Is there any real argument to be made against giving blacks reparations

>>36937856
Well, there's also the fact that the money won't be coming from people who owned slaves

>>36937856
Without "HURR YOU WEREN'T A SLAVE" there's literally no reason to give them reparations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u_6DGMrYA8
Watch this, negro.

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Finally i get to post this

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>>36937887
>mass incarcerations
>unequal jail sentences for the same crimes
>police brutality

Wait one of my forefathers was slaughtered by Napoleon, brb demanding gibs from France.

they can never have my autismbucks
i need them to commission cartoon torture porn
socialism is a degeneracy that must be wiped from this land

>>36937922
Literally just don't be a criminal and none of this shit will happen to you.
Is it that hard for you fuckers just to put your savage nature under wraps for a while and just be good citizens holy shit.

>>36937918
Good point desu. Anyway, handouts would not help. What's needed is not only education but also opportunities for advancement. This is already in place. In order to for it to be effective, ghetto culture must be entirely gutted. Mass arrests and executions of gang leaders and drug dealers. Revitalisation of impoverished areas only once the elements responsible for holding them in the gutter - whether institutional or internal - are torn apart.

>>36937963
I just remembered Vikings once raided the village of my ancestor and took him as a slave. Fucking Vikings should pay me.

>>36937922
those things exist as a result of niggers being niggers, not the other way around

ito the OP, this adolph reed (he is a pretty well-regarded professor, labor activist, also happens to be black) piece is basically the best argument against reparations as such that i have ever read
http://educationright.tripod.com/id266.htm

basically:
the "mainstream" movement for reparations is politically untenable and seeks to eliminate class-based solidarity in favor of racial identity-based political personhood.
people who benefit from this alliance: rich white people
people who do not benefit from this alliance: everybody else

also see reed here
http://johnhalle.com/outragesandinterludes/adolph-reed-on-sanders-coates-and-reparations/
he
a. completely annihilates ta-nehisi coates in a fantastic fashion. i love it.
and
b. makes a convincing case that class-based redistribution systems (bernie sanders notably advanced this sort of thing last election and white people ate it up) are effectively reparations that aren't called such; you basically remedy "black issues" by tackling "class issues" at large and it makes everybody happy

>>36937918
i get this is some kind of a /polfront/ image but you do realize that nobody thinks white people owe black people reparations because white people invented the concept of slavery, right?

Saying we have to pay reparations implies we were the ones who enslaved them, we brought them for a fair price from their own African slave traders. If anyone should pay reparations to African Americans it is the Africans for selling the and enslaving them in the first place.

>>36937922
You ever know how you have to be on your best behavior when every kid is being a little shit around you?

Niggers haven't mastered the concept of not having run-ins with police.

>Be niggers
>Sell drugs in your neighborhood
>Do gang shit
>Steal from local stores
>Cry racism and profiling when police start patrolling the area when it gets bad

>>36938146
>be black
>live in a ghetto or don't
>use drugs at same rate as whites
>sell drugs at same rate as whites
>get arrested 6x more often than whites
>serve sentences 5x as long as whites
>white drug users blame and laugh at you on the internet

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Blacks were sold into slavery by their own kind and brought to America on Jewish slave ships. Slavery was common practice, our ancestors dindu nuffin wrong. Aside from that, the case could be made that reparations have been paid out many times over in the amount of welfare that has been given to the black community. In all fairness, they would just waste their reparations on stupid shit and be broke as fuck shortly after anyway.

There is literally nothing wrong with voter ID laws

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>>36938333
>be black
>see black guy shoot other black guy
>don't say anything cause fuck snitching
>complain about how crime in black neighbourhood isn't solved

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>>36938333
>Be 13% of the population
>Be responsible for 50% of all murderers
Dindu

Why are voter ID laws an anti-black thing?

Are black people considered too stupid to get ID?

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>>36938335
Damn the levels of autism are overwhelming

>>36937922
We're suppose to give niggers money because they commit crime?
Are you retarded?

They've been getting reparations for quite some time now, in the form of being able to live in a first world country instead of Africa.

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>>36938354
>be white
>see white guy get shot outside your house
>don't call cops because "not my problem"
>bitch about "violent niggers need to take care of their own communities"

>>36938370
No, but they are too oppressed, by a systemic, institutionalized, racist, white supremacist power-imbalance. We must change the narrative, the tropes oppressing black people, patriarchy, white male cis gendered, COLONIAL, THE MOJO, VOODOO SPIRITS.

>>36937856
not really it's just that the average white person doesn't owe a black person gimmes. Universities paying for the tuition of minorities and philanthropy for black communities is a positive thing, but acting like all whites were complicit in slavery is just ignorant and unfortunately the attitude of most lefttards.

>>36938401
My example is actually grounded in reality.

>>36938401
>Live outside the ghetto
>Don't call the cops after witnessing a shooting
This would absolutely never happen you fucking moron. The reason it DOES happen so frequently in ghettos is the shitty "hood" mindset that discourages snitching.

>>36938365
>be 13% of the population
>commit 22% of all violent crimes
>the whites who actually commit 42% of violent crimes claim you commit 50%

>>36938333
>>use drugs at same rate as whites
>>sell drugs at same rate as whites
That's incorrect
They have higher sentences because they commit crimes at higher rates. The fear of prison is suppose deter people from committing crime.
White people think, "shit I don't want to spend 2 years in prison, I'm not going to rob this place"
Niggers think "sheeeit, 2 years ain't no thang, Imma rob these crakas, and get some time in tha pen and get street cred with my homies"
It doesn't bother niggers as much, so they have to increase it to the point that crime drops, but it never does because niggers are niggers.

>>36938462
>Whites are 63% of the population and only commit 42% of crime
>Blacks are 13% of the population and commit 22% of crime
lmao, even with you distorting the numbers blacks come out horribly.

>>36938462
In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender's race was unknown in 29.1 per cent of cases.

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>>36938463
Christ on a cracker you're stupid.

>>36938491
>Blacks BTFO by statistics, again

>>36938491
>>36938502
>claim blacks commit 50% of all murders
>it's actually 38%
>"y-you're distorting the numbers!"
Only one of us is playing with numbers unfairly here.

>>36938502
I'm familiar with those numbers, yes. But 38% is hardly 50%, is it? If you're gonna use numbers to be racist at least get them right.

>>36938370
are you terribly surprised this political cartoonist doesn't really have a firm grasp on the policy issues at stake here

voter id is only tangentially a poc issue
the idea is that in states that require ID, working class people usually have the hardest time getting ID since the ID office is only open during business hours and you can't get time off your wageslave shift to get a voter ID. obviously black people end up being the class of people that most often end up working low-wage jobs that don't offer time off.

also in states where you can only get your voter ID at the DMV, most poor/brown people don't live in a county with a DMV (texas is the usual example here i think)

in a purely statistical sense, black people are less likely than white people to have govt issued id

>>36938512
I'm not trying to refute the point, but
>citing studies from 1980
Could you seriously not find anything within the last 30 years? You understand this isn't helping you right?

>>36938541
It is for 2013. Here is another.
Blacks committed 52 percent of homicides between 1980 and 2008, despite composing just 13 percent of the population. Across the same timeframe, whites committed 45 percent of homicides while composing 77% of the population, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

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>>36938401
>Be me, new neighbors moved in downstairs
>They no joke have come from Africa this year to live here
>Met them, even helped move some of their furniture in.
>They seem super nice and thankful, just a man, his brother, his wife and kid.
>Fast forward four hours and i can hear through the floor them screaming at each other and throwing glasses at each other
>Can hear kid screaming in background too, someone hits walls with probably enough force that they aren't getting their deposit back
>Call cops
>End up having to call cops 2 more times over coming weeks.

You're retarded if you think people won't call the cops because "it's not your problem". Woman was getting beaten. Took the cops three times before they finally felt they could arrest the guy. I got called racist by a neighbor because I called the cops on the person who's beating his wife. Who just happened to be black. Black people and niggers are different groups and niggers cause their own fucking problems. Same as rednecks and white people or Mexicans and spics. The shitty people deserve to be treated with disdain.

>>36938544
Don't forget changing what ID is required and not widely publishing the changes. So you show up with a state-issued ID, and now they want your utility bill, too.

This isn't just about POC but it's primarily meant to target them. However, the overall target is poor people, especially in cities, who usually vote Democrat. That's why this is a largely GOP tactic.

>>36938550
Did you not read the second half? You literally stopped at the first sentence.

>>36938544
>>36938582
If you cannot even bother to get ID verifying your identity, why should you be allowed to vote? Everyone outside the USA are laughing at you idiots.

>>36938582
>Mfw Mexico has national voter ID

ALL of you need to fuck off back to /pol/. Stop shilling this bullshit here, we don't care about it.

>>36938392
There was no crime committed in the picture. Maybe it took off a few generations after.

>>36937856
>Is there any real argument to be made against giving blacks reparations aside form "HURR YOU WEREN'T A SLAVE"?


Can you give us any information while we should?

>>36938609
i mean, if the idea is that voting is integral to democracy (in a way that, say, buying alcohol or driving a car isn't), then making people jump through additional hoops in order to vote doesn't make much sense
it especially doesn't make sense when those hoops are not, in practice, applied equally

if you look at american history w/r/t voting ability it's pretty clear why this stuff happens and people use the same exact justification you do

>if you can't even bother to pay a poll tax, why should you be allowed to vote? we all pay the tax, why should you get to skip it?
>if you can't even pass a literacy test, why should you have a say in our democracy?
etc.

voting rights in america are so frequently the target of political machinations that we literally had to codify what "voting rights" entailed back in the civil rights movement and lo and behold, politicians are still attempting to recast those rights

>>36938677
Having an ID is not a fucking hoop you absolute retard. It is the only way you can assure people do not cheat and vote multiple times.

>Voter ID laws are racist
I will never understand this meme.
Do white people just think all black people are so stupid that they don't know how to get a fucking state ID?

>>36938609
I think the most racist thing about voter ID laws is that Democrats in this country assume black people are too stupid to get IDs

>>36938582
>and now they want your utility bill, too.
Typically they just want proof of address, which could be anything from a bill to a letter to some sort of federal post addressed to your name and address.
This is nothing new though, so I'm not sure where the "and now" part comes from.

>>36938690
>>36938695
>>36938712
What in the everloving fuck is so hard about reading? You can literally Google "how are voter ID laws racist" and immediately find out why.

Your own courts agree, it's not black people's fault you're stupid.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/08/03/courts-are-finally-pointing-out-the-racism-behind-voter-id-laws/?utm_term=.1df97a4d2bde

I'm half white and half black. If I buy myself some KFC later, can I call it even?

>>36938690
it's literally an extra step you have to take in certain states that you wouldn't otherwise have to take were it not for recently-passed laws requiring you to do so

it's a hoop

it's funny that the antiestablishment /pol/ folks come out so hard in favor of voter ID when it really conflicts hard with their core libertarianism
>everybody should have to have government-issued documents
sounds pretty statist for a group of people who are categorically fearful of the government requiring any form of registration

i guess racebait trumps the fear of the feds making you visit an office and get an id card or whatever

>>36938776
>washingtonpost
Now post a source that's not retarded.
Voter ID laws are not racist you dumbfuck, most countries on the planet that aren't the USA already have pretty stringent voter ID laws.

>>36938776
>>36938789
Nice argument, you fucking idiot. Now get the fuck out, retardo.

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>>36938776
>(((Washington Post)))
No thank you. Try linking an article from HuffPo next time for some real unbiased reporting.

can the op get btfo harder than this?

fucking delicious

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>>36937856
Is there any real argument to be made for giving blacks reparations aside from "HURR PEEPUL WIF MUH SKIN CULLAH WUZ SLAVES"?

>>36937922
so we should give money to black criminals because there is a trend in black communities to commit crime? or do we give it to black kids?

anyway, the same can be said for any descendant of immigrants, which is 100% of our population.

>>36938789
If you want to participate in the government program that is voting, then yea, you'll need an ID.
The general libertarian position on voting is that it's a waste of time and only serves to justify the power and status quo of the state, in addition to amplifying the tyranny of the "majority."

>>36938795
>the washington post is retarded because i don't agree with their ideology
i don't agree with the WSJ's ideological bent but i don't intuitively distrust anything with their URL attached either
jesus christ

anyway the article that anon linked to is pretty much just a condensation of a couple of court opinions which are here:
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/NCLWVopinion042516.pdf
and here
http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/wisconsin-voter.id_.pdf

inb4 "i'm not reading all that shit"
your fucking fault if you refuse to read someone's summary of the massive court documents because you might disagree with them politically

My grandfather, who is white, literally receives reparations from a certain government because he was enslaved.

If blacks who weren't slaves get reparations, then my pale, white ass deserves to reap my grandfather's reparations, despite the fact that I was never a victim.

>>36938835
naw is raciss, black folk don know nuttin bout no gobment identificate. yous let us vote or u raycis.

>>36938821
this originally

oregano

winery terranova

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>>36938102
>you do realize that nobody thinks white people owe black people reparations because white people invented the concept of slavery, right?

Sssh, don't want to mess with the alt Right narrative. It's the only thing they know

>>36938795
>>36938804
>>36938810
>post summary of a federal court case
>article is in a paper Trump criticizes
>IT'S FAKE NEWS

It's a fucking court case, you dolts. What, you think WaPo made it up?

>>36938512
>Trim the population to a particular age group that includes 12 year olds selling drugs
>Muh whites causing the problems

>>36938874
NARRATIVE, TROPES, PATRIARCHY, POWER IMBALANCE, MICRO AGRESSION, SYSTEMIC, INSTITUTIONAL , LOOK AT ME, I HAVE A WORTHLESS UNIVERSITY DEGREE.

>>36938835
the issue here is with the concept that voting is a government program like medicaid or something

>>36937856
The fact that they should never have been freed in the first place?

>>36938879
>don't read
>pick one number out of a long paragraph full of numbers
>HURR DURR NIGGERS R DA PROBLEM

>>36938878
Why would you think a court case is relevant? Do the court have some kind of divine mandate to decide what is racist or not?
You were blown the fuck out. You have no argument. Get out of here sucker.

>>36938879
why is white culture so degenerate that their preteens are selling drugs?

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if you don't hate niggers then you are not and cannot fucking be A ROBOT

GET OUT NORMIE LIBTARD FAGGOTS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>36938908
>Do the court have some kind of divine mandate to decide what is racist or not?

no, they have a legal mandate though

>>36938891
Voting is literally a government program, just like medicaid or social security, and every other country on the planet sees it that way, hence why they have voter ID laws.

>>36938909
If it's so degenerate I suggest you move to a country primarily inhabited by blacks then.

>>36938890
>WORDS I DON'T UNDERSTAND MAKE ME ANGRY
>MY PARENTS COULDN'T AFFORD COLLEGE AND I WAS TOO STUPID FOR SCHOLARSHIPS
>I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING BUT IT'S SOMEHOW BLACK PEOPLE'S FAULT

>>36938890
T. Someone who flunked high school, and believes everything that pol presents him

I mean sorry to burst your (((red pill))) m8.

>>36938947
an inability to recognize sarcasm is often symptomatic of autism

>>36938935
So what? When the law said black people could be owned as slaves you agreed with that?

>>36938954
>>36938957
Define any of those words. I dare you.

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>>36938907
You're an idiot. I am pointing out what the author is cherry picking. I can show statistics from his own fucking study that he's citing too

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>>36937856
>Voter ID laws are racist
Racism of low expectations, maybe

why are "people" who defend niggers dumber than niggers themselves?

how is this even possible?

>>36938963
>autists on /r9k/

O SHIEEET WHITEY

>>36938967
nigger what the fuck are you even trying to argue at this point

you (or someone) said:
>how is voter id a racist concept

that anon said
>here is a summary of several court cases which have held that voted id laws in america have been applied in racially discriminatory ways

>you (or someone else) said
i refuse to read the washington post because i am literally retarded

if you read the court briefs (or, if you don't want to spend 3 hours, you could read the original article!) you will see a judge lay out, in legal detail and terms, exactly how a voter ID law was found to be applied in a manner that discriminated against black people.

if you will not accept a legal argument then what kind of argument will you accept?

you made some reference to "divine" authority, which is clearly made-up to deflect from the fact that you can't handle the evidence being presented against you

the fact that racism has historically existed in US legal codes doesn't somehow disprove my point, it actually reinforces it

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>>36939028
You moved the goalposts so hard we're now playing badminton

>>36939028
It isn't racist to require people to show IDs for voting you bumbling baboon imbecile.

>>36939028
>>here is a summary of several court cases which have held that voted id laws in america have been applied in racially discriminatory ways
But that doesn't prove that voter IDs as a concept are racist.
Are you baiting?

This is like saying free speech is racist because it can be used to discriminate against black people.

>>36937918
Actually outside of the bible there is no records of the jews being enslaved by Egyptians, even archeological evidence is absent. The prevailing idea is that the pyramids were built but their own Egyptian people and educated people from all over that the Egyptians paid outstanding wages to due to how complex it was to build the pyramids.

That said Egyptians were not black, If Cleopatra was black how would she have seduced the most powerful men in the world?

>>36939028
That article is a poorly written hit piece about a poorly written law and a poorly judged court case. It's not racist to say a food stamp card is not a valid ID. It's more racist to think blacks cannot obtain a valid state ID.

>>36939028
I think Jamal is calling to come fuck your wife. You better answer.

>>36938890
>>36938890
>NARRATIVE
story that may or may not be true
>TROPES
commonly understood stereotypes (derogatory connotation)
>PATRIARCHY
a societal system wherein men hold most/all positions of power and influence, and wealth and family names are passed down via the male side of the bloodline
>POWER IMBALANCE
an unequal distribution of resources, including wealth, control or influence over legal and/or power systems
>MICRO AGRESSION
a nominally harmless action or remark that subtly strengthens or perpetuates dynamics of unequal power or oppression
>SYSTEMIC
of or relating to large, interconnected structures, usually societal level
>INSTITUTIONAL
of or relating to establishments, such as schools, governments, or companies, that have a long and established tradition

I don't even *agree* with all of these terms and I didn't need to check a dictionary

You can post here so you're clearly not 100% illiterate, so what's your excuse for never reading a fucking book?

>>36939061
>If Cleopatra
Cleopatra was of a different race than the native egyptians. She descended from one of Alexander's generals.

>>36937856
Receiving handouts in and of itself makes you less of a person, no matter what the reasoning.
It's keeping the brother down softly.

>>36939077
>story that may or may not be true
Circular definiton. Invalid.
>commonly understood stereotypes (derogatory connotation)
Circular definition. Invalid.
>a societal system wherein men hold most/all positions of power and influence, and wealth and family names are passed down via the male side of the bloodline

>>36938984
not either of those guys but here

narrative:
a coherent, mediated frame intended to provide appropriate context for an event, topic, etc.

tropes:
recurring (originally literary) features/archetypes that recur across narrative media

patriarchy:
a social structure/system in which men have power over women across social, political, and economic axes

power imbalance:
how retarded do you have to be to not know what this means

microagression:
a "small" event that reflects some broader structural oppression

systemic:
produced by a system...?

institutional:
the product of an institution, i.e. an organization (either real or abstract) which administers some form of power
t. multiple worthless degrees

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>>36939039
>what is a conversation
>I don't read but I somehow know you're the dumbass

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OOGA

BOOGA

gibs
me
DAT!!!

this was not an original comment

>>36939102
>>36939102
>Circular definiton. Invalid.
I... really don't think you know what this means.

Also, I did say I didn't check a dictionary, this was just off the top of my head. Why don't you provide a definition yourself without checking one, since you're so good with words and stuff?

P.S. Hit the Post button early there, did ya?

>>36939052
Something can be racist without intending to be racist. Just like you can accidentally hit someone with your car.

>>36939102
>a societal system wherein men hold most/all positions of power and influence, and wealth and family names are passed down via the male side of the bloodline
So not what we have today.
>an unequal distribution of resources, including wealth, control or influence over legal and/or power systems
A race does not have invidual agency. So a race cannot exert control of anything.
>a nominally harmless action or remark that subtly strengthens or perpetuates dynamics of unequal power or oppression
So basically something that offends someone and makes them feel impotent.
>of or relating to large, interconnected structures, usually societal level
You are obviously not talking about legal or physical structures, so imaginary structures I assume.
>of or relating to establishments, such as schools, governments, or companies, that have a long and established tradition
See above.

>>36938333
>do illegal shit while in prison
>get 5x longer sentances by the end of it all

>>36939142
Just because something has the potential to be racist or applied in a discriminatory manner doesn't mean it's inherently racist.
I ask again, are you fucking baiting or are you just this stupid?

My ancestors were a bunch of potato miners at the other side of the ocean when this shit went down. I don't owe anyone shit.

>>36939140
Defining a word using a synnonym is a circular definition. You are not getting any closer to the meaning of the word.
>Hit the Post button early there, did ya?
I pressed enter and it glitched. I hadn't even filled the captcha.

>>36938984
Why, are you too lazy to Google?

>Narrative
In this context, basically how information is handled. Info may be passed off or deemed ok, depending on bias

>tropes
Basically a stereotype or figure of speech

>patriarchy
The idea that society is run by men, whether directly or indirectly

>power imbalance
A certain group has a substantial amount of power over other groups. In feminism, it means men have more power over women. In pol, Jews have more power over goyim

>micro aggression
Casualised bigotry. Calling people nigger, jew, etc. Is an example. Beating someone up because they are black is a macro aggression

>systemic
In sociology, it basically means favouring cetain groups via practices

>instititional
Basically "racism ok'd by govetnment." The Americans kicking out Asians is one example. Same with native schools here in Canada

>be a nigger
>get food stamps
>get welfare
>fill out the forms when you pop out shaquitta's baby for more welfare
>don't work
>sell drugs
>B-b-but Voter ID is so hard to get
>I only have two fucking years that I can get it
>Any ID card is rayciss

>>36939164
*synonym

Words get defined using synonyms all the goddamn time. I was just approximating as best I could without giving it a bunch of thought, not writing a term paper.

>>36939103 provided a better definition than I did for the first several terms. Probably a lit major, if I had to guess.

>I pressed enter and it glitched. I hadn't even filled the captcha.
It happens.

>>36937922
>>unequal jail sentences for the same crimes

You do realise that repeating offenders get more jail time for selling crack than say someone who sold a little to his friend and was caught right?

>>36937856
Slavery was legal at the time of the crime, law does not compel anyone to pay them shit
Should the low income black areas get an uplift? yes
Should each individual black that didn't even suffer from it personally suddenly get some free money? no
Only form of reparation that i would be willing to pay for would be directly used to improve their schools and neighborhoods, but blacks would need to cut down on the crime pretty hard

>>36939205
These are stats for the same crimes.

Look, I know there's no way to say this without sounding awful, but it's becoming clearer over this thread that some of you guys really need to just READ some stuff before you go spouting off about things you just learned about from /pol/ and Breitbart. Like, books. By scholars. I don't mean that in the fruity sense, it has an actual definition.

>>36939052
if you think there is a meaningful, functional difference between "the abstract, non-real concept of voter ID" and "voter ID as it has been implemented," then sure, yeah, you can't argue that the theoretical idea of voter ID is racist.
by the same logic, you also can't argue that poll taxes or literacy tests are racist.

the thing is that it doesn't fucking matter what the ideal form of a policy is or isn't because that's not what actually affects people.

voter ID as it is implemented has been demonstrated by the aforementioned court cases to, in effect, be racist.

the magical, not real "concept" of voter ID (if that's what you're really on about) is safe from that judgment, as well as literally any judgment. it'd be impossible to call it racist or not racist or anything, really, since it's not real.

you still haven't explained how exactly one would prove that voter ID "as a concept" is racist, anyway
if the idea here is that you can't prove it, that doesn't make it not so, it just makes it an unanswerable question
god this is retarded

>>36939202
negative, history
idk why i said "recur" twice for tropes

the entire idea of explaining a bunch of non-buzzword buzzwords is dumb though as is this entire bait thread

>>36939180
>how information is handled
Too vague.
>Basically a stereotype or figure of speech
Circular.
>The idea that society is run by men, whether directly or indirectly
Society being run by men is patriarchy? Or the idea of society being run by men?
>A certain group has a substantial amount of power over other groups
A group can not have power unless the group is centralized. A race or gender is not a centralized group.
>Casualised bigotry. Calling people nigger, jew, etc. Is an example.
Calling someone a jew is bigotry?
>In sociology, it basically means favouring cetain groups via practices
Alledged practices.
>Basically "racism okd by govetnment."
So not an issue today.

>>36938401
does not happen

>>36939243
>voter ID as it is implemented has been demonstrated by the aforementioned court cases to, in effect, be racist.

>Voter ID is racist because of this handful of court cases in which it was applied in a discriminatory manner
Alright, this is stupid, I'm not going to argue why something that literally every other country on the planet, including countries in Africa, uses isn't an inherently racist system.
Poke your head outside of your asshole every once in awhile.

>>36939202
>Words get defined using synonyms all the goddamn time.
It doesn't matter. It is known as a circular definition. It is not a valid way of defining a word.

>>36937856
>Is there any real argument to be made against why 2+2 isn't 4 aside form "HURR THAT'S HOW ADDITION WORKS"?

>>36939288
>words can't be defined by similar words
Circular

>>36939324
>I don't understand what definition means

>>36939236
Why the fuck are you even here, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Stop being so blind to how the world works and grow up.

I can tell that you're just underage from your posts

>>36937856
The only thing niggers deserve is a lynching.

>>36939337
>define "definition"
>I dare you
Circular!

>>36939324
fuck off.
The entire concept of words is circular in the first place. You use words to substitute the concept you want to convey in the first place. The word refers to the concept, synonyms to the same concept.
Therefore any definition that isn't the actual concept (which you cannot convey without using words in the first place) is just going to loop back towards itself.

>>36939218
>Should the low income black area get an uplift?

Problem is that niggers will ruin it if you pump more money into it.

The change needs to come from within where niggers stop having nigger culture that makes them join gangs and 'no snitching' and commit crime.

Unfortunately it won't because niggers are too dumb to see the cause and effect of
>Do crime
>Get in trouble

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>>36939236
>Be white
>Get in altercation
>Shoot him once and kill him
>Show up to court
>Nice suit
>Express remorse
>Judge is lenient, sentence 20 years
>Be black
>Be Tyrone
>Get in altercation
>Shoot him 15 times
>Go to court
>Still look like Tyrone
>Tell judge, shit dat nigga had it coming
>Get sentenced to 35 years
Muh racism

>>36939276
we could have attached "american" in front of voter id at any point since up until now we've been discussing the purely american application but whatever

you're caught up in this idea of voter ID as a transcendent entity, like the platonic form of voter ID or something, which doesn't make any sense for any practical purpose and, again, can't be racist (or not racist) because it doesn't have anything to do with race

to reiterate, there is nothing racist about saying "we want people to demonstrate an ability to read and write before we will let them vote." maybe that policy is bad for a lot of reasons, but race comes up nowhere in the rationale for the policy

except we know that literacy tests were a way to effect racial discrimination through voting practices. only the most retarded fringes of the neoconfederate right would contest that.

so it doesn't do anybody any good to say "literacy tests aren't racist!" because, so what? when we had literacy tests, they were implemented to achieve specifically racist goals

likewise, the abstract policy of "people should show ID to vote" isn't racist
yet its implementation in america has been demonstrably shown to result in effective racism

the idea of interrogating whether an abstract concept is racist or not makes no sense and is presumably why you still cannot offer any line of argumentation which would prove or disprove the notion that a theoretical law is racist

>>36937856
>Is there any real argument to be made against my irrational beliefs aside from "HURR THAT'S IRRATIONAL"?

>>36939364
To define something is to make the meaning of that something clear.
If I asked you to define 'cool' and said 'you know, something chiq' I still wouldn't know the meaning.

>be white
>get stopped by cop
>don't pull my dick out to see whose is bigger
>continue on with my day

>be black
>get stopped by cop
>pull dick out
>cop's is always bigger
>pretend to have a gun
>get killed
>cops are racist

>>36939404
I'm learning to identify you just by the number of misspellings you clearly believe are the right way to spell those words.

>>36938102
good reads anon, thanks for that.

>>36937856
My white family immigrated here in the 1940's after slavery. They would use tax dollars my family has paid into over the
decades for reparations. Fuck that shit.

>>36939516
It's great you were taught how spell things correctly at University. Too bad you weren't taught to understand abstract concepts.

>>36939384
Why do you love sucking nigger aids dick so much

t. thread lurker

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>>36939109
>conversation
>not just changing the goal of your shilling every post when the previous one destroys you
how is Berkeley this time of year

>>36939384
>you're caught up in this idea of voter ID as a transcendent entity, like the platonic form of voter ID or something
No, I look at how it's applied worldwide and can see that it's applied just fine in most of these other countries without anyone trying to argue that they're inherently racist.

>there is nothing racist about saying "we want people to demonstrate an ability to read and write before we will let them vote."
Honestly, there should be some kind of basic literacy test in order to vote, it's pretty disingenuous for someone who can't even read to vote, especially if they're easily-manipulated.
>when we had literacy tests, they were implemented to achieve specifically racist goals
The difference is that literacy tests were almost exclusively used to achieve racist goals, voter IDs are not, they only exist to verify your identity.
Even your own argument has only provided a handful of court cases, so it's not a systematic issue present wherever voter IDs exist (hence why I bring up countries that aren't America).
Ergo, voter IDs aren't racist.

>>36939264
>Too vague
Basically how it's handled to fit as a whole. Or, conversely, how it's filtered out

>circular
What's circular about it?

>Society being run by men is patriarchy? Or the idea of society being run by men?
How it's run by men, without input from females or trannies or whatever.

It's moe the concept of it being run by men, or practices put in place by men, from a hardcore leftist point of view.

>A group can not have power unless the group is centralized. A race or gender is not a centralized group.
??

>Calling someone a jew is bigotry?
Depending on context, yes. Same with "nigget."

>Alledged practices.
Can be alleged, yes.

>So not an issue today.
Glad we solved racism!

>>36939061
>If Cleopatra was black how would she have seduced the most powerful men in the world?
This question doesn't make sense. The same way any other woman would.

>>36939367
Circular logic, my main man!

>>36939542
You've gone through this entire thread with at least 3 different people giving you definitions and you've rejected each one with
>Circular
>Doesn't happen
>Not an issue
>Your opinion
Meanwhile, dictionaries and Google are a single tab away.

I get abstract concepts just fine. It's you who's having trouble with all the definitions getting thrown at you, even though people are actually being pretty nice about it and you could have figured most/all of them out by now if you were trying.

I learned to spell in pre-school and grade school, same as most people. You really think we have spelling classes in universities?

>>36938635
Still better than all the trap, gay, fembot and other degenerate crap.

Besides, all of you who like to blame evil whitey for anything bad that happens to blacks and the reason why blacks commit so much crime are fucking racists because appearently you don't hold them to a high standard and don't expect them to be able to better themselves out of their own power, because they are black.

>>36938810
Nice merchant, anon. I hope you don't mind if I ste... I mean (((borrow))) it.

>>36939644
I never said affirmative action was good you stupid nigger, I am against any kind of helping hand. The problem is that this is not the place for it.

>>36939644
>leftists hate le ebil white man
>rightists hate le ebil joos

Same small minded idiocy, different boogiemen

>>36939683
Oh I didn't mean specifically you, just the rest of the anons discussing it in this thread.

>>36939584
>Basically how it's handled to fit as a whole. Or, conversely, how it's filtered out
Handled by who, when, at what point? If a computer program handles information is that a narrative? You have to specify the term.
>What's circular about it?
Defining it with a synonym.
>It's moe the concept of it being run by men
Do men have to actively disclude women for it to be patriarchy?
>??
You can't say. Men have power to do this and this, because men is not a single organization. We do not have some centralized governing mind.
>Depending on context, yes. Same with "nigget."
So depending on whether someone is offended?
>Can be alleged, yes.
If it isn't legally mandated, then it is alleged.
>Glad we solved racism!
Can't solve what isn't a problem.

>>36939672
It's 20 shekels to borrow it. Make the check out to me for 30 shekels. Thanks for the 40 shekels Anon.

Because WGAS.

Also, OP is a faggot.

>>36939644
>all of you who like to blame evil whitey for anything bad that happens to blacks and the reason why blacks commit so much crime are fucking racists because appearently you don't hold them to a high standard and don't expect them to be able to better themselves out of their own power, because they are black.
... what power? Whites have held and still hold nearly total control of all the money, governments, courts, pretty much everything. What power are black people supposed to use to better themselves, in your mind?

>>36939617
I am sorry you do not understand how to define words properly. It really isn't my problem you wasted years in University learning how to spell words correctly.

>>36939697
Except, it indeed happens to be people who are actually jews, who are responsible for a lot of suffering in the world.

>>36937856
There's no real argument against reparations

Read this - our techer showed up to us to class, really powerful piece imo

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

>>36939722
I am sorry you do not know how to use a dictionary and would instead prefer to badger random anons in a troll thread for words you should be able to understand on your own as a supposedly non-mouth-breathing adult.

Again. No spelling classes in university. I am sorry you missed grade school. Momma and Poppa musta needed you bad on the farm, huh?

>>36937856
>voter id laws
Lol. America is the only country where parts of it DONT have those i dont gove a shit about libshit rationalization voter id laws are common sense

>>36939367
>The entire concept of words is circular in the first place
If that was the case, then no one would understand anything.
>You use words to substitute the concept you want to convey in the first place. The word refers to the concept, synonyms to the same concept.
Yes. So when you want to define a word, you describe the concept. You do not provide a synnonym.

>>36939720
There we go again with all the "whitey be keepin' us down" talk.
Besides, it's fucking kikes who control most central banks in the world and they don't have much compassion for actual whites.

>bringing politics here

OP is a faggot

>>36939697
Actually, a lot of people all over the political spectrum hate Jews.
Blacks, whites, Muslims, Arabs, Jews are pretty poorly-regarded outside of the west.

>>36939746
>stop asking me for definitions
What I get from this is that you just want to appear smart and educated. You have no desire to actually engage in any kind of discussion, and I seriously doubt you are even capable of doing it.

>>36939730
Proof, please.

Oar rig anal

>>36938333
>be white guy
>smoke weed in basement and paranoidly sprays down room afterwards and drinks

>be black guy
>smoke weed outside walgreens while blasting music at 12am

really makes you think...

>>36939770
It's a FACT that white people hold the positions of power and control the vast majority of the money. That's not "whitey be keepin' us down" talk unless reality has a "whitey be keepin' us down" bias.

>Besides, it's fucking kikes who control most central banks in the world and they don't have much compassion for actual whites.
Stop with the "Jews be keepin' us down" talk!

>>36939698
pls forgive me i have autism

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>>36939788
>>36939788
>give definitions
>several other people give definitions
>"None of those are good enough, you're stupid"
>stop giving definitions
>"What, now you're giving up? You just want to prove you're smart"

Yeah, okay.

>>36937856
There shouldn't be one, as that argument is more than enough. You're a fucking retard.

>>36939805
Jews control the entire media though so when black ppl complain about the media they cant get mad at us....

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>>36939770
>complains about blacks giving a "whites r keeping us down " spiel
>"da joos r keeping us down!"

>>36939842
>give definition
>get response
>omg like u are totally stooopid cleetus, u can't even spell like totally, what do you mean i can't use a synonym, like language is totally subjective anyway

>>36939805
>It's a FACT that white people hold the positions of power and control the vast majority of the money
Name some powerful white people, you'd be surprised at how many of them are Jews.

>>36939805
I don't know why you're complaining, you literally want your race to rule the world, that's what you want. Tough shit, One group of people isn't just going to gift another group of people everthing they own just so you can feel less oppressed you piece of shit.

Think about how much altruism it took for the greatest superpower in the world to give up all their empires, all their slaves, and offer those people equal rights.

You should feel blessed that you can sit around posting on the internet, considering your people's position in the world hierarchy you've hit the fucking jackpot.

>>36939774
>Niggers are a political topic

Yes goy don't forget to vote Democrat and bring a friend too!

>>36939794
>>36939794
>be white guy
>live in suburbia, decent house, parents have reasonably high profile jobs
>grow up hearing about college and importance of grades and public records
>smoke weed in basement and paranoidly sprays down room afterwards and drinks
>be black guy
>grow up in shitty downtown area
>mom is a crackhead
>dad is a junkie and in prison
>mom's bf cheats on her and beats her
>college is never mentioned
>mom and bf fighting inside the house
>you're 16, nothing you can do
>decide to GTFO so you at least don't hear them scream
>leave all pissed off, invite your friend out
>smoke weed outside walgreens while blasting music at 12am
>fuck it

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>>36939061
>Actually outside of the bible there is no records of the jews being enslaved by Egyptians, even archeological evidence is absent.

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>>36939912
OMG you think I'm black. Holy shit dude

>>36939953
White privilege is being a planned baby with parents who care for you.

>>36939987
White privilege is thinking a person smokes weed outside a Walgreens at midnight because they have melanin in their skin and not because their life sucks.

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>>36939276
Came here to confirm. Only libcucks think no voter id is a good idea. It's not racist at all. I'm literally older than my country's democracy and the president has the most corruptions charges to his name and we still have voter ID.

>>36940067
Democrats are against the ID laws because they know niggers are lazy and if they have to get or show ID, it'll be too much of an obstacle and they just won't vote.

>>36940037
White privilege is having a good life because your family isn't niggers

>>36940067
You're not American. You have no idea what our racial history is like here. Centuries up to the present day of black men swinging from trees for trying to vote, poll taxes, Jim Crow, and hundreds of years of fighting in the streets just so they could shit in the same bathroom as a white person. My white grandfather got chased down in Arkansas in the '60s by a group of racist white guys waving baseball bats and guns just because he was part of the National Guard contingent that legally had to put them in the schools. You can think whatever the fuck you want but you have no idea what ANY of this means here.

>>36940101
That's fucking retarded. This better be a joke.

>>36940135
>muh opression
>muh white grandfattur
>muh history
Fucking idiot. Of course you have to be able to verify your identity for democracy to function properly. All your anecdotal shit is irrelevant.

>>36937856
>voter id laws
>niggers are so fucking lazy they can't go to the DMV

>>36940135
>and hundreds of years of fighting in the streets just so they could shit in the same bathroom as a white person
Nigger this country isn't even 300 years old.
Black people weren't even considered people until about 150 years ago.
It's been about a century and a half of fighting for equal rights, not some 800 year long war between a tyrant and an oppressed class.

>>36939243
canada has voter id laws
canada also has black people
nobody complains in canada
why are american democrats so retarded?

>>36937856
Is there any real argument to be made against deporting all blacks back to Africa other than "HURR RAYCIST"?

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>>36940135
Shut the fuck up you know jack shit about race

>30% (whites) control over 60% of wealth
>my garndfather literally got necklaced by white cops (look it up)
>my mom got hella stories of daily fucking racism including segregated school not generations ago but fucking less than 30 years ago


And here's the whopper

>spent ten years in the states

STFU, you do know that apartheid was the most racist political regime ever implemented?

>>36940226
You'd be deporting good citizens, along with the thugs and criminals. Also not everyone who's black is from Africa.

>>36940304
Thanks for that Anon, been a while since I've seen a good BTFOing.

>>36940164
Reality is more complex than your stupidly simplistic "but it's fair, stop being lazy" way of looking at shit. Other people deal with realities you've obviously dismissed, doesn't make it any less real, and the courts agree with me. Unless you know more than a sitting federal judge, I kindly suggest you shut the fuck up.

>>36940181
America not being officially founded until 1776 doesn't mean the 200+ years of colonial history before that didn't happen, Christ.

Pop quiz: When was the first slave rebellion in what's now the continental United States? I bet your first guess is off by 200 years.

>>36940135

If that were true(it's not btw), wouldn't coons be happy to get a voter ID? Black criminals being hanged means nothing, more white criminals were hanged than black. Blacks have always had an easy life in America, they just like to bitch for me gibsmedats. Even a fucking library card counts as voter ID. I know they can't get a driver's license because of the repeat DUIs, but anyone can get a library card. You literally walk in and they give you one for free.

>>36940037
Its not because i see this every night when i come come from work. Pasty emasculated marxists living in gated communities are ignorant to how the real world works
>>36939953
>fuck personal responsibility

>>36940304
if you hate it so much go back to your clown car of a continent

>>36940373
If someone has down syndrome and is too stupid to understand math, we shouldn't teach that person an incorrect version of math.
Likewise, if someone can't for whatever reason verify their identity we shouldn't let them vote because of muh raycism. There needs to be an ID requirement in place for democracy to work. Otherwise there is no way to prevent voter fraud.

>>36940423
He's TALKING about his own continent, stupid.
Reading comprehension.

>>36940394
>Blacks have always had an easy life in America
I hope this is bait.

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>>36940423
Who said I'm in the states you fuccboi. You realise *spent* is past tense. And Amerifags have NO leg to stand on when insulting other countries when pic related is your prezzie

>>36937856
1. It would be unbelievably expensive to determine who was descended from slavers and who was descended from slaves. In many cases, people will be descended from both.

2. Many of them on both sides will not be in the country anymore, are you going to end up warning a bunch of foreigners "hey your ancestors left the US but several generations before that they were slavers, so if you set foot here we'll bill you for it"?

3. It's effectively retroactive legislation. That is an unbelievably dangerous precedent to set and not something you want to infest your legal system with.

4. It's effectively generational punishment and just in general punishing people for shit they unquestionably didn't do. This is an even worse precedent only used by the shittiest regimes going that you shouldn't want to touch with a ten foot barge pole.

5. It would likely do more harm than good. There is evidence to suggest that handouts make people lazy and I have absolutely no doubt that it would massively worse race relations overnight. Every second white person would be signing up for the KKK and the blacks wouldn't be able to resist shaming whites and gloating about it.

6. How the fuck do you quantify it? Even if we accept that we're going to bill slaver's distant descendants, how do we determine which bits of the poverty of blacks are due slavery and which bits are their own personal responsibility? Are we supposed to just pretend there are literally zero cultural differences between them and whites and everything is due to slavery? I don't buy that.

7. This is probably the most important one: It flies in the face of the very basis of law. Once you establish that people can demand financial compensation for something that happened a hundred years ago and fucked over their ancestors, where the hell does that end? I could sue everybody for everything, there's no requirement of intent or even having committed a crime, only that it damaged by finances, even indirectly.

>>36940304
Yeah, I know about apartheid. But 10 years in the States versus 30+ years and a family that goes back to the founding of Jamestown gives me a bit of a better perspective on MY OWN COUNTRY than you. You can speak to your own shit but if you honestly come from apartheid South Africa and don't understand that calling it a "voter ID law" is racist double-speak for "finding ways to stop black people from voting, esp for Democrats" you don't know shit about the States, 10 years or not. Fuck's sake there are GOP strategists on tape confirming the "Southern strategy," it isn't fucking rocket science if you actually know this country.

But tell me again what an expert you are on America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ

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>>36937856
We already do, it's called food stamps and government assistance

>>36940483
Read the news today, this Russia shit is about to explode all over everything. He ain't OUR fucking president any more than the Pope is the head of ISIS. And he won't be there much longer anyway. :D

Enjoy Watergate Round II: Electric TrumpBTFO, motherfuckers.

>>36940483
not american or white you retarded nigger lol
whites are the only one who hates you apes

>>36940497
No one's arguing that there aren't people who want to use voter IDs for racist policies, we're arguing against the idea that voter IDs THEMSELVES are racist, which they aren't.
They're not racist in America or any other country.

>>36940497
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llDM-44Zb8w

if youtube vids count as evidence sure desu. My point was that however bad USA is SA is 100x worse and mofos who live on a dollar a day and are miles away from polls still get IDs, register and vote. It's probably harder for some rural white hicks in the states to get id than some black folk in the city.

Do black people not know how to register to vote?

>>36940541
>No one's arguing that there aren't people who want to use voter IDs for racist policies
Plenty of people in the thread arguing against just that, including you below.

>we're arguing against the idea that voter IDs THEMSELVES are racist, which they aren't. They're not racist in America or any other country.
See
>>36938855
These kinds of cases are happening all over the country. They take years to get through the court system. Wait 10 years, you'll see it if things don't fall to total shit before that.

>>36940540
nobosy said you're white you dirty ofay. Probably a self-hating cumskin irl.

>>36940629
clearly they do: >>36940577

>>36937856
Isn't this exactly what federal grants are? Plus blacks have an easier time getting into college. It's the same thing for being mexican which I have experience with personally. You can get tens of thousands of dollars just for being poor and nonwhite. If that isn't reperations I don't know what is. So many lower class kids have used that to shoot themselves into middle class instantly. What's the excuse for the ones that don't?

>>36940577
It's not "a youtube vid," it's the lead motherfucking strategist for the GOP and former chairman of the RNC caught on tape when he thought he was off-record confirming the racist policies and messaging he pushed for Reagan, Bush, and others throughout the entire '70s and '80s. Do you not know who Lee Atwater is? Fuck your man on the street video, this is real politics.

>mofos who live on a dollar a day and are miles away from polls still get IDs, register and vote. It's probably harder for some rural white hicks in the states to get id than some black folk in the city.
Yeah, you'd think so, but no. Buses in a lot of our cities fucking suck. Some of them don't really have any public transpo to speak of. It can take 5 hours to get across even a small town that would be considered a city in some rural states, c.f. Raleigh. Poor people can't afford to take time off, esp shift work, where they'll usually get fired for taking a day. So if you're one of those people, not only do you have to take an entire day off to go and vote in the first place, you have to take an entire day off to go to the DMV and get an ID. Or maybe two, depending on whether you had enough/the right documentation the first time. American bureaucracy is unbelievable, it really has to be experienced to be believed.

>>36940329
Maybe they should all be from Africa.

>>36940739
>>36940577
That being said, as I've said multiple times in this thread, it isn't like voter ID laws don't hurt white people too. It's mainly targeting poor people, it's just that in the US, being poor and black means you're worse off than being poor and white. So everybody gets fucked, but blacks get fucked the hardest. What else is new.

>>36937856
>voter id laws

is there ANYTHING more stupid niggers could moan and groan about? seriously, a fucking ID law is racist? only niggers can come up with this shit.

>>36940762
>poor and black
>get tons of free shit and free rides into middle class

>poor and white
>stay poor and white

Blacks have always had the easier life.

>>36940739
The dems have been caught on tape promoting voter fraud lol

>>36940852
Surprise, surprise, everyone in politics is fucked. Not the point.

>>36940802
>be poor and white
>have to ride transit with, shop with, and be around people that rich whites in gated communities told to hate you
T-thanks xir

>>36939953
>all black people live in ghettos
>hurr i dont see color
lol you realize 90s democrat ideals are considered racist by the left now, right? If you are actually white(fucking doubt it) and walking into brownsville saying this shit yiu would get yelled at or assualted. The modern left and the 90s left are vastly differnent
>fuck it
If he cant control his emotions he deserves to go to jail desu. I had a shit life (abusive parents/foster care/bullying/no firends/hunger) and upbringing and i never robbed anyone at gunpoint or stole anything but toilet paper from school

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>>36940997
>On r9k
>Wipes ass with toilet paper
I'm skeptical

>>36941057
Did you mean /r9k/? Fucking newfag.

>>36941057
... what are we assuming this robot wipes his ass with, Anon?

Genuinely curious.

>>36941131
Sorry. Lazy phone post
>/r9k/
Better fag?

>voter id laws
What stops african americans from getting an ID?

>>36941141
>Assuming he doesn't wipe, like a normal robot

>>36941258
read the thread faggot

all your questions will be answerd

>>36941299
and every argument has been BTFOd, including by 3rd world niggers who can even realise it's ridiculous.

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>>36941359
Nigga r u joking

that s africa guy got BTFO, he tried to respond to an honest to god political conspiracy w a MOTS vid

stay racist /pol/

>>36940642
>Wait 10 years
Didn't people say this exact same shit 10 years ago?