory to the capitalist block.

Besides, we are already in an advanced capitalist world, and we are far from an utopia, so people WILL look at alternative systems.

>>37140424
some dead ukrainian proles which 99% of normies know nothing about because they aren't jews.

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>>37140549
>completely missing the point

There's no point making the distinction between ''''''real''''' communism and soviet communism. One is theory and can never be achieved, the other is the practical application of the theory. That's the only one that matters. Good intentions mean nothing. Besides, both nazism and communism necessarily lead to millions of deaths, just because genocide is written into the fabric of nazism doesn't mean it's worse than communism which will result in just as many deaths anyway.

>>37139306
For the last fifty years or so, and certainly since, say, wolfenstein (stein) nazis have been the species of human everyone is encouraged to use to act out their fantasies of murdering another human being. We made peace with the Soviet Union and mostly fought them in boring games with hexes and spreadsheet combat. So, that's how kids these days were indoctrinated.

Overwhelmingly, nazism was an ideology of an enemy, and only of an enemy, that made far fewer inroads into the American and overseas cultures. America had a far more significant communist party, for far longer than it ever had its own nazis. Most classical communist groups are fairly marginalized and not connected with the kampus kids' kollective of today, moreso with the litigious culture that encourages ghetto football dives against cops for settlement money and goes after universities over title IX type shit.

Nationalist regimes fail because they try to ethnically purify the population. Communist regimes fail because they both inadvertently and intentionally starve the population

>>37140709
Nationalism and nazism are NOT the same thing

>>37140099
Only in the barest of senses. There were real socalists in the NSDAP in the early days, but Hitler and his guys forced them out in the late '20s.

>>37140749
Its an extreme form of nationalism. Ethnic nationalism i guess i would call it

>>37139306

>>socially acceptable

Except it isn't. One is universally condemned and the other is the political equivalent of wearing a MLP tshirt, fedora and trenchcoat.

>>37140086
>Hitler's Germany WAS real Nazism
ya rite lol

>>37140213
>Nazism: Advocates genocide
Richard Spencer doesn't advocate genocide, but he's still called a Nazi.

You're not allowed to admire the Soviet Union. You MAYBE are allowed to praise Lenin and Trotsky, but anything else will get you mocked and bashed.

>>37140424
Mostly exaggerated shit helped spread by Ukrainian Nazi collaborators. They even said "7 million Ukrainians" to beat the 6 million Jews. No surprise muh holodomor is a myth spread by Ukrainian nationalists to wash the blood off their hands from muh holocaust

>>37139306
If Germany had won WW2 we'd probably have the same problems and some of them might even be worse. Slave labor is as cheap as you can get and it's not like they would hesitate to use blacks and slavs for their factories/farms/etc. Globalization would still be a thing because it gives the rich cheap labor, access to foreign markets, and degrades the playing cards of the middle class. The Allies' leaders were just as racist as Nazi Germany at the time too just look at Churchill and his plans for the extinction of nonwhites. The only reason we have are multicultural society today is because white men want too much money for their work,spics will work for apples, pajeets will work for peanuts, and niggers in prison can be forced to work for nothing.

>>37140649
>There's no point making the distinction

Yes, there is. If you make this argument with an actual-factual Marxist, they're going to brush you off as another idiot that doesn't really know anything about their ideology. Covering your ears and yelling "YOU'RE LITERALLY STALIN" at them doesn't work.

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>>37140907
>holodomor is a myth

>>37139306

It's not socially acceptable to admire the soviet union, you have been radiaclised by the alt-right

the real world is not as bad as you you think it is, go outside and talk to a real person

>>37140957
"Holodomor" (of course pick a name that sounds like "Holocaust") is how you turn "people didn't have enough food because government messed up in a hard year worldwide" into "DA EVIL SOOVIETS TRIED TO KILL ALL UKRAINIANS GENOCIDE ALERT GENOCIDE ALERT WORSE THAN THE HOLOCAUST GIVE US REPARATIONS EVIL RUSSIANS". Cause and death tolls are beyond exaggerated by Ukrainian nationalists/Nazi collaborators/people who praise Ukrainian Nazi collaborators.

>>37139306
It's only -maybe- barely socially acceptable to be a commie if you're in an SJW area like Cali. Other than those kind of areas it is definitely not socially acceptable, and most people will think you're just retarded and edgy, especially if you're in the South and probably Midwest.

>>37140949
I am very familiar with marxist ideology. It's just pointless making the distinction because classical marxism can only exist in a fantasy world. You want me to entertain them? You want me to pretend that the intentions are more important than the practical, tangible results of the ideology? Every attempt at communism, whether in Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba, you name it, has failed epicly. Genocide is not inherently written in marxist theory, but it might as well be. To make the distinction is to delude oneself. Soviet communism IS real communism.

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>>37140691
>Most classical communist groups are fairly marginalized and not connected with the kampus kids' kollective of today
That's not true at all.

>>37140213
>advocates genocide
How can National Socialism advocate for genocide if Hitler never spoke publicly about wanting to gas anyone? The only advocacy was

>REEEEEE KIKES GET OUT

>>37140213
>Nazism: Advocates genocide

No it doesn't.

>>37139306
it's not socially acceptable. commies should be launched into the sun.

>>37139306
one was a symbol of being bad at economics the other is a symbol of hatred toward nonwhites

>>37142240
>Was
It was made that to be represented that way

True national socialism is about love for you fellow countryman

Hitler's Germany was not true national socialism

>>37139306
>Why is it socially acceptable to be a marxist/communist and admire the soviet union but it isnt socially acceptable to be a national socialist and admire Hitler's Germany?

>Stalin didn't round up and kill Jews/Minorities for being Jews/Minorities (Well, except for gays)
>Socialism understand how people who aren't rich can be fucked up and exploits them
>Better solutions for economic and racial inequity
>Gave ideals and supported political activists who speak out and fight against discrimination
>Unions and affordable health care

Hitler was shit. Get over it, /pol/

>>37142838
>unironically defending communism and racial tolerance

Get over here, boy. The helicopter just finished reving up its engine!

>>37140904
>>37141699
>>37141776
>If we don't say we want to kill non-whites when we actually do, maybe they'll see us like the good guys...

>>37142895
>mass deportations
>the same as killing

ok then r/politics.

good to know.

>>37142907
>>mass deportations
>>the same as killing

In many ways, it can. People go to America for survival and build a new life. If they stayed in their home country, they ether stay in poverty, die/murdered, or in jail.
>>37142889
There's a special place in the Gulag for you

>>37140213
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program
>not one of them mentions genocide

kys you fucking antifa twink

Where on Earth is it socially acceptable to admire the fucking Soviet Union? Portland or some shit?

>>37140907
>You're not allowed to admire the Soviet Union.
The teachers union in Massachusetts sponsored a counter-protest to a free speech rally in Boston last Saturday. People waved Soviet flags at the counter-protest.

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>>37139306

Most people would agree that admiring the Soviet Union would be at least a little strange if not downright offensive to some. But I think that for your average person, communism is seen as a well meaning experiment that failed/was hijacked by bad people, while Nazis were obviously evil.

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>>37139306
Too bad they didn't win, worst timeline 2bh.

>>37142838
Gay rights were no worse in Stalin's Russia than in any Western country. And before the 30s, the Soviet Union was very tolerant toward gays.

>>37143261
Of course. "Communism would be awesome if not for human nature." Most people secretly love communism.

Nazis trying to eradicate, enslave, or force into Siberia all Slavic peoples west of the Urals doesn't count as genocide to the people in this thread, it seems.

Browse /his/ once in a while, geez.

>>37142895
>>37143261
>while Nazis were obviously evil.
see
>>37143103

>>37139306
because the soviets were on the winning team in WW2

>>37144595
You twist my words. I said "the average person" aka your typical liberal peasant. Never compare me to such trash ever again. Apologize you illiterate miscreant

>>37139306
Because the Soviet Union was on the winners' side in WW2.