Anyone else /buddhist/? When I hit my 24th birthday with my virginity

Then why are you still here ?

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>>37080522
Force of habit, mostly. Used to be on here all day every day. I still find it interesting.

>>37080468
Buddhism is a meme but living an ascetic monks lifestyle isn't

I feel like I've failed the path too many times to even try anymore.

Filth is all I am.

>>37080802
In dharma talk, reincarnation is a metaphor. You are reborn with every decision. It is never too late.

>>37080556
>bhuddism
>enjoys r9k, the most hedonistic, endorphin-filled, novelty-driven site

r9k is pretty equivalent to porn in terms of overstimulated. It's not a habit you're addicted i.e. attached. Try again bro.

>>37080890
I'm an imperfect being and that's ok

>>37080468
You're living a happy life on /r9k/?
Sure.

>>37080468

You're a pussy with no will to power.

>>37080890
This is true. At the start of this year I stopped /r9k/, stopped going on the computer full-stop. I became a different person. Things were becoming good for me, for my mind and body.

At some point, I started again, now my studies have gone to shit, I fap like twice a day and I've never been so mentally ill. This place is absolute poison. The internet, in general, is like quicksand.

>>37080977
Power is a pyramid scheme, how blind you have to be to partake.

>>37080977
I don't know about that. I make quite a bit of money as a machinist and I'll have my own body shop running within a year.

>>37081012

You even have a skewed definition of power. I expected this of someone whose religion is weakness.

>>37081026

That's not will to power. Will to power is hate, envy and greed. Without those, everyone will stomp you into the ground, and you will deserve it.

>>37081064
I'm having trouble comprehending why you'd want those emotions. Sounds like a miserable way to live your life. I live quietly and within my means and am doing well. Nobody "stomps me into the ground" because I have no use for conflict and actively avoid it, and it's worked for me.

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>virgin
>slave to hedonism
Kek, I'm sure you led a life full of pleasure.

>>37081137

They exist for me to satisfy them.

>>37081169

I'm not going to justify myself before you. But feel free giving up to hardships. Less competition for me.

>>37081137

Oh,and actively avoiding conflicts is a sign of weakness. I can already see you shrinking away from an aggressive man.

>>37081064
>Will to power is hate, envy and greed
Dude, those are literal untermench emotions.

>>37081241

Your fancy word has brought nothing to me. My emotions, on the other hand, reward me for achieving my desires.

>>37081279
Hate, envy and greed are emotions that the outside world causes in you. If you are overwhelmed by them, you are just reacting to outside powers, not creating your own.

>>37081332

Power exists in context. It is relative. No shitting I'm reacting to the outside world. I need it to enforce my will somehow. You, on the other hand, escape it and thus have nowhere to exact your will but the prison of your own mind.

>>37081412
But you don't need outside world to enforce your will (not OP, btw).

>>37081493

Do you mean, like, a fantasy? Those have never been real enough for me.

>>37080468
I hope you're still here anon. I've been interested in buddhism for a while but there are just a couple of things I can't really justify to myself, mainly the reincarnation thing, the idea of karma potentially being used to blame a victim ("your life is shit/you're dumb because you were bad in a previous life") and I guess the idea that our consciousness is more than just a bunch of electric going on in our brainboxes.

If it isn't too much trouble, could you explain how those things work, in the simplest terms you can?

Other than those things though, it seems like a very practical religion/philosophy, although I've mainly been looking into Theravada Buddhism.

>>37083022
Just to quickly expand upon this stuff, I guess I can only "get" reincarnation in a metaphorical way (when we die, our bodies feed the ground, which feeds the plants which feed the wildlife), or in the "we are being reborn every moment" kind of way. In terms of karma, I wouldn't like the idea of someone's misfortune being blamed on their actions in some past life. As for the other thing, I don't think people really know how consciousness works, although I kind of look at it like RAM in a computer; if you turn the computer off, after about a minute whatever was in RAM is going to be gone, even when you get the computer on and running again.

I guess what I'm wondering is, is there any way to reconcile these viewpoints with buddhist philosophy and not feel like a "fraud" as I'm trying to observe the five precepts?

>>37083022
Karma only works like you stated for an awakened soul, which is still quite a lot of people. For others, their circumstances and sufferings are purely random. For example, take the primitive tribal african, this soul is barely above that of an animal, therefor the laws of karma do not take hold. The soul experiences many things in incarnation until it reaches a point of independence, at which point experiences are given to it that will balance its perspective. So now, if that soul has hurt many people, it must experience being hurt, in order to balance its perspective and attain greater awareness. As for other sufferings, these are indeed self-chosen conditions which the soul, outside of incarnation, chooses for itself, knowing the world to be but illusion. These are chosen so that the soul may have greater opportunity to learn that which is needed. Of course, not every little thing is pre-ordained in this chaotic material world, and random trauma and malfunctions are still very common.

This is the basic rundown. I'm not OP.

>>37083022
"It is their karma to suffer. And it is our dharma to help." - Amma

I've been reading an eclectic mix of Buddhist, Zen, and Hindu stuff. I've been reading it as openly as I can and I started practicing meditation and an assortment of yoga's to "ground my practice" as it was described. I really like taking the philosophy's from their metaphorical perspectives but I do feel strange practicing without believing. Overall I feel healthier and have a bit more motivation to fix my life. This is the first time on /r9k/ in a few days even though I've been studying on the internet. I never used to have that willpower to avoid popping over "for a minute."
Looks like I've lapsed though as I've been here over an hour already when I should be practicing.
I do have a goal I'd like to reach by this winter though; I'd like to be able to put myself in the Urdhva Padmasana Asana and hold. I think it's a fair goal but I think my time limit may be a bit too soon. We will see if I can develop enough core strength and balance in time.

>>37080468
for me Buddhism was a stepping stone to Taoism. But it's all good stuff really

DUDE JUST IGNORE SHIT LMAO

>>37083022
Karma is only invoked as a tool to help you see past others suffering, maybe you can deal with your own lot in life, but a baby or dog dying for no reason really stirs up those emotions. Sympathy is after all, greater than pain.

Karma isn't something fundamental to Buddhism as far as I understand. It was a concept already existing in Indian culture in Hinduism too. If you focus on that I think you are missing the point.

Buddhism is about giving up striving. This board is nothing but striving.

>>37084660
For me I just take the meditation and disregard everything else. Maybe read up on it if you want to, it certainly put it in perspective to me but I still don't believe in the kooky shit.
https://alwell.gitbooks.io/abhidhamma_in_daily_life/content/preface.html

>>37084840
Thank you, I'll give your link a read. Would you like links to some of what I have been reading?

I'm a bit more receptive to the idea of different meditations doing different things depending on the type. That's why I like to read the more "esoteric" stuff.

>>37084817
But buddha could have chosen to disregard it if he didn't think it was worth something. And the end result is the same, I think some english historian wrote something to the tune of 'give an indian his opium and he will be content to ignore anything else'.

>>37084864
Sure.
I've also seen Aleister Crowley's writings on meditation recommended in case you want to break through a "plateau" while meditating, I have the pdf but I haven't had the time to find out for myself.

>>37084895
He more or less did disregard it didn't he? There's nothing about it in the four noble truths. It has nothing to do with meditation practice in either Theravada or Zen.

>>37084895
http://www.dlshq.org/download/kundalini.htm

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/nanamoli/PathofPurification2011.pdf

Here's two of the bigger more authoritative books I'm working through. I've read a bit about Crowley's sex magick and put it away rather quickly. Do you have the title of his writings? I think that might be an interesting read later on.

>>37084952
No? Karma is fundamental to buddhism. It is basically described as cause and effect.

>>37084965
Aleister Crowley - Magick (Liber ABA, Book 4)

>>37084985
Thanks for the books, anon.

If you get kicks out of the stranger practices you should really read that first link because it goes into ritual cleaning for a yogi among other things. For example swallowing long cloth and pulling it back out or ritualistic enemas with rods of bamboo.

>>37080468
What all did you do and learn to go full monk?

>>37085017
I'm already acquainted with those practices because I was born and raised in india. Just be thankful you haven't seen a video of a yogi tying his cock and balls around a stick and rotating it, on discovery of all channels.

>>37080989
This is extremely true. The internet is complete trash.

>>37085084
I've seen that a few times. Can you tell me why they would do that? Is there a reason or is it merely a display of mastery over their bodies?

Were you raised in a Hindu household then? If so do you believe in the principle deities literally or metaphorically?

>>37083022
thats reddit karma. Karma in buddhism is synonymous with causality. Its not something you can act on then except everything to go well. It's more like preparing things now so they have an influence on the future. i.e you floss and avoid sugary foods to reduce the chances of your teeth rotting. Or if your parents were shitheads and failed to raise you you'd basically have shit karma. Other things can't be avoided and will happen anyway.

Reincarnation mainly comes Jainaism, it was adopted to buddhism to describe the ups and downs we go through life (samsara), there are sects and interpretations where they say theres only a single life. Theres are scientific theories believe the universe repeats so you can't really say reincarnation is a myth.

>>37080989
>>37085108
Admitting it's a problem is the first step. I've tried blocking 4chan and other sites on my computer, but I end up browsing on my phone or unblocking it a day later. I avoided internet addiction for a long time so I can still remember what it was like to not own a smart phone and go days without using the internet.

>>37085148
Yeah, it's basically to show off.
I was raised in a hindu household but I never believed in any deities except ape rituals when I was young, for example knowledge is revered so whenever a book would fall down people you touch it to their foreheads, I didn't understand why people did that but I did it anyway up until the 7th grade when I read hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. I guess douglas adams really was a better anti-theist than dawkins.

>>37085171
>Or if your parents were shitheads and failed to raise you you'd basically have shit karma
This is wrong, nothing others do has an effect on your karma, and reincarnation was a thing before both buddhism and jainism from my understanding.

I simply can't practice detachment.

Buddhism teaches a distancing of one's self from worldly desires and passions in order to free one's self from suffering, and my path has led me down the opposite road, however unenlightened that may be. I ran away from home as a kid and found a lot of strength and freedom in my journey by being able to turn my heart to ice and cut myself off from all attachments, and I think that was an important step, but I don't think it'd be the right path for me to be on if I stayed free and detached.

I love the world and worldly things, and lately my development has been towards a fuller immersion in them. I don't want to be free from all suffering, and I think it's growth and a fuller sense of my place in the universe that makes me okay with a more complete surrender to the world and the conditions of it. I don't want to live a human life divorced from the experience of a human life. I don't know how well I know my higher self, but I don't need my self to be anything higher than the animal that I am, beholden to all that tiny creatures like myself are beholden to. I think that living flesh and all that it beholds and does is beautiful and worthwhile, and I've been led away from the sort of disdain for it that seems intrinsic to Buddhism. I think emotions and animal passions are beautiful and worthwhile, I think that there's as much enlightenment to be found for me in the music as in the silence. I don't want a state of being other than the raucous, colorful, sensual, passionate, screaming, tragic, triumphant, hopeful, despair-stricken, hormonal, orgasmic, agonizing, flesh-and-blood orgy of tears and laughter that I've got.

Everything I know in my heart to be important demands that I surrender myself to being humble and vulnerable in the face of the world around me, not that I run away from it.

>>37084770
This is a much more succinct way of phrasing my above post.

>>37085236
Interesting, no worse than western superstitions like knocking on wood to prevent what you said from jinxing you.

>>37085247
"A man walking across a field encounters a tiger. He fled, the tiger chasing after him. Coming to a cliff, he caught hold of a wild vine and swung himself over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Terrified, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger had come, waiting to eat him. Two mice, one white and one black, little by little began to gnaw away at the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine in one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!"

>>37085392
I appreciate you actually reading my post and replying with something thoughtful like this.

If I might be allowed to take a stab at the story, it seems to me like the man in the tree could be said to have a kind of detachment from the tigers waiting below, and that his ability to appreciate the sweetness of the strawberry might come from that detachment. If I'm correct, then in that light, maybe you're telling me that detachment and the freedom that comes with it don't necessarily entail a lack of appreciation for the goodness in the world, and might even enable a fuller appreciation than possible when one is beholden to passions.

Maybe you're right. I don't really know what my hangup is about detachment, and it's possible that what I've been calling detachment is just my own cowardice and disposition for running away from life. It's even possible that I might be able to practice a kind of detachment while still caring and appreciating deeply.

I don't know. In any case, thanks again for your response.

>>37085236
we're here talking to each other because of moot starting 4chan. He mainly did it because he liked anime, if it weren't for anime being imported to the west by obscure weeaboo gaijins in the 80's moot might have never built this website etc... thats karma

>>37085247
well you just described buddhism, it was never about avoiding and escaping reality. You've seemed to come into terms with the ups and downs of life and no longer react to them, thats detachment. Most people do react to their ups and downs, and have obsessions which take ahold of their lives, they no longer feel in control of themselves so thats what buddhism really is about, to get rid of those negative obsessions we have and adapting to the current reality.

>>37080468
I've been wanting to start but I don't know what books to read or people to do it with. Any suggestions on the former OP?

>>37085529
No what you described is causality. In buddhism, karma is more like casuality of your own actions and all the effects are focused on you.

>If one is hit by someone else, the pain one feels is not the result of the deed performed by the other person. The person who is being hit receives the result of a bad deed he performed himself. The other person's action is the proximate cause of his pain. As regards the other person who performs the bad deed, sooner or later he will receive the result of his own bad deed


>>37085557
Scroll through the thread, two online resource have already been posted.

>>37085508
That is a Zen story and, as such, not strictly Buddhism per se. The neat thing about Both Zen and Buddhism, however, is they both acknowledge that everyone must take a different path.

That is one way to interpret the story and it's not my place to interpret for you. But I do sympathize with the problems you describe as they are also mine and that story is one that has motivated me.

"Before Enlightenment chop wood, carry water. After Enlightenment chop wood and carry water."

>>37085644
when you do multiple bad deeds you raise the chances of other people not liking you and getting your ass kicked, thats what karma really means, its not superstitious like anon thought it was.

I don't know about it being pertaining to only you though, because in reality we're living in a network where we react to others deeds in some way.

>>37085771
>because in reality we're living in a network where we react to others deeds in some way
Yeah, that's causality.
Karma is used in a different context in buddhism and is not the same thing as causality. It's not hard to grasp.

Suiwo, the disciple of Hakuin, was a good teacher. During one summer seclusion period, a pupil came to him from a southern island of Japan.

Suiwo gave him the problem: "Hear the sound of one hand."

The pupil remained three years but could not pass this test. One night he came in tears to Suiwo. "I must return south in shame and embarrassment," he said, "for I cannot solve my problem."

"Wait one week more and meditate constantly," advised Suiwo. Still no enlightenment came to the pupil. "Try for another week," said Suiwo. The pupil obeyed, but in vain.

"Still another week." Yet this was of no avail. In despair the student begged to be released, but Suiwo requested another meditation of five days. They were without result. Then he said: "Meditate for three days longer, then if you fail to attain enlightenment, you had better kill yourself."

On the second day the pupil was enlightened.

>Zen monks confirmed shitposters

>>37080468
>Having to join a religion to keep the facade of being happy your a virgin
Jesus Anon I'm lonely at least I can admit it.

Some how not original

>>37085811
>11
dubs checked

that was some fresh prince level of shitpost

>>37085899
How would you know you were a virgin if no one had told you?

Has anyone here meditated and seen the 'void', the 'eternal', the 'nameless', the 'immeasurable'?

I did last summer when I realized nothing my thoughts have ever created had anything to do with 'the truth' that I was seeking.

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>>37086878
This. I realized that spiritual "attainment" was a fraud and a spook; there is no method of arriving where you already are.