>find Jesus >suddenly feel loved by God >stop caring

Delusion is an unsteady foundation.

Glad to hear that OP.

>>36938951
Jaded and bitter!

>stop caring about what others think of me because God will love me regardless
This is how niggers justify all the shit that they do

>>36938965
I am not bitter. I am simply poiting out that you will be fighting 'doubts' your entire life.
You are inhibiting the natural function of the mind, by clinging to delusion.

>>36939183
That's how faith works, and it works mighty fine.

>>36939297
That is how the mind works.

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>>36938931
>finds Jesus
>has to immediately start recruiting people
Rough job eh?

>>36938931
Where did you find a 2000 year old jewish carpenter?

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>>36938951
>>36939136
>>36939183
>>36939308
>>36939321
Butthurt faithless faggots wallowing in sin and misery want to proclaim their way of thinking is obviously better because they're too smart for God. Kys

>>36939392
Just saying if you find faith why not keep it between you and god hmm? there used to be monks that only spend their days in prayer and contemplation, occasionally writing some theological literature
So why now days every faithful has to recruit and convert others? seen it in plenty of middle-eastern and western religions, just let people find god on their own the church isn't going anywhere, when the disciple is ready the master will appear and all that

TLDR; Recruiting is bad, finding faith on your own is good
Live and let live

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>>36939183
Believing in something is far more stable than believing in nothing at all. There is great utility in having a system of belief with which to orient your decisions and it is certainly preferable to nihilism. People often devalue the Bible because of simple narrative inconsistencies and never put in the effort to find the meaning and importance of the stories which generally present messages of personal responsibility, something that the people on this board could potentially find very valuable even if they don't believe in God initially.

>>36939570
Or you could develop a natural moral compass and act on your instincts?
Unless the threat of hell is the only thing keeping you from being a sinner and a murderer

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>>36939392
>rapes
>murders
>steals

Only gawd can judge me!!

>>36939570
You will always be questioning the existence of Jesus and God. It is how our minds work. It break sdown ideas, question them, trying to reach the truth. The mind operates rationally. It does not matter to the mind if you 'feel Jesus', it will question this.
When you inhibit the mind, you create what is known as cognitive dissonance.

I'm open to the idea. How did you "find Jesus"?
I've tried many times but I just can't help but cringe at the thought, literally everyone I know being a fedoralord doesn't help.

>>36939392
you are not less sinful for "finding god" its just a defense mechanism for people like op

>>36939370
In my heart.
>>36939321
I'm just sharing anon.

>>36938931
I'm not even religious but fuck these faggots who wanna shit on you for finding meaning.

>>36939560
t. toxic individualist who doesn't understand the need to have a group based protocol in order to have meaningful experience

>>36939560
It's part of the faith to save others but I agree there's a lot of people that do too much like Mormons and alike.
>>36939602
Of course u wana believe that's what we do, so u can justify not believing to yourself. If u weren't an ass and actually read up on the shit you would know that statement is asinine for many reasons
>>36939743
Uhh yes I am because the biggest sin u could have next to murder and rape is denying Christ

Related video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIh1xQiuI8

5 min

>>36938931
Religion is the ultimate bluepill tbqhwy

>>36940003
t. fedora
have fun having nor morals

>>36940040
>I'm better than you because I follow a set of rules written down in a book

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>>36938931
Top Kek

Religion is a brace for the weak who aren't self sufficient who rely on selective intervention of "mysterious entities" (if they even exist at all) to help/motivate said person to do things they could already probably do them selfs and then give this entity praise

>TLDR religion is not only a business that takes money from the weak minded but a fucking meme

>>36940136
>and yet he's happy and you're sad

really makes u think hmm

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>>36940136
u sound really mad

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>Found Jesus
>Won't let anyone know where he is
People have been looking for that nigger in decades, OP.

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>>36940173
Don't think too hard or you might question God which is a serious sin.

>>36940065
your fedora is showing
go and shove a banana in yourass, just like your leader lol

>>36940196
argument by association fallacy

>>36940136
Strictly following religions and not thinking for yourself maybe, but belief in a higher power makes more sense than "the big bang happened for no reason and everything came from nowhere and science and stuff".

>>36940264
Neither make any sense.

>>36940184
>>Won't let anyone know where he is
You aren't a spiritual man. Finding Jesus means praying too him and reading the word every day to the point where you can connect to Jesus's spirit or rather presence. Jesus and God live in another dimension in Heaven. They are made out of light rather than matter like flesh and blood. They speak to you through your heart with a language of feelings. Every word has a feeling behind it and it is a universal language that even animals can understand.

>>36940264
>tfw believe in jesus
>tfw I understand the genesis is a poem written by hebrews to make sense of their existence centuries ago

patrician

>>36938931
>falling for a literal Jew meme
What if I told you it's not God, but your persuasion that you found it that makes you feel nice?

>>36938931
Excellent to hear, OP.
As a fellow brother in Christ, I can't help but be overjoyed when someone not only finds Jesus Christ, but also immediately recognizes His infinite mercies and blessings.
Don't let the jaded and cynical steal your joy on here and remember to hold onto this feeling, even when life throws you trying times.

>>36940331
It wouldn't make me feel less nicer and it wouldn't make it less true for me, after all I found Jesus through others, not as a magical super natural entity.

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>>36940173
>>36940175
Wether you are happy or mad in life is redundant.life it's self is a meat grinder a crucible it was never designed to be a utopia so being mad/content/stoic is not bad it's actually common with other the people who aren't blue pulled sheep who are so tumble visioned they focus on the few glimmering embers in this dark chasm and say "I'm in this dark abyss but hey I got some embers to look at" completely avoiding the current unfavorable situation at hand
>>36940195
Kek.likewise

>>36939606
>The mind operates rationally

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA holy shit man

>>36940370
>it wouldn't make it less true for me
Of course, it's good that your're happy, but recognize what the source of your happiness is - it is your inner belief that you have some connection like that, not an objective truth. So do not push it to anybody.

>>36940435
It does. By mind I refer to the conscious mind. Not to the emotional aspect.

>>36940264
Where did the god come from then?
It doesn't make any more sense.
You are just avoiding the question where things started that way.

>>36940455
>he thinks there are objective truths

truly the most religious thinking of all

>>36938931
While I'm happy for you anon, but that still doesn't prove god exist. You're simply comforted by the fact that you're convinced a god loves you, but you never actually proved his existence. Somethung like that wouldn't be able to work for someone like me because there's no way I'd be able to fall for such an absurd idea that a flying man in the sky loves me unconditionally unless that was proven to me.

>>36940276
I disagree. Trying to trace back where humans come from will lead you to one creator, which makes more sense. You come from your parents, your grandparents, and so on, then evolving from apes, the last universal common ancestor, back to the building blocks for life in the big bang. It makes more sense that "something" must exist that didn't require creation, than that chain of creation going on forever which seems impossible.

>>36940515
there are objective truths, bitch, we call them facts
what can be inaccurate is their description

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>>36940196
Good job addressing his point faggot. This is why its impossible to have a rational conversation with religious folk.

>>36940531
>Trying to trace back where humans come from will lead you to one creator
No. You cannot have a creator be exempt from creation.
>than that chain of creation going on forever which seems impossible.
Infinity is beyond the scope of comprehension, but it is still the only rational conclusion.
Catholic monks tried to answer the question using a sophistry where they defined God as something that doesn't have to make sense, and then pretended that this made perfect sense.

>>36940495
You're assuming that God had to come from somewhere instead of always existing. That's putting a human spin on something that isn't human, i.e. requiring a birth/creation.

>>36940196
Dude you're not even arguing at this point, you're just name calling.

>>36940595
You can see an example of this sophistry employed here:
>>36940598
>You're assuming that God had to come from somewhere instead of always existing.
>you're assuming God has to make sense, but I have defined God as not having to make sense, so I don't have to make sense

>>36938931
That's amazing to hear anon! I'm making a thread soon, hope to see you there!

>>36940479
Every thought you have is tainted by everything you've experienced so far.
>>36940531
The big bang and god have much in common. Both preceed our universe, including space, time and any natural law whatsoever.

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>I feel much happier now
>hurr you're wrong

>>36940595
>You cannot have a creator be exempt from creation.
Why?

>Infinity is beyond the scope of comprehension, but it is still the only rational conclusion.
It seems less rational to me. How could there be infinite creators? That kind of thinking reminds me of how people used to believe the universe always existed, but we know that's not true. I wouldn't say that God doesn't make sense because that leads to a magical kind of thinking, and am 100% pro-science which requires some kind of logic and sense.

>>36940643
>Every thought you have is tainted
That is some gibberish. People who have amnesia can still figure out 2+2.

>>36940614
When did I say that God doesn't make sense? Just because you can't apply human characteristics to God does not mean it doesn't make sense. That's you just being limited by your own self and sense of creation.

It's also kind of lame to try to sum up my arguments in a way that make me seem stupid so you can easily "win".

>>36940595
>No. You cannot have a creator be exempt from creation.
You should read up on the big bang because everything we have in our universe now, and I mean literally everything, space and time included was created by the big bang. What led to the big bang is nothing we can describe. Also, in the case of a vacuum metastability event, the current universe would get completely obliterated by a universe that is closer to a true vacuum, and it would work different from the universe we have now.

>>36940675
>Why?
It is irrational. If you premise is "all things must be created" then you cannot also have a premise saying "God doesn't have to be created".
If you change the premise to "all things except God has to be created", then you need to explain why God is exempt, and why the same reasoning cannot be applied to make everything exempt.
>It seems less rational to me. How could there be infinite creators?
It is quite simple. Any effect has and is a cause. Any cause requires another cause to explain. Therefore you can never reach a first cause.

>>36940675
Having a creator exempt from creation means they had to exist in the first place. Now where the fuck did they come from? Try to answer that logically.

>>36940643
>The big bang and god have much in common. Both preceed our universe, including space, time and any natural law whatsoever.
Yep, but saying the big bang happened for no reason and we're here just because is akin to magical thinking.

>>36940711
I don't believe in Big Bang nonsense. I find that it is even more irrational than standard Creationism.

>>36940732
Well we actually can provide evidence the big bang happened unlike the existence of god.

>>36940715
>>36940719
>there are people who call themselves logical but unironically and seriously believe in turtles all the way down

>>36940676
>People who have amnesia can still figure out 2+2

Why shouldn't they? It's not like people with that condition have their brain formatted or anything like that.

>>36940761
>there are retards today, too stupid to realize the logical flaws of 11th century Catholic sophistry

>>36940761
>God can come from nowhere but the Universe can't come from the Big Bang

>>36940784
Their ability to understand 2+2 was not 'tainted by their experiences'

>>36940749
The Big Bang is even more surrealistic than "God magically created everything".

>>36940812
>God can come from nowhere
God wouldn't have to "come" from anywhere, if God caused the big bang then it means God exists outside of time and the need for creation.

However, it's possible that the "creation" aspect to God that people are trying to find is needed recognition from humans. Since humans are the only creatures capable of worshipping idols and their own creations, the aspect of finding the truth is God's own "creation".

>>36940853
Literally "God doesn't have to make sense".

>>36940729
Well, it is nothing we can describe at least. We can literally say nothing about the moment the big bang happened or what led to it happening in the first place. I mean, how'd you describe anything without time and space, for example?
>>36940732
wat

>>36940826
>math is objective
>the ontological principle of math is verifiable by itself!

Not even Descartes was this retarded, and he was a retard alright.

>>36940826
Again, having amnesia doesn't mean your brain is wiped clean.

>>36940812
>>36940810
>if you don't believe in turtles all the way down you must be a Christian

>>36940853
I see where you're coming from, but, leaving the Big Bang aside, could you not have applied the same logic to the Universe? It's possible for the Universe to have existed since the dawn of time, like a hypotetical God, is it not? That seems more plausible to me than some form of mystical being in charge of everything. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not flinging shit, but don't you agree it's a possibility? We don't know for sure what is and is not possible to happen in the Universe so it might just have been something we can't yet understand.

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>just wanted to share my happiness with my fellow robots
>turned into a shit flinging fest

Why guys?

>>36940890
Yeah, sorry for being retarded. It's all spooks dude. SPOOKS. You need to be taught the concept of numbers so it's a spook. ALL SPOOKS. Words are spooks. Am I even commucating with anyone right now? Do you understand me or do understand these words differently than me? Am I spooking you right now? SPOOKS.

>>36940867
Okay, you're just going to say that to whatever rational arguments I can come up with, which makes it feel pointless to continue with you. I came up with a way to describe how God could be "created" through humans finding the truth after their descent into false beliefs, and you still repeat the same things over and over.

I'm not angry with you, but you may not be in a place to continue this discussion right now. I hope you'll continue to think about these things, as will I, because I know I'm not 100% correct about everything.

>>36940870
>I mean, how'd you describe anything without time and space, for example?
I used to think about that a lot when I was younger. It's hard to describe because thoughts and words are a component of time and space. I think it's a limitation of our way to communicate, currently. I believe with advanced technology we will come to understand it more.

>>36940913
Prime mover is nothing but 11th century Catholic sophistry. It doesn't matter if you identify as a Christian. It is not even a matter of belief. It is a matter of understanding. You lack the logical understanding necessary to see the flaw of the reasoning.

>>36940843
The complexity of something has nothing to do with the truth of it. The fact is there is more evidence supporting the big bang theory than creationism. We are not weighing two equally irrational theories. We are weighing a complex theory with evidence against a simple theory with none.
>inb4 occam's razor

>>36940945
It isn't rational. Your argument comes down to "God is exempt from reason". You can't use something that is "exempt from reason" to make a rational argument.

>>36940973
Not complex. Surrealistic. It involves reification of abstract concepts. Time, energy, space.

>>36940916
>started a religious thread on r9k
>why did it turn into a shit fest?
fuck you

>>36940843
>cannot imagine anything smarter than a magical jew in the sky creating everything

at this point the only plausible god is a deist one, desu. everything else is ignorant retardation.

>>36940979
Spinoza literally proved the existence of God mathematically like 3 centuries ago in his Ethics, Demonstrated in Geometrical Order though?

>>36938931
Good job, OP. Deus Vult mode when?

>>36941000
Nothing has to be created. The idea of creation is to make something from nothing. Such a thing is not possible.

If only I didn't convince myself that God wasn't real and became cynical and bitter over it

>>36941015
Repeat his argument here and I will try to respond to it.

>>36941023
Life comes from life, friend. The first "life" as we know it came from the Lord, who is the Way, Truth, and the Life. c:

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>>36940998
S-sorry...
>>36941020
Never ever, God loves me and wants me to love everyone, even degenerates like me!

>>36941062
>life came from life
>first life
You can't have a first life if life comes from life.

>>36941015
>That heretic piece of shit Spinoza

DEUS VULT

>>36941023
>Such a thing is not possible.
Incorrect. Lawrence Krauss argues that in the absence of laws making creating something out of nothing impossible, something might always appear.

>>36940945
>It's hard to describe because thoughts and words are a component of time and space
Not only that but everything is also subject to the natural laws that define our universe. I don't think we will be able to develop technology that isn't bound by the laws of physics.
>>36940914
Time is a fundamental principle in our universe and forever doesn't exist. The dawn of time happened when our universe happened.

>>36941098
The idea that things 'appear' for no reason contradicts casaulity which is the foundation of rationality.

>>36941062
if you really believe that you should kys, because we don't need more stupid people

>>36941077
God wants us to love our neighbors, yes. But if our neighbors are wicked and threaten our existence, God does not expect us to shy from battle. Read Luke 19:27 and 22:36

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>>36938931
How did you do it? I don't care if this is a delusion or not but I have extreme social anxiety and its killing me.

>>36941127
This train of thought only works when there's a universe that actually works that way. Our universe wasn't the status quo until ca 14 billion years ago. And if we go with the big bang theory what led to our universe wasn't bound to the laws or principles that our current universe has.

>>36941098
Sure but refer to >>36940715

Why couldn't we apply this reasoning to say the universe came out of nothing rather than needing any laws of physics or gods?

>>36941127
But causality exists because of how our universe is. If the laws of nature were created in the big bang, then in absence of those limiting laws you cannot speak of causality, because there was none. So yes, if there was a potential for a universe to "pop up", then it actualized itself, because there was nothing that made it not possible.

>>36939392
>durrr be godly and a christian like me
>kys

way to be a hypocrite in your own faith you fucking retard. take your shitty death cult propaganda somewhere else.

>>36941198
>>36941209
This is just as delusional as the prime mover nonsense. It is not possible to argue or make sense without causality. So your suggestion, which includes the lack of causality, can by definition never make sense or be used in a rational argument.

>>36941199
>Why couldn't we apply this reasoning to say the universe came out of nothing rather than needing any laws of physics or gods?

That's exactly what Krauss is saying. The universe might have actually come from nothing, because there wasn't anything that would make it impossible.

>>36941220
>This butthurt from a Deus Vult 1488er on 4chan

>>36941245
>So your suggestion, which includes the lack of causality, can by definition never make sense or be used in a rational argument.
The objective truth doesn't need to make sense or be rational.

>>36940590
you just literally called me a homo
name calling
also, stop wearing the fedora pls

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>>36941280
>pointing out hypocrisy and calling said hypocrite a retard
>butthurt

k

>>36941245
Of course it can. We use rationality to deduce that conclusion that without law of causality, things we would call "irrational" can happen.

>>36941313
The objective truth is beyond comprehension by definition. When we understand something we seperate it from the whole.

>>36941345
It is sophistry. I can rephrase your post into "if things doesn't have to make sense then things that doesn't make sense can happen". This is what you are saying. It is nothing but fancy wording.

>there are retards that in 2017 think that logical positivism is rational

holy fuck, you ignorant fucks realize that empiricism is the factual opposite of rationalism, right?

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>>36938931

>Believing in the ultimate bluepill, the ultimate pyramid scheme and the ultimate cancer of the earth
>Claiming you're right and literally everyone else is wrong
>Continuing dying primitive dark-ages ideologies and writings
>Believing this is really the only way to better yourself

This has nothing to do with atheism. Believing in god is okay. Religion is cancer and people are getting it. No wonder
it's dying in every secular corner of the world.

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>>36938931
>>find Allah
>>suddenly feel loved by Allah
>>stop caring about what others think of me because Allah will love me regardless
>>stop being sad and fearful of the future
>>social anxiety is gone, become more cheerful
>>Jihadi john starts liking me
>>start having muslim brothers and meaningful connections
>>I thought that finding Allah was a meme, what the fuck.

>>36941433
>Religion is cancer and people are getting it
I don't think so. There's always some ideology people are following, doesn't really matter what you call it. There's also the problem that unhappiness and mental health issues are on the rise recently. The trend to kill yourself because you can stand being yourself is also something that's quite new as far as I am aware.

>>36938931
>there are retards that in 2017 think that this is an unironic thread

m'laaady

>>36941361
Krauss also adresses this objection in the book (A Universe from Nothing). If you want to be persuaded that this argument makes actual sense, read it, it isn't long.

>>36941433
>Believing in god is okay. Religion is cancer and people are getting it.
Agreed. It's why I prefer to think of God as "Hypsistos", which basically tries to identify the correct attributes of God without the falsities of religions.

I still like to read about religions because you can learn from them, but to say you have to strictly follow one the correct way or go to Hell forever just causes distress for people, and nobody is correct 100% of the time.

>>36941497

Correct, but modern-day ideologies are better than classic religon (excluding stuff like fascism etc.)

>>36941555
How'd you explain that people are generally very unhappy nowadays? Or the rise of mental health issues and suicides if modern day ideologies are so much better?

>>36941602

Because it's more accepted to express those things these days, and it's allowing people to feed off of those things in the open. Modern day ideologies aren't really better, just not as bad as primitive ones. Still stupid, but not as brainwashing or based on conformist attention.

>>36941602
You wonder why are people unhappy when they are overtly exploited by modern-day capitalism? Also the internet made it much easier to see negativity.

>>36941519
It can't make sense for the reason I stated. You can't include "doesn't have to make sense" as a quality of any proponents of an attempt to make sense.

>>36941640
>>36941653
I'm just thinking it's weird that our quality of life has gone up tremendously in the last few hundred years and people are seemingly more miserable than ever. Maybe humans were meant to be insufferable cunts, who knows.

>>36941774
Could be because people have more time to just sit around and think now, and they recognize that things could still be so much better.

If you were constantly thinking about being killed by the tribe next to yours, or dying because you don't have enough food, it's different from thinking about why you die just because you get older. It's easier to think about how to defend yourself from a weapon or get more food compared to time itself killing you.

>>36941774

Religion let people live happy in delusions. People came to their senses and searched for something else to live by. That created capitalism, work-addiction, materialism, and liberalism. That mix made people live in a mega-competitive depressing environment, use escapism to ease the pain and share their thoughts openly. No wonder.

>>36941862
That thought has also crossed my mind but I'm not entirely sure. Maybe the only thing that kept people from killing themselves was that every religion had some form of punishment for doing so? I mean you have to ask yourself why everyone established the rule that it is bad to kill yourself if there wasn't anyone doing it to the point where people thought that something needs to be done to stop it.
>>36941895
So people coming to their senses was a bad thing in the end?

>>36941960
Why don't cows kill themselves? Their life is just standing on a small spot of land and waiting to get butchered. Sounds miserable, right? I think cows are more miserable than humans. They simply lack the awareness of how miserable they are.

>>36941985
I'd say they miss the cognitive ability rather than just awareness. Even if you're fighting for survival humans are still capable of thinking beyond the next meal. If this wouldn't be the case we'd still be living in caves.

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>>36941985
Because they don't have waifus to kill themselves for

>>36942047
You are right. The point was just that they aren't aware of how miserable they are.
For humans there select individuals in the past, that realizedd how miserable the conditions of life were.

>>36941433
SJWism is on the rise and it's like religion in so many ways.

>>36941895
>Religion let people live happy in delusions.

People ALWAYS lived in delusions, fedora tipper.

religion is simply an anti-liberal delusion that represses reward until after death. Obviously, people are going to pick the atheist capitalistic delusion since the rewards are quicker.

>>36940709
I don't know where humans come from
>It must be a god
I don't know where thunder comes from
>It must be a god
I don't know where where the earth comes from
>It must be a god
I don't know where the stars come from
>It must be a god
I don't know where the universe comes from
>It must be a god

This has always been the thought process of people who didn't have the answers and religions would just jump to the next unanswered question if they ever got discovered.

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>>36942173
>the lack of a delusion is also a delusion

>>36942198
there is nothing more delusional than continuing to live when your future is worm food. That's where instant pleasure of materialism fits in though. It allows you to handle that delusion without committing suicide.

>>36938931
So whats it like to know your going to burn in hell? because if you actually read and believe the bible you ARE going to hell, 90% of people in the world are committing dozens and dozens of sins that they consider ((outdated)), you can't cherry pick the bible and you can't half ass being christian, this is part of the reasons I don't believe in god, if I did I know I would have to either change my life to a near unfathomable degree or accept I'm going to burn, don't believe in fairy-tales that threaten you with eternal suffering unless you give up everything that makes life worth living.

>>36942256
Why is it delusional to continue to live? It is a choice it isn't a belief. How can actions be delusional? Can you please try a little harder to make sense?

>>36942182
We can explain all of that through scientific means, it's what caused the big bang is the question... Since there's technically no "before" the big bang because that's when time started. So it seems something exists outside of time, which seems to also mean that something can't ever stop existing since that's also related to time.

>>36942305
Define exist. orginally.

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>>36938931
>Jesus was a jew
>Falling for the jew's tricks
Kisama

>>36942256
>when your future is worm food.
For individuals sure, but there are a lot of people who believe that through scientific means people will eventually stop dying altogether, and potentially figure out a way to bring dead people back to life.

>>36941960

Both bad and good, depending on who you ask.
I'd rather live in pain knowing the truth.

>>36942173

Religion is more delusional. It's a whole system of laws, morals, culture etc based around delusions. People pick the capitalistic delusion because there are actual rewards in sight.

>>36942321
To have substance outside of thoughts and imagination?

>>36942404
>substance
You mean like shape?

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Who wrote the bible? How did they know the creation story? Was it mystically told to the author? If God is real, who created God? Who created God's creator?

Or is it just a baseless delusional theory that people blindly believe in without doing any critical thinking whatsoever?

Listen, I hate to rain on your parade; there might be a God out there. But in my opinion it's quite naive to believe in the Gods as told from Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, or any other religious perspectives.

But hey, really down to it, Religion is your decision. It's subjective. You can't refute my arguments nor can I refute yours. This discussion is meaningless.

Sorry for taking the bait but existentialism has always interested me.

I'm glad for you, OP. I myself still struggle to stay positive at times. I was always happier around others as a kid when i was younger and wondered why others hated me and seemed so negative. I had to face a lot of issues and still do, but I keep reminding myself there's more to life than that. I wish I could just turn the suicidal thoughts off.

I'm really happy for you though, I know god is with us.

>>36942453
Maybe, lots of cultures represent God as a circle.

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>>36939392
>believes in god
>posts picture of hitler laughing

not gonna lie my dude i dont know if thats gonna bring you to heaven

>>36942458
>If God is real, who created God? Who created God's creator?
That's why some people think it's more logical to believe that something exists without being created, because to have an infinite chain of creators seems illogical.

You have to try to separate "God" from the religions though, it helps to read all of them and figure out what the truth is for yourself, since humans are naturally prone to error you can't say one is 100% correct.

>>36942515
Not maybe, I am asking you clarify precisely what you mean.

>>36942581
It is not logical. It is sophistry. Logic is not subject to personal opinion.

>>36942624
Just because you disagree doesn't mean it's not logical.

>>36942702
I have already explained why it isn't logical.