>largest pedo site on darkweb closed >hundreds of users

This was a very sad day
The good guys lost today

>>36834637
>The good guys lost today

The paedophiles?

>>36834698
Yes of course, you think I would be talking about the police?

I hate the fact that the government is attempting to censor some type of content.

I hate that they are pretending it makes a difference.

No, pedos do not rape kids because they saw child porn online. People who watch this stuff are expressing their sexuality the only way which could ever be possible for them, without touching children, why is that illegal?

No, child porn existing doesn't encourage the creation of child porn. That will always be illegal, as it should be. The reason it's illegal is because it's against societal morals, and for no other reason. It's illegal because it disgusts the people in charge - I don't believe that is good legal grounding for a law to be based.

The whole concept of "child porn" makes me disillusioned with the whole legal system. An arbitrary line drawn at 18, one side is demonized, the other one of the most popular categories of porn, I wonder why. You can find images of children's vaginas and penises online, legally, because they are "art". This isn't damaging to children of course. If those same images appear in different venues suddenly the production could land you 30 years in prison.

How do I see these people arrested today? People fighting against an unjust system, people who are being needlessly villanized by the legal system, by the public, people who haven't done anything - ANYTHING - wrong.

This is a sad day, for free speech, for open Internet, for our legal system, which should not be based off morals - morality has no place in law.

Regardless of how heinous of a crime sexual assault of a minor is, is it worse than murder? I can find images of children being murdered very readily online.

I'm rambling here. I hope you see my point.

>>36834809
Originally kys pedo

>>36834809
10/10 bait. I'm saving this for future shitposting and false flagging

>>36834809
man so many wrong statements... i guess lets go down the list
>No, pedos do not rape kids because they saw child porn online. People who watch this stuff are expressing their sexuality the only way which could ever be possible for them, without touching children, why is that illegal?
because sites like this open a market for the creation of this material
>No, child porn existing doesn't encourage the creation of child porn. That will always be illegal, as it should be.
wtf does this mean thats obviously wrong if you thought about it
>The reason it's illegal is because it's against societal morals, and for no other reason.
and because children can't give consent...
>It's illegal because it disgusts the people in charge - I don't believe that is good legal grounding for a law to be based.
come on nigga we both know the people in charge like child porn. if you actually know anything about child porn you would know that. its more correct to say child porn is illegal for blackmail by elites.
>The whole concept of "child porn" makes me disillusioned with the whole legal system. An arbitrary line drawn at 18, one side is demonized, the other one of the most popular categories of porn, I wonder why. You can find images of children's vaginas and penises online, legally, because they are "art". This isn't damaging to children of course. If those same images appear in different venues suddenly the production could land you 30 years in prison.
human sexuality is complicated and requires arbitrary limits. these laws SHOULD be constantly refined though.
cont

>>36834858
>How do I see these people arrested today? People fighting against an unjust system, people who are being needlessly villanized by the legal system, by the public, people who haven't done anything - ANYTHING - wrong.
>This is a sad day, for free speech, for open Internet, for our legal system, which should not be based off morals - morality has no place in law.
bait
>Regardless of how heinous of a crime sexual assault of a minor is, is it worse than murder? I can find images of children being murdered very readily online.
rape and sex slavery is obviously worse than murder... so yes.

>>36834809
> child porn should be illegal
> people should not be arrested for something illegal
What are you trying to say nigga?

>>36834846
Upboated my good sir eggs dee

Go back to red it, faggot

>>36834630
Good. The pedo spam on /tv/ was unbareable and just annoying. I hope they lock up that guy like in the copypasta.

>>36834864
no need for an argument, fucking kill yourself

Wew at least Lolita's playpen is still open

Did they arrest only people with exit nodes? Or all tor users are not safe now?

Playground rather

>>36834809
While your point seems convincing, these people CONSUME content made ABUSING CHILDREN.

>>36834809
They literally rescued 296 sexually abused children, fucktard.

>>36834946
The FBI kept the site open for 2 weeks after they seized it and put malware on the site which caught a decent amount of users who accessed it during that time

Tor is still safe for now, but won't be soon.

People who fuck with kids should be killed
t. chaz

>>36834972
>Tor is still safe for now, but won't be soon.
fuck off don't spread misinformation

>>36834698
Two points I want to add -

The first, I just want to expand what I mean when I say that morality has no place in law. Laws and morals are not the same. Laws exist so that people can live with a certain expectation of how people in society will respond to their actions, they are an insurance that you can make transactions and feel safe in public without worrying that you will be attacked or stolen from. Our children can go outside and we can have a reasonable expectation for their safety. They are a framework for how society should operate, how people should behave.

In this framework, people should be as free as possible to act as they want according to their moral code - and everyone's moral code is different, although society's morals are fairly defined by media.

It is society's moral code which dictates things such as acceptable ages for relationships, or socially acceptable content. You see people falling in love on high school romances. You see the princess marry her Knight in shining armor. Something which isn't "socially acceptable" Something which is immoral by society's standards should not be illegal as long as it doesn't disrupt the central purpose of laws - allowing people to live and work and make transactions with others as safely and securely as possible, such that people have confidence in their actions.

So, in ancient Greece, pederasty WAS morally acceptable. Their laws wouldn't have had issue with it. Today it is not, as our laws reflect. This is wrong - morality has no place in law.

Second, yes, the line is ARBITRARY. Why? Something which has never and could never hurt children, loli and other 2D characters, is illegal in some areas. Content which doesn't hurt children at all, let's say high school selfies, are most definitely illegal. Why is this? Let's not pretend like all CP is 7 year old children being raped.
Stuff that hurts children is bad. Consumption of content shouldn't be against the law. Ever. That's all I'm saying.

>>36834996
>The U.S. Supreme Court quietly approved a rule change that would allow a federal magistrate judge to issue a search and seizure warrant for any target using anonymity software like Tor to browse the internet.

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/constitutional-rights/fbi-labled-tor-browser-users-criminals/

The law was made and approved for this very case

>>36834961

And you consume the products of child labour.

>>36835022
sorry i meant don't spread misinformation that tor is currently safe to use.

>>36835022
>land of the free
>can't even have anonymous internet

>>36834809
Holy fucking shit, this is some great bait
That said I think 18 is sorta an arbitrary line
A guy who saves some high school sluts nudes isn't that bad
I mean I can legally FUCK a 16 year old so I see no ethical reason why I can't have their nudes

If they were serious about this, why would they even announce it instead of continuing their operation in dead silence?

They're probably just swaggering for promotions and now all the others producers will be extra careful

>>36834630
Yeah because all the newfags who can't handle pesos aren't the cancer. Enjoy your advertiser friendly shithole.

>>36835067
>If they were serious about this, why would they even announce it instead of continuing their operation in dead silence?

You can only run a honeypot for collecting, hosting, and distributing child pornography for so long before some ethics questions get raised.

Also the site owners and admins were arrested which is public record, so it's not like they would be able to keep the lid on it forever.

>>36835067
>instead of continuing their operation in dead silence
Most of the sites on the deep web have an external dead man's switch in case SHTF which sends out a notification to its users (mainly its distributors) that the site has been compromised and is now an FBI honeypot, so no they wouldn't have been able to run the site forever in "dead silence" because nobody is stupid enough to operate a site in dead silence

>>36834963
>>Reee stop liking what I don't like

More like
>Reee stop liking illegal degenerate shit you sick fuck

>>36834630
No it will increase in quality for normies.

>>36834630
One hundred fifty thousand users. There are more pedophiles around than I thought.

>>36835299
150k isn't that much. There are many, many more than that too

>>36834846
I'm not a pedo. The only thing I fap to is 2D trap shit actually (mystery meat et all), but that's ad homimem, not relevant to my post

>>36834858
>open a market for the creation of this material
material exists, whether we like it or not. do people kill others in gruesome ways just for it to be added to gore.net or whatever? No. Are you able to separate media from reality? Do you shoot people because of video games? How carnal is your sexuality, that it transforms your whole being, turns you into a mindless child rapist? You aren't a pedo, do you go out and rape Asians after seeing Asian content?

>requires arbitrary limits
to accomplish what exactly?
I agree with you that if the government was trying to legislate some moral claim then an arbitrary limit would be required, as it is. But let's say we wanted a system in which ANY people, of ANY moral code, could exist, without hurting children - what would you do? How would you legislate this?

My take - up till the age of 12 or so, children should be required to have a psychological evaluation twice a year. Those parents who are suspect of abuse, sexual or not, will be examined and monitored, at the very least taught good parenting guidelines.

Content should not be outlawed.

>>36834877
let me be more clear -
production of content which hurts kids, physically or mentally, should be illegal.
For obvious reasons. Our legal system aims to keep every individual, including children, safe from harm or abuse, sexual or otherwise.
Parents aren't allowed to burn their kids. Parents can't verbally abuse their kids. (daddyoffive)
Parents can't starve their kids.

Child porn, or filming an illegal act (sexual abuse of children) should be illegal. But that content should not be, what's done is done, we should aim to prevent it from happening.

(1/2)

>>36835381
Even Loli is illegal in many places. We need to restart society.

>>36835381
(2/2)
Tens of millions of dollars are spent every year on attempting to control the flow of information on the Internet. Attempting to legislate child porn out of existence. This is attempting to cover up a problem which will not go away. Whether or not child porn exists, people will sexually abuse children. Whether or not child porn exists, child rapists and molesters will exist.

The goal should be to get rid of sexual abuse of children. Child porn is a symptom, not the cause.

I hope that's more clear.

Now what should be done -
Cursory research indicates that there is some big money spent in this game. This money would be better spent funding CPS in the States, one of the most important agencies and one of the least funded, frequently suffering from budget cuts and overwork.

We've already seen from this case that sites such as playpen help police find and catch criminals quite a bit - these videos are often great pieces of evidence pointing towards where these criminals are located, among other things - the sites themselves have IP addresses stored of those who post content.

If someone were to post a bomb threat on /r9k/, what happens? We know exactly what happens - the police will come to your door.

this case has shown that tor is not secure - the identity of those who commit crimes can be found even through tor.

So - what should be done? People who hurt children should be arrested. The government has demonstrated they have the ability to do this. So why is consuming content which already exists a problem - not to mention the ~90% of CP in which children are not being hurt, or present at all (ie loli)?

The freedom of speech and freedom of flow of information is one of the cornerstones of our country. It's the first amendment. I feel people forget that sometimes - forget just how important it is. Content and media, OF ANY KIND, should not, SHOULD NEVER be against the law.
(2/3)

>>36835436
Trust me Tor is secure. You don't know what you're talking about in that regard.

>>36835381
>do people kill others in gruesome ways just for it to be added to gore.net or whatever?

In this case they do. They molest family members and other childeren close to them and share it for kicks. They literally do it for (you)s. And even if they didn't, it's fucking demeaning for a kid to know that perverts are fapping to the time their uncle touched them.

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>>36834809
Good pasta material, but you're revealing to much of your power level.

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>>36834630
That literally makes me sick. Fucking hell, I mean, look fellas, I'm a sick fuck online. Not depraved, mind you, but like, I'll say and sometimes do horrendous things.

But of all the things that I've said or done, child abuse makes me fucking sick. I mean, I could be biased, I have a lot of younger brothers, and my parents had a girl literally a month ago (They had me really young, so they're barely leaving child-rearing age... it's odd), but fucking hell man, child molesters should be fucking hung.

Now, my heart certainly goes out to pedophiles. It's an awful curse, I feel terrible for them. But, that being said, there's ways to not be around children. If I were a pedophile, I'd become a monk and lead my life in the Himalayas.

I know, I'm breaking the fourth wall. Idgaf, I get enraged when I see shit like this. Playpen? FUCKING PLAYPEN?! That's a sick fucking name. Yeah, let's create a torture site aimed at torturing black men called "The Plantation" or "Chiraq" or some shit. Even that's just funny.

How can anyone legitimately live with themselves after going to a site called "Playpen" where they watch kid's lives get ruined.

FUCKING HELL NECK YOURSELVES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>36835381
>material exists, whether we like it or not. do people kill others in gruesome ways just for it to be added to gore.net or whatever? No. Are you able to separate media from reality? Do you shoot people because of video games? How carnal is your sexuality, that it transforms your whole being, turns you into a mindless child rapist? You aren't a pedo, do you go out and rape Asians after seeing Asian content?
do you not get cause and effect? your questions about other "similar" situations aren't similar at all and don't make sense in the context of this conversation sorry.
also your idea about making everyone have psyche evaluations is dumb the government is never going to license children to have sex with adults.
the content doesnt exist in a vacuum its created somehow, and that somehow invovles the exploitation of people (minors) who can't consent. even if we agree that a 17 year old or a 16 year old could feasibly consent to sex with an adult, which i agree is possible, that isn't typically what we mean when discussing child porn, and it doesnt mean that the arbitrary limit should be brought down just so that some faggot somewhere can masturbate to his fetish of 16 or 17 year old "jailbait", a fetish only created through the setting of arbitrary limits.
the limits are in place to protect younger children, not just sexually advanced teenagers who might not (or might, whatever) understand yet the ramifications of their actions.

>>36835488
>Trust me Tor is secure. You don't know what you're talking about in that regard.

Have you been following the news? The FBI can now arrest you for using tor

>>36835502
Thank you for this post.

- 4chan team and advertisers

>>36835508
Bullshit where is your source for that claim?

>>36835526
Yeah, fuck me for having the opinion 99.9999% of society has.

Let me put it to you legitimate robots this way. I know there's not a lot of you, but fuck it, you exist. I think.

You can't get girls. You're socially awkward, and you'll probably end up a Grand Wizard.

Why wish that fate upon someone else?

>>36835531
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11604112
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/constitutional-rights/fbi-labled-tor-browser-users-criminals/
https://themerkle.com/fbi-can-obtain-a-warrant-if-you-run-tor-come-december/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4id73g/fbi_can_obtain_a_warrant_if_you_run_tor_come/
You can google "FBI can now arrest you if you use tor" and find more sources

>>36834809
This is bait of outstanding quality.

>>36834809
You're sick. Quit trying to rationalize your desire to abuse kids.

Daily reminder that pedos have no place in a sane society and need to be locked away and left to be dealt with by prisoners like the vermin they are.

If you don't know the words "lascivious exhibition of genitals or the pubic area" by heart, then you don't know what you're talking about and you don't belong here.

>>36834630
the international arrests don't matter because they're gonna go to jail where being a pedo is normal mudslime behavior. when i see other whitemen arrested for such a degenerate crime then they deserve every prison beating they get.

Alright, I'm just going to leave the thread before I get too angry.

Let me repeat what I said above. My heart truly goes out to those afflicted with this curse. However, if you fucking abuse kids, you should be sawed in half from the crotch up.

Find help. Go abstinent, from porn as well. It's something you'll have to deal with for the rest of your life. But, I'll speak for society in saying, you're an unsung hero if you're a pedo and never lay a hand on a child. I can't imagine the torture that living your life like that is.

Anyways, bye fellas.

>>36835408
>Even Loli is illegal in many places. We need to restart society.
Society doesn't need to restart my friend, it needs to be fixed, something we can do.

It starts by changing people's mentality. Changing people's perception. There's a disgust for those who like children, people who can't help but like children, this isn't their fault. Many people who would never dare hurt a child are pedos. What would people like the guy below do to them? Kill them?

We can see this happening already, as society leaves the moral grounding of religion behind, those who don't fit into its dichotomy of acceptable and unacceptable relationships or content are slowly being accepted. We need to be tolerant, even of those who are different from us, like different things, attracted to that we find disgusting.

Many people have the opinion that society's morals are set in stone, that such a feat is impossible. That is not true, it has happened before and will happen again.

>>36835488
I understand the technology behind tor is very well developed, very secure, but you cannot honestly call it safe when stuff like this story exists. Admit it, tor has been compromised

>>36835562
I want to remind you of something anon - those who deserve our empathy the least are the ones who need it the most.

I am not a pedo.

>>36835612
I agree, you think anyone at all disagrees with that?

People who abuse children deserve jail time, you think that anything other than that could possibly be a rational opinion?

What's your point?

>>36835612
Anon it's exactly because of people like you that child porn laws exist.

You are too angry to think. THINK. What is the problem here? Is it the porn or is it the people?

Why do you have a problem with content in which no children are hurt or abused?

>>36835556
I suggest you read the comments on the reddit thread you linked also those are pretty lame sources can't believe you even gave me that crap.

>>36835562
You're the one who sounds insane mate.

>trolls trolling trolls retardation
Every 13 yr old reddit visitor.

>>36835666
>Why do you have a problem with content in which no children are hurt or abused?
>child porn

>>36835678
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2MIKX5VVd8

>>36835676
>I suggest you read the comments on the reddit thread you linked also those are pretty lame sources can't believe you even gave me that crap.
There were dozens of sources; I just copypasted the first 4. You chose to click on the reddit one and took the comments as fact from a bunch of pseudo intellectuals

>>36835666
>>36835678
I think hes talking about softcore porn. the pervert is okay with softcore child porn.

>>36835678
Just repeating your lines there retard?

>>36835678
Good point anon

>two 14 year olds consensually having sex
>child porn

>15 year old having sex with his 23 year old gf
>child porn

>doujinshi of 16 year old boy getting a blowjob from his mother
>child porn

>>36835689
Those were models, not child porn "stars." It's a thin line in some people's eyes but you know for a fact that when people hear child porn they mean penetration or sexual acts

>>36835710
If it wasn't child porn then why did people go to prison for breaking child porn laws? I'm not arguing about whatever stupid definition of child porn exists in your head, I'm arguing about the actual definition of child porn in the laws that are enforced.

>>36835702
Yes two 14 year olds making a consensual sex video is abuse. Not the content of the video itself, but the distribution of the video.
You wouldn't fuck a 14 year old because they're too young to consent to sex with an adult. So for that reason we don't let them do porn either. Imagine if you had a daughter and some perv was distributing photos of her for other pervs to jack off to.

I don't think teens are on the same level as little kids being abused, but it's still wrong.

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>>36834966
Great, now the modern system can psychologically abuse them into conformity!

Either way, you're going to suck someones dick, whether its a physical man or an abstract state its essentially the same status.

>>36835691
Your sources are a joke dumbass. If this was true there would be more on it than your breitbart tier trash, Tor is fucking huge. Commonsense just tells me you're wrong.

And even if you weren't which you are Tor would still be the best thing we have. the feds also use Tor.

>>36835689
>2 random girls say they were okay with modeling in swim suits
>this means that the hundreds of girls and boys which are raped by uncle touchy are okay with it

This is stupid fucking evidence to support your claim. Want to see videos of people forgiving murderers too? Does that mean that all murderers should be forgiving because a small minority forgives them

>>36835753
>Your sources are a joke dumbass
Okay if you don't like the sources I provided then you're more than welcome to google the claim and find whichever special niche news service you use. Like I said, I merely copypasted the first 4. Just because you don't agree with the facts doesn't make them any less true.

>>36835700
Please read my posts and understand my argument. I'm arguing for a libertarian principle here, try to understand that what I'm arguing for is simply the government not interfering where they have no place.

You know what would be disgusting? Some fat guy masturbating to pics of children online. This will happen whether legal or illegal. You can search for "kindergarten class photos" right now and jack off to them.

No anon, I am not a pervert by any means, what use does calling me that have? Make an argument against me instead of insulting me.

and while I am not "fine" with hardcore child porn existing, there is not a single reason the government should attempt to legislate it to hide it from the American public.

You are the pervert here. I bet you think about all the children being raped off camera and it gets you hard. But once it's on camera, it's a problem, right? People can't know that stuff like that ACTUALLY HAPPENS.

No, we want to hide it, right?

>>36835731
Can you please explain your thoughts?
I would just like to let you know that in your moral framework, having photos of ciara is illegal - is that correct?

>>36835766
You're inventing terrible scenarios in your head to justify sending innocent people to prison. How does sending photographers to prison do anything to stop rape? How does sending people to prison for looking at pictures of children do anything to stop rape? How does sending people to prison for having consensual sex do anything to stop rape?

>>36835787
There are no good sources for your retarded claim idiot. I live in this space.

>>36835817
>There are no good sources for your retarded claim idiot. I live in this space.
More like there's no sources that are telling you what you want to hear.

>>36835813
Also dumb people don't realize how much suffering is caused by their "justice". The united states justice system hurts more people and families than the criminals they torture.

>>36835731
I would really like to understand your thoughts on this anon -

Should having any photos of ciara be illegal for anyone?
Should having ANY photo of ciara be illegal for adult men?
Should having ANY photo of ciara be illegal, if explicitly for the purpose of masturbation?
Should having lewd photos of ciara be illegal for the purpose of masturbation?
And now, what about nude photos?
And photos of her engaging in sexual acts?


In these above scenarios there is no victim. Nobody is hurt, nobody is abused.

Please explain your thinking here.

>>36835817
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/fbis-quiet-plan-begin-mass-hacking
There, is tor's blog good enough for you?

How about the actual acts themselves?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/5321
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2952

Those good enough for you?

Or do you want your mommy to come and tell you it herself because you don't trust anybody

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>Be Canadafag
>2D lolis and shotas can get you thrown in jail
>child porn was legalised for a short while because a provincial supreme court judge ruled child porn laws in all forms violated the child fuckers freedom of expression rights in the Charter
>Supreme Court of Canada heard the case and overturned the ruling but ruled the CP law language was too broad and shot down the written representative parts of the laws
>But also ruled that 2D / virtual drawings can still be considered a "person".
>tfw could write stories about child fucking and not go to prison but 2D drawings can put me in jail longer than a murderer.

Sometimes I hate my fucking country.

>>36835791
It's a pretty natural sequence of events

it's wrong to fuck a 14 year old because they're not mentally mature enough to fuck an adult yet > it's wrong to allow a 14 year old to do porn because that has far reaching consequences on their life. Hence we should aim to curtail the distribution and consumption of it.

Having a photo of Ciara clothed is not illegal. Having a nude photo of her would likely be illegal. You can argue that it's a bad law, but that is the law.

>>36835829
Are you really this stupid post a single reputable source for your claim its not that hard dipshit. How about you accept your retarded ass is wrong and piss off?

>>36835874
>>36835859
Eat shit, fuck face.

If tor's blog and the actual bills themselves aren't proof enough for you then you are too dense to be alive.

>>36835863
So thankful it's legal here. I don't look at cp so I'd lose my mind without it

>>36834809
As soon as I saw this thread I knew there would be at least one retard who would be upset and defending the pedophiles

And yet I'm still amazed at what a dipshit you are

>>36835863
Of all things to be pissed off at canada for, you choose this? Your PM is a literal globalist puppet hell bent on destroying your country economically, culturally, and socially; taxing the shit out of everybody until they're dirt poor; and selling everything to the chinese causing all of your houses to cost 10x more than they should.

>>36834809
>No, child porn existing doesn't encourage the creation of child porn.

Moralfagging aside, do you not see how that statement directly goes against supply and demand?

>>36834630
Those numbers are pretty pathetic, at least if it was as big as they're saying it was and incompetent LE aren't just puffing the statistics up.
Step it up, Hansen

>>36835859
>>36835880
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-congress-idUSKBN13P2ER

You eat shit, its not like how you're making it seem you dense shit eating autistic fuck.

>>36835885
The Canadian case was pretty interesting desu.
If the Canadian Charter was absolute (well, even the US constitution has limitations) similar to the US constitution. CP would be fully legal in Canada because the Court ruled that CP laws violated freedom of expression under Canadian law, but since our constitution allows justified limits on those rights the laws were upheld.

>>36835914
I'm angry about a lot of things. All the 3 parties are the same (to an extent). So there's no winning on any of that.
But you sound like you get your news and ideas from pol so I don't know how I feel about your opinions.

>>36835951
Isn't it funny how pirating movies hurts the movie industry, but pirating child porn somehow sustains the child porn "industry"?

>>36835951
The demand is hardwired into the human brain though
Also a good portion of the artificial demand comes from the huge illegal profits and forbidden fruit complex

>>36835972
You are legitimately retarded. I hope you know that. You need to put a bullet in your head right now and kill yourself. You are a waste of breath and a detriment to the gene pool.

Please, muster whatever brainpower your few brain cells can muster and try to fire some synapses in that thick skull and read this, the TITLE OF THE ARTICLE YOU GAVE ME
>FBI to gain expanded hacking powers as Senate effort to block fails
The senate attempted to BLOCK it but it FAILED. ERGO it passed.

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>>36835863
>But also ruled that 2D / virtual drawings can still be considered a "person"
fucking lol canada

>>36835978
>But you sound like you get your news and ideas from pol so I don't know how I feel about your opinions.
Even if I (hypothetically) did get it from /pol/ is anything I said really incorrect?

>>36836001
America's laws are the same they're just never enforced. No one reads them but pedophiles anyway.

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>tfw you just fapped to a child rape doujin

>>36835994
You still need to be suspected of a crime and have a warrant served. Your ISP isn't reporting your Tor usage to the feds and then you get a knock on the door. This is why you failed at life, ignorant and overly confident. Become a politician it suits you.

>>36836031
That in no way proves that you are not indeed retarded. Your ONLY argument was "Your sources aren't valid because they don't agree with me" and your ONLY counter source actually disproved you because you are too lazy and stupid to read it.

>You still need to be suspected of a crime and have a warrant served.

Lol are you really this naive? Never mind you're just stupid as you've proved time and time again.

>>36834809
Them continuously visiting the site and keep it alive will only result in more cp being produced to satisfy them

>>36835863
See, this is my main issue. There are no winners in the war to censor the Internet

>>36835871
I'm very curious about one aspect of your post - these consequences you talk about, what are they?

You are talking about social consequences, that which are implied by our societal morals.

Even among Western society these are not standard. Europe is known to be much more liberal with nudity than the US. There are pictures of Merkel nude, such a thing would severely impact Hillary.

So teenagers in Finland might have a different reaction to nudes of their peers than teenagers in Oklahoma. Employers as well.

Law has no place in attempting to legislate morality, something I've been saying this whole thread. 100 years from now people might live till 200 and 25 year olds might not be seen as mature enough to have sexual interaction. The legal system should not aim to enforce the societal opinion of morality on the public, do you understand my point here?

So, these consequences she *may* face are of no concern to the law in this country.

Note that there are controls in place preventing a teenager from making bad decisions. Her parents. Her school. The media. Ciara's parents have chosen to give her enough space in parenting such that she considers the pros of taking a nude selfie to outweigh the consequences of doing so (none of which apply to her, might I add)

Another thing - the quintissential issue in public policy, why can't we legislate crime away?
Does making something illegal cause it to not exist? Ciara isn't allowed to take nudes, she produced CP, isn't that illegal? Why did that happen?

Now, with this in mind, please explain why it is wrong for a 14 year old to do porn.
>>36835896
I'd love to hear your opinion on my posts.

>>36836047
Lmao keep exaggerating what I'm saying and outright lying to try to make yourself not look like a moron. its pathetic.

Practically nothing has changed with that law as I feel like I've read articles where the FBI has already done shit like this. You're the moron who didn't read the article. You can't comeback from this sorry.

>>36834809
>I hope you see my point.

I can see your a 3D fag kys

>>36834809
Literally, and I mean literally, kill yourself.

>>36835871
I lost my virginity at 14 and felt pretty emotionally ready for that. Being 26 now I am sure that I was mature enough to understand whatevet higher ideas are children expected not to grasp since I was 12 and so did many people I know. Just because some children are retards, and this is a fitting term, doesn't mean you should impose arbitrary rulings on all of them. Like the other anon mentioned, psych eval is the way to go. Also not interested in kids but astounded by how poorly made the law is (see how crossing state to have sex with your long distance partner, if you are both past the age of consent but they are below the age of majority is considered child sex tourism and will get you screwed).

>>36836103
You, obviously, did not read the article because you used it as YOUR ARGUMENT and it DISPROVED YOU.

Attempting to turn the tables and trying to get in the last response won't change anything you said. You can go back and reread your posts and see that I am not exaggerating at all.

An argument is not won by getting the last reply in, which you seem to be attempting with your half assed replies. You were proven wrong. You lost. Learn to be an adult and accept that I taught you something today, heavens knows you need someone to teach you.

Until you can come up with a sourced, and valid counter argument like I presented to you, I have won, you have lost. Any further replies to me which do not contain those will be considered asspain and damage control which I will not justify with a (you)

>>36836134
Do you make posts like this and think "I am morally and logically in the right"?

>>36836148
Holy shit you turbo Autist you said the FBI can hack you for using Tor. That's blatantly incorrect according to reputable sources.

I don't know what to say, you're mentally retarded.

>>36836173
You also said they could arrest you, who is also incorrect. Simply using Tor does not let the FBI hack or arrest you. Where is your handler?

>>36836031
You need a warrant to get a knock on the door. You get yourself that by your ip being found as tor is being actively monitored. At least the most well known sites and honeypots because only that pays off.

>>36836212
No ur dumb. Read the actual law or a reputable news source such as: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-congress-idUSKBN13P2ER

>>36835951
I would argue the opposite!

It's because of child porn laws that demand has INCREASED!

How is this possible? For the same reason which many teenagers now smoke marijuana before ever trying cigarettes, if at all - the taboo aspect exacerbates whatever demand there would be. Is it not the human nature to do this? The forbidden fruit will always be desired.

Why are cigarettes not in vogue among teenagers anymore? Education on the effects. People know what it does, what it causes.

The taboo aspect of child porn could very well be one of the few things which propel it.

In my teens, I downloaded tor once. I was looking for the dark side of the net, the scary side, the edgy side. I was looking for that which I couldn't have.

Hundreds of thousands of people found exactly that on playpen.

When I engage in study of some public policy, it's important to start with an open mind - you might find that the obvious, intuitive solution to some problem isn't always the correct one.

>>36836076
people who will want to rape children, will rape children. This is a hard fact to swallow. People who will do such a thing exist. People who will want this content also exist. At least 150,000 of these people were on playpen.

Forcing these people to go through channels like tor makes it harder to catch them. I want to remind you - there are many child rapists out there still producing videos all over the dark net.

No matter how hard you attempt to legislate this issue away they will exist. We are losing the war on CP. And who is being affected the most? The 21 year old who saved some teens nudes, the otaku who saved loli, the pedo who was trying to healthily jack off.

>>36836134
>Literally, and I mean literally, kill yourself.
You, my friend, are part of the problem.
Child porn is popular because of people like you.

Don't make it about me. Don't think about me. Consider my argument.

Get fucked pedophiles.
I haven't been happer since 2004

>>36836212
He's a literal mouth breather. I completely proved him wrong (hell he proved himself wrong because he's a jackass), and he refuses to accept it. Don't waste your time. He's trying to damage control his autism.

>>36836243
what happened in 2004?

>>36836244
You cannot be arrested or hacked for just using Tor. Listen to your wrangler dipshit.

>when you get proved wrong and just double down
lmao

>>36836262
I graduated college and went on a 4 day drinking spree spending all my leftover college funds. Got in a fight with a drunk and broke his nose, my arm got shanked by some glass pieces.
Good times.

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>>36834630
>tfw if anyone ever finds out about the loli stuff I'll just slit my throat without a second of hesitation
and I doubt people will feel bad for me so it's a win/win

>>36836295
Not going to take a few people with you on your way out?

CP is disgusting like 90% of the time, full of non hygienic, disgusting, dirty fingernail, yeasted shit.

the only time it was ever even close to done right was in a professional environment, but hey outlawed it, driving it underground, which was a bigger mistake in my opinion.

the exploitation will keep continuing, it's a literal war on drugs. if you keep fighting it rather than solving it, eventually every single prison will just fill up to capacity.

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>>36834809
I wish I could strangle you to death.

>>36836320
>if you keep fighting it rather than solving it, eventually every single prison will just fill up to capacity.
I mean.... the only people who care about pedos are other pedos.... would it really be that bad to just shoot them in the head upon sentencing? Not even liberals would miss them

>>36836318
don't live in US so noguns and too lazy to invest in home made explosives

can't get a good highscore with a stupid knife

>>36836271
You can for accessing monitored sites with illegal content.

>all that time and effort
>save 55 kids
Is it really worth it?

>>36836330
>instantly tries to paint me as a pedo, my first post in the thread

okay, if you ever viewed anything under age, or a loli hentai, i get to shoot you in the head without trial, sound good to you?

>>36836352
see>>36836330
>upon sentencing

>>36836337
if you're in the EU just travel to a country with more lenient laws or something like that, I believe in you anon

>>36836364
what's the difference? why does the difference matter here?
>inb4 know it all bullshit comes my direction

>>36836295
Im pretty sure at least some of my family has seen my loli
I also have it mixed with other 2d stuff from a huge range of tastes so I think they just think its an anime perv thing and not exclusively pedophilia

>>36836350
>bruh we only saved 55 lives

>>36836376
>what's the difference? why does the difference matter here?
Sentencing comes from a trial. Idk if that's too "know it all" for your taste. I can try to speak in grunts if you'd like, maybe that'll be more your speed

>>36836346
and if you actually know what you're doing their pathetic exploits won't do anything since they're never for Tor anyway just the browser and they usually require shit that a security conscious individual would have disabled also even if it was some amazing exploit you got user level access to a VM that can only speak through Tor and anything you try to do will disappear once I shut the thing off. Smart people are still safe so its okay.

>>36836392
>starts being condescending after he ignored my question
okay i can see we're done here, lol.

>>36836330
The most popular age in porn is 18, which just happens to be the youngest age legally allowed. Isn't that a funny coincidence.

>>36836337

Just rent a big truck like the religion of peace does

>>36836400
>answers your question
>"You ignored my question"
Dammit I should've tried the grunts. Oh well, have a nice life

>>36836330
>...
Get the fuck out of here you fucking faggot

>>36834809
There's a special place in hell for you swine

>>36836387
30 kids die every minute.

>>36836417
i said, "sound good to you?" you never responded to that. then i asked, "whats the difference here?" then you said something about grunts.

and you're repeating the grunt thing again, so that just shows me you want to have an insult contest, which is understandable.

It's one of the great injustices of humanity.

Like youth bring wasted on the young, sexual attractiveness has worn off long before the age at which girls are large enough not to dlit when fucked hard. I've tried to get hard to women if five years or older but no dice. It's an awful hassle to clean the sheets when your lover bursts, particularly if you're up the wrong 'un.

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>>36835951
Just wanna make something clear -

We cannot truly know the effects of making child porn illegal without engaging in a rigorous study of it, and for various reasons I don't think it's possible, nor do I think one already exists, although I haven't looked into the literature.

Even if some statistics could be found for child porn demand in countries with and without enforceable legal restrictions on it, somehow controlling for that society's interest in children, I am not sure such statistics could even be applicable here

One thing I know for sure is that we are supposed to have a free country. One which protects our right to free speech, protects our right to freedom of expression.

I feel very strongly that censorship of any kind violates this.

Can we all agree with me on that?

>>36836295
I will feel bad for you. People like
>>36836243 will not.

Even those we consider the lowest in society need our compassion, I cannot emphasize that enough. People hate pedophiles (I'm not sure if you consider yourself one, just assuming), even if they haven't done anything wrong except exist.

The argument could be made that even a passive demand for it allows for its existence, and thus pedophilia should be outlawed - life, in general, is damaging. There are bigger battles to be fought, this one makes people feel good.

>>36836330
I am a liberal, if it wasn't obvious enough by my position of tolerance

>>36836350
And consider, if that amount was spent on child protective services, how many more kids could live meaningful lives.

I'm pretty damn sure it's gonna be more than 55.

>>36836422
I know, I know. Get it out of your system.

Is anyone even reading my 7 or so 2000 character posts

I'm going to sleep desu

Please don't hate people who haven't done anything wrong

>>36836449
When are you go into apologize for your tard moment? I'm waiting.

Cunt is for fucking.

It doesn't matter how old it is.

It has a purpose and it should be fulfilled.

The same people who dribble about "pedos" complain about so-called "rape".

Do you ask a pig if it wants to be bacon or sausage? Of course not, a cunt is there to be fucked.

>>36836350

I'd say taking down 25 US producers of CP and 51 US-based abusers will prevent many more children from suffering.

>>36836479

From "suffering" orgasms?

Right.

>>36836463
I am and I've been saving them for future bait posting.

>>36836463
Goodnight anon, godspeed

>>36836479
>muh children! muh morals!

This place becomes more advertiser friendly everyday. You people are pathetic.

>>36834809
If there are people consuming it then there is a market for it and if there is a market for it it will be produced, the fact you think a nude picture of an underage person in a medical or scientific context is the same as raping them on camera says it all.

>>36836502
>>36836527

Calm down, libfags are trying to normalize your pedophile ways because the slippery slope is real when it comes to degeneracy. In a couple more decades you will be free to openly pursue your lifestyle and call anyone who disagrees a pedophobic bigot.

>>36836544
fuck off nigger, and take your morals with you

>>36836544

Little bumholes need loving too.

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>>36836465
>When are you go into apologize for your tard moment? I'm waiting.
What
What is my tard moment?

posting an anime image so conservatives scream about otaku being pedos

>>36836479
I would agree, this was a good thing that happened.
But passive consumers of some content should never be a victim here.

Those who monetarily support CP being produced, most definitely should be imprisoned.

Those who stumble upon it on the dark net, the so called "casual consumer"? No. They shouldn't be demonized.

The, let's say, "active consumer" - someone who posts on CP forums, comments on the videos?

I am not sure, what do you guys think?

I think it could be construed that such people actively support the creation of child porn.

Especially in a situation such as playpen when content is actively being produced for some market, then the story becomes a lot more clear. Even more so if comments were egging such content on, requesting content. Regardless of monetary support or not - a lot of things like this are done regardless, simply for passion, a fuck you to the government - those people should be imprisoned, yes.

But what of the active consumer on some third party content aggregation site, the Reddit of child porn? I am not sure.

>>36836534
There is a market for it, yes. There is a market for weed as well. There is a market for meth.

Has it disappeared? Is it gone after today?

>>36836511
I suppose that's a good thing, what do you think about my posts? It seems you disagree, can I ask why?

I am for one thing and one thing only - the destruction of the censorship of the web. Such laws will always be bent to oppress those who aren't liked by greater society, you know, the otaku, the nerdy loner.

>>36834972
It's fucking over lads.

It's just not worth it.
A discord server feel safer than this shit

>>36834630
Fuck, it makes me worry now.

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>>36836630
>tainting Sakurako with your pedofaggotry

>>36836630
Like that wasn't you, you can't convince me nigger.

>>36836630
>I suppose that's a good thing, what do you think about my posts? It seems you disagree, can I ask why?

I don't disagree with your overall message. I think you make a lot of valid points regarding that topic, and you are obviously very passionate about it.

But I also draw a hard line at illegal content which harms others. While I do agree that privacy is important, I simply cannot support the springboard is based on your platform.

>>36834630
How'd they get caught? I thought ~muh deep webs~ were anonymous?

>>36834871

>rape is worse than murder

kill yourself roastie

>>36836676
The site owner accidentally revealed his real IP, a "european police force" (Most likely NSA) informed the FBI, the FBI was able to track him down, seize his shit, then turned the site into a honeypot and installed malware in the pedo's computers.

>>36834809
This is the John Milton of shit posting.

By the time children reach puberty their orifices are too wide and too muscularly flabby to provide a truly stimulating environment for an erect penis. Equally from the child's point of view, they will not truly appreciate the joy of being penetrated and to feel a penis moving inside them once they have become "nature". A little splitting/tearing is perfectly normal and indeed provides both lubrication and stimulus.

>>36836676
Google it you dumb nigger.

A lot of moralfags on /r9k/ methinks.

I want to explain the last thing I said -

Laws which aim to censor or control some content or substance, like CP or weed, will NEVER be able to be effectively enforced for the entire population.

Case 1 -
father of two children lives in rural Oklahoma. Records himself fucking child. Sends to his friend in new York over encrypted protocol.

This is production and distribution of child porn, and CANNOT effectively be enforced.

This is sexual abuse - which SHOULD be enforced. Now what if distribution of CP was legal? First - the law knows of the EXISTENCE of abuse - step one. Second - the law may attempt to rectify this, the FBI can work on finding him.

Imagine the pride you felt in the FBI finding these 55 children today - you could feel it everyday. Sexual abuse of children is a DAILY occurrence, I assure you.

Case 2 - ciara
eliza took nudes and either she or a member of her cult posted them on r9k. They exist in the archives. Although this is both production and distribution of child porn, it CANNOT be enforced. Are we all complicit in this crime? Are we all consumers of child porn because of this?

So what happens to laws which cannot reliably be enforced for the whole public?

They are disproportionately enforced - towards those that society does not like.

For drugs this tends to be black people - for cocaine, conviction rates of African Americans are 10x higher than for whites, although we know that the rate of consumption of cocaine is almost identical for both races! The law is disproportionately enforced on one group - why is this? Well who do you think takes cocaine?

http://cbldf.org/criminal-prosecutions-of-manga/

OTAKU are being imprisoned for the possession of manga. This sounds stupid. This is not a joke.

This is happening, and its happening because of censorship laws in media - a good idea, with a horrible implementation.

>>36836670
Not sure who you are referring to

(1/2)

(2/2)
>>36836675
lol, "very passionate".
I suppose it would come across that way, I honestly haven't given a lot of thought to this until today. I mean I always thought of censorship in any form as something which violates the first amendment. It is sad more people don't see that.

It's simply unnecessary - some action being illegal is enough, media of such action doesn't need to be illegal, it could be detrimental to the initial purpose. We do not need to protect society from media.

The Internet is something which is very important to me. I grew up here. More and more I feel that, slowly, piece by piece, the free Internet which once was is being dismantled.

I understand your position, but the definition of "harms others" is not as straightforward as it may seem, which I don't have time to address... should have slept hours ago... I got finals coming this week, fuck

And an open Internet benefits people more than they might suspect. Such a thing would be a very powerful tool in catching these types of criminals.

Consider the following -
We are all aware of the death of an old black man, at the hands of a criminal who forced the man to say "Joy Lane" before killing him. Steve Stephens.

Murdering someone in cold blood is reprehensible - threatening to kill people is as well.

If all threats were banned - if making threats

Ok I don't know where I was going with that goodnight

>>36836836
>CANNOT effectively be enforced
The fact that they're forced into the undergound is a good thing. And clearly todays article shows that the fbi can and will enforce the law.

>>36837334
>fact they are forced into the underground is a good thing

first of all who are you talking about here, child molesters? Absolutely not a good thing. Hiding their abuse is what we want to prevent from happening.

Or are you talking about pedophiles who do nothing but watch porn, like you?
Why? Just because you don't like them?

>can and will
sure, they got 51 "hands on abusers".
how many weren't caught?
Imagine how much better they could and would enforce the law if the pedos were front and center in the American media. If people were able to get as up in arms about this as they were about "daddy of five".

>>36834809
>55 children successfully identified or rescued
>296 abused children identified or rescued internationally
>why is that illegal?
Yiu fucking mong kys.

does it count as CP distribution if you took hella nudes with family cameras as a little kid and sent them to a qt on 4chan in hopes of getting laid

>>36837970
Were they actually abused or were they "abused"?

>>36838468
yes
ztcdughbiu8zi

>>36834809
It makes me smile to see that there are pasta creators of such skill honing their craft on this very board. Do you feel morally conflicted when you post something like this, or do you view it as art and divorce yourself from the repugnance of the content?

I feel bad for pedo comrades
It's not fucking fair to have such urges, then they can throw you in jail for having stored mere pixels on your computer.
It's sick.

>>36838935
>repugnance of the content
this is reddit this is memes this is reddit this is memes this is reddit this is memes this is reddit this is memes this is reddit this is memes this is reddit this is memes this is reddit this is memes this is reddit this is memes

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>>largest pedo site on darkweb closed
>>hundreds of users being arrested
I've noticed a drop in pedoposting

>>36839044
Did you not get their post?

>>36835502
Thanks for the post normie

>>36834630
Great a bigger strain on my tax dollars rehabilitating these butt fucked kiddos
Just put them up to the firing squad and be done with it

>playpen closed
>over 215000 accounts
>898 arrests
>literally less than half percent
huge win, everyone

>>36839595
I think their main focus was the people producing the content rather than those viewing it.

>>36839651
nope, they nabbed anyone that viewed their specially crafted links.

>>36839741
and even then they were only able to get those that used tor browser on windows

>>36839766
Yeah they should've just done nothing.

>>36835502
respect
oringinal

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>>36834809
Nice bait

[s]Oregamomazimus[/s]

>>36834630
my housemate literally got arrested during this raid lol.

>>36841294
What was he like? Did you know he was doing it?

>>36841398
got him off craigslist, only lived in the house for three months maybe.

another housemate thought that he might've been a gay prostitute because of high volume of "boyfriends" coming over.

he seemed like a normal gay dude, but i guess it doesn't surprise me.

degeneracy is degeneracy.

came home right after the police/whomever finished the raid, they took his dog!

>>36841513
>came home right after the police/whomever finished the raid, they took his dog!
>OFFICER WAIT
>It wasn't ME I SWEAR
>It was my DOG
>Hmmm idk sarge we should take the mutt in for questioning too

>>36834809
If there's a demand for child porn, there's also a pressure for production of new porn, which in turn does abuse children. That's just how it is in our capitalist system of supply and demand.

Drawn and 3D rendered should be the only legal types of child porn.

>>36841879
Why do you think that making child porn abuses children?

>>36835299
>around
These are only the ones who know about the deep web and are good enough with computers to not chicken out. There are millions and millions of them in the world. Actually, you know a few (probably even in your own family). Only a minority of them are molesters though.

>>36835502
>If I were a pedophile, I'd become a monk and lead my life in the Himalayas.
No you wouldn't my hypocrite friend, you'd just repress it and live a normal life. There are millions and millions of pedophiles in the world who do just that, don't expect them to all become monks.

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Daily reminder that the age of consent should be for marriage and all fornication should be illegal.

>>36843000
>Daily reminder that the age of consent should be for marriage
Marriage is a legally binding contract which means you can't sign it until you're 18 (without parental consent) so okay :^)

I don't want to sound like a sicko, but sometimes I wonder what constitutes "abuse" . I mean if a little kid finds it fun to play with daddy's wee wee, and gets showered in gifts and attention to do so, it would see, to me that the kid would be pretty happy. Of the 150 kids "rescued" I wonder how many wish they could go back ?

>>36834630
Nice work
fuck pedos

>>36835648
>you think anyone at all disagrees with that?
Many "people" talk about torturing them for thoughtcrimes and laugh about it together because it's socially accepted and they are treated the same as actual baby rapists by the braindead animals in prison.

>>36835502
>Yeah, let's create a torture site aimed at torturing black men called "The Plantation"
Oh god this made me laugh so hard, not even trying to be edgy

>>36835666
Fitting trips, faggot. I'm back, I can't believe the thread is still up.

In child porn, children are hurt or abused. So yes, I'm against that.

>>36835702
There has to be a line somewhere.

>>36835700
Porn is porn.

>>36843111
The issue is not actually "consent" or "abuse", it's simply the sexual CORRUPTION of the kid, consent or not, abuse or not. Of course a kid can consent to drinking alcohol and suffer no actual abuse from that...but should it happen? Of course not, you fucking retard.

They should honestly just kill the pedos on sight.

There's no curing them.

>>36834809
>child porn existing doesn't encourage the creation of child porn
are you a fucking moron

>>36843249
They all are, dude. By their logic, nobody would make porn anymore because there's no money in it, but the fact is, there is money in it. Also, these sickos create the porn partially so they can have sex with children. It gives them organization and they have the ability to trap more children than if they were on their own.

>>36843238
You mean child molesters? They could be cured but should still instantly be killed.

If you want to kill people for thoughtcrimes though, you're a dangerous psychopath who should be put into a straitjacket, locked up in a cage and left to rot in an empty well.

>>36834809
Don't worry anon, the left is already starting to normalize pedophilia. Just give it time.

>>36843372
Sure thing, pedo.

You can keep saying that when the van pulls up for you.

>>36843396
I'm not a pedo. Why do you want to kill people for thoughtcrimes though, psycho?

>>36834809
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>>36843388
Im far left and I think pepole who view child porn should be thrown in jail for many decades and thats me being lenient

>>36843544
I think people who view child porn (obviously not cops doing it so they can throw these sick fucks in jail) should be brained in the head with a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire.

>>36838954
If you consume that type of content then you absolutely deserve to be thrown in prison and left to rot for the rest of your life. If you havent, then maybe I can have a little bit of sympathy for someone who would refuse to do such a thing but struggles with their desires. But people who view that content? No fuck that they dont even deserve to be alive or even call themselves human, they are NOT human. YOU ARE NOT A HUMAN BEING

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>>36843388
>The left

t. brainwashed rightwing useful idiot

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I think anyone who views porn with people under the age of 21 or with women who have less than a B cup should be thrown in executed after spending at least 30 years in pound town. Sick fucks, we should form militia groups and kill those fuckers. Disgusting little shits

>>36836630
>"But passive consumers of some content should never be a victim here."
Thats because they are NOT the victim. the victim is the CHILD ON THE SCREEN that you get off to.

I hope they find your peado ass and everyone in your life knows about you and you get put in jail sick freak!!!!!!

>>36843638
>21
kill yourself faggot, anything under 25 is definitely pedophilia. i hope i we'll meet one day so i can kill your disgusting manchild ass.

>>36843607
Deny it all you want cuckboy.

How are pedos not able to come to the logical conclusion as every non pedo in the world that a 5 year old kid being raped by Uncle Funtimez and filmed for it to be uploaded to the internet for other sick fucks to masturbate too is not abuse? It honestly boggles my mind how they can immediately dismiss all child porn with "well in my mind the kid consented there for it's okay"

>>36843638
this

I mean they're LOOKING at those PIXELS on their fucking computer SCREEN!

Fucking bastards, let's torture them all! We should start by beating the shit out them, then violently removing their nails, followed by breaking all their fingers and toes one by one, then skinning them, pouring boiling oil on their body, removing their limbs, then cut open their belly, remove their guts, make them eat them, then burn them alive!

I mean they fucking LOOKED with their fucking EYES!

Fuck!

>>36843778
You created a demand for cp when you and your kind look at it, pedo

>>36843794
I'm not a pedo you name-calling autismo psycho.

People should be arrested for producing and sharing that stuff but no one should suffer for LOOKING at something. Also, that demand will always exist no matter what because pedos will always exist, same for muslim terrorists. Am I supporting ISIS for LOOKING at the webms for free that are posted on /wsg/? Does LOOKING at those webms out of curiosity even make me an ISIS member or supporter? You're an irrational low IQ emotional imbecile.

>>36843794
>>36843890
I'd personally torture all child molesters on Earth, it wouldn't shock me at all and I'll actually have fun. But if there's one thing that I'll never accept is people being hurt for thoughtcrimes.

>>36843890
>supply and demand doesn't exist
>I'm not a pedo I swear I only defend them rabidly
>Child porn will always exist because me and my fellow kiddy diddlers will always exist so we shouldn't do anything about it
Neck yourself

>>36843937
>consuming illegal material is a thought crime

>>36843794
yes, the producers magically know when you are looking at a picture made 12 years ago and first uploaded 10 years ago and immediately go on to make more, because they have no free will and totally wouldn't do it if no one watched, right?
hey everyone! pedos don't molest children because of easy access to a child, lust and poor impulse control! they molest children because other people like watching their videos!
anon, have you tried writing an article to psychology monthly? this is nobel prize material right there.

>>36843951
>defend them rabidly
The people that I defend rabidly are whatever individuals that people would want to kill for thoughtcrimes.
>Child porn will always exist because me and my fellow kiddy diddlers will always exist so we shouldn't do anything about it
I never said this you dumb animal, I said that someone LOOKING at something doesn't "create demand". Did you "create demand" when you LOOKED at ISIS webms for free?
>Neck yourself
Take your own advice you dangerous psychopath.

>>36843985
>looking at a video of a woman being raped makes you a rapist who should be treated as a criminal

>>36844012
>hey everyone! pedos don't molest children because of easy access to a child, lust and poor impulse control! they molest children because other people like watching their videos!
What? They rape the kids because the reason reasons you listed, they upload the videos because people watch them.

Not all child rapists film themselves doing it, you know

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I think the opposite should be true too, the law is way too lenient on that. Anyone who looked or looks at porn while they were under 21 should be sent to prison for many many years or even be executed. Sex crazed lunatics are ruining society right before our eyes, and those sinners shall be punished harshly.

>>36844047
so you admit yourself, that banning viewing of child pornographjy would change literally nothing about the child abuse situation? way to defeat your own argument, anon.

>>36844091
That in no way relates to what I said. Banning something won't magically prevent it from being obtainable however it does allow persecution of those which allow or influence it to happen.

I wouldn't expect someone who thinks raping a child to be able to understand reasoning. Just being in this thread is probably causing blood to flow out of your head, if you need a 2 minute break to relieve yourself then I can't stop you

>>36844058
>I think the opposite should be true too, the law is way too lenient on that. Anyone who looked or looks at porn while they were under 21 should be sent to prison for many many years or even be executed. Sex crazed lunatics are ruining society right before our eyes, and those sinners shall be punished harshly.
This

I hope the people who actually support CP laws realize how fucking draconian they are

People are downright religious about this stuff, the demonozation of pedophiles is ridiculous

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>>36834809
CHILDREN CANNOT CONSENT

>>36834630
Well, this made my day a bit better, seeing some pedo scum go to prison. Enjoy being assrammed scum ;).

>>36844370
This. The only people who defend pedophiles are other pedophiles. Not a single normal person would shed a single tear over a pedoscum being killed.

>>36844451
But you can. Nobody but your therapist would even know (patient doctor confidentiality).

>>36844578
Only if you are planning on doing something, not if you just have the urge.

>>36844387
>The only people who defend child molesters are other/potential child molesters.
ftfy*

>>36844604
There are actually specific cases where the shrink is by law obligated to inform law institutions, and surprise surprise, the longing for child diddling is one of them.

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>>36844288
>>36843951
>>36843937
>>36844627
Yes we should also ban any sort of rapeplay or bdsm b/c the sick fucks who watch will eventually act on there impulses, I mean they're literally rapists

>>36844714
I actually support this, so jokes on you you sick fuck. Only sex for the purpose of procreation should be allowed.

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>>36844714
>>36834630

Also any gore or "rekt" material should be monitored and the whoever accesses it are sick closeted murderers who deserve life in prison

>>36844760
Oh shit, I looked at this picture you posted. Should I be killed? :'(

>>36844760
>>36844714

Alright, then you can lead the Pedophilia Coalition for Human Decency (lol) and sway society in order to make that as illegal as your fetish.

>>36844387
>This. The only people who defend pedophiles are other pedophiles. Not a single normal person would shed a single tear over a pedoscum being killed.
... And you don't see anything wrong with that?

How the fuck did so much vitriol grow in the hearts of the public about this?

You hate pedophiles who watch loli? You hate the 21 year old who saves pics of his 17 year old gf?

>>36844787
>Oh shit, I looked at this picture you posted. Should I be killed? :'(
Literally the currently mentality towards CP

It's ridiculous

>>36844830
>How the fuck did so much vitriol grow in the hearts of the public about this?

Because society evolved not wanting their offspring to be sexually abused.

>>36844863
Good point, I want that too.

What do you suggest?

I say we kill all obese men who watch anime. That seems like a logical conclusion to obscenity laws to me.

>>36844914
>I say we kill all obese men who watch anime. That seems like a logical conclusion to obscenity laws to me.
Okay. Call your local congressman and try to get that to be a law then

>>36844863
what is child brides

The real problem normies don't understand is that pedos are so hated by the public that government security agencies will pass more and more authoritarian measures and tactics under the guise of "protecting children". Because no one would attack such measures if its seen as defending pedophiles

>>36845059
>what is child brides
Irrelevant in modern countries and only lawless 3rd world shit holes have them. You're more than welcome to move there, enjoy islam

>>36845116
Sounds like you would love islams take on obscenity laws

>>36845139
And you'd love Islam's take on child pedophilia

>>36835863
Could you fuck dogs in Canada?

>>36845315
No, but dogs can fuck you. You'll still go to jail for fucking an animal, but if the animal fucks you (or you succ its dicc) then it's legal.
O Canada

>>36835986
Reality of piracy is that the person illegally watching the movie is 1.) Not buying a ticket but 2.) Being informed of the movie and may buy a ticket to its sequel or spread information about it to likeminded people who may or may not buy a ticket themselves.

Piracy does good and bad to the movie industry but for the fringe child pornographers it only does good. Pirated CP is like free samples from drug dealers.

>>36834630
Does anyone have the comic where the pedo is completely calm while the anti-pedo is batshit insane and irrationally angry?

>>36845471
>Does anyone have the comic where the pedo is completely calm while the anti-pedo is batshit insane and irrationally angry?
Sounds like this thread desu

>>36845672
The comic is ironic, while this is...something else.

>>36845699
>The comic is ironic, while this is...something else.
...not ironic?

Is the whole concept that maybe something is wrong with CP laws so bizzare to you, that you think even the discussion should be banned?

>>36845725
The only thing wrong with CP laws is that they don't permit us to brain the pedos who view them with a bat on national tv.

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>>36834630
>150,000 users
>500 Total arrests in the world
0.3% of users of the site have been arrested. 99.7% of people using the site have not been found out. Are they proud of those numbers?

>>36845807
Should they have done nothing instead?

>>36845807
They got the creator and lead admin at least, besides, a win is a win.

>>36845754
Thanks for your reply, what is your definition of pedo?

>>36845754
>wanting to kill people for viewing bad things
wew

>>36834630
are there more websites like those?

Former star of many cp vids here. I was raised by a pedophile and things escalated until I found myself in the hands of some people in LA (I'm sure it was small time for that town) who produced better quality than my father was making in our home vids. He still he had tapes when last I'd mey him. I've seen them.

I essentially relate to pedophiles as my own kind even though I'm not actually attracted to kids. I'm attracted to perverts and sociopaths who get off on knowing I was abused and putting me in that mindset so I can go back and they can hurt me.

I've always been curious to seek out cp for the same reason. To lose my mind and go back to what I've known. I miss my past.

>tfw no pervert to force me to watch my own cp while I cry and regress and he hurts me

Of all the degenerate excuses of human beings that lurk this board I still can't believe I share it with child fuckers. The amount of mental gymnastics I've seen come from pedos in this thread is astounding - you'd make tumbler blush

>>36834630
This happened literally months ago you dumb fucker, if 4chan was going to be affected is already has been.

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>>36846243
Probably, but I highly doubt any of the pedos in this thread are stupid enough to go around advertising it to anybody

>>36846265
I'm assuming you are referring to me as the pedo rather than someone with more than a passing interest in the law behind this?

Hi anon, I'm curious if you have read all my posts, and if so, what mental gymnastics you are referring to in my posts. Please explain what you mean. Thanks.

>>36846258
4/10 LARPing

ori

>>36846358
How am I supposed to know which posts are yours, one of the 94 posters in this thread of 284 posts. It's pretty telling what you are though seeing how I said "pedophile" and you immediately came to the defense of them.

>>36846402
You said "child fuckers". Why are you accusing this anon >>36846358 of being a "child fucker"?

>>36846425
So I said child fucker just randomly in a post referring to the overall thread and one person came forward specifically and got ass blasted about it?

Hmmmm.....

>>36846395
Do you think we don't grow up? Does this board not seem like somewhere I'd go after years of psychological issues and being nonfunctional as a person?

I have a nonstandard view on it all because I had and probably still have Stockholm syndrome. I hate myself and my life but that time in my life was the closest I've ever felt to being loved. I know how to exist in that world. Not this one.

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>>36846440
Why are you accusing people ITT of being "child fuckers"?
>ass blasted
Slanderously call me a child fucker irl in front of people and I'd make you look like pic related.

t. not even pedo

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>>36846402
All the posts with (You) next to the post number are mine :^)

But seriously though just the long ass ones it's pretty obvious

someone has to defend them. I don't want to live in a world where soccer moms make laws.

I don't want to live in a world where men are villanized for their sexuality - what happens if you go to a public park alone anon? Do you think parents there would feel comfortable?

Next they make porn illegal because men can't control their urges. This has already been done to some extent in various Western countries, see the UK.

Obscenity laws don't make sense. They don't protect anyone. They only serve to increase the surveillance state and allow the government to attempt to monitor and control the free Internet.

Censorship in all its forms needs to be dismantled. Let's stop pretending that people are not capable of separating media from action. The same argument for age limits on shooting games applies here - watching child porn does not make pedos mindless apes who roam the streets raping kids.

If we are to believe that people can be born homosexual, it is not too far of a logical leap to believe that people can be born pedophiles. These people need the help of society, not society's scorn and hatred.

>>36846589
>arrested for using inorganic matter to move some other's person inorganic matter around
WTF I hate laws and shit

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>arrested for thrusting organic matter into another set of organic matter

why even live

>>36846618
You're the reason why there's no secret clubs on the internet anymore.

>>36834809
>our legal system, which should not be based off morals - morality has no place in law.
in 11 years, this might be the stupidest sentence i have ever read on 4chan so good for you i guess

>>36834630
The solution to all of this is better 3d loli

>>36846618
Reported. Don't share this shit, you could mess up non-pedos' brains and ruin them and non-molesting pedos' lives.

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>>36846631
>No officer I didn't strangle him! I merely used my organic matter to move his organic matter around and it was his fault he stopped breathing

>>36846618
>http://gxamjbnu7uknahng.onion/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
whew

>>36846702
what is it? just curious and i sure aint clicking that shit nigga

>>36846631
>arrested for stealing a loaf of organic matter from the organic matter store

>>36843218

Could you explain what "sexual corruption" is?
How is it different from "abuse"/trauma?

>>36846770
I'll let you guess, pervert.

>>36846783
>I linked to a page that is known to contain links to cp in response to a post asking if there were more cp websites like the one OP talks about
>I-I-I-I d-d-didn't link to cp I swear on me mum!
Have fun in the pokey.

>>36847047
>I was more responding to the anon saying muh Sekret clubs
Do you also link your normie friends on facebook to /r9k/ too?

>>36847047
An anon made this post:
>>36846243
>are there more websites like those?

to which you responded with "Yes" followed by a .onion link containing links to CP websites.

There's no way around this, have fun in the pokey.

>>36847134
>claims to be ironic
>provides links to newfaggot normies lurking on thread to an onion site

>>36846649
Many people much more intelligent and eloquent than I am have written about that exact subject, I encourage you to do your research.

let's say the law for obscenity originated in Puritan America, where showing anything above the ankle in public was considered "obscene".

Let's say that the state is filled with these puritans while the constituents of the nation are a diverse group including native Americans and Jews.

If the puritans attempted to legislate the moral code of their culture on that of the Jews, then some aspects of Jewish culture which may have been fine for centuries may now be illegal. If the native Americans are accustomed to walking around almost nude and the puritans are accustomed to walk around in long aprons, then the law, if based off the moral code of the puritans, would disproportionately affect the other groups.

Attempting to legislate morality is a fool's game - every individual will have a different opinion on what is and isn't ok, and every culture will additionally have varying opinions on what is or isn't ok. You may think this is fairly obvious stuff - don't kill, steal, etc, things every culture can agree on.

But what about stuff like eating dogs? What do you think about that?

What about throwing undesired children off a cliff, as the Spartans are said to have done?

Abortion? Use of drugs? Conduct of men around children? Women's conduct in public?

The aim of the legal system should not be to enforce the moral code of some group on the people of the nation, it should be to allow people to live as freely and productively as possible. The purpose of law is to PRESERVE moral agency - so that you can freely act as you want within your moral code.

This doesn't mean that everyone will be protected. Circumcision may have horrible effects on a child, anti vaxxers may cause their child irrepairable harm.
You can't impel the rich to feed the poor.

The aim of law is maximize individual freedom, nothing more.

>>36847178
Which laws would you put into place, change (how) and remove?

>>36847178
You missed his entire point. You said "morality has no place in law" when the very reason laws exist is solely because of morality.

>>36847250
You distributed child pornography, you're going to jail brah.

>>36847250
the cops are on their way

ori

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>thinking that getting rid of pedos will fix 4chan
>not realizing that normies are a hundred times worst

>>36847178
Yeah well most people in our culture believe cp is immoral. So your argument of "nuhuh we don't ALL agree" doesn't matter. You'll be crushed by the righteous majority.

>>36847322
Most child molesters are normies.

reelee meccs yoo fink

>>36847250
>4chan stopped being a secret club
>let me ruin all other secret clubs on the internet

>>36834630
Finally some good news today. Really wish they'd shoot them after their trial to save money. There's no reforming those sick pedo fucks

>>36834809
the thing is, you're encouraging masturbating to children and once that isn't enough they will start fucking kids

>>36842853
actually stuff like that happens a lot. lot's of gay religious people become priests because if you're a priest you're not allowed to be married anyways.

>>36835436 #
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>>36834809 #
Familia, I hear and largely agree with what you are saying. However, if I'm not mistaken, Playpen required users upload content before they could access the site to prove/incriminate themselves. Pretty sure they also required regular contribution for continued access.

There was another Anon who pointed out that piracy is considered a detrimental attack on the film industry and stealing from artists, yet downloading cp is considered fueling and supporting their creators.

The problem is these communities have been forced to resort to initiation processes like Playpen's, which force otherwise harmless individuals into becoming rapists, abusers, and criminals.

>>36847999
>lot's of gay religious people become priests
...and then they are responsible for over 90% of the sexual abuse.