have you ever *seriously* considered suicide robots? By that

yes

I am looking up various ways to end it. It seems jumping off a building works given that height is tall enough. There's a 6 story parking lot structure nearby that might work. I don't know how much it will hurt or if I'll survive it so I'm a little concerned.

I would prefer ending it with pills. I would need to procure to barbiturates or painkillers.

Why do you sound so bitter? Is it just this place?

has anyone ever drawn one of those but, points up against the base of the chin?

>>36814919
i did have the urge to stab myself in the chest with a kitchen knife a couple of times

>>36814989

Was it a suicidal thought or an intrusive thought

>>36815034
the original former

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Yes but it's different for me.
I had a very "mentally hard" childhood. I say that because it was actually normal/good when I look back at it_ but at the time I perceived everything negatively and was in a fucked up state of mind. I remember constantly contemplating suicide at the age of 10-13 but I wouldn't do it because I loved my parents too much. I would even have nightmares about them finding me dead and I would wake up crying.

Now I'm still not a "happy person". Probably because of my childhood. But at least I'm not suicidal anymore.. For now.

>>36814957

normies get the fuck out

leoriginalmoot

>>36814919
Yeah. I did the pill meme suicide. I ate a whole bottle of Tylenol. I was in excruciating pain and regret. I fucked up my liver but not to the point of dialysis. I was 17 at the time. I'm 25 now and I regret it.

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>>36814919
Was planning to slice my carotid artery. Apparently your brain cuts off consciousness after 6 seconds.

>>36814919
I attempted it once. Started my car in the garage and revved it for a solid 20 minutes. My vision started getting black, I was literally sitting in my car closing my eyes, knowing if I just sleep now it'll all be over.
But something made me slam the door opener (it's electric) and I crawled onto the driveway and passed out right there untill morning.
To this day I wish I had done it.

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Originally considered sourcing nembutal online, but it seems to risky. After some research, I've decided that long-drop hanging would be the way to go. Tried and true method with simple materials, swift execution time and tables from the brits on how high to set the drop.

Just waiting for life to get to the point where I want to do it more than I want to do nothing.

>?th for CO2 poisoning in a tent
Was going to do it, but considering all things, I'm not too far gone just yet.

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>>36814919
I already have my suicide plan set. I will execute it soon enough, just need to convince my brain to do it.

Ate a bottle of T1's just slept for a day. Wish it was forever

When I was 16 I took a day's worth of my autistic brothers medication, because I just assumed I'd OD. I was high all the next day and nothing bothered me.

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if youve ever had sex before and you commit suicide you deserve it

i have no compassion for you

i see all these normy women who commit suicide after getting off the phone with their BOYFRIEND LOOOOOOOOOOL

they have a boyfriend and they commit suicide?

good. lol.

some people dont ever get sex and love in this world

those people have the right to do it

>>36814944
I'd be careful. One guy fell on a little girl that broke his fall. Make sure there are no trees, no people, and all that.

Of course I don't want you to do it, but if you do, be considerate

> Attempted suicide three years ago via Helium/exit bag
> Fucked up, now have slight brain damage

I'll probably do it some other time. I need to find a non-diluted tank of inert gas, clean my room, sell my possessions so my mom will have some extra money for rent, and find a peaceful, remote place to do it.

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>>36817401
ive thought about kms

but NEVER about jumping off a building

because that is just fucking DISGUSTING

having your shit splatter all over the place

that shit would hurt and if you lived you would be on hell on earth

and its just brutal

dont tell someone to do that

>>36814919
There isn't much of a plan

>take .38
>put in mouth
>pull trigger

>>36817389
You overblow sex. It doesn't end all suicidal thoughts and fix the world around you

>>36817313
Have you ever been around co2? It burns horribly. My first time checking on my wine bucket took my breath away and singed a few nose hairs. Fucking a toaster is probably a less painful way to go. Give it a try, open a bottle of coke so the gas goes in a balloon and take a nice whiff.

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>>36817449
no normy, if youve had sex then you can go fuck yourself

your suicidal bullshit it means nothing because you had sex

omggg what did your 8th girlfriend cheat on you? poor you.

>>36817435
Not telling them TO DO IT.

Just to be considerate

>>36817462
I'm just saying. Fucked up stuff can happen to someone even if they aren't a virgin. You're insanely egocentric. Because only your problems are the real problems and anyone who has different problems is a normie reeeee

>>36817462
I think you have some serious problems with yourself

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>>36817480
no youve had sex so nothing really matters anymore you can die and be happy

some people never experience sex and love in this world

those people deserve sympathy when they go out

you guys dont

your "problems" are having your 20th girlfriend get in an argument

>>36817451
CO2 isn't supposed to singe anything though. You sure it was CO2?

>>36817494
So you think, if you were to have sex, you would never feel suicidal again? Pay a hooker...

>>36817519

Doesn't count if you need to pay for it.

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>>36817519
i would be completely content if i just had sex

but it would have to be with a girlfriend who likes you / loves you to an extent at that time

because a hooker is not the same they dont give a shit about you so it might as well be a jack off

but it would improve my life by 10% of what i would need i think just to fuck a prostitute i think

it would help a little

>>36817494


Literally a virgin, but I'm not all bitter about it because there are other issues and other things going on in life.


You're obsessed with sex, and it is kind of sad how you let your virginity run your life

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>>36817545
sex is all around us
its everywhere and i cant escape it its 90% of the shit on the internet

wtf do you expect me to do and not go completely fucking nuts over this shit?

r u kidding me

thats not the world we live in unfortunately

>>36817389
>>36817462
You're a fucking idiot. I'm a virgin and even I can smell your retardation from here. Bitter fucking dumbass. Has to be bait, nobody can be this retarded. I'll be killing myself soon and even the thought of you existing makes me fucking sick.

>>36817495

Very sure, I've been greeted by H2S before but never in large amounts. CO doesn't burn, but CO2 quickly forms H2CO3 when it hits your nice and bloody mucous membranes causing pain. Both are easy to form though. For CO2 you can get a large trash can, some sugars, and a pound of yeast. In a closed room it should produce a lethal amount, it's heavier than atmospheric air. Molasses takes off quickly because of how nutrient rich it is. A box full of dry ice works similarly but if you fail you aren't left with anything to try alcohol poisoning with. For CO you could burn charcoal or gas in a closed room. If you like SO2 you could buy a thing of nitrous from the auto shop. You'd probably pass out before noticing how nasty the stuff is. N2 is another easy one, just 'accidentally' knock over a dewar of liquid nitrogen.

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>>36817431
>> Fucked up, now have slight brain damage

Kek, same here. The cable i used unknotted itself. Since my failed an hero attempt, i've lost my balance, my reflexes are slower, speech is fucked, feel some weird pressure and pain in the head from time to time, especially if i stay awake for too long. Hopefully next time i will be successful.

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can we get a legit painless method up in here

no helium bullshit thats too retarded

>>36817905
The helium method works, though.

>>36814919
Yep. Left home at 3 am. Climbed up to a hill with a view. I live in California so duct taped 3 plastic bags over my head. Ripped the bag off when I was starting to black out. Now I have claustrophobia. If you're gonna do it, do it properly with a gun.

>>36817905

Helium method but with xenon. Argon maybe but that doesn't sound as cool.

Anyone who had not seriously considered or attempted suicide do not belong on this board.

>>36814944
Knife through the heart is best. Guaranteed death, wont hurt others and pills could leave you alive, suffering and even seizing for up to 4 hours.

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>>36817925
i live with my mom

hey hey why you ordering helium tanks

btw , i wouldnt do this method if i lived alone either

i dont want brain damage or some shit

i just ask god to kill me in my sleep every night

the pussiest way in the world , cuz i dont wanna actually do it myself

>>36817986
The helium method is relatively simple and easy to do. You just need the right parts.

dont help our boy tinny kill himself


tinny seek professional help

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EUTHANASIA LEGALISED FUCKING WHEN
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>36818013
i said FUCK the helium method

i dont wanna do that

NEXT OPTION.........

i wish there was a legal way to blow my head off with a shotgun t,bh


>>36818053
word.

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i mean for someone else to blow my head off with a shotgun

( i cant afford a gun)))))) also id be too scared to miss my brain or something

>>36814919
Yes. Butyrfentanyl overdose, insufflated, before going to bed. Precisely the ld50, no insane amounts. Just go to bed like usual and never wake up. Feeling better now though, never ordered anything.

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>>36818030
i dont want professional help

been there done that

i CANT be helped

my ship has sailed

im at the post ironic meta

killing myself, or or or or ,, basically,,,, rotting to death

i tied and hanged a noose yesterday, made a suicide note, but i pussied out

>>36814919
The first time I actually had a plan in place and the tools to die, I realized that I didn't really want to.
Changed the equation, but was useful to know.

how the fuck do you miss your brain using a shotgun

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>>36818182
maybe youre right

but still if i ever had a shot gun i would probably

idk

i would still rather have an authorized legit euthanasia place

or have god kill me in my sleep

you know????????

Id rather not be tormented all the rest of the days of my life by not having a girlfriend to share mutual love and sex with

>>36818072
tinny just man up

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actually you know what would be a damn sweet way to die???

if someone hijacked the plane you were on and fly it into the ground or a building

i imagine that would be quite painless and pretty much out of your hands... LOL

you know???

>>36818253
do it for me plssss

>>36818056
Nembutal is legitimately painless. You just drink it and you literally fall asleep and brain activity ceases and the entire body just stops functioning. Mexico, Peru and Thailand sell Nembutal off the counter with no need for prescription. Peru is the easiest one to get it, according to the Peaceful Pill Handbook, they don't give a fuck for what you're going to use it.

Second option, hanging. Put the knot on the left side of the head, you will faint in 3 seconds and the rest of the process is automatic, you just need 15 minutes so the process can be completed to achieve eternal peace.

American option, gunshot at the brain stem. Instantaneous, very practical and easy to do.

tinny please dont do it! you have so much to live for, so many things to--PPFFTTHAHAHAH almost made it through with a straight face

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>>36818274
im not that stupid it might be krokodil and it might rot my arms off

>>36818291
lol you made me laugh a little

thanks for the loving support

ur really improving my outlook on life

>>36817835
this guy is full of shit if it isn't obvious
h2co3 is soda water fwiw

>>36818340
No, no. You drink the Nembutal. It's not injected.

It's the drug used by that Swiss euthanasia company.

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>>36818384
>Swiss euthanasia company.

well sign me up there then

wtf i aint buyin it from some shady ass peru CVS

BOOK ME A PLANE TICKET NOW

IM sure lots of neets on r9k want to come too

It's the only thing I've seriously considered doing with my life. Decapitation by train.

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>>36818427
>Decapitation by train.

you cant be human if you seriously thought about doing it in this method

that shit is gruesome

>>36818351
not that guy but yeah, h2co3 is the aqueous dissolved form of co2 since it coordinates with a molecule of water. it's relatively acidic. doubt it causes 'pain in your blood' even at increased levels but who knows. breathing concentrated co2 is pretty harsh on your throat and lungs though.

>>36817964
Knifing oneself is hard. I would've by now by my innate disdain for pain has kept me from inflicting injuries upon myself.

Personally, I'd go for the building jumping personally. I just don't have anything above 2-3 stories near me. So my next plan is to steal a car and ram a tree or wall or drink radiator fluid. I'm genuinely curious if I'll be able to take it because my taste buds are dull as fucking shit. I just taste metal and cardboard most of the time.

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the only thing that torments by brain that causes me to want to kms is the thought of other normies having sex rn and the girl is like loving this other guy

and they are sharing that moment together and it means something to them

and im left out of that and ill never have that

LOL

BSHHHHHHHHHH shot gun to my brain

im an american btw i can do that if i ever get access to a shotgun

probably wont ever

also how the fuck are you supposed to hold it up to ur head the trigger i cant reach that if its aimed at the back of my head

>>36818472
It's not that gruesome, but I don't care how gruesome it is. I just want it done and decapitation by train is the only viable option for me.

>>36818351

I gave you an easy method to test it. Inhale some CO2 and try saying it doesn't burn.

>>36818476

Correct, carbonic acid is another term for it. The pain is more in the mucous membranes though, I don't know that the blood vessels would send much pain that way. It's one of those things you never forget. Kind of like shocking yourself when fucking with a power outlet. It's a very distinct kind of pain.

I wish killing yourself was easier, if I had access to guns I would have done it years ago.

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>>36818575
ur not human dude

idk how anyone could lay their head in front of a train that is fucking horrifying

just do some kind of overdose on heroin on purpose

lol that might work, think about it , you might feel really raelly good and then die

>>36818687
word its kind of technically hard and theres all kinds of problems

i wish i could press a button to kill myself

or have a authorized legit euthanasia at a place

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>>36816179
>to the point where I want to do it more than I want to do nothing.

I'm going to attempt nicotine poisoning, have made tea with 100g of tobacco leaves, should do the trick, even more effective bc I'm a non-smoker.

>>36818687
maybe, see >>36818120

>>36818705
Living everyday knowing there are people out there that can take your thoughts right out of your head and manipulate your reality to how they want is even more horrifying. I can't live a life being afraid of everyone.
Heroin costs money, which I do not have. a train is free

>>36818795
Nope, I've made up my mind completely, there's no other way out.

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>>36818796
>Living everyday knowing there are people out there that can take your thoughts right out of your head and manipulate your reality to how they want is even more horrifying

i dont understand what you just said exactly

sorry about that

but ummmm


>Heroin costs money, which I do not have. a train is free

im in that same boat i dont have any money at all

>a train is free

a train is fucking disgusting nasty way to kill urself like jumping off a building

............ seriously just shoot urself in the head at that point

like i would rather persist and be miserable than put my head on a train thing

ewwwwwwwwwwwww

thats the reason why im still alive those suicide methods are fucking sick

i just want a easy way out

i already gave myself diabetes from eating food and drinking soda to a suicidal degree (24/7 bloated to my stomach)

now my life is artificially difficult with 5 shots a day of insulin

>>36818869
why do you type like a retard? also those gooks are ugly

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>>36818905
its just one gook her name is jessica jung she used to be in snsd but she got kicked out

i have a supernatural connection to her

when she got kicked out of snsd is the day i first got kicked out of my house by my parents and i was homeless


not that anyone gives a fuck

>>36818997
shes ghostly pale, looks like a dead mannequin

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also i was avatarfagging with her for years before that on a board called sc2 general on /vg/

its actually the best quality place ive ever been to in all of the internet , it created every meme, no place has ever been that good

but its kind of dying now because janitors ruthlessly banning people

>>36818818
that's the kind of confidence you'll need to succeed but I wouldn't count on it

>>36814919
>me about 12-13yo
>another bad day at school bullies
>after coming home dad says he's going for cigarettes
>watch him from the window driving off
>take a big kitchen knife and just cry, shaking and trying to force myself to cut the veins
>Didn't do it bc I was too scared of the pain

That's he closest I ever got and damn I wish I actually did it then.

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>>36814919
You can't be called a robot if you don't experience extreme suicidal thoughts on a daily basis.

>>36818765
anyone know if this will be painful, hoping I could just slip into a coma without feeling too much stomach pain.

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>>36819116
word

>>36819127
tfw i wish i could slip away into a nice haze with a suicide tea

gl on ur journeys i have no idea

>>36819152
just sell your stuff and get some heroin bro
oding on heroin is easy as hell and you can probably afford it if you sell your phone or computer or bed or shit

>>36819335
how tf do you find heroin, you would probably get stabbed by junkies before getting your hands on any.

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>>36819335
ok but what are the complications if you semi - overdose

brain damage again?

if i ever get my hands on some money its either a shotgun or that

(if im in for some suicide that is, instead of miserable persistance)

>>36819394
just find a local dealer and give him some cash for it
you won't be stabbed if you're just looking to buy at least not in my city

if you don't know any dealers then ask some potheads for their dealer and if he doesn't have the good stuff ask him if he knows who has it

>>36819430
heroin is extremely lethal in very small doses so not dying is rarely a problem but it kills you by shutting off oxygen supply so brain damage is definitely on the table

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>>36819481
maybe ill have to do a heroin overdose and then immediately a shotgun to my face

in case i miss so i can dull the pain and have a fallback

jk how do you hold the shotgun to the back of ur head tho im still wondering how tf do u do that shit

Yes tried with bipolar meds pills but survived. Passed out 3 times outside in public just called 911 instead.
I failed at killing myself

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>>36819796
worst decision ever probably cuz u winded up in the mental hospital no?

nothing worse than that

i did at one point but it just slowly faded away into acceptance, now i just get on with shit but internally i feel indifferent towards most things. maybe jew pills actually worked, maybe i just grew out of my edgy teen phase, who knows

Yeah i had planned to hang myself while my grandparents were on holiday. For the first time in what felt like forever i felt at peace, knowing there was a definite end in sight. I bought the rope and set everything up but once i had the rope around my neck i realised thinking about it and doing it at wildly different things and i though about my grandparents coming home from holiday and finding me and i couldnt go through with it.

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>>36820031
>now i just get on with shit

so you found a girlfriend and you have a job and your life is all peacchy

well if you inform me of that, you make me want to kill myself 10x more

so hows fucking your girlfriend every night?

*hold up the gun to my head*

Why would you try it with CO2 and not CO instead? CO2 is acidic, and along with the physiological response of not being able to breath, is what makes strangulation so unpleasant.

CO though, has been nicknamed the silent killer. No smell, no taste, no CO2 buildup, still able to breath, bonds to haemoglobin more easily than oxygen. Death by hypoxia.

You can make it easily by burning charcoal in an enclosed space (indoors), or mixing powdered CaCO3 + Zn. Or for a more effective method, exit bag + nitrogen cylinder. Helium often comes in a diluted form because normies would inhale it at parties and accidentally hurt themselves.

>>36814919
>By that I mean you had a full thought out plan that you wanted to excuse.

Nope, I would rather become a massive parasite and burden/inconvenience to everyone I know than take the easy way out. I didn't ask to get put on this planet, but I might as well waste and squander as many resources as possible while I'm here

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>>36820081
>and i though about my grandparents coming home from holiday and finding me

why are people such faggots lol

the last thing i think about when i think about offing myself is what someone else would think about it in my family

i seriously dont give a FUCK about that, it doesnt come into my thought process at all because my family betrayed me and i hate them

in fact my parents finding me dead and i would be glad to scar them for life that they helped cause it

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(if they even cared lol)

i doubt it i bet they would not give a shit after pretending to care for a few days

>>36820093
is this meant to be ironic? the only thing that's really changed is that i went through a drug problem phase, other than that i still don't have a gf or any friends really. idk what exactly clicked but i just don't waste as much time feeling sad about things anymore, no point feeling bad if you can avoid it

>>36820162
Well because not everyone hates their family?

>>36818274
>Second option, hanging. Put the knot on the left side of the head, you will faint in 3 seconds

wtf
I tried "suspension hanging" before and I just hanged there for like 20-30 seconds without losing consciousness.

never really thought about it until my life brought me to have enough xanax and dope that I could die at just any minute I want. I think about it but I've never been suicidal

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>>36820216
oh ok so the drugs have just kind of mellowed you out

understandable

im happy you said that

because whenever someone takes the happy pills and then says oh look at me im now on top of the world and i have a girlfriend and im highly succesful with my job

THIS is what makes ME want to kill myself

that type of thing

>>36820270
apparantly lol

>>36820272
What knot did you use?

Ask someone to do a naked rear choke on you. That's the faintness that you will feel if done properly.

>>36820304
like i said idk if it was the drugs or SSRI shit or whatever, either way i haven't taken any stuff like that in months

you probably get this a lot but from experience most of the times you feel bad it is literally just in your head. it's fine on the internet but all whining and complaining does irl is annoy people so it's really not worth it

>>36820304
are you the gookposter from the sft?

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>>36820389
by drugs i meant the SSRI...

i didnt mean the recreational drugs you were taking

________

word is it just in my head but my head seems to care a lot about having a gf who loves you and has sex with you

my head could just as easily not give a fuck about this stuff

but it wants that and not being able to have it causes great torment

>>36820422
whats the sft

>>36820358

It was a slip knot.

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I had a plan

it's pretty foolproof I think

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>>36820473
>that image in the article

>>36820438
Wow, you must have a pretty strong neck. I blacked out as soon i jumped, then again i was drunk.

>>36820437
lol after a few months my prescription ran out and i just didn't see the point in going back to the doctor anymore, just quit after that

eh i guess but when you think about it would that really benefit you in the long term. it seems most people are just in love with the idea of being in love, i used to be hung up on that too but when i seriously thought about it there wasn't a huge amount that would change

not sure if you've heard of the hedonic treadmill but it's a neat idea, basically the theory is that people have like a base level of happiness and no matter what happens in the short term, long term things always go back to that. doesn't matter if you're doing great or doing terribly right now, eventually you'll just get on with your life again because that's what people do

I would commit suicide, but I'm worried that if I do, then I'll be punished in the afterlife for it, either by getting sent to hell, or by being reincarnated as an even bigger robot than I am now.

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>>36820560
no im kinda stuck as a perma virgin for various reasons

so i dont see myself ever having a girlfriend it might not be possible

so that kind of fucks with me a lot

i cant really get over it

for me something would change if i had a girlfriend i would either be happy with that

or i would figure out that its not something i want

but right now its saying im fucked and ill never get a gf and its the only thing that matters and it making me mental

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How does a bottle of 500mg Aspirin w/ 100 tablets sound? + a plastic bag taped to your face afterwards?

>>36820778
I had a friend who did this, downed an entire bottle of Tylenol or some other OTC pills

He lived

>>36820778
poe theorem.
this is great if you don't want to die but do want to throw up, get non-lethal but quality of life ruining illnesses from fucking your liver and inspire sudden attention from your family regardless of previous levels, who will then help involuntarily check you into a mental institution.

>>36819127

I imagine you would get very nauseated and then slip into a fatal arrhythmia. It's not a way I would recommend. I get 10% nicotine to make pesticides with and just a drop on my skin feel terrible. Now I use nitrile gloves when mixing.

>>36820778

Aspirin is usually 81 or 325mg. Are you sure it's aspirin? If you want easily accesible methods rope or gas is your best bet. I don't know of any OTC drugs that make for an ideal transition. Oral administration can be unreliable so if you use drugs inhalation, rectal, or intravenous are better routes.

I'll be using one of my father's guns to kill myself most likely but I don't want him to bear the guilt of me having used one of his personal devices to commit the deed. Is that a thing that people who commit suicide via this method should worry about?

>>36821010

When my cousin stole a gun and ran away the sheriff confiscated it. It was a bitch to get back, and missing two magazines when they finally returned it. It most likely would weigh on him, so why not get your own? An old shotgun is going to be under $300 even at a pawn shop.

>>36821077
I'm onIy 19.

>>36820473

How do they know it was 42 times exactly, and that he began at 12:00 exactly?

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>>36821106
>I'm only a legal adult.

>>36821106
And...?
Long guns are legal pretty much everywhere over 18. You can get a shotgun at many walmarts for ~$225.

Also, don't do it bro. If you mess it up you'll feel like a way bigger faggot.

Stand on a rooftop when i was 17, i believe i died then

went to close psychatry afterwards for a while and now im just barely existing while going to uni

Honestly, the only reason I'm still alive is because my fucking family is always around me like I'm on suicide watch what the fuck

>>36814919
I've attempted it a few times.

>>36821217
If you're not implying that that extends to all methods of suicide altogether, then what's a more preferable alternative?

>>36821208
Thought it was the same as handgun laws.

>>36820949
do you think just placing my hand in the tea would work or would I have to drink substantial amounts of it?

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Yes, it was my first and only attempt at it. I was stupid and thought that the OD meme would actually work.
Took a huge amount of anti-psychotics, downed it with vodka and self harmed a bit before passing out prematurely. Woke up few hours later feeling like the absolute worst. Puking and barely having the energy to move.
The next morning my floors were covered in puke and blood and I felt 100% dead inside for a few weeks.
Dumbest shit I have ever done. Only looked into it after the fact to find out that overdosing is a very unreliable way to go.

Planned on driving far into the woods and spitting my neck.
Got saved at the last minute.

Some days I regret not carrying it out.

>>36821447
Anon, not only would nicotine be unreliable as fuck, but dying from it would be extremely painful.

>>36821590
yeah but I'm desperate and already have heart issues so it should work

>>36821447

I'm not sure. It just doesn't sound like a very effective plan and would feel very unpleasant.

>https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/457102/Ecigarettes_an_evidence_update_A_report_commissioned_by_Public_Health_England_FINAL.pdf
Show a person survived a 1.5g dose orally but 4g orally was lethal in one report and another showed an injected dose of unkown amount was lethal.

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880486/
Shows a person survived a 4g dose. You'd probably vomit the tea, but an enema might would work, though it can give you the shits too which makes rectal administration tricky.

I think nicotine is kind of like caffeine as far as suicide goes. It can be lethal but it takes a lot, is not a peaceful way to go, and likelihood of success is on the low end.