Why does our society hate the idea of saving your virginity for

My wife and I did it, i dont see the big deal

because women want to shop around for the best chad dick

Sex feels very good

>>37126892
No one is shaming people that could get laid but choose not to.

>>37126892
Because it puts a limit on how much pleasure Chads and women can extract from life (other people).

>>37126892
Because not everyone wants to bed a faggot who can't lay pipe. It makes for a shitty marriage.

>>37126926
Also this. When you're repulsive it's clear why you can't get laid, even if you claim it's for purity. Good looking people who save themselves are commended, like Tim Tebow.

>>37126892
"our" society?
sucks to be you m8
no gods, no masters.

Classic example of the fox who lost his tail. Roasties know they lost the most important thing so they encourage others to do so as well. This way the roastie is not alone in being subhuman trash.

>>37126892
Why do you hate the idea of not saving your virginity for marriage so much?

>>37126930
Pleasure isn't a zero sum game you fucking moralist.

>>37126966
t. NEET who lives with his parents still, is still a virgin, and has no prospects for the future

>>37126966
considering that no one but some basement dwelling alt righters actually care wether a woman is a virgin or not, I don't see how it is the "most important thing".

>>37127048
Don't be so harsh on yourself man, if it were really that bad you'd have killed yourself by now. You might not be a virgin, but I'm sure you still have something of value. Just look really really really really really deep down.

>>37127092
Maybe you're right, every great culture ever was just alt right basements. Frame your failures and shortcomings positively and you avoid the despair that comes from knowing you are worthless.

>>37127106
t. retard

originoli

>>37126892

Because if that was the case most guys wouldn't get laid.

>>37127039
I'm not a moralist. It's just what it is. If you tell Chad and women to wait it limits their enjoyment. That's why they get mad at the idea. And dating/mating are a market. Liberate the market, some people will hoard most of the sex/love/affection, while others won't get any. Take into account the differences in sexual strategies between men and women and you'll see where it leads. Why should a beta give a shit about a society that wants him to toil away with zero recognition or affection in exchange? Not even a hug?

Also, pleasure has consequences you fucking reckless hedonist. Be it diabetes, divorce, strokes, STDs or depression. Or revolution. I'm not asking you to be Confucius but if you could try to see the big picture a bit it would surely be interesting for you.

It would mean marrying young, might lead to strong pair bonding, and women staying at home.
While that might actually make some people lead a happier life, the modern low wage mix of broken young single males/adult betabux providers and young professional cockjumpers/bitter used up catladies is a better feeding ground for the almighty economy.
in other words your fucking happiness is unimportant, moar growth counts.

>>37127140
>I'm not a moralist
>goes on a moralist rant about how pleasure is a bad thing

It's understandable when you're attractive.

>>37127129
funny how all these great cultures also had slavery and human sacrifice...
And what does that even have to do with what I said? Are you living in the present? How is it the "most important thing" if no one cares about it?

>>37127163
>observing that actions have consequences is being a moralist
If I throw the cup on the floor, the cup breaks. Saying that makes me a moralist. Okay.

>>37127203
So if these consequences could be prevented (which most of them can and the others will be in the near future) full on hedonism would be alright with you? If not, you are a moralist that is just trying to come up with ad hoc rationalization for his distaste of others lifestyles.

>>37127198
The current culture practices slavery and human sacrifice exactly as the ones we evolved from. Everyone cares about virginity except for the tailless foxes and tricky puppetmasters. I've never spoken with anyone who was truly happy about losing their virginity. The way it is referred to tells you everything. Losing one's virginity. It's never breaking out of virginity or being freed from virginity, it's always something that is lost. You can't lose or miss something if you don't value it.

>>37126892
I wouldn't say hate, people just don't like being shamed, specially women.
and there is an element of slut shaming to it.

>>37127165
Being moderately attractive does not actually make your life better if you are not really into the hyper sexualized modern lifestyle.
It actually makes your life a hell of a lot tougher.

>>37127273
>The current culture practices slavery and human sacrifice exactly as the ones we evolved from
>I have no argument but want to sound smart
So if you were to ask a random guy on the street if he cared about a womans virginity, what answer do you expect?
Fuck off with that semantic drivel.

>>37126892
Because most parents don't do enough to stop their kids banging and as a result roasties don't realise the magnitude of their decision until years later.

This combined with mounting pressure from feminism to glorify sluttish behaviour because "it's okay when men do it" even though the vast majority of men also look down on player behaviour results in women performing mental gymnastics.

The "it was out of my hands but I'll keep fucking on the first date anyway because he might be the one" mentality eventually mutating into total apathy towards sex. It honestly frightens me that there is such apathy towards sex as a whole, sex creates people. All it takes is one lay to create a whole new person. That alone should add enormous weight to the act.

the most chaste cultures are all under breeding where as cruder cultures are growing seems like a sensible instinct to hate the mentality responsible for your people going extinct

>>37127325
>the magnitude of their decision
as in?

>>37127353
Did you even read my post? The fact you can only lose your virginity once. A lot of women regret their first time because it was A) with a retard B) a drunken one night stand or C) they feel like they were outright pressured into it.

>wait until marriage to lose virginity
>you find out she has a roastie
>she finds out you're a dicklet
>none of your kinks match up


geeze i wonder why people dont take that stupid unnecessary ego driven gamble

>>37127382
I don't see the magnitude in that. Seems slightly regrettable, not really impactful.

Because it's fucking retarded for several reasons

1. It's usually motivated by religion which is dogshit

2. Sexual compatibility is an integral aspect of a relationship and it's fucking retarded to sign a contract linking yourself with another person without having some inkling about this.

3. Marriage is foolish, and if you sign that contract as a man you're a retard. Enjoy having some roastie take half your stuff + alimony when she gets tired of you and wants to get her holes stuffed by the manager of a Sports Chalet

>>37127452
B-but muh degeneracy! Muh you're just a hedonist! You have to man up!!!!

>>37127452
>Sexual compatibility is an integral aspect of a relationship

The faggots arguing for celibacy until marriage will never understand this. You can fall head over heels for someone, then realize that you're just incompatible in the sack/intimacy department in general.

>>37127039
It actually is, you fucking hedonist.

>>37127415
Personal magnitude not societal magnitude you fucking Spic.

>>37127452
>1. It's usually motivated by religion which is dogshit
Religion is a solid foundation for society.
>2. Sexual compatibility is an integral aspect of a relationship and it's fucking retarded to sign a contract linking yourself with another person without having some inkling about this.
Unless she has a dick, you're sexually compatible.
>3. Marriage is foolish, and if you sign that contract as a man you're a retard. Enjoy having some roastie take half your stuff + alimony when she gets tired of you and wants to get her holes stuffed by the manager of a Sports Chalet
Divorce should be illegal.

>>37127524
>Unless she has a dick, you're sexually compatible.

#juststupidvirginthings

>>37127524
>Fairytales are a solid foundation for society

>>37127452
1.Was actually motivated by political and social reasons.

2.Sexual compatibility is great...for fuck buddies or FWB. But lust wanes and love never does. Besides,the more sex you have with random people the less sex means and the less likely you can remain faithful to that one person. There's actually a 100% proven mathmatical equation that states how likely a woman is to cheat or initiate divorce based on the number of partners(this includes women)she's had in the past.

3.You're right. Marriage is foolish. But if both people enter into it as virgins there's almost no chance they'll break up, compared to people who've been fucking around for a lot of years.


We don't have a society that places a lot of weight on marriages staying together or even helping people become better partners or spouses. We only have one that pressures people into looking for and getting into and out of marriages and relationships as fast and as many times as possible as a way to keep various institution flush with cash and to keep various groups weak and easily controlled.

>>37127452
>1. It's usually motivated by religion which is dogshit
False equivalence.

>2. Sexual compatibility is an integral aspect of a relationship and it's fucking retarded to sign a contract linking yourself with another person without having some inkling about this.
>She is my dream girl and totally committed to me but her pussy might be fucked up so I insist she have sex with 50 men first!

>3. Marriage is foolish, and if you sign that contract as a man you're a retard. Enjoy having some roastie take half your stuff + alimony when she gets tired of you and wants to get her holes stuffed by the manager of a Sports Chalet
False equivalence again. Saving your virginity for marriage and saving it for "the one" are two separate things. In fact I'd go so far as to argue that if she wouldn't agree to stay by you forever without marriage she isn't the one.

>>37127536
Did people 200 years ago talk about "sexual compatibility"?

>>37127547
They absolutely are. Look what happens when you abandon them.

>>37127563
One more time for you literal perpetual virgins: Stop talking about lust and love as if you understand the first thing about it.

>>37127583
>Did people 200 years ago talk about "sexual compatibility"?
Well, actually most well off men had mistresses for the sole reason of sexual compatibility. Peasents didn't but their lives were also shit.

>>37127591
>i've ruined my brain with animal-tier mating behavior
>this makes my judgement better
lol ok

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The virgins around here don't understand how important sex is to a relationship. Finding someone who is sexually compatible with you is difficult but if not done will make for a shitty marriage.

Imagine waiting until you got married, finally have sex and your wife says "its not for me" and you either never have sex or have it maybe once a year and she is bitter about?

This is a common thing on both sides. Your libido has to match or be at least close or someone will be very unhappy.

Not everything is "roasties and chads are out to get me omg conspiracy"

>>37127626
>The virgins around here don't understand how important sex is to a relationship. Finding someone who is sexually compatible with you is difficult but if not done will make for a shitty marriage.
Yeah that must be why divorce rates are record high, because wives aren't taking enough dicks before marriage.

>>37127591
Basement-dwelling neckbeard virgins are obviously the most knowledgeable about relationships and sex.

>>37127591
And you're on fucking r9k on 4chan and you claim to have some kind of highground.
You don't.
Discuss this like an adult or fuck off.

>>37127626
you can always divorce her.
but you are right, nothing wrong with fucking if you are in a relationship.

>>37127648
The divorce rates are high because of the price of butter in Maine. Try to prove me wrong. You can't. The correlation is too strong to ignore.

>>37126892

I guess because it's a horrible idea.

>>37127678
Do you honestly not see a connection between being a slut before marriage and being a slut after marriage? It's the same goddamn woman.

>>37127691
It results in low divorce rates and stable families.

>>37127092
Go talk to people, and it's very clear that having sex with a virgin is more valued than having sex with a slut. Marrying a virgin is valuable in the sense that not only are you the first, but you'll be the only person to ever have sex with your wife.

Most people (even many sluts) know for a fact that it's better to be a virgin and then get married. The only difference is that people on 4chan don't participate as much in the social arena, so they tend to comment on it more. And many women encourage promiscuity, despite being the biggest "slut shamers" of all; because most women are now defiled, men who speak out against promiscuity will often be ganged up on by women. A common tactic by women, when confronted by something that makes them look bad is to.

>First: Downplay it.
>Second: Make themselves look like the real victims.
>Third: Attack the target, so they have to ponder their own faults, and lose social standing.

>John: I hate how women go sleeping with a bunch of men, instead of getting married and having a healthy family.
>Mary: It's not a big deal. Why do people even care about virginity anyways? Having sex makes both people happy.
>John: I guess so. But it's still not fair to have men lose the benefit of a virgin wife, while women have only gotten more benefits in gender politics.
>Mary: The fault actually lies with the people who care about women being virgins. Do you know how horrible it is to have people look down on you, just because you do what men high five each other over?
>John: You wouldn't have to worry about that if you just stayed a virgin until you were 18. You know that a lot of wealthy men would come running at the snap of a finger if you were a virgin?
>Mary: Stop making this about me. The problem is obviously that you're too insecure, and know you aren't good enough for an empowered woman. I bet you're a virgin loser.

>>37127239
Depends on which consequences you're talking about. How do you prevent the destruction of pair bonding abilities generated by casual sex? How do you prevent exclusion from the dating/mating market? Or is exclusion okay with you and in that case what's your rationale for dismissing that particular kind of suffering?

>If not, you are a moralist that is just trying to come up with ad hoc rationalization for his distaste of others lifestyles.
Again I'm not a moralist. I'm just saying that if you or your loved ones get hurt by the next Elliot, it will be a consequence of the reckless hedonism you love so much. In the same way, most criminals that might hurt you or those you care for are statistically very likely to come from single mother families, another consequence of the reckless hedonism you advocate for.

If you find nothing wrong with endless casual sex, it would make sense that you don't care for civilization (built upon marriage). You're either dionysian or apollonian. You can't have it both ways.

>>37127591
Judging by the number of normies calling me to cry about their love problems, I can assure you that normies don't have a single clue about what they're doing either.

>Stop talking about lust and love as if you understand the first thing about it.
Both have nothing to do with virginity anyway, anon.

>>37127626
My grandparents were all happy (and lived long) and didn't think like that. Some of my friends already divorced twice and they all thought they found their perfect partner. Your logic makes sense on paper. On paper only. Trying to find your soulmate by "trying out" a bunch of people doesn't seem to work out for most normies.

>>37126892
Because chastity and marriage along with having a partner are pretty admirable

Plus stats have as far as I've seen shown that a higher number of partners correlates with infidelity and other stuff

The whole partnering thing though and I guess it makes the marriage seem like more than just a party

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>>37127722
>Both have nothing to do with virginity anyway, anon.

>>37127626
Her fucking a lot of dudes..and other things will not make her a better wife or partner.

I mean damn. How many women who think like you are married to the best fucks they've ever had? I know most men aren't. And if he wants to keep the peace then he'll have to lie about her being only an okay fuck.

Sex is not that important for a good marriage. I mean if my other wise amazing wife is a trash lay, is looking haggard and not taking care of herself and she's dried up like the sahara then I'd rather just bang technically legal girls and escorts on the sly and be the perfect hubby to her rather then simply divorce her.

That's awful.

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>>37127626
>>37127671
I don't want to divorce and will spend all the time I need to find the right woman to make sure that doesn't happen.

This is why I it's so important to have sex before marriage, 2bh it's a red flag if they won't.

>>37127722
Thats your grandparents. They grew up in a different time with less ways to communicate with people and an overall more conservative world. You can bitch about the current states of things or you can best prepare/adapt yourself
for how things are now.

This board points out the worst in women. They all aren't nearly as bad as /r9k/ makes them out to be.

>>37126892
Damn, I just love poon. Who else /poonlover/ here?

>>37126892
because of college and its effect on them.
back when college were mainly mens schools, this wasnt an issue

Because it's something that no one would ever do unless they were lied to and pressured.

>>37127718
This hyper-individualistic approach fails because it naturally creates a feminized society. Men need to have children and a wife, it's hardwired into their being. So when the state gives women the financial support they need, and essentially gives them total control over the relationship, (which is generally something men are supposed to control) men who act in self-interest will obviously capitulate. Suddenly instead of pushing for something better, like having pure virtuous women raise the next generation of children. We are told to accept nagging sluts, who only chose to settle down because they got tired of putting effort into looking good, and keep getting into fights at work.

Instead the approach taken must be one that acts in the interests of the nation: We must ask "What is better for us?" It is obvious that stable families raise better children, and it is obvious that promiscuity increases divorce rates. Therefore we have a moral, religious, and most of all a Pragmatic reason for women to be virgins until marriage, and to retain healthy traditional values.

>>37127415
when they continue primiscious acts its just because they want the feeling of losing their virginity again. cant be done, they are unwhole.

>>37127795
>it is obvious that promiscuity increases divorce rates
It's actually not obvious in any way. Unless your standards for scientific evidence are on par with intelligent design proponents or Charles Murray.

>>37127752
>virgins don't experience lust and love
You're not making sense, anon.

>>37127775
>Thats your grandparents. They grew up in a different time with less ways to communicate with people and an overall more conservative world
I'm just seeing what I see, anon. The contrast between my grandparents and my friends is obvious. You think that having no restrain and blindly following your impulses is the path to happiness. Maybe it's not the case? Maybe trying to make things work instead of discarding someone when the novelty wears off or when they're flawed in some way isn't the the best way of doing things?

>>37127826
>they want the feeling of losing their virginity again
lolno
Sex is lovely when it's good. It's usually not good the first time you do it. If it always felt like it did the first time, women would be a lot less interested in it.

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>>37126892
>Why does our society hate the idea of saving your virginity for marriage so much?

The Jew knows that saving yourself for marriage creates stable relationships, stable families, and a stable society.

The Jew doesn't want us to have those things.

>>37126892
There are still more than enough girl around that want to wait until they are married. I had to turn down one of them when I was 20 (she was 22) because I wanted to have sex and not wait for years to get to do it. Just settle for one of those girls, if this shit is so important to you.

>>37127841
>Charles Murray
Nice job outing yourself as an anti-scientific shitlib. Your feelings don't determine what is fact.

>>37127092
if that is true why are chad not marrying the town bikes and instead replacing them with a different town bike? betas don't want them and chads throws them away like a cum tissue.

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>>37127756
>Her fucking a lot of dudes..
Thats not what I said

>How many women who think like you are married to the best fucks they've ever had?

Thats also not what I said

For me personally I don't want someone with a high partner count but I also don't want a virgin. I want someone who knows what they want. Most people have sex with between 3-12 people in their life and that is perfectly reasonable. I'm not insecure so I could care less if I'm her best fuck. I'm looking for sexual compatibility for the long term and want someone with the same mindset.

>>37127854
I didn't say blindly go out and fuck to your heart's content. I'm saying that virginity and abstaining from sex before marriage does not work for a lot of people and listed valid points.

You have to accept that what worked for people several generations ago will not always work in today's society.

>>37127891
There is a slight difference between town-bike and non-virgin, brainlet.

>>37127879
Let me guess, you met them by just being yourself?

>>37127694
The problem is your definition of "slut" which is, any girl who has had sex with someone who is not you.

>>37127883
Quite accurate, they don't. But neither do yours.

>>37127933
Who else would I be?

>>37127879
>just like, do what you want, man
>dont tell me what to do though
>every man for himself
Fucking
Degenerate

>>37127718
>Says go talk to people
>Is obvious he has never talked to people

Regurgitating memes of angry manchildren virgins is not talking to people.

>>37127960
>freedom is a bad thing

Are you literally retarded?

>>37127934
Having sex outside of marriage makes you a slut.

>>37127783
I love poon. I'm glad I realized how stupid it was to be a robot waiting for his qt virgin waifu and changed into a Chad.

>>37127841

It just makes you look stupid to deny that. You could at least be upfront and say that you think there's nothing wrong or harmful about divorce.

>>37126892
because people just want to fuck and dont care about traditions or morality

>>37127980
Why would that make me retarded? If you think freedom is the highest virtue, you probably have no other virtues left.

>>37127907
>You have to accept that what worked for people several generations ago will not always work in today's society.
You have to accept that the modern way of doing things might not work at all in the long term.

>>37127980
Freedom is a buzzword, anon. You are free to be a slave to your base impulses, usually that's what it means. Where does that lead you?

>>37127934
No, a slut is any woman who's slept around outside of marriage you fucking beta faggot. If she slept around out of marriage, she'll sleep around in marriage.

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>>37127841
I appreciate the fedora tipping, and insults, reddit. But you've gotta accept the facts.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2003.00444.x/abstract

>>37128012
>Where does that lead you?

To happy relationships with women?

>>37126892
People respect you if you voluntarily refuse. Also you have to remember this is all based on peer pressure. If they lost their virginity before marriage they assume this is the normal behavior of society. They will naturally mock those who want to do it but are unable to like some robots of this board.

>>37127986
No, only autistic manchildren virgins like you think so.

>>37128027
For a few people, for now, possibly but increasingly less so.

>>37128012
>therefore this metaphorical slavery should be replaced by actual slavery

>>37128014
No girl will ever have sex with you so your point is moot. Even so, a virgin will cheat on you just the same.

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>>37127934
>>37127986
>>37128014
The people here unironically believe this shit. This is why most of you are fucked.

Only the most sour of grapes

>>37128032
As your degenerate behavior continues, it will produce more autistic manchild virgins. Eventually they will legislate your behavior out of existence.

>>37127994
It makes you look stupid to claim it makes me look stupid. Seriously, try looking into it critically sometime. If you have the education.

>>37127626
>Imagine waiting until you got married, finally have sex and your wife says "its not for me" and you either never have sex or have it maybe once a year and she is bitter about?

Imagine if her vagina had teeth and it bit your penis off!

Oh nooooo!

The majority of people have libidos that will overlap to some extent.
Our degenerate culture has elevated sexual gratification to the level of life's highest pursuits, so much so that it not being totally fulfilled is considered a tragedy.

It's ridiculous.
So you don't get to rub your genitals on your otherwise great partner as often as you'd like?
Big fucking deal.
There's far more meaningful things behind marriage than OOGA BOOGA MUH DICK

>>37128067
>someone posts an opinion that would be commonplace 100 years ago
>"this deserves a picture of a horrified anime girl"
so progressive and tolerant
stunning and brave

>>37128089

Just be honest and say you don't care. Do you seriously expect anyone to not see through you?

Ok so imagine your wife decides she doesn't like sex and you end up shagging on Christmas and your birthday excluaively. Or imagine she's really bad at it. Wouldn't you want to know beforehand? Sex matters more than you think in relationships.

Also works both ways. Imagine you're a bad fuck. A premature ejaculator. She wants to know.

Also saving yourself for marriage is some white paleo con Christian crap. I immediately judge you if I hear that crap. Basing your future enjoyment on a fear of God or some stupid crap like that. Rea-fucking-lly?

Sometimes I wonder if you guys can even survive in the real world.

>>37128095
>not being totally fulfilled

I've been in relationships in which our sex life made me want to kill myself. You don't even seem to get how frigid some women are. If the girl that you love seem to be disgusted by your dick, you won't stay happy for long.

>>37128127
>Or imagine she's really bad at it.
>"Sorry dear, I love everything else about you but you just don't tickle my penis the right way, so bye."
You're filth.

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>>37126892
>>37126892
>Why does our society hate the idea of saving your virginity for marriage so much?
the jews literally did this

destroying the fabric of western society one whore at a time

>>37128099
>believes the same shit they believed 100 years ago
>thinks hes normal and better than everyone for it

Yeah and they died of polio, tuberculosis or even common colds before they even were 40 back then too. I hope you follow their example you fucking faggot.

>>37128027
To mindless casual sex maybe? Happy relationships are built on sacrifice and self restraint. "Freedom" as liberals want it in the domain of relationships is no different than binging on fast food. It feels very good short term, for sure. Mistaking it for happiness is a bit sad and kind of dangerous.

>>37128046
But anon, you are free. To be an actual slave to your passions.

It puts a premium on virgins and roasties can't handle that.

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>>37128095
Sex is important to a lot of people. If you don't think it is good for you. To me it is important to have a fulfilling sex life with my partner til I am at least mid-life.

>>37128157
This. I think some people can't imagine this happening so they refuse to empathize. It's awful.

>>37128127
Saving myself for marriage is the best thing I ever did. My wife and I get to have passionate sex knowing we're the only person the other has ever had sex with, and it's a fucking amazing, satisfying, and comforting feeling. Next time you're done fucking your gf and she rolls over and mumbles "Tyrone/Chad was bigger," you'll think back on this post and wonder if things could have been different if you weren't so focused on being le atheist.

>>37128160
See
>>37128157

Really. You watch too much porn if you think all women fuck good. The real question is why are you guys so insecure?

>>37128209
>Sex is important to a lot of people. If you don't think it is good for you. To me it is important to have a fulfilling sex life with my partner til I am at least mid-life.

I know you feel that way, as you are a product of this society, which is in turn a product of kikes.

>>37128127
I can't wait until I can shoot people like you right in the fucking head.

Dude, I like a girl with experience.

>>37128214
My wife was a virgin. We just didnt wait and rush a marriage so we could fuck because were self righteous insecure retards.

>>37128239
>The real question is why are you guys so insecure?

>haha I almost had to face up to my degeneracy but... ABRACADABRA! I socially shame you! This means I am right and you are wrong!

>>37128127

Normalizing sex before marriage is some white western secular crap.

There are places on Earth other than Europe and North America, you know.

>>37128242
How does it feel to be 18 or a neckbeard? Cause thats some angsty /Pol/ culture shit right now.

>>37128256
>I can't wait until I can shoot people like you right in the fucking head.

Retarded virgin has violent power fantasies. Color me surprised.

>>37128209
>If you don't think it is good for you.
Nah, this shit isn't gonna fly any longer. People aren't going to let you piss in the swimming pool because "hey man, I'm just doing what works for me". What works for you is what fucks everyone else, and eventually those people are going to get fed up with you.

>>37128286
>How does it feel to be 18 or a neckbeard?
see >>37128280

>>37128262

You're not planning on getting married or having kids.

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>>37128189
>>37128069
>>37128095
>>37128012
>>37128242
lmao /pol/ is leaking more than usual lately


>>37128256

underaged please leave
>>37128239
>The real question is why are you guys so insecure?
This is what this thread comes down to

>>37128281
Yeah. And theyre monkeys who sell their daughters to rich oil magnates when theyre young or let a voodoo doctor rape them when theyre young. If they dont excise them first. How fucking retarded can you get to justify your insecurity?

>>37128311
>hehe, if I call them insecure and /pol/, it means I win the argument!

>>37127718
>Go talk to people, and it's very clear that having sex with a virgin is more valued than having sex with a slut
Sex with virgin girls sucks, it is always a whole load of trying to be kind and gentle while inside only wanting to jam it in. It is nice when you see her pain turn to pleasure for the first time, but I rather have a girl who knows sex and wants it instead of one who is skittish, scared and worried about doing anything wrong.
Anytime I had relationships with a virgin I was glad that first time was done with and we that could really get started with banging.

The only things you get from it is the egoboost of being her first and probably being her comparison measure. Not even that last might hold true when she sluts around enough afterward.
If you want to go for some mythical lifelong relationship good luck on it and I hope you find yourself a virgin. But do not try to tell me me what I value in bed.
The only things I dislike about sluts is potential ex-bf trouble looming, and after some point they'll have practically no subconscious loyalty for a monogamous relationship left aside, and you'll have to trust their reason only for it.
But it is not like any virgin you claim will have some magical spell chaining them to you or warding her from the 'Hey, lets go be clubsluts tonight' friends either.

>>37128311

Serious question for you: do you honestly expect modern Western culture to last beyond the end of this century?

>I'll be dead so it doesn't matter, man.

I just want your opinion.

>>37128327
>If I call them insecure, I win!

>>37128349
Not him but culture isn't something that lasts. It's changing constantly.

>>37128327

Those "monkeys" will replace people who share your values. They have a future, you don't.

>>37128330
lol whats the argument? People shouldn't enjoy sex?

>>37128349
If you think people having sex will lead to the downfall of society I can't even argue with you. Life will move on because people will adapt. Change is scary I know.

I dont have a thing against it, but having more sexual partners decreases your chances of happy marriage.

the numbers are there, just google them

>>37128346
>Sex with virgin girls sucks, it is always a whole load of trying to be kind and gentle while inside only wanting to jam it in.

How horrid it must be to have to suppress your urges to act like an animal.

>>37128353
>im insecure and I dont want to think about it or better myself so ill just follow neckbeards virgins advice on a Malaysian basket weaving forum.

Ftfy. Now if youre done giving yous to everyone calling you out on your retardness we can have a civilized conversation.

>>37128380
>dude culture is like, amorphous, man
>likeee... anything you dooo... is culture
>woooah
Fuck off.

>>37128380

You dodged the question. I want a real answer.

Purity and chastity are godly values and as most people in the west are godless and hedonistic, even being around people who hold godly ideals shines the light on their own degeneracy and makes them feel insecure and guilty. So, they shame and minimize godly ideas and people who espouse them

>>37128411
The fuck am I insecure about? I see a problem and I point it out. What's insecure about that?

>>37128413
I didn't. If you think culture is a static entity, then you simply don't know what you're talking about.

>>37128430
White western culture can change but still be distinctly white and western. You are dodging his question.

>>37128383
What? Hahahaha. Are you even capable of thinking for yourself anymore or did da j00s take that from you too?

>>37128384
>lol whats the argument? People shouldn't enjoy sex?

That sexual gratification is not the purpose of life.
That the idea that we should find a partner who is "sexually compatible" with us if we want a good marriage encourages behaviour (having many sexual partners) that sabotages the chances of having a stable marriage.

>>37128409
Yep, luckily it doesn't need to be done after the first time.

>>37128447
>TL note: "thinking for yourself" means "reciting postmodernist dogma"

>>37128418

Moral values don't derive from some higher power, but religions (especially Abrahamic ones) proliferated because they inculcated morality in their adherents.

>>37127960
I've never understood the tendency for people deeply entrenched in certain beliefs to insult non-believers with words that only matter if you believe the same thing as them.

It's like a muslim calling me an infidel and expecting me to give a shit.

>>37128475
>Moral values don't derive from some higher power
I disagree

>>37128430

>lol I'll rationalize away the entire concept of cultural continuity just to not look stupid online

What a joke you are. Can you even confront the question in your own mind?

>>37128481
>haha why should i react to a human expressing disdain for me if i'm completely detached from civil society!
>checkmate trads
You're making my argument.

>>37128481
Atheists shame believers too. That's why it's pointless to even engage in a debate on moral issues with people who have different world views.

>>37128473
Yeah sure, buddy. If that makes you feel better. But we both know it doesnt. So ill let you 'win' by leaving since it looks like you really need that... but deep inside you know blaming boogeymen for your shortcomings isnt helping.

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>>37128468
Then what exactly is the purpose to life? Would love to hear this.

For me this is logically the best way to select a long term partner and it worked for me. I don't know what the numbers are and I don't care. If people are bad at selecting a mate that is their own problem that they need to adapt to fix.

>>37128411
>hehe, I'll call him insecure again

Maybe I am a little insecure.
It seems perfectly reasonable to feel insecure about the idea that an otherwise perfect relationship might be thrown away because we don't make each other's genitals tingle exactly how we would like.

>>37128490

Cavemen didn't like thots either, bro.

>>37128523
>"I lost the argument so I'll talk condescendingly as I leave to save face while simultaneously avoiding any obligation to respond further"
Every fucking time.

>>37128537
You have no idea what cavemen liked or didn't like.

There's no point arguing with people whose worldview instantly invalidates whatever your argument is.

I've largely given up on trying to convince people of things, I'm just looking forward to when we are able to kill or imprison them.

>>37128566
>history is impossible

>>37128523
>your shortcomings

>hehe, what a neckbeard! Isn't it weird how I'm always right?

>>37128418
Funny enough, the shiny godrays of their ideals is nothing anyone gives a wet shit about. Their continuous nagging and whining about how they want to decide how others should live is what gets them hated and ostracized.

>>37128530
OH NO THE HYMEN IS GONE THIS WOMAN IS RUINED.

Textbook insecurity. Have fun finding a perfect virgin, fucking her after a rushed wedding then when shit goes down after 3-4 years, after she ends up still cheating on you because you're terribly insecure maybe you'll start thinking about working on yourself.

>>37128515
Why should I be offended by a term that has no bearing to how I work and has increasingly less bearing on how society works. Being "degenerate" is a nebulous term that can describe a wide variety of things, like drinking, or cursing, or smoking. It's meaningless in actual discussion because its worth is completely defined by the person slinging the word.

The consequences of being a degenerate are also completely nebulous. As though not being completely tight laced and strict about how one engages in pleasure will make you devolve into an inoperable leech on society. In reality many people, from inventors to millionaires, have had sex outside of marriage. Stephen Hawking drank and fucked in college before he got slapped into the wheelchair.

Life isn't a D.A.R.E commercial, having sex outside of marriage won't doom you to a life of dissatisfaction and self loathing.

>>37128447

Please tell me when you expect modern secular Westerners to acquire a fertility rate >2.1 and/or when you expect Africans and West Asians to acquire a fertility rate <2.1.

>>37128589
At this point I''m going to assume you're trolling.

I mean, there are people who genuinely believe the garbage you write, but they'd be too offended by this board to post here.

>>37128589
Observing reality is insecurity? Thousands of generations of men who valued virginity were just insecure? Really?

>>37128566

>anthropology and psychology aren't even real

>>37128609
Could it be because they all fuck before marriage? Even Jesus' mother did that you retard.

I really hope that most of the guys in this thread are still young teens.

>>37128624
This isn't your /pol/ safespace, you fucking retard.

>>37128602
>Being "degenerate" is a nebulous term that can describe a wide variety of things, like drinking, or cursing, or smoking.
Why yes, you're ri
>It's meaningless
what

>>37128589

"Oh golly gee! People MUST be sexually experienced or they cannot have me"

You've got the same insecurity as him desu you fag.

>>37126892
It's a male imposition to begin with
Women now want to be free to go full Darwin
Some kikes can probably make money off this total collapse

>>37128586
>Funny enough, the shiny godrays of their ideals is nothing anyone gives a wet shit about.
Of course they don't. Because they're people who care about nothing but what suits them. It's why rates of teen pregnancy (and single motherhood), divorce, and suicide have increased and gender relations have all but imploded in the west.

>>37126934
statistic say something else you nigger

>>37128666
>hehe, I said "/pol/" again!

>>37128686
Most guys sleep around more than the average woman.

>>37128676
Nah mate. All I said is let me try the goods before I even think of waiting 2 years only to find out shes a starfish in bed.

>>37128699
Yes - it isn't /pol/. not everyone here is a traditional conservative.

>>37128589


Yeah, better to find a woman who's had a dozen boyfriends and twice as many one night stands and fuckbuddies, surely that will lead to a stable and lasting marriage...

>>37128702
Unless there are a whole lot of unaccounted-for faggots, the mean should be the same for both genders. The MEDIAN number of partners, however, is higher for women.

>>37127991
Glad to see that I'm not the only one in here. How people can obsess over stupid shit, while perfect poon is available everywhere in the summer, is beyond me.

>>37128675
You should generally avoid nebulous words in a discussion because it can have different worth, meaning, and value between different people. Degenerate especially can have different definitions based on the culture you're coming from.

>>37128689
>teen pregnancy
At least get some recent food for your bullshit mill, teen pregnancies number are way down.

>>37128752
We effectively have the same culture, and you understood what I meant. Your point is purely academic.

>>37128659

Could you tell me when, please? Obviously you have great insight in this mattter and have given it a great deal of thought.

>>37128748
No, the numbers of the girls are exaggerated because of a small number of huge sluts that sleep with everyone in their town. Meanwhile, most men have similar numbers of exes.

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>>37128468
The problem isn't really that people are having a lot of sex with a lot of different people, it's the culture and way of living associated with premarital sex. For example look in the music industry. Do you know how often 12 or even 10 year old kids are exposed to artists blathering on about "fucking bitches". I am entirely sure this is a big factor in contributing to ghetto culture nowadays. I'm not saying sex should be banned until marriage but people should at least try to reduce the amount of partners they have in their youth.

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Women are already the more selective of the two genders.

>Median number of opposite-sex partners in lifetime among U.S. men and women aged 25-44 years of age is 6.6 for men and 4.3 for women. (National Center for Health Statistics, 2015)

BUT ROASTIES ARE THE PROBLEM THEY SLEEP AROUND TOO MUCH

this proves that robots are just bitter women will not sleep with them.

>>37128810
>this proves that robots are just bitter women will not sleep with them.
Society better find some way to resolve this, then. Bitter young men are dangerous.

>>37128810
>Implying women will ever admit how many guys they've actually slept with even in an anonymous study or survey
You are so naive it hurts. Get to know some people.

>>37128826
>others should fix me!!

Go out and find a gf yourself.

>>37128826

Yea it's called videogames and internet porn boyo. Nothing will ever happen, until it's all over.

>>37128844
>The numbers are true if they are in favor of my argument.
>They aren't if they favor yours.

Hm...

>>37128776
If it arranges you to believe in magical conception instead of truth, that she was a wrench who fucked her husband before marriage and made a lie up to cover it. Disregard the fact that even then they didnt believe it and ran them out of town.

>>37128853
If a problem stays un-fixed, things break.

>>37128889
What problem? Most guys --even the introverts-- sooner or later get a gf.

>>37128878

Are you the type of person who shrieks about slut shaming but then denies that women have any incentive to conceal or downplay their sexual history?

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>>37128810
>not looking at the young generation in isolation
>averages
>self report study
into the trash it goes

>>37127524
"unless she has a dick, you're sexually compatible"

spoken like a true virgin.

>>37128878
>The numbers are true if they are in favor of my argument.
>They aren't if they favor yours.
>THAT PROJECTION

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>>37128921
see >>37128878

really makes them think

orig e

>>37128952
>hurr durr better not adress any of the criticism
What do the SELF REPORTED averages of all generations tell us about the ACTUAL numbers of the young generation?

Every promiscuity-apologist in this thread sounds like a meat-eater in a vegan thread. Putting up a facade of conviction but you can tell that deep down they just don't care.

>>37126892
This thread shows why shaming male virgins is extremely important. So many of the posters in here really need to get laid...

>>37129029
considering that there is no actual victim of promiscuity, your analogy is shit

>>37129029
But some people that have eaten meat-curtains before are still virgins.

>>37126892
I don't care what society wants, some it has largely abandoned me.

My personal desire is a virgin, since I'm a virgin. This limits the pool of potential mates largely which makes my life easier, because I no longer list after every girl I see. I will likely die alone, which is fine, because I choose to stay alive and therefore accept every consequence of being alive.

>>37129081
The easiest way of scoring a virgin is getting some practice with a non-virgin first.

>>37129075

>if I was right, you'd be wrong

But of course you are completely right. After all, fatherless children are well known to be the happiest and most successful members of society.

>>37127400
You can talk about your kinks and see each other naked without having sex. Problem solved.

>>37129202
I don't mean this in the mematic offensive way but are you on the spectrum by any chance?

>>37129128
I will feel like a hypocrite demanding a virgin if I am not a virgin myself.

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>>37129081
>>37129247
If you are out of high school you will not find a virgin female. Slim chance in uni but too slim to count on in any way.

Remember the average person has sex in high school or within a year of two of it

>>37129322
thats because females try so hard to be accepted and to fit in that their first sexual experiences usually involve lots of alcohol and drugs, they cant even remember their first time until someone tells them who they fucked.

The problem here isnt with sex, but bad parenting as always. How hard is it to engage your children with good experiences.

>>37129322
cool even more reason to give up on dating. no point in trying when girls are sloppy seconds and leftovers.

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>>37126892
NOTHING IN THE WORLD FEELS BETTER THAN HAVING SEX WITH YOUR TRUE LOVE

SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE

YOU DONT NEED KINKS, OR WEIRD SHIT

YOU WILL CUM ALL DAY EVERY DAY WITH THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE

>>37126892
Cuz society is dumb and females dont wanna stop being easy lay whores.

Pity since most females dont understand or choose to ignore the higher the cock count the lower her ability to pair bond and be happy overall. Females are literally fucking themselves into miserable people by age 30+

>>37127305

He would answer he much rather her virginity intact. No man actually goes out looking for whores unless he has a cuck fetish.

>>37129389
Girls lose their virginity later than guys and have less partners than them in life. Somehow you people still find a way to paint them us the deplorables. It's fascinating.

>>37129505
Must be nice living in Oppositeville. Most of us are stuck here in the real world.

Imagine a woman whose Skein's glands generate bile.

Imagine a woman who squirts vomit.

>>37129505
uhh.... wow today in bizzaro world some chick tried to claim guys get laid more and girls put out last.

bahahahahahahaha

wow cupcake the lies you tell yourself daily.


the reality you dont live in is that girls put out younger and they also get laid alot more in life. A girl just basically shows up and can get dick. a guy has to dance like a good jester monkey and all that shit and maybe he gets laid. Unless he's got chad status in looks.


Now just because you and your friends are too ugly to get laid more than guys doesnt make it the reality for the rest of the world.

move along now fuggo

>>37129624
The pic you posted suggests the age thing. Evidence for the total number of partners has also been posted in this thread.

>>37129624
not him but look at the kinsey study.

>>37129322
someone posted part of it

might want to look things up before you try and shit on them

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>>37129505
THAT is only because young girls always seek out older guys, because OLDER guys want younger more easily manipulated females to fuck.

Stop being a beta cuck. pic related

>>37126892
Couples that lose their virginity at marriage tend to be more happy than people who have had more than one sex partner.

>>37129322
Yeah if you look at the entire female population as an aggregate. You can find smaller populations where your chances of finding a virgin are exponentially higher. Look in rigorous academic environments like a premed or engineering program, or a religious community, or just move to Japan. Something like ~40% of Japanese millennial females are still virgin.

My moms ultra Christian friend told me I should bang as many people as possible in my twenties.