What would you do if you lived in communism and had total freedom?

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>>37138905
>lived in communism
>had total freedom

>>37138938
>reads no communist literature and has no basic understanding of the philosophy
>still tries to make smug and smart comments against it

>>37138995
>unironically is a communist
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

OP's pic is right, communism is only for chads. When no one has money anymore in communism, women are only going to sleep with the people who have the most attractive apperance and personality. Robots wont be able to use money to get a wife or even hire a prostitute. Karl Marx invented communism as a way to doom all robots to being virgins forever.

>>37139175
>implying the problem is lack of sex and not lack of intimacy and qt 3.14s who love you
Communism would be a marked improvement in that sense because women wouldn't be concerned with social capital or social mobility through relationships. Relationships wouldn't be commodities to buy and sell. Nor would women be taught by advertising and media that they should desire 6'1 beefcake chads.

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>communism
>freedom

Next you'll be telling me your infallible version of communism has never been tried...

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>>37140279
But it has. It was called Yugoslavia and it was awesome.

Then autistic nationalists ruined everything.

I'd like to do something simple but important. Like being a guard or a teacher or something. In a nice chill little town.

In my spare time I would lift heavy things and put them back down, read books, enjoy art. I suppose the same things I do now.

>>37140279
China man here. Communism will make us the #1 economy in 3 years. Explain that.

>>37140906
Yugoslavia sucked, but it's definitely 10x better than its current state.

>>37140995
It was the pinnacle of the Balkan's entire history. That counts for something.

Probably the first and only time ever that the Balkans weren't the dirty unwiped arse of Europe. Instead Romania was.

>>37140993
Nobody takes China's claim of being communist seriously.

>>37141042
To be fair very few actual communists take the USSR's claim of being communist post-Khrushchev seriously.

It's not like control of the means of production by the state is inherently more communist than control by private capitalists.

>>37141042
> Sees some examples of failed "communism". COMMUNISM IS THE GREATEST FAILURE IN HISTORY
>Impending most powerful state in the history of mankind. NOT REAL COMMUNISM.

What is it American? Either they are both real communism or they are both not real communism. No state ever followed some book written in the 19th century to its word, so by that definition neither are real. However, by definition of state-owned corporations they are both communism.

>>37140993
No, the corporations using you guys for what amounts to slave labour to create their products on the cheap and without restrictions is what makes your economy good.

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>>37139047
To not be a communist is to literally be a cuck.

Santa even said so.

>>37140993
How does it feel being a race of ant-like people that have no words to express themselves as individuals in their language?

>>37141199
Answer my question, is China communist or not. And if not, what would make the USSR communist and China not?

As for slave labour, those lower class would never have amounted to much else anyways. They get food, property, and money to spend. Unlike other countries in SEA, we do not have sweatshops that amount to slavery. Every worker is paid enough to live independently. Your lying media might have been telling you otherwise for years though.

>>37141242
Individuality is the same disease that lead to your traps. Unlike other countries in the SEA, transgenderism is not tolerated or encouraged. The average person is ignorant and dumb by default, that is true for every country. Why should they be allowed to express such ignorance?

>>37141273
Bolshevik. Bolshevik. Bolshevik. Bolshevik. Bolshevik. Bolshevik. Bolshevik. Bolshevik. Bolshevik. Bolshevik. Bolshevik. Bolshevik. Bolshevik.

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>>37141242
>le individualism collectivism dichotomy
The only real kind of individualism is the Max Stirner kind and that's totally hostile to western notions of "morality", "property", "human rights" and all that shit.

>>37141321
You assume I am part of the U.S, and you assume we are the ones that encourage filth like transgenderism.

I am in a European country where that is not tolerated.

>>37141273
Neither are Communist, but China isn't even state capitalist, just regular capitalist.

The problem with communism is that it's exactly like capitalism.

Exact in the sense that you will always have a ruling class, followed by a poorer working class. With communism, you have violent political takeover. With capitalism, you have clandestine political takeover. It's the same ends, thru different means.

>>37141519
Ah but you see in communism the workers control the means of production. It's supposed to be a classless society with no ruling class and where no one is poor.

>but that's not what happened in practice.
Yeah and until the 20th century what happened whenever anyone tried to fly in practice is they fucking fell and died. Doesn't mean we should give up trying to achieve a noble goal.

If we had that mentality we'd still be cavemen.

>>37141519
That's because communism and capitalism were both created by the same people who are currently the ruling class.

Both of them are equally terrible, do not respect humans and are what amounts to an illusion of choice.

You would not have the choice to be an agricultural scientist. If you had the knowledge for it you would be forced to, otherwise you'd be sent to wherever the government would need you the most. Ask any Cuban that lived under Castro's regime. They are forced to do whatever job is needed, and if they failed to do it successfully they would be punished. So unless you entered this so-called "Communist Utopia" with a wealth of prior knowledge about agriculture and the sciences related to that subject, you would not follow your dream. You would be stuck wherever they government decided you would need to be stuck. Everyone has to do a job in Communism to contribute to society, otherwise society collapses. In Capitalism, everyone does a job to survive, and it benefits society as a result. But nobody can make anyone else do a job in Capitalism, as there are always alternatives because people persue jobs on a regular basis and somebody will always want to do one job or another. But if nobody wanted to do farm work in a Communist society, unless they were forced to do it, it would not get done.

>>37141566
>Ah but you see in communism the workers control the means of production. It's supposed to be a classless society with no ruling class and where no one is poor.

Workers:
>Let's seize the means of production

Chad:
>Let me seize the means of political, military and social control

>>37141233
What a fucking retard.
The issue is is that communists never doubt themselves. Whenever they speak of a revolution or a utopia, they never for a single second think that they will be one of the millions to starve to death. When the government grows to the point of controlling everything and ruling over the will of all, that is when you have truly become a cuck and you will know how bad suffering can be.

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>>37141745
>communism means super duper big government

>>37141745
China man here. Grew up through it just fine.

>>37141779
Communism means a ruling class who gets to enjoy the toil of a nation of slaves.

Your ideology is metaphysical dogshit

>>37141794
Last I checked communism meant a stateless, classless, moneyless society.

>Your ideology is metaphysical
On the contrary, our ideology is materialist.

>>37141782
China isn't even Communist, stop LARPing. Mao is dead.

>>37141826
Last I checked humans aren't machines that would never defy rules.

An ideology exists within the mind, it is not physical, it influences physical actions.

>>37139175
>Marx invented communism
Top zozzle

>>37141845
You're right. They're animals that tend to follow their self interest, hence material dialectics.

>An ideology exists within the mind, it is not physical, it influences physical actions.
You're right, hence why communism is materialist and not idealist.

>>37141827
All of our state labels say communism. The state is regularly labeled as communist by western voices.

>>37139664
That's the way it's been since prehistoric times. Why would communism change that?

>>37141956
Do all men exclusively like thicc big titty wide hips fertility goddesses?

No. Then why would all women exclusively like shredded Chads?

>>37141874
Instead of trying to treat humans like machines, why not work to create machines who will not complain or rebel to do the work instead?

>>37141994
Actually that's a key point of communism. They main driving force of class-antagonism is automation as it puts workers out of work and makes it more difficult for them to survive. So for capitalism to continue it needs to invent Kafkaesque bullshit jobs and an ever expanding state both in terms of welfare and social control.

The point of communism is to make this new technology work for the good of everyone so that they can do things they actually want to do rather than exist to uphold a system that's disproportionately benefiting a very small group of people.

>>37141983
People have always used each other for social reasons or personal gain is what I meant.

>OP's poor wording triggers another shit flinging thread

What he meant was "what would you do if you lived in a post-scarcity, communalistic society and had total freedom?"

Me? I'd devote myself to research in sustainable agri-sciences and try and form a community with like-minded people who are also interested in colonizing space and pushing the bleeding edge of the technological singularity.

>>37141956
>>37142061
Because most systems have always had a social hierarchy to advance up through social mobility, while in modern capitalism, real capital has a correlation to social capital. Communism will have neither.

>>37141936
Yeah and someone who isn't on the inside might think Russia is great when in reality it is fat-girl angle, the country.

China is literally: WE WUZ COMMUNISTS N SHIET, you aren't. You have corporate cock down your throat, you are in the pockets of the global elite, your people are ant-like and have no sense of individualism, so you think that applies to a different race of people who are far more individualistic due to the nature of our brains.

I'll give you this: You're communists at heart.

>>37142033
Make no mistake, I see nothing wrong with the logic behind communism, but all these "ifs" are meaningless if there's a group of people who will manipulate the system to their own gain and ruin the whole thing.

I've read all of what I think are your replies and talking points OP and I gotta say you're way to ideological and just really one of those only sees the small picture kinda guys.

>>37142097
Social capital will never truly go away though. It's a core survival method of every social mammal

>>37142142
Well yeah but that's what is already happening. In order to prevent this in any system it's important we aim to be as equal and non-hierarchical as possible so that people aren't empowered to do that.

>>37142208
And in Communism there is no longer any concern about surviving, leaving people to do whatever they like without worrying if they'll have food or a home.

>>37142100
Pockets in the global elite? Our state is more powerful than whatever Jewish conspiracy you think there is. We expend the lower classmen for money and become more overwhelmingly large as a result.

The only thing you know about China are US state funded propaganda. It goes to show from your simplistic view. You say we lack individualism but I doubt you have even conversed with more than 2 Chinese.

>>37142100
Why do you say the Chinese have no sense of individualism?

What is more "individualistic" about western countries.

>>37142269
Lets take a step back for a second. Time for some perspective: We're arguing about this on a website, this board in particular as anonymous strangers, where the dregs of society come because they are not welcome anywhere else.

Nothing grand will come of this interaction whether either of us set aside our vain pride and try to see the other's side of things.

if i felt communism was on the rise i would just grab my moms thicc 10 inch serrated and stab all you faggots
better dead than red suck cocks in hell

>>37138905
>>>/leftypol/
Get out commie.

>>37142456
The only issue is you openly degrading 1.4 billion people to a subhuman stereotype made by the US media. I don't assume you are some fat retarded cousin fucker, why should you assume I, one of 1.4 billion, am an ant without individuality.

>>37142552
>>37142510
Welp, looks like the classcucks are here.

Hope you enjoy porky's dick, faggots.

Communism can never work on a large scale

>>37142588
For what reason is that?

>>37142246
Women them will give attention to only the top chads

>>37142659
To communism work it have to be global ie 7.2 billions wanting the same things in the same away. it is impossible

>>37142718
That implies that communism requires the entire world operating as one unified community rather than it being innumerable communities like it is now interconnected via co-operation and communication.

Of course it has to be global, but the thing about global communism is that it's not much different from simply dividing each person into their own state exclusively reigning over their own self. It doesn't matter if everyone wants things the same way or if they have different plans for themselves, provided it doesn't interfere with anyone else (which it shouldn't anyway) it's very flexible.

what the hell, How did r9k become like this?

>>37141233
this quote is Marx calling capitalist proles cucks.

How would the auto industry work under communism?

>>37142668
The idea of a "top chad" can only exist under a hierarchical system where certain types of men are specifically valued and empowered. To think that there's only one specific type of men that women truly like is absurd, just as much as thinking that all men only like big-titted stacies.

When a romantic relationship with an individual is only pursued for its own sake, and not for any implicit gain, then there will be no "chads" because there will be no system that certain men excel at at the expense of others. The 6'1 blond jock will simply be just that, and will only attract women who specifically want that.
>>37142718
Everyone already wants the same thing; food, shelter, freedom, peace, a chance to live own life how they'd like. Communism is the only system that can actually fulfill all of those things, as opposed to Capitalism which is inherently zero-sum and antagonistic.
>>37144075
Same as it is now; almost entirely automated. That will go for most things, even labor intensive fields, because the aspect controlling whether something is automated under Capitalism is whether it'd be more profitable or not, whereas under Communism it would be whether people want it to be or not.

>>37138905
spend all day playing vidya

ill be a communist when it
a) doesn't fucking fail
or
b) doesn't turn the country into a fucking shithole.

also worth noting socialism is not communism. socialism is practiced to an extent in scandinavia for example, but everything needs to be in moderation.

>>37144576
Outgoing tall, strong with symmetrical faces are the top chads, and they still will be at the top in a real communist society.

>>37141794

>Communism means a ruling class who gets to enjoy the toil of a nation of slaves.

That's literally capitalism.

>>37144576
>Everyone already wants the same thing; food, shelter, freedom, peace, a chance to live own life how they'd like
Wanting the same things in the same away. Anon humans aren't a hivemind

Motherfucker you made this same thread several times this week. You can't just choose whatever you want in a communist society. Automation can only fill so many jobs. If there weren't enough engineers you HAVE to make them fill those roles to fix that imbalance. You can't just let everyone choose whatever they want otherwise you'll see some serious imbalances in how society works and shit will just crumble under everyone's feet.

You're gonna have to wait a couple hundred years until we either have the technology or post-scarcity for robots to do the shitty jobs. Because no one would volunteer to be a sewer cleaner in your society. Only reason why people even consider it is because it's high pay because of how shitty it is, the extra pay is a means to entice people to do that kinda work.

communism is like super-herpes

>>37138995
Communism isn't any kind of freedom, in fact the opposite. What are u smoking

>>37144780

We're already far beyond post-scarcity. We produce massive surpluses of food and other goods that get wasted every single day.

I'd do the bare minimum and then jerk off all day

>>37141826
>Last I checked communism meant a stateless, classless, moneyless society.
Absurd. First comes bartering, then comes trading precious metals, then comes legitimate currency. All money does is streamline the process of trade.

I understand protesting fiat currency but trying to absolve the entire concept is ludicrous because trading favors only works if you intentionally keep your society small.

>>37143880
Leftypol has been trying to invade r9k for a good while now because they've realized this board has a lot of overlap with pol.

>>37144709
The top of what? There's nothing to be the top of. If you're implying that they'd attract all the women, then you'll have to concede that like all men, you only want big-tited, blonde stacies who wear lots of makeup.

How sheltered do you have to be to think women all want the same thing? I'm met dozens qts who were with men who weren't particularly handsome or alpha, and plenty who were with complete nerds. Fuck, the qtiest girl I've ever know was with this short stuttering asian.
>>37144759
People also want those things the same way: whatever is easiest and quickest.
>>37144780
We're already effectively beyond post-scarcity in some of the most important commodities, and that's not even intentional. Almost everything could quickly be automated if people wanted it to be, the few things that couldn't would be assigned on a rotation basis so that no one gets stuck doing sewage for years.
>>37144839
Giving an inaccurate history of currency isn't an argument for why a moneyless society is impossible when that's been the main form of society for the majority of human history.

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First things first is I would eat so much fucking food. I've been poor all my life and I just want to eat like a king. Then I'd take classes on programming and ecology and farming and music. I'd run and bike and shoot guns a lot. I'd sleep more since I work late to keep up with rent, I wish I could sleep more.

>>37138995
Ok. So, who had this basic understanding? Literally every communist state turned into dictatorship with executions and basic rights denial. No exeption.
Marx himself actually had some good points, but they are more of interesting thoughts than political doctrine.

>>37138905
>What would you do if you lived in communism and had total freedom?
Leave with my family/friends before the government goes full purge in an attempt to save the country for economic death.

>>37144860
>the few things that couldn't would be assigned on a rotation basis so that no one gets stuck doing sewage for years.
And who controls this rotation?

People have been describing communism as stateless, so what happens when 40-50% of the population revolts and refuses to work with literal shit? Do you just force the other less violent people to operate that rotation on a more frequent basis for no increased reward?

>>37144860
>The top of what?
Genetic luck
> then you'll have to concede that likeall men exclusively like thicc big titty wide hips fertility goddesses
i concede this
>How sheltered do you have to be to think women all want the same thing? I'm met dozens qts who were with men who weren't particularly handsome or alpha, and plenty who were with complete nerds. Fuck, the qtiest girl I've ever know was with this short stuttering asian.
These men either are successful or have high chances to be

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>>37141794
>Communism means a ruling class who gets to enjoy the toil of a nation of slaves.
Haha jesus christ

>>37144966
But anon, that isn't REAL communism!

>>37144917
No, literally every Marxist-Leninist state, which makes sense because it's an inherently authoritarian and brutal ideology. If Communism was a monolithic ideology than the Soviet Union wouldn't have needed to crush and betray dissenting Communists, like in Catalonia, Ukraine, or even in Russia itself when they took away the power of worker councils (the soviets that the USSR was named after) because they weren't following party line. That's why I'd agree that any modern Marxist-Leninist who thinks "this time it'll be different" is a fool that deserves to be ridiculed.
>>37144970
>And who controls this rotation?
The general system would be agreed upon democratically, preferably by consensus.
>so what happens when 40-50% of the population revolts and refuses to work with literal shit?
If they're just trying to exploit the other 50% into doing more work, then they'll be told to fuck off and either comply with the fair rotation or go start their own commune and deal with their own shit. Stateless doesn't mean the people are toothless.
>>37144990
>i concede this
It was a rhetorical question, you weren't supposed to concede to something that's patently false. Go to /fit/ and talk to them about thicc and they'll tell you to fuck off.
>These men either are successful or have high chances to be
You're just making shit up to justify your argument. None of those men I knew were successful, and I'd know a golddigger if I saw one, nor do I think those women were subconsciously attracted because those wagecuck men might be somewhere in 20 years.

>>37145141
>If they're just trying to exploit the other 50% into doing more work, then they'll be told to fuck off and either comply with the fair rotation or go start their own commune and deal with their own shit.
And what happens when they outnumber them?

Or another commune with more firepower decides to force them to handle their shit for them?

>>37145188
>And what happens when they outnumber them?
Same as any other system I suppose. Though I find it highly unlikely people will kill their neighbors because they don't like doing necessary work to keep the commune running. Wars are usually between outgroups, not within ingroups.
>Or another commune with more firepower decides to force them to handle their shit for them?
Then all the other communes who like their peaceful society will deal with the one commune trying to enslave others. But this is assuming wars happen democratically from the will of the people, when usually, someone at the top starts one for their own benefit with the help of the hierarchical system under them. Regular people will only go to war if they believe they're defending themselves or their people.

>>37145141
>It was a rhetorical question, you weren't supposed to concede to something that's patently false. Go to /fit/ and talk to them about thicc and they'll tell you to fuck off.
Perhaps i should write only fertile goddesses
>You're just making shit up to justify your argument. None of those men I knew were successful, and I'd know a golddigger if I saw one, nor do I think those women were subconsciously attracted because those wagecuck men might be somewhere in 20 years.
They at least give those woman stability

>>37145298
>Perhaps i should write only fertile goddesses
I'd rather an infertile goddess desu.
>They at least give those woman stability
All of those women had jobs and lived or could've lived on their own.

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>>37138905
"Real Communism" is bullshit. Marx was just a pampered Aristocrat daddy boy who never worked and wrote a criticism of contemporary capitalism. Then some goons used the idealist BS in the earliest 20th century to start a revolution and kill a bunch of people. Then another goon used the "transitionary" government to starve a bunch of people who disagreed with him.

>>37145333
>All of those women had jobs and lived or could've lived on their own.
But they could raise a kid/s alone?

>>37141116
China is not, and has not been communist for a long time.

>>37138905
I would be a mechanic and fix cars. My training would be paid for by the state and I wouldn't have to worry about losing my job due to injurys. I wouldn't have to worry about being exploited by my boss or being forced into unsafe conditions. I would get to repair all the road vehicles essential to maintaining a good infastructure and help make the world a better place for me and my comrades

>>37145352
Marx was born middle-class, and after university he was disowned and lived the rest of his life poor as shit, barely surviving off of his friends' loans. He also did work as a journalist and writer.
>>37145374
Probably not, and neither could their men. Does that mean men who want children would only get with women who can give them one?

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>>37144865
I'm sorry m8. Life shouldn't be that tough. I hope someday I can help create a better world for you and people like you.

>>37138905
kys jew

>>37145428
>Does that mean men who want children would only get with women who can give them one?
Yes

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>>37139047
I thought this was pretty funny.
>>37138905
shit thread, OP.

SAGE

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>>37138905
>wants to shill his shitty woman infested ideology on /r9k/
>he chooses to do that by equating communism to Chad
That's fitting, though, in my uni which is commie central only women and Chads are communists

Inb4 communist bread line

>>37144576
What about cultures that have hierarchy ingraned into them independent of capitalism ? What happens to those ?

Also what happens if a society with a state and class system invades a communust one ? So they suddenly create a hierarchy and state to defend themselves ?

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>>37138905
>What would you do if you could do anything
ftfy
A utopia is a utopia and the method in which it is achieved wouldn't be relevant if your thread were sincere. No utopia will ever be a reality anyway.
Leftipol go home.